I'd wager most people don't ever give it a second thought apart from what they see on screen. Not that they get the chance to think about the information they're practically force fed anyway.

Well, they look cool actually. Fucking Hollywood that made armor a joke

well on TV the protagonist can always just slice right through plate armour with ease, so yeah.

@@sweetsour6783 Netflix's The King (movie) does a pretty fantastic job showing what fighting in armor was like.

@@haloslayernoob Not fantastic but they got the right idea. Its still adjusted for drama and overplays certain factors like the extreme fatigue that kicks in way to fast.

thats modern steel and materials and technique we use and developed and improved. As for middle ages crossbows were banned by Pope for being too lethal and amateur pleb could potentialy kill noble/king and person with wealth enough to wear such armor. Materials degrade and get rusty just because you can me stainless steal with low inperfections now well I dont have to repeat myself.

@@MrSaintVehementus Modern steel? Waht do you think crossbow bolts are made from. That armor wasn't even tempered.

@@MrSaintVehementus do you even watch the video jeez, he literally explain it in the beginning

@@MrSaintVehementus looool really the Pop had to ban them? Was the first nerf in history... So the war up until that moment was pay to win lol WHAT A BIASS

@@starscreamsdkfz475 NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DESECRATE OUR CHIVALRY SYSTEM THAT TAKES DECADES OF TRAINING AND A FORTUNE IN EQUIPMENT. ha ha crossbow spam goes twang

My thoughts exactly.

ChristophInns exactly.

There's this misconception that crossbows or arrows pierce through the plate. That's not really true. In reality arrows were used en masse to try and hit the sensitive spots. Like they said in Lord of the Rings: the neck or under the arms. It's also worth mentioning that a knight probably won't be hit with a single arrow, but dozens. See the holes that guy puts in the armor? Those don't get fixed during the battle. The holes stay, and if another arrow (out of the hundreds being fired) hits or ricochets into that hole it could do some serious damage. It's more about the collective damage over the course of the battle, rather than just one or two arrows piercing straight through the metal plate. The horse was also an easy target, as if it was hit with just a single arrow it was likely to freak out and flee, because horses aren't dumb and don't want to die. The main problems with full plated armor were the quick exhaustion from the knights and the lack of mobility. Sure, you can hop around and run for a little while in armor. You can see videos of it on youtube of people doing cartwheels, sprinting, and jumping wearing a full suit. However, you would get tired pretty fast. Imagine a battle going on for HOURS and you're swinging a heavy sword with 50+ lbs of metal on. Knights would get tired pretty quickly. It's also worth mentioning that it was far more practical to just beat the shit out of a knight with a heavy blade or mace. To basically bludgeon them, or break their bones under the armor rather than pierce it. This was normally done on the arms and legs, where there were multiple small plates for mobility, rather than a giant single piece of steel to protect the organs. TL:DR - Most of the time you aim for the legs, arms, and neck, not chest. You would also have better luck trying to break bones than pierce.

​@@whatever3132 If there are several archers, it's also fair to assume that there are other knights as well. And remember that this is in close range so the damages to the armour is maximized even though, quite frankly, some of them barely did anything. Besides, even with the holes, those aren't easy to exploit, much less target.

​@@9308323 Maybe, but armies kept using archers, so they obviously worked. We can only really speculate, as the histories only record winners and movements of armies, not the specific minutiae of how each knight individually fell.

*an arrow penetrates 7 layers of ateel*

Splash damage

On the medieval battlefield archers would have used tips on that arrows designed to penetrate armor. They wouldn't have used standard hunting tips

The quality of metal would be much worse too. German steel was far superior to Japanese steel even in WW2 due to difference of smelting and forging. Go back 800 years using ancient metalwork techniques. If I can shoot bullet head arrow tips through sheet metal with a 50 lb hunting bow, you can bet your ass that an 120lb war bow or 960lb crossbow could penetrate armor. Would it happen all the time? Probably not. Was it possible, especially en masse? Definitely. And while the hits look like they 'bounce' go put on a Kevlar vest and have someone shoot you with a handgun. You will absolutely feel the concussive force and have bruising. You wouldn't just shrug off hits like nothing. Even if you looked okay on the surface.

