Almost every single terrain-builder video out there: You want your terrain to look good, but not to outshine your minis because they´re the stars of the show...

So that’s the reason why I’m so fascinated by Oldhammer! Back then it’s more about “go build something fun” less “buy this official plastic spur”. And they have cardboard terrain!

Painting Battletech miniatures has been such a breath of fresh air. All you have to do is block in the primary and secondary colors of a mech, the cockpit glass, and all the metal details such as weapons, jump jets, and actuators.

Definitely with you on keeping the details on a separate sprue. It solves so many issues with the terrain from ability to paint it, customization (so you don’t clearly see that this is the third iteration of wall 1A on the board), and hedging off the 3rd party retailers. Heck, GW could even sell the detail sprue as a stand alone kit. I really see no downside with this

I'd bloody love if GW did this. They could even sell the greebles sprue separately and it'd sell like hot cakes.

🤔 Pretty sure there's a scene in The Inferno where Dante walks past souls damned to paint GW terrain to Golden Demon standards for all eternity without using airbrushes, washes, or contrast paints and most are still working on their first piece. I'm with you on the separate detail sprues! They make plenty of fiddly bits for the minis so why not terrain too? Great idea!

This is why I love old hand modeled minis, they don't feel like a 3D model from a videogame exported to real life, but like actual sculptures. There is less detail creep and more expression.

My most miserable expirience is painting a 1k points Thousand Sons army, and painting 1k points of new Cadians. Tsons because of the god damn trim and Cadians because of detail creep. New Shock Troopers have so much little details, pouches, holsters and stuff. Previously when I painted a Cadian Shock Trooper it took me about 30 minutes to paint one to a tabletop standard. Now it takes me more than an hour. It was mentally draining.

If I’m honest I am happy with the printed cardboard terrain. Detail creep is frustrating on miniatures though. Painting the Bretonnian men at arms or Mantics halflings has been a true joy.

i painted about 7,000 points of warhammer fantasy High Elves, and enjoyed most of it. The worst unit to paint was the Lothern Sea Guard, which were also one of the newest kits in the range and consequently much more detailed. It's sad that the newer, more detailed models are ironically less enjoyable to paint. Sometimes less is more- GW needs to get the memo on this!

i find myself more and more coming back to your videos, keep up the good work, thank you

I'm happier with cheap flat MDF walls. Better to have a few standout centrepieces than trying to have every piece of terrain draw the eye

Another benefit to keeping those recesses on a separate sprue, it means the hobbyist gets to choose if there's windows or no windows in their terrain. Windows have been a contentious topic in the gaming section of the hobby before. It has to do with line of sight and if the windows which are purely for aesthetics on some terrain pieces also allow for LOS. Being able to plug those holes at will solves all that and simplifies what should be classified as obscuring terrain and what shouldn't. And like you said, it's not like GW didn't know how to do that because *that's pretty much how the doors work.*

I love the idea of additional details bruise instead of The current one size fits all approach. They definitely should already be doing that for the price they are charging; especially considering it's what they used to do!

This is why i prefer frostgrave, Oathmark, Stargrave and a few other minis, there's enougn details to signify what they're representing (weapons and armour and stuff) but there aren't rivets on armour or safety switches on guns. If we want that on a special character or something we'll paint it ourselves

detail creep definitely made beginning painting harder than it was in the 90s, and painting their terrain just turned into a chore for me.

Hi I'm making minies myself right now (or trying to) and this is something that I want to ask from people who are on a higher level when it comes to painting (I'm not bad ether but not this good). At what point should I stop with detailing? I'm starting to get a hang of it but I still would aprichiate some help with it, to avoid this exact situation.

The level of detail on GW's Space Marines crept up over the years. When they released the Primaris Marines many complained about how they were too plain. Lately, GW has been introducing larger upgrade kits. Now people will complain about the cost of the upgrade kits. I prefer having relatively plain line troops and more detailed characters. For my Gallowdark terrain, I am considering using a dimly lit approach using a black base, red drybrush and orange drybrush on the various sculpted light sources. My thinking is that only the barest minimum of emergency lighting remains. Limiting my color palette will speed up the work. I am looking for playable terrain that provides a good backdrop for my minis. Alternately I could go for green tones with yellow for the light sources for something resembling a night vision feel. With just two boxes of the walls plus the Soulshackle add-ons it will still be a big project due to having to mask all the connection points. I hope I bought enough masking tape.

