@Seanus Patricus Why do you think it's untrue

@Seanus Patricus check this guy out, he thinks he is more informed than an actual professor of classics. Anonimity on the Internet really is a heady drug, huh?

"serious scholar" .....

Then you never heard of Thebes sacred band which was made of 150 male couples

@Seanus Patricus Any sources? If you claim something please provide evidence

Awesome! I live in New York City and am a student myself and know the importance of both intelligent and charismatic teachers.

How do you pick a good translation - any tips?

im not gonna criticize an ancient culture because mythological takes were off by modern standards... i do however do love their creativity in the universe so theres that

Don't care rich boy

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 do u go to nyu too ?

Same with the Devil in the Bible. Lucifer isn't the bad guy of that story...only the antagonist. Those aren't the same things.

Not quite faithful, he did have an affair with Menthe. But very misunderstood nowadays; he was not evil. And he didn't trick Persephone; every woman of that culture knew that a man offering her a pomegranate was a marriage proposal, like now if a man were to kneel and hold up a ring.

@@that_heretic Very well said.

@@that_heretic Uh, Satan attacked God (a very dumb plan to those who know the being) out of jealousy over not being the best thing to exist. When he failed, immediately began to attack God's favorite creation out of spite, twisting the being into the most self-destructive animal imaginable. Satan is a villain. He does everything we imagine of villains and worse. It's best to not associate Hades and Satan at all. Hades is effectively an immortal human who tends to dead souls. Satan is a spiteful, violent being dedicated to deception and corruption in all forms.

Hades and Madusa is misunderstood.

It's the same thing with Vikings. One of the most tolerant societies with extensive freedoms and rights of women is now idealized as some kind of ultra-matcho utopia.

Actually the spartan women had more rights than the athenian democratic women, and they were more respected

Never forget all the slaves that actually made Sparta function.

😂😂😂

The funniest thing is that 9/10 people who think "Yeah, I would have been a badass Spartan!" probably would have died during the Agoge and never made it to adulthood :P

Wish they'd explored that in the second movie, rather than ruining the impact and strength of the first.

I just want an explanation on how he killed all the gods. how did he kill Heracles or Athena?

Yeah, whenever I watch WW I always get bothered by that.

We may prove a trend of Black Panther and Wonder Woman writers ripping each other off. How far back does that date?

@@alm2187 What does Black Panther have to do with any of this? I'm not even sure why the expert talked about it. It has nothing to do with Greek Mythology, and in the film, Wakanda is clearly in central Africa, nowhere close to the Mediterranean.

"Blessed are the cheese makers" Monty Python!

Would you have a source or an article that he possibly wrote ? that would interest me !

And you never noticed he does not know what he's talking about. This is what is known in the trade as the Dr Fox effect.

@@DrWhom That's actually interesting, if true. You mean his compelling "storytelling skills" and charisma (or whatever) are substituting an accurate interpretation / real insight into this subject?

Now I will too! Thank you for sharing that!

Lol would you expect Disney to make a children’s movie about actual mythology?

@@winklenator *laughs in the upcoming Percy Jackson series with God’s including Zeus having spawns with mortals like mythos*

you mean that the expert have no clue what propraganda is, and are useing wokeist terms because he cant understand that the old world werent like ours

​@@thesovietvorona1007 but in Percy Jackson for some reason they portray demigods as being necessary for the universe... like, the gods really need to have sons in order to save themselves and also humanity. In greek mythology there is nothing of this sort, demigods are born because the gods are lusty and also because royal houses liked to portray themselves as divine. So yeah, Disney can easily push aside the luxury of gods (as is in mythology) by claiming is all for the "good of the world" like the percy books claims.

So did I lol

A classics major? So you're unemployed at the moment?

Its a bot

I hear they were roommates.

@@MoxHex they. Were. *_Roomates_* .

Patroclus

I'm pretty sure the original texts were actually unclear on their relationship. Later telling's had them as lovers, and then not again, based on what was the social norm at the time.

@@KS-xk2so Yes, the original Odyssey never explicitly describes them as lovers, but it does describe them as extremely close. It’s not a stretch to imagine they were lovers, was quite common and accepted in Ancient Greece.

