Bob did a lot better than I thought though.

Bob needs to stay away from craps tables

OUTRAGEOUS!

That was badass. He needs a "I will not die" quite or something.

Would've been epic on the green screen

Bodger used the power of friendship and memories like a true anime hero xD

He's quite literally too angry to die.

Rob DMed this so well

Loved that part. Plus him and Bob almost dying together from his hammer, and Bob ultimately killing him. Very happy that Bob put up a good fight.

Good to know he’s so hard to kill for the endgame battles!

@@VivaLaDirtLeagueDnD I think Bodger will need more gambling after this. No way to hit that high ever again

Should have let him roll that last time for a nat 20....

Now we all understand why the God of Arena [Which was F'ing Laethil] was also so invested.

That I think is quite in line with reformed Greg, and I'm glad you pointed it out because I didn't think of that as a consequence of that choice.

The reverse gravity thing sucked but it was unlucky: This happened because all of these things alligned: - greg didnt engage in most of the fight so ended up stayed on high hp and resources but in turn he didnt really get much action + reverse gravity combines badly with the falling houserule + rob hadnt encountered reverse gravity spell combining with his falling damage house rule before because its a high level spell used rarely + greg missed the save which if he made he would have taken 0 damage from it + greg didnt have any lucky tokens left to reroll it + greg and the rest of the table forgot greg has a lifewell tattoo that would have made him only go to 1 hp + greg happened to not be under a roof + rob didnt realize fast enough that a des macina token there would be ideal Was unfortunate. But random things line up sometimes in both good and bad ways. Such is life. We can learn: - update reverse gravity for the house rules - engage in fights early on so you experience more back and forth... especially if the game is time limited - if you die suddenly, check your character sheet, you may have something that solves it that you just forgot.

@@Dogo.R haha I'm aware. It's just a nice thematic that he was vulnerable because he stepped out for bodger. If he had attacked bob, stayed near his guardian or stayed in the ice portal he would have been fine. I know enough about DND to know PvP is always plain messy

They also didn’t roll for Greg’s Blink effect in the last few rounds. It might have meant that Baradun couldn’t see him

Greg did roll for blink and did not before the round ended. Greg could have been screwed still had the terrain changed but it didn’t at the top of the last round

Based on batteries dying and needing power packs etc. think it had been going for a long time and they just wanted to wrap it up. Less entertaining though I agree

I agree, hated the ending of this.... I was so hyped, I voted for Bob to win. Felt so lame....

agree, so sorry that Bob died from lightning! Bob hides very well, and Baradun couldn't blink anymore... Bob could win

@@kohekuyamanaka8939 And Bara was low on spells.

YES. PvP ends with EVERYONE dying

Actually, having that during all fights would be awesome... I'd definitely enjoy seeing that.

Thx, was gonna say that

That would be very helpful.

I don't know how much work it'd be, but it'd be awesome if we got an overlay that tracks everything, such as hp, spell slots, rage, calephac tokens, and sorcery points

Absolutely! It would make the whole thing so much better. Now I just follow the jokes, but I'm always puzzled what the actual D&D situation is.

that was cheating ! baradoon had no way of knowing bob was there if bob cant see him. plus bob has uncanny dodge on melee attacks. he could had tried to dodge.

They probably had to wrap up on this episode but Baradun DEFINETELY cheated his way to victory on many instances.

I mean, i wouldnt call that cheating either, more like a weird decision, unless you are talking about some other instance?

​@@HCXWinchesterwhich is what exactly Baradun would do lmao.

Totally agree, don't get why the Machina token was not used for Greg 😢😢 He played so well!

Yeah plus he got screwed by Rob's falling rules which make Reverse Gravity very OP. Normally that 100 ft fall would be 10d6 dmg, Rob's rules (which are better except for this spell) were 55d3? so that's an average of 35 vs 110.

I think they were running out of time and needed it to finish soon at that point. Rob probably would have used a token to half the damage or something if they didn't have to wrap up.

Yeah, he's life domain as well. He could have instantly recovered 50% HP with a channel divinity charge. Oh well, I got the sense they were running out of time and needed it to end.

Btw I do want to state I don't blame Rob for the way it turned out, since they were going for a long time already and handling that fight must've been exhausting, but I do blame the incident for Greg's loss. Without that he probably would've won. Adam and Alan both cheated/ignored the rules though, Adam not dropping the dragon's concentration a bunch of times, Alan blatantly using spells that he doesn't have (Blink lol). Not sure if Rowan or Ben did sneaky stuff.

It was very amazing to watch but some points that should be reminder for next time: 1: CONCENTRATION ADAM… he used two spells that use concentration. 2 overall ability’s… bobs sneak attack can only happens once a turn so Bodger would have not taken sneak damage on the second hit. This along with danger sense, castings spells when raging, bodders exhaustion.

​@@marijnschotsman5122those are easy to miss when you're in the heat of the game, especially in the DM's position

I know it’s pretty hard to manage everything but still I think you should do things like make tokens to remember ability’s or concentration.

