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In Germany "you can only mention genocide if you're for it, not opposed to it." This made me want to cry.

I'm from Greece. Unfortunately mr. Varoufakis is a kind of figure that is so much needed here in my country but people are so brainwashed towards hatred and self centerism that is truly a shame. I don't agree with all of Yianis positions but i see a man with ethos unlike the vast majority of greek elected politicians. Keep fighting Yianis,whatever the result

Long live independent journalism! Long live critical thinking! Massive thx to all involved 🙌

"The Germans learned a rule not a principle..." Naomi Klein

Mr. VAROUFAKIS: admiration and respect ! People like you, Sir and Ms. Naomi Klein , and some others all over the world (Roger Waters, Jeremy Corbyn, Abby Martin, Miko Peled, M.Pappe, Gideon Levy, N. Finkelstein, JL Melenchon, S.Sarrendon, people in Ireland, South Africa, Spain, etc ...etc ) are needed to run this world. Many elections are taking place in many countries....it's up to us to reverse the"illusion of democracy" and make it "genuine democracy" by voting for the good candidates! Palestine will be free! Assange will be free ! A better world!🕊 Thank you for your commitment.

As Tony Benn said: "There are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all frighten people and secondly, demoralize them” Leaders and rulers through out history create enemies to frighten people in order to offer protection and then control them

As a German, I can say, that what Heinrich Heine said about the german ingrained obedience is seen every day. Obey the rules cause they are the rules. Thanks for the talk! Great ! Great people

I am so grateful to these people, who make me feel less alone and perplexed about what is going on. I wish I knew more people in my own life who understood…or cared about… issues raised here. I wish you a much broader audience.

19:37 Mind blown. It never occurred to me that the Germans learned an algorithm rather than a principle! I just though they knew better but could not see their hypocrisy. Perhaps Israel’s lesson was “we were victims. We deserve acts of contrition forevermore.” Neither learned that “othering” is the generator function. That is shocking to me. You’re right. It’s a teaching problem. It’s a learning problem. It’s a consciousness problem. To me, this is at the heart of the metacrisis. In the 70s when we learned not to litter, we learned a rule. We didn’t learn that our actions have consequences over time.

It’s infinitely odd is that the internet has such videos describing the state of the world, yet when I look at my local communities, there’s no acknowledgment of this at all. It's all CONSUME, CONSUME, CONSUME!!! It's as though we're living in a version of the The Truman Show.

We need people like Yanis and and Naomi live in primetime for 3 hours every night on commandeered Fox.

It provides a ray of hope, and it warms my heart to hear sensible conversations like this. The Mad Men that now control this world lack the wisdom, intelligence and compassion of this trio, to the detriment of the entire human species.

War is not peace, ignorance is not strength, slavery is not freedom. Apartheid is not democracy. A course correction is in order.

This is like therapy. Thank you from Germany.

How come no one acknowledge the work of Norman G Finklestien and Noam Chomsky too? They along with Ilan Pappe have helped me greatly to understand the situation.

Mr. #YanisVaroufakis you are doing a GREAT WORK - KEEP IT UP SIR ! ! !

Back in the early 2000s I was a young Italian living in London and Naomi Klein had such an impact shaping my political views, I cannot even begin to say how much! Just a few years later, I got involved in pro-Palestine activism. Now I find her such an inspiration on that issue as well... 😍

As an old hippie from California I so appreciate your brilliance. When I abandoned the Dems for Trump every friend and relative abandoned me. I thought it was a no-brainer but here we are years later and the bridge is even wider. I so appreciate your thoughtful discussion and kindness in the face of monsters at the door. You are on the good side full of wisdom. Godspeed.❤

Oh very dear Naomi, so glad to hear you here. it kind of soothes my heart

21:00 Perhaps the most astonishing aspects of what is going on in Palestine is the fact that with the holocaust we could have had the 'excuse' at the time that 'we didn't know' whareas now it is happening in plain sight and as such it is way more frightening. Some other types of genocidal situations are happening at the same time which we even ignore such as the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaidjan.