@@HauntingSpectre yup, plus as skal said the armor thickness tended to vary across the armor since they didnt have nice uniform rolled steel to work with meaning that the wearer might be ok against a single heavy crossbowman, several of them firing constantly would likely find a weak point fairly quick.

Poor guy, he's already too poor to afford proper armor then he gets cut down in a fight. A minute of silence for the unfortunate fella.

Full papier maché plate armor

Hell, actual papier mache armor would probably be sturdier than Hollywood Plate...

@JasonBombzero Don't quote me on this, but if I recall correctly, a method similar to that was used. Paper Armor was used here-and-there by some Eastern cultures. Surprisingly effective, too.

Jolly Jester, myth buster had tested paper armor, it works really well (for short time).

Shoot him with a ballista and hes dead!

Makes me wonder how strong the English longbowmen needs to be to kill a fully armored French knight at Agincourt.

Asmin Siza actually it is one of the battle with the most prisoners, and the Knights that were wounded were mostly wounded to the face because for some reason (better seeing or breathing) they opened up their visors. (Sorry if my English is not totally accurate, I am French.)

well the bow draw weight that used by english longbowmen would be at least 120-150lb, and with that kind of value you got a bow that still surprass 350lb crossbow since crossbow is not that efficient in mechanical energy transfer. To efficiently kill fully armoured knight you just simply tire them and using manuver aka you have less armor. Now some english longbow have the draw weight of 180lb, which comparable to 1000lb crossbow (again due to effient mechanical energy transfer generally of a bow, beside the longer limb) Or you know, you could just goin with classic method that worked since the invention of stirrup; lance charge through the heart ;)

umm... No. They are as mobile as you-- More, in fact, if you wear chainmail. The weight is distributed evenly over the body, so a full plate armor will not tire you. Other then the helmet, in fact, there's very little that makes movement difficult (I say the helmet because it does get hot underneath) and in most cases, the knight you are referencing is usually more fit then you are.

Maxajax hahahahaha, fuck the rhodoks, seriously

Rhodoks>khergs,sultanate

Those motherfuckers are impossibly overpowered.

Praise be the butterlord

Where is your king/sultan now?

@@holywatermuffin7772 just lower your head and keep your arms adjusted to your torso

@@ComradeHellas or just use a fucking shield dude 😭

@@skndr1964 shields were not frequently used by european infantry, they used 3/4 plate armour which was more than enough to stop any crossbow bolt as we can see

From this distance - who will hit next will be the man with the sword

Less talking, more raiding!

thas a nice head you have in ur shoulders

The King of butter lives!

butter

Bannerlord is out 31 of this month, if you're interested

Also a question is would a Rhodokian give any fucks ever about Vaegir archer spam?! I think not!

Depends on how vile the beggar is.

I was thinking about Byzantines with the lamellar upgrade against venetian crossbowmen but ok

The Answer; *Yes!*

Border Bread it gets worse when it's almost harvesting season

I mean the japanese made paper armor

Or paper is as effective as armour. Watch two crazy Finns make body armour out of toilet paper AND IT WORKS: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hqeUh6B5aZumpJc.html

Layers of paper can make quite good armour against sharp objects. If the 'grain' of the paper is alternated to provide bidirectional strength it works even better. If you make plates of paper armour using starch/glue (papier mache), it can be incredibly strong. I made some 'armour plates' from 32 layers of cheap printer paper and PVA glue, compressed the plates using a few heavy books and when they were dry, they stopped determined thrusts from some seriously sharp knives. Just keep away from open flames. 😁

Pretty ironic that historically there was a type of armor made from paper and it was surprisingly effective.

John Derat what tape?

The duct tape, he even says it himself, he place tape on the holes.

Lol that was a joke.

it was to cover the already done holes and not confuse them with the new penetrations

A little late, but more like Armorer 100. Still a good attempt though.

Corniflox it isn't useless, but of course it can't pierce a solid piece of steel and still penetrate further.