Fully agree! What an amazing story teller / explainer

What movie would you like him to check out?

I would like a second video too, it'll be interesting to hear his take on Wrath of the Titans and 300 Rise of an empire.

Agreed! And love that they covered Panther and other non-Greek/Roman mythologies

I would absolutely love to see some Asian or African myths explored like Indian, Japanese, Chinese and others! They're fascinating worlds.

He sounds like a beta

@@shrekster3990 and you have a beta nick

you're totally right mate. i was thinking the exact same thing when he explained the gender division between earth & olympus - i'd never had it explained quite like that. fuckin brilliant

@@pasta-and-heroin yea

I had a teacher in college who used to say that myths and tradition has the job of making their origins forgotten. We should only see the message, and to learn and be in wonder with the stories, not search for the person who wrote it or 'made it all up' many centuries before.

This man is an idiot, and he is obviously seeing everything though an agenda.

I agree with him and you but only in part. The idea that a story should grow is definitely something that should happen BUT it should not be done at the expense of the original. Adding, improving, expanding and making more inclusive is different to perversion and bastardisation, which unfortunately seems to be the trend in the modern age.

Ah yes, Jan 6 riots that were led in by the fbi which is a proven fact, where a 60 year old woman who got directed through doors by the fbi ends up getting shot point blank in the head by a black police who had time to disengage but committed murder nonetheless but you all cheered for literal convicted peds chasing down a 16 year old kid with guns and wanted him locked up for defending himself and society. Yous stood up for Floydy who used to hold pregnant ladies up at gunpoint and Rob them 🤣 And they are the least worst out of them. Burning down cities ,people, homes, pets, stores, cars every thing because you're all sadistic terror rats who need to be put away.

@@S-bl1df Facts always hurt you dimwits. That's only just the widely televised and reported on atrocities that yous commit regularly. Jussie smollet is your actual hero and the toughest dude in your ranks 🥴 just embarrasing

@@SH19922x Are you a farmer? Or why all the straw men?

@@SH19922x whoa, comments like this is why we desperately need to invest in mental health

@@SH19922x just say you hate black people, already. Good God you have gone down some rabbit holes. You probably believe the earth is flat and birds aren't real if you believe the nonsense you just spewed. You people are literally the only ones talking about Jussie Smollet, nobody but idiots like you even remotely care about him.

This guy is a beautiful story teller, and a lover of old stories.. I agree with you M D. Peter needs to come back

Wish I had professors like him, holy crap.

Yes invite him again!

are you in love with him lol

confidence and ease, but not a lot of knowledge. The Dr Fox effect claims another victim!

What a great analysis!

@@MsKym4 Yeah I mean, the story isn't meant to be taken as a historical account of the facts but as an embelished account of them within the story, as propaganda. The sequel tones down quite a bit the exageration of the persians becase now, even though the main focus of the story is portraying the greeks as heroes and follows the story of Themistocles we are shown Xerxes story prior transformation and we can empathize with him and his struggle a bit more, the same goes for Artemisia's story.

300 is based on Frank Miller's graphic novel

He’s a college professor. If he doesn’t say something is racist he doesn’t get tenure

@@myman5472 hes right about the persians they were african ,asian, and arabic looking

Okay bot

Leftists white academics that don't know a single thing about history. This guy reviewed these beautiful movies and made them about racism, sexuality and other woke things.. It's so cringe watching when you know a lot of history...

exactly, portrayal of Persians is racist but also, completely innacurate persians were described by ancient Greeks as pale as women so movie, if anything, should've portrayed greeks as brown, and persians as yt

@@xboxgamerhr its based off a fictional comics book that was inspired by tru events. Chill out lol not everything is pushing a political message on people. Its a movie made for entertainment.

Racist alert. White people have preserved more mythology than any other race, so you should thank whites for ANY knowledge at all.

As a general statement it is accurate but in the example he used Ephialtes was only initially met with hostility by the Spartans. King Leonidas actually welcomes him and, despite his disabilities, he gives him the opportunity to fight (in a way). He explained why he could not fight as an able bodied Spartan could and that he would be a weakness to the Phalanx. It's Ephialtes turning on Sparta that brands him a traitor, not his disabilities or any prejudice on the side of the Spartans.

he gets a lot wrong, though. like, a _lot_

@@DrWhom it would be fab if you could highlight these instead of just calling him wrong. I'm sure there's a lot of academic debate going on

@@DrWhom you do know the 300 movie is basically complete fiction, right?