This is so weird for me as a native Berliner, that you got thrown out, Yannis. This used to be a place where everybody could freely express themselves. I had a jewish grandmother, Esther Goldhammel, holocaust survivor. Until the end of her days she would hold her hand over her head, trying to pull out the evil spirits, because her mind couldn't cope. And STILL she said I shall never fall into the anti-muslim propaganda and see every human being for what they are individually. She said I shall travel the world and never ever trust someone who is justifying murder. Also she was criticizing the zionist movement - for that she was harassed so badly she had to change her name into Jahn.

Bravo, all! Paul. Naomi. Yanis. You are true champions riding forth at this crucial moment. Brandishing the sword of common sense. No mean feat! Your vision, eloquence and brilliance is desperately needed, required to light our way. We are your grateful infantry. We are with you 100% 💯🙏🍀

I think Yanis is smitten with Naomi, really enjoyed his goodbye gush. Left me smiling.

Love these two, intellectuals who are intellectually honest seem harder and harder to find these decades.

When the Anglos comprehend that they are not the exceptional ones and the Jews realize or admit they are not the chosen ones the bullshit will stop. Like you say this is not new. The British and Americans have managed to blame everyone but themselves for their own sins. Stealing other people's land and resources, carpet bombing German civilians, nuking and fire-bombing Japanese civilians, blaming the Boer for apartheid, covering up the Holomodor, starving the Indians, hunting Aborigines, invading Iraq, murdering leaders that are not compliant - their crimes are many but seem to be acceptable when framed in the quest to bring liberty, freedom and democracy to the unwashed masses (who get to vote for their tormentor as a reward). Part of the problem (as Yanis should know) is the Anglo inability to speak another language and by extension understanding different cultures.

Thank you sir of your honestly and humanity ❤

Thank you Yanis!

Loving this conversation!! We need more of this team!! And what can we do?! Team work makes the dream work!

Raoul has the most beautiful eyes. They say eyes are a window to the soul, so we know his soul.

Just in case someone reads this, I bought the series from Vimeo. Watched it. Great btw! Then it disappeared. I can’t rewatch or have a watch party. Anyway, I’m excited to listen to this podcast. We Canadians are bringing some kind of Diem25 to Canada. I’m loving the idea of global solidarity and civil disobedience! ✊🏼

Thanks a lot, you and other who fight for humanity give us hope that maybe in future will be better for our kids 🙏🙏👏👏

Yanos & Raoul, bought your brilliant documentary, invited my like-minded neighbors over, and we absolutely loved every episode. #5 was incomparable! I was vividly inspired by the 1969 movie, which my high school French teacher bused our class to, twice! Riveting and eye-opening to me as a kid. And Naomi (KLEIN not Wolf!!!), I am thoroughly enjoying Doppelganger... all the more so because it's you narrating. You are all bright stars in the dark night the world lives in today. Thank you all!

🙏 Thank you so so much for this enlightening conversation 👌

All three of you are fantastic. Great job by the host. Asking thoughtful and poignant questions. Ms Klien thank you for being so brave, taking on so much pressure from the world. Yanis you are family ❤God bless you all. Free 🇵🇸

Huge respect to all three! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us.

"They learned a rule but they didn't learn a principle..."

The fight against Lebensraum Philosophy Continues.

Scary what is happening in Deutschland

Wow, I don't know why the algorithm pushed this video to me, but watching it from France, it is very interesting but also chilling !

Keep speaking sir, we admire you. The West is getting sickier by the day.

What we can all be sure of history teaching us, is that human beings can be all things at any time - our behaviour has proved consistent throughout, and we must never lose sight or regard to this.

I really appreciate acknowledging that the ibrahamic accords joke led to oct 7th, this is huge and need to be well known so we dont keep repeating the opression that america force on palestinians for decades and act surprised when things explode

Great podcasts and great insights. As a South African I missed your mentioning of the Boer wars and the women and children in concentration camps you said the British invented. A mention to that would have been informative as well. It gave rise to the Afrikaner government who came to power in 1948 and introduced Apartheid, a flawed idea of separate development. Power, money, greed, control, manipulation are at play in the world. And we all have skin in the game. The tipping point as yet to be reached. Looking forward to the future. Thank you for your fight. A Luta Continua.