The lesson is that armor WORKS

On a side note lamellar is extremely good at stopping arrows. If you look at the video, they simply bounce off even if superthin metal is used. That's why lamellar was widespread among archery based warfare like the far east. The metal lamellae are not too rigid, so whed hitted by the arrow, they have space to move in and a lot of energy is lost with this effect. Also the lacings act as a springs, which makes the arrow being ultimately repulsed. This effect is even stronger when silk laces are used. However, higher kinetic objects like spears or hammer are much more devastating.

the object of an bolt or an arrow is only to wound the enemy, even if we don't take armor in the picture the possibility to kill with one shoot is very rare, but a wound is enaugh, because not only would take the target out the fight but would have a fare high chance to get infected

Luca Nic that's not quite true, lamellar didn't protect against arrows, swords or spears any better than mail armor did. it was also heavier than mail. the difference was that the main users of lamellar (the chinese) were using these badass polearms sorta like poleaxes and halberds hundreds of years before europeans did. those weapons caused alot of blunt force trauma that mail was totally ass at protecting against. the chinese also used mail as well.

No it didn't. gunpowder wasn't powerful enough to stop platemail...well ever actually. Plate mail was used in WW1 in fact.

Reminder that guns existed the same time around plate armor, and the latter persisted well until the 17th century or so.

@@baronprocrastination1722 And it made a comeback in WW1. Germans had plate armor.

Tom Hill the British and french too. There were also some French and US prototype helmets to counter shrapnel that looked straight out of the medieval ages

Modern plate armor is basically just a metal rectangle fitted into the pocket of a vest. It is designed nice and flat so that shots can't glance off.

I imagine that to repair those holes: either one has to tie up the snapped leather string or restring the whole thing after replacing the bent plates. Tying up is quicker but may be less durable. Restring is time-consuming.

@@sapienecks But it can be done in the field without a forge and smith. A knight or wealthier footman can tell any random squire or follower to restring armor during downtime.

@@sapienecks It is also more likely that they would be tied with cord, much like Bowstring, rather than Leather lace, being it would be much more durable and higher tensile strength than Leather Lace. And no doubt the plates themselves would be slightly thicker than 1 mm steel, if only slightly.

The byzantines experimented with both plate and lamellar. Lamellar was found to be better at deflecting arrows and better at being repaired. That of course is to my knowledge. I could be wrong

@@sileNtHunTerGR dont know how hard was to manufacture tin, but for sure in Byzantium times that was a bigger challenge

I'm kind of wondering where I can get a new scrotum leather jacket.

That was perfect

One of two literal laugh out loud moments for me watching this one. When he shot twice in the same spot got me too.

Best insult for crappy leather I have ever heard. Had me laughing out loud.

Notmiuser If this demonstration of how disappointing a heavy crossbow is against simple armor is, I fully expect a flying boulder from a trebuchet to bounce off plate armor with minimal damage.

No, the one that shoots massive arrows for lack of a better term.

Time to use firearms!

@@oluff1153 a ballista, is what you are refering to.

A siege pommel might be your best bet.

He's just at a gun range

@@Shero1337 r/wooooooosssssshhhhh

@@pinkestlasagna stfu he did get the joke

draw weight in crossbows are mostly negated by the short draw length meaning the bolt has only a short period of time to accelerate. a medieval crossbow with over 1000 lb draw weight would be about as effective as a 220 lb draw longbow, which was the highest draw bow found on the Mary Rose.

wor575 I know that now, but growing up before the internet books led me astray.

It does make fantasy and historical fiction a bit... interesting. And oh my, the movies. >_

The main advantage of crossbows was that they required very little training to use. A bow required significantly more skill to use right, while any old peasant could be handed a crossbow, a crannequin, and be let loose.

planescaped I'm not sure I buy that, I know from experience it takes skill to hit anything with a rifle beyond point blank range, a crossbow can't be much easier than a rifle. Beyond being able to hit something with the darn thing a crossbowman needed to know his tools inside out, just as a poor African militiamen needs to know every nook and cranny of an AK-47. A crossbow is a far more complicated piece of machinery than a bow, and would require substantial money and training to maintain as well as use.

They actually didnt in most cases, armor was tested by shooting it in the 14th century

Early firearms aren’t as inaccurate as you think.