I really like your idea about greebly sprues. That would give both camps what they want, and open up for somem really interesting conversions too! The greeblys could be sold separately, thus making the standard box cheaper but still have the potential to increase sales when people buy greeblys for their other projects too!

The boarding action terrain has basically become my go-to dry palette bits. I ain’t painting all that.

I have the ork terrain from the kill team box that has that in it, and when I painted it I just did all the pieces with varying rust colors, then a metal drybrush and I picked out a few details here and there and I called it done.

I had to paint kill team octarious terrain for a commission. ALL the details needed to be painted... it was pure pain.

As someone who just paints, kit ashes, loves lore, and makes dioramas I friggin love the more detailed it gets. I think it's important to have some models that are easier but keep some with lots of detail. It's cool most of the time.

The insane amount of unnecessary detail on GW minis could be one of the reasons why they are so bloody expensive. I prefer using the older models from the 90s and early 2000s. However, on the rare occasion when I buy a modernhammer miniature, I always remove details I deem unnecessary. For example, on a regular space marine I remove all the panel lines from the armour plates so that all the armour is a flat smooth surface. In the case of Abaddon I removed all the spikes and teeth from his armour, and some of the cabling that were under his arms. I also modified all of his chaos trim to look more like the classic chaos trim from the older chaos models.

I have a question, and that is where can i find the video from the house en floors you made? That was shown in this video from the fun part

Some really detailed minis I thought I would love I end up hating. Because I for one am not skilled enough to maximize that detail. And secondly I got tired. Some of the simplest minis are my favorites.

I like your idea of having the inner panes as seperate sprues. I would actually do the inner parts, but I only buy so much terrain and keep using it over and over. With armies you are always buying more minis so I like less detail in those.

It must be happening because they don't do it by hand for a LONG time now. Once they made a 3D sculpt they probably just click a button and a CAD programm cuts it up automatically. Look closer at the sprues. It can be baffling how unfriendly to the consumer some of the builds are. Most times, not a single QA pass was made to account for ease of build, people who kitbash, people who magnetize. I convert and kitbash a lot (a lot) and I've been noticing it for a long time. They must have less than a dozen people working on all of it and their competence is uneven to say the least (Desolation Marines anyone?).

I did all that stuff from all the sets to, the bording actions terrain box and the killteam stuff. (Me and my brother got all the killteam boxes ever released between us) and it was a lot, and i think it took me about 3 weeks to do, but then i even painted every screen and skull and cable one by one and all that osl, but i had a lot of fun trying to see how fast i could do it

I would even go further with another alternative: why not simple stickers for the detailed sections? Even faster and cheaper to produce and looking great from the distance of a tabletop setup.

I dont have any terrain yet, its something I'm working on. However, I have purchased the Snot Goblin Gaming set which is modular terrain which can be set up in various ways. Given that it will hopefully be some of the only terrain I'm gonna buy I'm hoping to paint every detail and that's it more or less forever

Sold my GSC army because it was too detailed to paint. Got Drukhari which look like they have a ton of detail but it’s mostly tricks the sculptors have used to make it look that way without making them suck to paint. They have been a very enjoyable army to paint.

For some reason seeing you getting so many views makes me really glad

8:23 Boom. Case settled, [What are you Painting now?] wins

Please can I have the link to the dungeons and lasers tutorial.

the ending simpsons bit, the voice was stop on holy shit

The into the dark terrain set is not fun. I painted 1 box and had the exact same experience. After half of the pieces I just gave up on doing every little detail and the rest of the monitors and other skit I skipped. In the future I would like terrain pieces that are more simple to paint. Not neccecarly less detailed but just easier. Think of the ship design in Star Wars, like a star destroyer or the Death Star. They are covered with small details but all same colours. Would love to have the a into the dark terrain peice that was like that. Simple spray of base coat, wash + drybrush and it would look good.

I used to be big into 40k. I'm a converter. Started with orks and was moving into admech. Wow, it was a staggering amount of detail. Never finished painting the army and I only paint to "table top" level

yeah I have been feeling that gw's terrain is getting too detailed to be a good backdrop for the miniatures that are meant to be standing in front of them. i get that they are putting extra detail in to distract us from how expensive it is but it doesn't change how over detailed a lot of it can be. I don't mind some detail but if it's over detailed it makes painting them a pain in the brush hand

Here's why I love earlier models, there's still great detail, but the details and texture are DEEP. As in they soak up washes and are easy to block out and color. Also just makes it so much easier to see on the table. For example, the Gargoyle in hero quest vs... whatever Games Workshop has out now.