Thanks to all three of you for providing such a clear, deep and humane assessment of our situation. There's a kindness that shines thru your discussion, absent in almost all political discussion now. And essential to any successful change.

As german I think "yes - we have learned the rules but forgot the principles" (if ever understood) WolliM from PB

Thanks sir for your humanity, Much of love to my friends in Greece 🇬🇷

Naomi is always so refreshing to here from. She's a grounding voice in this world and I'm so grateful for her work. Love and solidarity to you both x

A wonderful combination of minds, thank you.

This conversation exemplifies the importance of the nurishment that is derived from free speech. My conclusions & view points differ from many of these people. Their thoughts are the ones I must hear because we differ. Minds flourish when fed well. While I disagree with most of Naomi's ideas, we agree 100% about genocide & zionism. Thank you for airing this exchange.

The repeating cycle that causes the geopolitical and social conditions we both feed and feed off, is a 'culture' we self police and reinforce, ourselves. This 'thing' actually is like a many-headed beast that has, in effect, possessed humanity 'forever'. Or so it seems. It is a huge evolutionary stumbling block, a distraction from what truly matters. We live in ignorance rather than consciousness, and this is both the larger and underlying issue that perpetuate species failure. The clarity and intuition achieved here is necessary. Necessary to facilitate change and redesign of systems that enslave us. To find a rational path out of this nightmare. Learning through suffering is no longer a rational way for our species to proceed/evolve. Thank you all. Please please do not stop trying. What we hold in our heart and place in our mind, matters.

Soul (and mind) food. Thank you very much ❤

Amazing Naomi and Yanis. Very stimulating intellectually

For an exceptionally wonderful conversation from the three of you, my respect

In the spirit of full circles, and history doubling, I wonder if Yanis feels a moment of glee at Naomi bringing up The Matrix, knowing that he may have given the creators the idea while teaching at University of Sydney

Thanks for the podcast guys. Would be wonderful if you'd add subtitles at some major languages.

You guys are great!!! very inspiring to see independent thinking and journalism

Thank you so much for the excellent video. Love Naomi Klein. So powerful and important.

So inspiring and so true! The lesson is not "don't be mean to Jews", it is "don't create the conditions that led to the extermination of the Jews"

Yes big difference between a rule and a principle....a salient observation and very relevant on teaching about genocide from Nazi WWII

A great discussion. Its fantastic to find such useful content on this site. Thank you.

You should upload this to the usual podcast platforms (I use Google podcasts, but there are also spotify etc)

The Podcast is a GREAT IDEA MR. VAROUFAKIS !!! I'm looking forward to the coming Episodes ♥🌹🦋

As a German lefty, i don't know how i can ever again listen to any of the "We have to stand up for freedom against the far right" pablum without it sounding unbelievably hollow.

I'm thankful this is available in Podcast (audio) also. Thank you.

We are over-ruled and over-regulated to the point that most people have given up on real thinking. Go to work, tick all the boxes you're expected to, go home, get paid. Quiet life. Try thinking or questioning, get a reputation as a trouble maker, worry about losing your job. This applies to so many arenas now: politicians, doctors (bee in my bonnet about those at the moment), all large corporates, many places of learning. Endless. Stops all creativity, and achieving meaningful communication and outcomes. Creates societies of automatons focused on what the screen says. We won't notice when AI takes over.

Thank you both and thank you for your much needed leadership ❤

Naomi Klein..."Learning the rule of the Holocaust but not the principle." Also, a white genocide vs. a brown genocide. My how we divert shame and cherry pick our genocides. A discussion I had not expected.

Thanks a lot!! Hug from México

I think that a debate between someone like Roberto Unger, the writer of the book The Knowledge Economy, and Yanis Varoufakis would very interesting.