Depends on what sort of early firearm you're talking about, the velocity of the projectiles it shoots and what those projectiles are made of. Soft lead balls have to be going extremely fast to do anything more than splash instead of penetrate when they hit something solid, like a face-hardened steel breastplate. See here for example: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kn-HfqWKb2ahonU.html

@@bobafettywap3170 Yes they were.

Marmocet however, crossbow bolts were used in very early guns.

Overstatement*

You still bleed out... adrenaline just wins you some time to run away, but you do that in army, you’d be tried for desertion

@jack bauer Yeah but the difference is that most cops use hollow points and those are meant to stop a non armored target more effectively and with less shots to theoretically neutralize the threat faster yet leave a higher chance of survival due to them dropping faster, which leaves less room for a cop to mag dump a suspect if they don't go down, not to mention that they also don't want over penetration, as to not hit any innocent bystanders. In war your average foot soldier will use fmjs because they are the most cost effective to supply, and usually other hostile soldiers are better equipped than a street criminal and usually have body armor, which give a higher chance to penetrate the armor, because it expands less than the hollow point, leaving less surface area overall on the bullet. However, with an fmj, if it passes through an unarmored part of your body, it will usually go straight through, especially with a rifle(barrel length, rifling, grains, and powder in the round) opposed to a pistol.

@@cappuccinosnephew1382 Actually, FMJ’s don’t usually go all the way through unless they’re big rounds like .308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54 etc. The standard 5.56 and 5.45 are designed to penetrate armor but when they hit a torso they typically trail around in the body making a rainbow shape or U shape

Keowar hahaha I was looking for this comment

This is the only time I’ve heard Skall swear, properly

I was surprised it held so strong under my hammer blows.

They're probably made out of slightly tougher steel than originals. Steel quality is much better now. The only things really "budget" in comparison to originals are the quality of the finish and the fitting. The protective capability is pretty much the same, at least against crossbow bolts.

Better steel, worse craftsmanship. The original breastplate had a solid textile back and much more overlap between plates. Also it is likely (though I'm not sure) that the front plate would have been thicker than the side ones.

The Churburg 13 is a solid design. A lot comes down to the quality of leather used to hold the metal together, admittedly, but in terms of glancing surfaces, it's pretty good for its time.I would recommend it highly for people who want to doa transitional 1350s reenactment and who don't want to do a coat of plates for whatever reason.

tougher maybe but poor tempered from how easy the bolt bent it

Does it make someone recoil as it fires? Does the man firing jerk back as thr bolt flies? Then impact effect can be dismissed.

@@sunrisejackdaw1779that’s not how that works. All the momentum is concentrated in the tip at impact, as you can see in the video how the armor distorts on localized impact. They would also shoot from elevation aiming for the head. So if it hit a weak spot, it would penetrate you body, but if it hit armor it could crack ribs or skull

@@diverman1023 Clearly, no work is done to bend armor. Clearly, impact transmits through in flagrant defiance of physical law, like sonic weapon from space. When material is bent, energy is used to do work of denting vest. Force acts on whole object, and localized area yes, but indent is minor, unless suddenly armor is bonetight for some reason.

I doubt it'd present an opening that's viable enough to become an alternative to the normal method of simply bludgeoning the wearer with a giant polearm or wrestling/capturing them.

Well, if the armor starts bending/losing plates, it starts losing structural integrity. So, less efficient and even easier for a warhammer or poleaxe to finish the job.

Crossbows and arrows I'm Mediaeval times were not aimed at knights. Remember only the elite could afford amour. The rest of the army wore what ever they could find. Crossbows and bows were for them

@@edwardelric717 Not to mention you wouldn't waste time and ammo on people you can't kill.

@@edwardelric717 Well there are other armour types that were quite common that are hard to shoot through with arrows

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He probably is, all weaponry UKpostsrs are connected in my opinion 😂😂😂

It might be easier to have someone behind winding up a spare or two and passing the wound xbows to the shooter. So each shooter would be using 2-3 xbows in circulation if they were going for rate of fire.