@@guyincognito8440 Weak arguement.

he doesn't mention Asclepius he already thinks people know about it. He doesn't mention other key elements about the 300 or Hercules etc either.

And he only saw half of it ;)

well the movie itself is based a comic strip/ graphic novel not entirely on the actual retelling

Thank you, lots of people kind of forget that and that's actually what make the movie so great.

@@ezjean.1280 its a terrible movie because of those inaccuracies and full on bs

in short its a copout and bs

So true...

Study it yourself

@@vintheguy yeah, consulting reliable sources instead of this con artist

Homer even has a writing credit on the film. Even if the Coen Brothers claim it was independent, their lawyers disagreed. I could buy some elements being coincidence, but others (like John Goodman having an eye patch) are pretty hard to brush off.

I think they were aware of it, they just hadn't read it. They were going off the knowledge they had accumulated through the zeitgeist. I've heard Tim Blake Nelson talk about how it was on set with him being the only person who'd actually read it and he thought it was interesting.

They weren't unaware of it. They said they were aware of it, as much as anyone is, through pop culture, but hadn't actually read the book.

@@KeyDash753 Wait, why was there a need of lawyers being involved in this? Homer's works are very firmly in the public domain.

@@apg13997 True, I often forget about the public domain thing. Still, even if there's no need to pay royalties or anything like that, they'd still want to give credit when it's an adaption and not original.

I think he pointed out the core element of this connection, that half of the Mediterranean is surrounded by Africa, & given how wide Greco-Roman cultures & borders went back then it is honestly less likely that their cultures did not intertwine than otherwise. The Western world just never cared to delve into that.

@@juliansenfr it makes sense you are right! But like you said I never even consider it!

@@juliansenfr In several of the Greek myths, and even the Iliad, Ethiopia often makes an appearance.

U do know, but u don't know, that u know like ancient Egypt is north Afrika, he doesn't speak or think of subsaharan or east Africa!

@@dginc.4582 kindom of kush were ruled by Nubians dipshit

Right

Ain’t no one saying nuthin

I hate how true this is... honestly came to the comments solely to see what people thought about this.

Well, it's not that unusual of one culture to influence another culture. It's kinda normal even, so what's a matter.

People who are interested in this and people who study this are generally aware of this. The roots of myth of and religious thought will inevitably find their way back to the most ancient civilisations.

You thought that Thor was made up, by marvel?

@@potatogaming7044 the way he and the rest of the Pantheon are depicted? Yeah, that's mostly pure fiction and has little to do with what little we know of nordic mythology.

@@potatogaming7044 I thought the Themyscira legends were made up, I did know about Thor.

What's interesting is the conversation around how comic books and the idea of heroes/villains with super powers, have kind of become the modern version of mythology, without the religious overtones.

@@KS-xk2so well, mythology itself is not inherently tied to religion. A mythos is a tale or story that is passed along through several iterations of retelling. Historically that would be word of mouth but there are also modern Mythos in the age of print. Slenderman or Cthulhu for example are two examples of modern Mythos. A Mythos can and usually does contain lessons of a cultural, societal or religious nature but that is not entirely necessary. So yes, comic books are a form of Mythos creation but they aren't the only one in modern times. Sidedig: Captain America for example is the Mythos of US American (moral) superiority by way of utilizing a literal Übermensch representing supposed patriotic values.

Erik Singer taught me things about accents I never knew I didn't know. Same thing with this guy and history/mythology.

What video did Singer do?

@@tonyriemenschneider8745 He has like 10+ across various channels breaking down accents.

And he left out sumer and anatolian inflyence. Probably the greatest influence on greek culture

I couldn't stop crying after reading the song of achilles

Philippine culture? How? I'm Filipino and I don't resonate whatsoever with Black Panther.