I did the first 2 boxes and man it was hell. It literally took me months. I haven't done the last two, I was just going to do the extra sprues but I don't even want to go back.

I thought you were using my picture in the thumbnail. I literally suffered through several sets of those walls.

I painted mine to similar level as well, two sets, a full game board :) A nightmare at the beginning, a fun experience when I figured out a system that worked for me frustration-free :) Amazing work

I think it easier to do it yourself and make it the way people do it in real life: automate. Like everything consists of standardized pieces we can recreate in a factory fashion.

I really enjoy painting kill teams. That’s me. I like the amount of detail in them and the fact I can focus on 8 or 10 units at a time, which takes me weeks. I’m glad I have friends who do terrain tho… that seems like a chore

I suppose I find myself in the middle of the two. I primarily want to play with my armies, so painting can feel like an obstacle when it's a ton of models. But I also enjoy the amazing satisfaction of painting something and having it turn out great, sending pictures to my friends or showing them off on the battlefield. I made that! I try to balance these opposing goals by leaning on techniques that produce good looking results easier. I want to paint to play, but also look awesome.

With the modern computer designed multipart figures there are many spaces on the model where you cant even get a brush to in there, this wouldnt have happend in the hand sculpted days, as the sculpting tool as much the same shape as a brush. I find painting the old hand sculpted models far more enjoyable becouse i don't have to worry about painting in sub assemblies, or have really hard to reach areas and less fine detail over all.

as someone who is currently painting boading actions terrain I feel your pain. Luckily I'm only doing one box though, and only to my crappy standards.

As a Stormcast player, I absolutely agree. It's one of the reasons I love the Thunderstrike pattern armor is that it is just so much easier to deal with! I can bulk-paint a squad of Thunderstrikes in practically no time, but went nearly insane trying to paint the crew of the Celestar Ballista with all of their tools and folds and tchotchkes. So I guess I'm on-board with saying "More Thunderstrikes, please!"

In the 90's they had their gear all separate, on the same sprue. Soo in part they should take a step back is what is said here...

how much does a commission like this cost?

thank you, now I dread me painting my two sets of Gallowdark. 🙂

The easiest way to paint terrain: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kaaDn6Z5b6KKmJs.html

This was surprisingly thoughtful and I agreed and disagreed with various parts but wow! Did you open my eyes to some of the problems that people in our hobby face. Thank you!

On separate parts: it frustrates me enormously when GW don't split their models as potential sub-assemblies. It just makes everything harder. The worst example I came across recently was the special-edition Assassin on the Sister of Battle statue. THEY'RE BOTH ONE PIECE! WHY??????? *Everyone* will want to paint those two parts separately, then glue them together to make the finished piece. Every single person in the world. NO-ONE would WANT it to be one piece, unless they just weren't planning to paint it at all (in which case why did they get it, as it's not a gaming piece - and if it were, a separate Assassin would STILL be better). So WHY did GW make it one piece?????? I literally opened the box, looked at it, and said out loud "that's sociopathic". Absolutely mad decision... and they do this kind of thing all the time.

I hate painting terrain. I just drybrushed my walls and colored some key details. I think it looks pretty good for background to battles

i have this problem when i get the "idea" lets print a Space Hulk board :( from Dragon Rest :(

I always choose a very simple and muted color scheme for my terrain. Like rusted metal or grey stone. If there are things like lights or monitors, pick out very important parts and give them an OSL effect, but choose a single color for all lights. Other bulbs/monitors will just be painted black. Just save yourself the time and give your models a good and muted background to shine in.

That was a crazy project!

And then there are people like me. I believe sometimes less is more. Also sometimes the details on the mini doesn't fit the aesthetic that I'm going for, I'll end up chopping parts off just to add other parts. Hopefully with how games workshop released the Deathwing upgrade kit is a step in the right direction. Start with a blank Terminator and upgrade it to give the aesthetic as much or as little as one wants. This comes from someone that doesn't even play DA. Upgrade kits done in a similar way across the board would IMO be a welcomed idea. Win/win for big GW also as they get to sell the kits and not over produce entire model sets.

having the terrain in a starter set be pre painted by automated process and not just have the be a printed cardboard tile or printed paper mat would be a great thing for beginners as it would reduce potential mental barriers to play while also subtly incouraging new players to paint their minis and thus probably buy paints off gw along with a few more miniatures

Im a 2-6e player returning at tenth. Detail creep is a pain in the butt. I found the easier solution is to just print simpler minis.