@@marijnschotsman5122 yeah, I'm equally annoyed by how Rob misses a lot of those things. But I just try to shrug it all off tbh as long as everyone's having fun

@@marijnschotsman5122 What timestamp are you referring to? I think I missed that one. Because the exception to that rule is crit hits. From the section on crit rules: "If the attack involves other damage dice, such as from the rogue's Sneak Attack feature, you roll those dice twice as well." [EDIT] Aah, noticed it now, you mean the Action Surge. Yep, you're correct, that would not have triggered. The only other ways I could find to trigger Sneak Attack more than once is with the Ready action, or a 17th level Rogue which can have one for the action, bonus action and reaction.

I mean, if he hadn't gone to heal Bodger he wouldn't have died and likely would have won the whole thing.

i know man, i was rooting for Greg. Magic OP pls nerf :D

@@Enclave. I mean if he could see the future that'd be legit criticism. But just saying he should have always stayed in a safe spot on the off chance Bardun was looking to abuse a little known house rule and spell combo is a bit much to ask.

@@Migolcow It's not even about seeing the future, he was in a solid spot, there was no need to go revive Bodger. It was needless risk.

lmao

There for another 8 hours 😅

The fact that greg summoned him with the sole intention of hitting anyone who passed by and he didn't even hit anything for once for the entire game is just ridiculous 🤣

@@velrynrockbellit still kept every other PC from going through a door that entire time while Greg was able to use the doors freely. It may not have been as effective as it could have been, but for a "cast and forget" spell it definitely still served a purpose.

Baradun definitely got the easier bias, I was hoping Bodger would remember that he could move to where Baradun blinked and hold his attack until Baradun reappeared to minimise the blink advantage

@@the_blind_scout only because he can range attack, but blink has a nice sized radius for reappearing and could easily be out of line of sight.

Oh,not at all, The magic missiles, against bodgers con save to stay up, that sould have been at least 3 missiles to save. I saw a ruling earlier in the fight that I thought wasted a spell too. So yeah, no bias, just alot of rules missed or what not. But that's not unexpected. So many things to remember. Over all fun to watch!

Same with wild surges…sooo many werent done

Average damage for RAW is 35. 10d6 for a 100 foot fall.

@@ZeusBrown absolutely, I was thinking about 10d10. My mistake

In a PvP like this you should avoid using house rules as much as possible, when considering spells. They are unbalanced enough on their own... But I guess Greg vs Baradun would have been very slow and anticlimatic fight...

Why waste time with the Campaign? Episode 1 - Baradun pushes Laethil off the tower. 1000 fall damage, Laethil dead.

@@SevernSSO featherfall, probably.

Ah yes, a lvl 20 spellcaster can't cast counterspell. Indeed, this is the man that threw the previous high sorcerer into the abyss and turned him into another dark lord and managed to trick the next high sorcerer into stealing all his powers. Defeated, by a lvl 7 spell.

This is a good constructive idea!

An assistant DM is definitely a good idea. It would be helpful not only in situations like this, but also when there are multiple friendly NPCs on the board as well.

Also a thing that can help too, to help people remember is little tag markers people can place near their characters and don’t take up to much space. Since I play both DnD and Battletech, I use these things in BT to help note the many things that can happen (penalties for heat, piloting rolls, prone mechs, uncon pilots, etc. It’s just a small square or rectangular plastic marker with either a universal symbol everyone can understand or better a very notable word/penalty on it. Since I had these I’ve used them for DnD and they help so much for Tabletop vs rings as people forget rings or what they mean easily. However, seeing the word concentration beside their characters people are more easy to remember the rules or point it out as a reminder for people, plus it comes in handy for quickly being able to place/remove. Also a small thing to help too, is create spell cards for people that have just the relevant information on them. Good example here which could have effected a lot is Baradun’s concentration for both his dragon and hold spells. Having a small card he can look at/ play that notes them both as concentration spells that he, others or the GM can note and go “oh you can play this but it cancels your other one” really works at keeping players consistent and more focused at learning their spells. Same can apply to stuff like Shield of Faith where you just place the DC con check on it (or leave it blank and let them mark them themselves based on relevant rolls) as such when it’s needed to be rolled instead of having to repeat the number as they will forget constantly you just say “look at your card” and since it becomes a constant process they do such naturally as time progresses, improving speed of play and learning. Also helps with just natural learning as instead of having to read past fluff and such, it’s just all the relevant rolls, damage and details layed out simply. I.e. Eldritch Blast Lvl - (insert player lvl) No of Att = Action Cost: 1 Action Range/Area: 120ft Duration: Instant Attack Roll: D20+MoD+Bonus vs AC Effect: 1D10 Force Damage Simple, easy to reference and note. And you can have fun playing them at people. Plus it’s nice to show everyone so they can learn too and see the rules to check everything is square too.

It would be helpful if the party actually remember how to play their characters instead of turning to Rob. Most battles he has to remind them how to operate their own characters with everything else.

A great idea for the final battle also.

I imagine the reason he was able to get that 2nd Sneak Attack was those hero tokens, in Rob's games they don't work quite like Inspiration, they seem quite better.

T'wasn't a whim but a very cold calculated end game move. I mean he did kill a whole village of children one time.