@@kuyab9122 the idea of enslavement and colonization but Wakanda itself is 'lucky' to be hidden. Being able to communicate with old ancestors on the astral plane. Even the opening of Black Panther and the stolen artifact masks. Know about the Balangiga Bells? Know about how the friars kept the natives of the Philippines subservient for centuries? I'm no warfreak today. Trade with Spain is great and reasonable this day. But we do have a harsh past with colonization. The lead Blank Panther fight ritual really reminded me of the Philippines with all the different tribes coming together for the country of Wakanda under one banner. We are a diverse nation of various ethnolinguistic cultures.

@@ginogarcia8730 Come to think of it, when you do a deep-dive to our history and culture, you have a point.

@@kuyab9122 Yep, dats da point mah man. The cool thing is in Africa there's actually not one place tribally like Wakanda where they all live peacefully in one place. But the Philippines is. Technically the US is. But yeah, even the Black Panther itself is a symbol of fighting against colonization and oppression by conquerors and protecting the original culture to be safe.

That's history. Not mythos.

@@antoniousai1989 a Professor of "Classics" is the study of classical antiquity - that is the period of cultural history between the 8th century BC and 6th century AD of which "Alexander" does falls into...obvs not for this video.

Greco Persian war wasn't mythos either.

@@antoniousai1989 History and mythology are usually closely entwined

But that's not a myth.

Looks like the good guys? Lol what?

Thats the ting that always confuses me every time slaves come up in the movies. xD

@@mgreco712 what what??? Is it to hard for your simple brain to process???

Yes, I believe it is because their main religion at the time, Zoroastrianism explicitly bans slavery. They were certainly not some inhuman evil force.

yes! i wanted to comment about the Hades game as well

That’s literally the point of The Last Samurai. Even the point of the name

@@jacobmcmillan6787 Yeah, but it's set in the late 19th century, by which time Japanese armies had been using the arquebus (tanegashima) for over 300 years.

You accidentally just showed that you don’t know about samurai yourself; Nobunaga, for example, did build his success on the arquebus - but it wasn’t samurai firing them, it was peasants recruited into the army, Nobunaga actually killed a lot of the Oda samurai in a civil war at the start of his reign. The “samurai” you mentioned were all daimyo, they didn’t use the arquebus in battle, and most of their troops using arquebus weren’t samurai either - they kept samurai as infantry troops, because while you can shoot the oncoming heavily armored infantry, the arquebus is slow to reload and the infantry is fast to close the distance. Also why Nobunaga used the system of three man volleys; two archers were attached to every arquebus user, and would volley arrows in the time between the volleys of arquebus fire.

Hollywood seldom sticks to facts! LOL. An exception is the movie Dillinger with Johnny Depp. The guide on the gangster tour confirmed that that movie stuck pretty close to the truth! Come to think of it, Johnny Depp is a modern day myth teller, with his potrayal of Dillinger and Whitey Bulger of Boston in Black Mass.

Samurais being portrayed as knights... and even then, incorrectly so is some of the things that hurts me the most. I blame it on the fascination around swords, which is unearned: Knights in tales are always using swords in huge battles, when it's clear that they were more side-arms, since they are far more expensive and less useful in a charge than, say, a spear (or any kind of polearm in that matter). I think that incorrect idea has been transposed to the samurai, kinda trying to make them like mythical European knights with their ubiquitous katanas... when in fact, they were far different, and katanas were more of a symbol of status and a duel weapon. Again; swords were never very useful in massive fights and most warriors favored other weapons: first polearms, and later on guns and rifles I mean, come on, if you assume samurais veered off of guns amidst Japan's technological revolution, you would then have to be assuming that samurais were basically idiots that disregarded any kind of strategical or tactical thinking in favour of some abstract ideas of honor and tradition xD

I think there's a movie about him on Netflix.

@@elfiex.x Yep. It's called "Professor Marston and the Wonder Woman" and while it is very good, the main characters are WAY more attractive than their real life counterparts, which doesn't really matter because nobody saw it.

lol

@@barry2349remember they said to toxic masculinity not masculinity in general

In addition, Sparta was the most ableist society- they threw away babies with disabilities. So it would make sense that the disabled/disfigured character be evil

but it’s not even accurate to how they viewed Persians at the time

I can't take this guy too seriously after some of his takes in this video.

the shield is called an aspis. Hoplon means gear in a general sense.