Yeah, I feel you. I painted 1k Sororitas as a gift for a friend and the amount of detail on every single mini killed a portion of my soul the further in I got. I never want to touch Sororitas again, and that’s a shame because I think some of their stuff is SUPER cool. I also bounced off the ITD terrain hard. I did one full wall to tabletop standard, realized it took me a week for that one wall, and did a gradient airbrush plus oil wash and drybrush to finish. Job’s a good’un.

While I get the context, You have to look at it from GW stand point, Selling pre-painted things means less sales of primer, paint and brushes. And we all know they are about their money.

Excellent Points!

I would be down with the separate sprue thing, I do enjoy painting, but it's also a task, just not an unenjoyable one. I have also discovered that time management produces far better results than simply blocking out a period of time for painting, if I block out 30 minutes for air brushing, 30 minutes for detail work, and 30 minutes for basing, I tend to get a lot more done than if I simply sit down and go "I'll spend 90 minutes hobbying/painting."

I was waiting for such an episode. Wasn't expecting it on this channel tho.

Part of the reason I dislike Primaris marines. (apart from them being such an obviously corporate maneuver) Do I think the Indomitus Box set is the pinnacle of Marine design?- (Unless the suppressors showed up there, lol) -Yes, absolutely. Did I 3D print some truescale Firstborn models and immediately sigh in relief seeing so many flat, undecorated plates? Also, absolutely yes. It's just... as a 3-way Painter/modeller/gamer for multiple armies, it sucks to see a dude(ette) with a billion lil gadgets on his/her person because I'll be Doug Dimmadamned if I won't be tempted to paint- Every. Single. One. And this is on Troops(Battleline) units, mind you. Intercessors, with all these extra bits on their armor and dozens of overlapping plates. Yeah, it looks sweet when you do a good job, but... dang. being tempted and/or pushed to add HQ unit levels of detail to a guy that's gonna die within the first two turns, or advance twice and do nothing for the rest of the game is... I almost wanna say "insulting" ? HQ units or Elite units are fine having all the extra detail, bc they're typically centerpieces for an army anyway, but... yeah, hard agree. My biggest turnoff when it comes to painting is seeing a model with all these tedious little hoses and plates and vents and decorations... it's... It's like running an army of Sanguinary guard. I love the Bladeguard veterans, but they're the biggest offender in this regard. They look amazing when you paint them up fully, but that's gonna take a while. But if you paint them underwhelmingly, it shows SO BAD.

The person who ordered the whole terrain set painter to character level has more money than sense. Good for you two :)

So accessories on seperate sprues? You mean like the good ol' days?

I used to love painting, and I loved doing all the little details, but the problem is as you mentioned, repetitiveness. Extreme details are great.... on a one off mini. But once you've done your tenth, twentieth or even fiftieth piece of the same detail it all blends together. I used to play Orks, because to me, Orks were the best when it came to allowing people to do what they want with their vehicles and paint however you like, however, even Orks became really samey, and when I eventually gave up, there wasn't that many options out there for custom or 3D printed pieces, and what options there were, were often very expensive.

Well damn if I could have pre-painted terrain I'd get it even with 100% mark-up. I like to paint models and terrain, but I sure as hell postpone Gallowdark beacuse there is TOO MUCH detail for me. I feel like I'd have to paint for a long time just to get it done nicely, all the while I could paint my minis which I want to have painted so .... Dilemma is real haha

I can agree especially some AOS models specifically the earlier stormcast a lotta chotchkies and details that I often leave some details either gold or silver out of necessity and peace of mind

I would possibly get into the game part kf wh40k except the game peices are too expensive and then i need to paint them whicj is even more time and equipment . One of the things that really appealed to me about games like d&d isnthat i can drop $60 for a rule book and then be off to the races.the dice are easy enough to get and while additional materials would be helpful they are not essential

So glad I skipped every single one of the Into the Dark boxes.