Thank you all for your analysis,, clever directed clear minded people,

Finally, analysis with actual intelligence. You just got a new subscriber

Uber is a taxi company that doesn't have a single car...GREAT POINT!

Thank you so, so much, Naomi.

this was amazing. thanks!

Thank you, both ❤🎉🙏

great program.thank you so much.looking forward to❤ watch the serial❤❤

T8:18 It is called "negative feedback loop" in systems analysis. (It is actually a positive feedback loop because the process reinforces itself and grows).

I enjoyed this dialogue and recognized Raoul efforts to try to bring us further along. Yet, as nice as conversation can be it hasn’t the vitality we need to move forward in changing the situation we all are in. A great thinker Nadera Shaloub-Kervokian has written every thing we need to know about the situation in Gaza, the necro-terrorist politics of Israel, the new active feminist perspective we need to infuse our thinking with, the reflection a Bookchin brought to social ecological democracy, what women are effectively doing in Iran, in Afghanistan, in Kurdistan with their hands, soul and courage. Socialism has been vegetating far far too long in a bourgeois frame of mind. So it was interesting to a point but it wasn’t feeding the will for change as Iranian women have.. and yes, there is a very high price to pay for change. It’s not comfortable, it’s need work of the heart i.e. collective courage. We need to head that way.

Yanis is obsessed with tech. I prefer Naomi’s take. Loved her take on left and right as well.

I love this podcast! Keep on ❤ Thank-you.

About 9:30 Yanis comments on the bank bailouts. Contentious at the time and to this day, no doubt, and certainly seemed like a much bigger number at the time ($700b for the banks). What hurt was no bailout for the foreclosed. Definitely a mishandled crisis. The ACA was more contentious (and costlier). The Afghanistan was only 7 years old, and Iraq 5 years old at that time, and Syria hadn't even begun rumbling yet. The wars are pretty roundly panned these days across the isles for various reasons, but when you inflate their debt, they are half the national debt. They make the bailouts look like a speed bump. On the order of around 50 times more expensive, and it's half the millstone around the neck of the debt today. 2008 was definitely mishandled, but in conjunction of what became of the wars, it was insult to injury in terms of economic impact. Yanis not wrong, out of touch liberalism is in its halcyon then and now, I just wanted to add some hindsight context to the egregiousness of the bailouts, it wasn't the sum of money that hurt, it was who got bailed out and who didnt get bailed out that hurt, in top of the lost limbs and economic limbs caused by the wars. Republican conservatives probably wouldn't mind "socialism" if it actually benefitted them, but instead it's inept liberalism and it hurts all of us.

Speaking of tech, and algorithms, they're not always a bad thing. UKposts has an algorithm, and thanks to it I found this podcast. I find it incredibly important and useful for my information gathering at this time in history.

this was a really great episode, powerful minds, powerful times... gl anons

So insightful! Great minds and advocates all around! Thanks

Thank you for a great show.

Ευχαριστούμε θερμά!!!

I want to be swimming with you to catch the next wave! Love to both! Uniting for the future of humanity. I am watching this space.

What an important discussion!

How is it that some of us have no problem getting it and others are completely oblivious? I have little formal education, yet I’ve always been acutely aware of the collective suicidal tendencies of our human race.

BRILLIANT!!!! I'll watch the film next! ❤❤❤

This was great. Thanks!

Thank you for this fantastic talk

Great episode, can't wait to watch the series!

And now, Iran and WWIII. 2008, Covid, climate change, my kids are screwed. Love your work Yanis!

I think Naomi is being simplistic. International power games are not ethical. I think Biden has shifted a LOT. The American people are disgusted by Israel/Netanyahu. The genocide in Gaza is horrific. But there is the Mid-East instability and power brokers that have to be considered as well. None of this mess is occurring in a vacuum. But I am grateful to hear these points of view.

What a great conversation! Bravi!

Love the Trekkie reference for cloud capital😂

'They learned a rule but not a principle.' Brilliant.

doom loop yes. bingo naomi. love yanis too. great video!