The crossbowman would likely have the greatest accurate range in the battlefield, so they would be trying to stay out of range. Plus the pavise crossbowmen had a huge shield to hide behind in between firing.

From what I've read most professional crossbowmen had a offsider or two and a big shield they would carry the hide behind while loading and shooting.

They work in teams. They are usually placed in castles for defense

just buy multiple crossbows :)

By judging the review from internet, the blunt damage that target receives can very from not even noticeable to quite deadly, really depends on what hit you and where. If we completely take out the limbs and head, which are softer targets, and focus completely on the chest plate, then something like swords or bows do absolutely no or very little damage. I am sure that maces, especially big one and under correct angle, can potentially deal enough damage to either kill target, break some bones or just deal a lot of pain and damage armour. At the same time I am not sure about spears, but it looks like that they do little damage. At the same time it is quite important to not forget about other targets than torso. Hit to the arms or legs with heavy weapon most definitely will end either fractured or at least make it hurt a lot. I believe that swords and axes can also do that kind of job more or less effective. The head is the least protected place, not because it lacks armour but because the sheer brute force even with something like sword or axe can do some damage, and getting hit by mace in the head will do a lot of damage. P.S. don’t take my word for truth as most of the conclusions I took from videos and by making educated guest.

I got to fire a heavyweight crossbow a few years ago, and you feel the immense momentum of the bolt as you shoot it. Since it’s all in the tip on impact, it would most definitely be able to crack a skull under a helmet or rib cage under a chest plate

Neutral Fellow having padding underneath still helps dissipate the force enough that it would hardly even bruise, even at that short distance.

Yes for the plate, not as much for mail/lamellar/scale. The impact is still focused instead of spread.

Available on special order, pick up only. lol PS: Wife is wonderful isn't she. :)

This is basically how brigandine was invented.

yeah, I agree. Skall is very upfront on the budget quality of that particular lamellar. better quality leather cords and even just slightly thicker plates would have been better.

Hey Thrand. Someone recommended we test a grenade on it. What do you think about that?

Tried that UKposts was not impressed lol

Shots fired. XD Glad you're back Thrand.

should test the dane axe on it

Friis Forge I don't know, would it be holy and from Antioch?

Its not so much. The thing is crazy powerful. So powerful it even has some kick to it, and its painfully loud too.

seklay What are you talking about? Both plate and lamellar are great against bows and crossbows. It doesent matter how strong the crossbow is, it wont penetrate that armour that was supposed to protect against them.

I wish the Stronghold devs would know this. Seeing crossbowmen annihilate full-plate swordsmen with metal shields is funny af.

Adam B There wasnt full plate and metal shields in those times but hey

Maybe, but they did it anyway lol. Look how the swordsman and knight units are in full plate or at least half-plate, not sure. But they're covered in plate is all I remember and are also very slow moving.

Username checks out

Skall's fans are the most precise ones (except pommel "comedians")

Fruit500 To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand POMMEL jokes... 😎

+kahootz norris True, humor is extremely subtle and without a solid grasp of HEMA most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head

+Dave Walker I guess it's there to reflect sword's hits coming to head

Not too commonly, but commonly enough. It was there to deflect lances and thrusts coming in, so they do not slip up against the throat. It was replaced later by a plate that covered the neck. This cuirass is from a period where plates just started, so noone thought of the throat cover or maybe they did not have the technology handled just yet to make those.

^^^^

I was thinking something similar. Also they all curve to the lower right it seems.

Breaking the arrow could be usefull back in the day, as the same arrow could not be fired back.

yes not dying is quite fun you can imagine how enthusiastic nobles are with their far superior armor while the peasants grumbled over how unfair it is that the rich people are really hard to kill

And yet, 3 unarmored peasants were capable of taking you down and stabbing you in the face or armpits.

Well going into war and getting shot by crossbows might not be the most fun thing but it'll at least secure you having a less shitty time

Pretty much. That armor took a pounding.

Makes sense why you'd buy the best kit possible. Difference between happy looting time and dying in agony is a well made breastplate.

Please tell the story.

I like to imagine you were "making love" very vigorously and started a fire.

@@joshstock6591 Guess the damn doctor didn't keep the promise that he won't make my story a fireside tale.