If you want details to be provided on a separate sprue, you're going to push up the cost. Having an entire separate sprue doubles the amount of machining of steel for the molds, thus doubling that aspect of cost in the production process. It's entirely do-able, but would see a big price jump as a consequence

Some of the greebles are already separate so it makes ni sense not to so more of them

Detail creep... Couldn't have said it better. Detail creep is why I hate some of the Patreon mini creators, like Mini Monster Mayhem and Archvillain Games. I mean, sure, the sculpts are awesome, but for printing and painting, they are ridiculously overkill.

i like details, but you can't have them everywhere. star wars ships are a perfect example. some parts are still relatively smooth. this looks much too cluttered. I think that's why the 2nd edition space marine is so enjoyable to paint. arguably more than v3

Detail creep is real. I rarely play these days so my hobby is 90% painting and the few GW kits I’ve painted the last few years have been a ton of work when compared to similar kits from mantic or tt combat. I’ve enjoyed them least because honestly the extra detail constrains the painter, it doesn’t actually help in my view.

I just use books, Legos and boxes for terrain, though. Ugly, unthematic and mismatched? absolutely. Functional? to some degree! Truest to 40k's old ways of "do the moronic fun stuff, throw ur scatter dice, DON'T YOU DARE PRE-MEASURE, and OH JOY MY TERMINATORS TELEPORTED OFF THE TABLE!" WFB's getting the old worlds treatment, Maybe they'll do the same for 40k. I mean if GW loves its money so much, why not reboot things from 2nd edition Onwards?

Tbf, commission means it's a kind of job - and jobs suck sometimes. And I feel like the main problem re detail creep is your understanding of tabletop ready: I don't think every detail needs to be readable for what it is in order for a paintjob to be tabletop ready. I get feeling overwhelmed with the amount of details on a mini, but the way around it is to come to terms with not painting everything up to readability levels.

The quickest way to ruin your love for a hobby is to turn it into your job.

Terrain is some of the least enjoyable things to paint. I have several times in the past bought pre-painted terrain, and maybe added a few finishing touches. I like the prisma cast idea, and hope to see it expanded onto wargaming terrain too.

30 years ago half of that would be printed card, fast cheap an easy. Look at the old gorkamorka terrain, its plastic an card, paint a bit of plastic then tab A to B an glue.

10:56 There is a person adjacent to my local gaming community. He absolutely lambasted the new SM terminator chaplain. Hated it. Vocally, for *days*. Why? "It's not 40k! It's not warhammer! It's not detailed enough!" No amount of calm explaining got through that "if you want more detail, you can always put 50 more purity seals or skulls on him" but cutting them off is much more difficult. There are two additional twists to the story. Said lad, is a metagamer. Plays only what's the strongest and will berate you if you bring a "fun" list to a tournament with him. And that's why, he doesn't really paint much himself. Second... he plays aos. He doesn't play 40k, doesn't read the lore, hates space marines in particular and openly states that he joined 40k chatgroup to create discontent (later saying that we're toxic). Extra joke: he started playing TOW (competitive, of course) because of "my nostalgia" and "they're good looking because they're simple and less detailed". Simultaneously, he states that "gw is the best because the detailed sculpt, they have the most detailed sculpts!" And, naturally, fingers in ears when you point out to the contrary. Oh well.

I have all this painting supplies to try and make my life easier, but at the end of the day I still hate it. Painting is a chore. As someone who just wants a good enough looking model to play the game, the hobby aspect always feels like a massive barrier to get to the fun part.

im now religious and pray to any and all gods for prismcast to become a thing

Joke on you, there’s never enough skulls for my Khorne team. Joke aside, at first I thought details weren’t a big deal. But then when you talked about seperated sprues, I understood that they could be sold seperatly, and the base piece could be cheaper. It would lower the entry cost to the hobby (cash, time and skill) and yet let means for a minority to really go nut with details. Skulls for the skull throne !

more detail = more drybrush

Without all that detail how do they sell more paints...especially if they prepaint the sprus. They are a business and everything is calculated on the cost, price point and subsequent margin...but it is getting a bit over the top when you need a magnifying lens and a 000 brush to paint it, if you need to magnify it and hold it an inch from your nose to see it does it need to be there...if you took them out the painters would complain and go elsewhere, if you put them on separate sprus those who don't like building would complain and so on...for me, I try to concentrate on scheme and readability and there are times I like the detail and times I just paint over it. Love your work, It's definitely one of the most helpful sites in terms of painting on here, I love the colour theory stuff and psychology of colours...