@@djehuti3 aspis and hoplon are used interchangeably to mean shield

@Seanus Patricus right!

@Seanus Patricus why

There is something wrong with the comment section, like every one has almost the same comment with bearly a comment and a couple of hundred likes. Makes you wonder

Indeed and this was a very popular tactic in antiquity.

Hades is tons of fun but takes a gargantuan amount of creative liberties with their portrayals of the gods.

Not like we didn’t know this all before the Internet you moron

2 snakes = Caduceus. 1 snake = Asclepius

This is exactly the comment I was looking for. I mean… he’s the expert but as far as I’m concerned that’s the gist of it. Zeus was bored so decided to create beings which he could lord over, so asked Prometheus to bake them out of clay and so on. It’s a great story as it is but it deprives the professor of an opportunity to make a trite comment on gender politics. Again, I might be wrong on that one but his constant interpretation of details through the lens of a tiktok cringe compilation drove me a little mental.

Nice apophasis. But the expert is correct: none of the many extant Ancient Greek sources have Zeus creating humans.

@@praisethesunn6541 You certainly were looking for it. But you're not "mental", just a bit gammony.

Also I thought Zeus told Hephaestus to create Pandora for Epimetheus to fall in love with her. Pandora was made to be curious so opened up Pandora’s box to release evil on mankind or something like that. Don’t think the expert was correct on this (I just love this specific story I am no where near an expert on Greek mythology).

There are many versions of these myths and none of them are truly “correct” because myths change over time, especially ones that were spread as part of a religion

@amirali khatame I always thought the point of 300 was telling the story of the battle through the eyes of an ancient Greek. During the Persian wars, they were extremely xenophobic towards the Persians, and so 300 portrays them as alien and effeminate - the way ancient Greeks during the Persian wars saw them. It also portrays the Persian army as huge and the Greek army as very small, which is meant to show the great discipline and martial prowess that ancient Greeks thought they had. I think 300 is an interesting take on historiography in movies. It's essentially an extremely nationalistic film like Pearl Harbour or The Patriot, but the audience is meant to be ancient Greek people instead of modern Americans, none of whom are alive today.

@J. Rec Exactly. I don't understand why this professor is getting bent out of shape. Sounds like he wasn't told this movie was based on a graphic novel, which itself is all about visual drama to sell box office tickets, nor does director Zack Snyder claim this movie to be complete or partially historically accurate. Otherwise, the professor should just watch a History Channel/PBS/Nat Geo documentary about Sparta with accurate dramatic reenactments. He also contradicts himself at 24:55 by talking about the "Fidelity Discourse", basically saying he doesn't subscribe to the idea that a story has to be told accurately to the myth (or original story) and that changes are welcome because it comes down to the performance and audience reception (you know, like how Zack Snyder's 300 was told and many people liking it).

@@SkullAngel002 well said.

@@ciaranjones9449 interesting!

@@SkullAngel002 Just because someone doesnt claim historical accuracy IF a film is made about an historical event it SHOULD be historically accurate unless you CLEARLY state otherwise. 300 was bs

Oh my goodness I hadnt finished watching it! ❤❤❤❤❤

I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery. Yes, World War propaganda was usually very racist and led to several problems, so how is this narration explanation an excuse for dismissing the imagery? That simply seems like a cop out to protect Miller and Snyder. Let’s not forget that Miller also wrote “holy terror,” a comic in which all Muslims (men women and children) were depicted as terrorists, and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate.

It has nothing to do with propaganda. Persia invaded in Greece so 300 Spartans went at Thermopylai to stop the enemy. It wasnt about demonize nobody. They went there to defend their land and their families. And it was more than enough.

@@dimipartcaster7770 "It has nothing to do with propaganda." Except that battle BECAME propaganda so it still have to do with propaganda.

@@arman_1024 "I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery." Except it is a movie and not a documentary but clearly you are not educated to understand that. By the way calling it racist and bigoted imagery only proves that you have no arguments after all. "and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate." Well did the battle not happened? Since 90% of the story is true you really have nothing to complain about.

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