@@uniwasamistake6334 Bahaha! Love your sense of humor friend!

@@joshstock6591 we didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning.

He said outright he had a tight budget, but your point is indeed valid.

I’m here after Tods Windlass crossbow video

"Dost thou even hoist brother"

Axtually it didn't look to bad for me. Anf y'all did a fine job with what ya had. By the way, maybe u could try make some armors, you could probably make better armor than these 2. Just don't use the scrotem leather XD

Totally. It is something I am looking into. As my tooling expands I can make new and cooler things. I just picked up a new welder (hopefully get to unbox it today) and with that I will have the ability to create and design my own armoring forge, among other things. Creating plate armor is most definitely on the to do list.

Giant Mountain Dwarf. lol

Friis Forge the gods? 1 God...

One god may be enough where you are from, the Northmen have a need of many. Odin, Thor, Balder, Freya, Tyr, Heimdall, Loki just to name a few.

yeah, but they do overlap quite a bit, No chance against blunt shock tho

but i think the plates were much more firmly attached to be effective

Yep, most likely.

Also, late lamellar armour or brigandines were occasionally made from plate-armour that didn't hold up to modern firearms.

+edi Wait, what?

_HOW 'BOUT A LITTLE MORE_

The meme is spreading. Echcellent.

He had plates in his coat if im not wrong

John Kongsaisy Nope. Roose Bolton had chainmail, Rob had nothing.

And his sidekick, scrotum leather!

Jolly Jester all craftsmanship is of the highest quality. It is made in pig iron and chrysoberyl. It menaces with spikes of chrysoberyl.

On the item is an image of Avafi Hawkdrum the elf and Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth the bronze colossus in red panda leather. Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth is striking down Avafi Hawkdrum. The artwork relates to the killing of the elf Avafi Hawkdrum buy the bronze colossus Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Eath in Pulledmenaced in the Euphoric Hills in the early autumn of 62 during the Rampage of the bronze colossus Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth in Pulledmenaced.

that really does sound like something that happened. For the only fortress I did, the major menace were carnivorous possessed deers.

It's literally the description of a recent artifact crown I got. I'll have to keep an eye on that bronze colossus situation, last fortress a named Roc that was depicted everywhere murdering goblins actually showed up...

Lever could work as a pommel tho

@@fruit5003 Need a pommel

1 007 Your only option is to run the fuck away

Tanks are breakthrough weapons, knights are generally shitty at creating breakthroughs - though they are good at exploiting them. Just as with tanks it’s all about immobilizing them, isolating them and then it’s all about defeat in detail. Kill his horse, break his leg and he is done. It was done at Courtrai without the use of longbows or crossbows, just a diciplined town militia with wooden clubs and a spike on top.

Most of the time knights were taken out by a group of regular soldiers/peasants surrounding them, tackling them to the ground/dehorsing them, and then sticking them everywhere. That'd be a bad way to go.

Finkeren if you are talking about the Flemish, they where seriously well armoured themselves.

Nikita Blagodarov everyone in the front line of battle were armored at that time. Even the peasants at Visby (though that is a bit later) wore armor. The point is, that it was a town militia on foot defeating mounted knights in close combat.

Look youtube broadheads vs steel barrel and say it again 🙄

tell that to the riot shields that got wrecked by bows

just aim for the nuts dude

Older Crossbows are brilliant for defending upon castle Walls.. Less so for soldiers on the ground, without protection.

Medieval crossbows are terribly inefficient due to the amount of drag and low draw length. Modern crossbows are on par with compound bows so no comparison there.

Pikachooo make the backing and cord out of flex tape. Behold; The Absolute Unit, a set of metal lamellar so durable it’s said it can even break katanas on its surface

To be accurate different types of metal fare better as weapons and armor. Hardened Steel is considered optimal for armor while tempering is generally preferable to swords/blades which usually requires a fair amount of flex unless it's meant to be a thrusting sword in which case it has to be very stiff.

Obsidiam armor...

NANI!?!?!

Zeratul Rus man Kojima is a weapon too!? That man can do everything!

Lmao a knight sitting in a tank

Until he misses the armor 😅