Three months? Great, just in time for this terrain to be displaced with the new season and trend! You almost also touched a subject that worries me in the latest gw design: monopose! They know about posing and converting, but they seem not to care anymore. They did produce products that were prone to be converted. But no more. Yes, Minis are more epic now, but just in one (sometimes two) way. I miss things like mordheim and am so glad that the old world is bringing back that flexibility. Because not all chaos cultist leaders or necromunda rookies shall have the same improvised scrapped gun.

Archon Prismacast is Soo Awesome!

wait... that's professional quality? so i do paint professionally!? i guess i'll start a fyver or something.

I am scared to paint warhammer models, because I'm arfraid i will ruin them. They are precious, gorgeous and failure would brake my heart. That's why I left model scaling in the past when, while was stil kid, because I though I don't deserve this beautiful Tamiya tanks. I've started 40k in Jan. with painting 3d prints and only because i wouldn't regret ruining cheap prints. Recently bough old SM for CSM army and they were so poorly assembled that my conscious is clear and now I'm happily kitbashing them from hidious green stuff mutations to proud traitor marines :)

100% agree!

Pre-painted terrain is something I definitely think can happen, but pre-painted minis is likely never to happen with 40k. Doing so effectively reduces interest in their kits, while exploding costs. When you are already so constrained on creating models that you're willing to drop low-selling kits, GW having to have pre-painted Space Marines (as an example as that is their flagship) would mean they would have to make a different SKU and paint job for even some kits is already crazy. Imagine if they offered pre-painted Primaris marines... How many chapters are they willing to cover? The main 8 alone multiplies any kit complexity by 9, as you still definitely need to have an unpainted variant for people to randomly go off and start painting Nova Marines, or Lamenters. If GW was crazy enough to accept every canon Space Marine chapter it'd be insane. They could definitely offer a premium for pre-painted minis, but the sheer complexity could buckle and destroy their already limited supply vs demand problem. They would go from probably around 3,000 SKU's (across AoS, Black Stone Fortress, 40k, 30k, Titanicus, Blood Bowl, etc) to somewhere around I'd say 25,000 SKUs. It just wouldn't be manageable unless they decided to *just* do it for Ultramarines and maybe 1 other Space Marine chapter, which could cause a lot of bad blood. GW has much to lose from attempting to do pre-painted minis. But terrain is different altogether, regardless of what chapter you're playing, a door is a door, if it's made of wood, it better be some shade of brown or an exotic wood like Padauk or Purpleheart. A metal door is some shade of grey/silver, simple as. Terrain can absolutely be pre-painted, and I'd say 90% of people would be interested in it, even if it comes at a premium price.

Pointless abundance of detail is part of Gothic architecture, so for me this is an important part of the (visual) lore of Warhammer. Guess I'm part of the minority. I absolutely am for your idea of add-on sprues, all your arguments are good. On the other hand I'd personally hate if there were no unpainted boxes available anymore. I'd have an inner blockage preventing me from painting something which already comes with colour.

I dislike most newer GW minis. 1. They have made all the minis in drama student getting a new profile pic poses. 2. They added so many details that cutting them off is the best customisation option. 3.they made multi part kits that create monopose minis, you get extra work because it takes up less shelf space or saves GW money or whatever - I don't want an airfix hobby.

Sorry but I think your conclusions come from a problem that is very specific to you. As a casual player+painter+kitbasher can ask: Who on earth paints 3 sets of terrain on a time schedule (assuming you had one) and to such a detailed level ?! I personally painted two of those to a tabletop standard (2 tone airbrush, dry brush highlight and weathering with chipping medium). Splitting all that work into 2 sessions made it very enjoyable and rewarding. The moment I tried adding detail to screens I noticed it would stand out too much if it wasn't done everywhere. So obviously I decided to skip on the details. But I will always have an option to get back to it or give it to someone who wants to practice freehand on something insignificant (yet usable) since I am the owner of the terrain. You also did not mention the biggest issue with BA terrain which was the entire walls fitting. Making walls and pillar caps fit took by far most work hours and was the worst experience. So i would argue that the proposed solution of detail separated on greebles would make the assembly even more time consuming. As for the prepainted solution: well you would have to also accept an increased cost to what's already a seriously overpriced product. I do agree with the notion that detail creep exists but honestly think it's just a personal problem to which there are many solutions both in painting techniques and own standard adjustments. Obviously the viewpoint depends on the seating point but with all due respect I find the viewpoint of commission painters/youtubers quite hermetic in nature.