@@Enclave. For sure. Which to be fair I actually kind of like. Hero tokens should feel, well, heroic. Something beyond the realm of normal. It's just in PvP things like that get wonky.

He aint got time to die

I like it but Baradun loses -1 charisma because he is infinitely more arrogant 😂😂

Did you watch the video? It has ties to the campaign and no further ties should be made imo. It was supposed to just be a non-cannon event so they could do some real PVP.

@@PowerSenpai admittedly I wrote the comment before the final bit that connected to the main plot. Greg's god and of course bobs patron could still have witnessed this via godly powers and potentially Greg's god could even show the characters these events in a dream vision to show them their enemy is studying them

Yeah, I think I agree. I haven't had anyone use it before, since I switched up how I do fall damage.

@@RobertHartleyGM it was still a frickin' great game....with plenty of laughs. Good job all around on everyone's part. You guys got me into DnD during the pandemic, thanks for that!

Yeah lightning shouldn't have struck once Bodger was down and Bob was so low

DM took out Bob in PvP. Guy cant catch a break.

If anything, he could have just finished off Greg who was down or just not done anything since they were at the end.

Exactly, my bet was on Greg. I remember that Rob's gravity rules are more damage than DnD (from the Bodger/airship incident.) In this instance, I think that specific rule is what did Greg in. It is 1d6 damage per 10 feet. So 10d6. Average 55 damage. Even that would have left Greg 50 hps to heal back up. Baradun was out of spells....and Greg still had a lot left. I definitely think the unavoidability of that radius on this map-- and the added gravity damage was absolutely unfair for a one-shot on Greg with 100hps.

@@markbrown3839 hahah still makes sense that such a high level Spell would be so powerful and congrats to Adam to using the mechanics of the world in a smart way and some innovative combat !!

@@markbrown3839 Exactly, he could have won on turn 1 with this spell. Everything seemed fair until he casted this 1 shot spell.

Totally agree, think it was particularly bad that Rob let Baradoun do max damage on the falling damage despite it only being a few seconds since casting, should have given Greg a chance at least.

@@markbrown3839and Rob was giving everyone an opportunity to get back up for a final stand, should've done that for Greg when he fell

2nd this, they should definitely put it as a reward goal sometime, as there are moments in this match that would be epic as green screen moments

It would have been epic.

Yes, in the future if there is a 2nd episode, please add green screens!

It's a 7th level spell which is kinda save or suck...

Now think about levitate....

If Greg had succeeded on that Dex save, he would have taken no dmg at all. It's a risky spell.

He should have at least used his ex machina to make Greg barely survive it

Rob has home rules regarding gravity and fall damage. In regular D&D it isn't anywhere near as realistic, but in this game it is OP. It should be 10d6 damage (33 damage) instead of 110 damage. Adam took advantage of a broken home rule to win.

well he is a life cleric, and this particular god wanted death so... kinda makes sense

He did get one, he used it to make an attack against Bob hit

@@florianluhring683 that was his hero token, right? Not the god tokens Rob had.

@@alexj1989 ah yes, sorry, you‘re right. was thinking and assuming you meant Hero Token and apparently just stopped reading. So yeah, no god Token, actually quite unfair

The fall damage seemed very high. 55d3 for a 100 foot fall seems like something exponential, rather than the regular 5e rules, although I'm not even sure what the regular 5e rules are exactly.

@@dd7896yeah, Rob does not like flat damage for falling, you are on the money when you say he uses exponential maths, because that’s how normal physics work

He took a bunch of hits , so one shot is a little innacurrate

​@@DefnitelyNotFredpeople survive falling out of airplanes without any of the magic. Air resistance puts you at a max falling speed, after which it's all about the impulse of the landing. The fall damage should maybe be less than 5e, unless you've got a hard landing

​@@msharp6887no it was pretty much a one shot. Greg had 90+ hp

Rob homebrewed it. Like if Bodger fell from the airship, he would die raging or not.

@@Vermouth_19 yeah I know, the airship was instakill because it was way too high. Greg was 100ft. This way the reverse gravity is even more powerfull than Desintegrate and Harm. Would like to know how the damage works, though, if Rob could post it for us to see.

@@thiagoboltbh Rob did talk about his fall rules in the Behind the Screen series, you can check the playlist on this channel

@@Vermouth_19 thanks, gonna have a look later!

Rob has his own rules for fall damage that are much more realistic. RAW, it isn't particularly difficult to survive even hitting the ground at terminal velocity. He probably needs to re-evaluate the interaction between that and reverse gravity, because it makes reverse gravity much more powerful.

Personally I'd prefer instant kills (if a character had over 50% of their max hit points) to reduce a character to 10% of their max hit points or something rather than just killing them outright

It was my max level spell which I had been holding back for the perfect moment. Using my highest resource in the game to win when no other tokens were left was my plan from the beginning. If I failed my roll and Greg had outright killed me with Harm (his second-to max level spell) in the second episode I doubt anyone would be pissed

@VivaLaDirtLeagueDnD Adam I am not saying it was the wrong move. I am just saying it really felt like a shift in the atmosphere and the episode when it happened. I also agree you going down in episode two would of sucked also. In the end it was one moment in one video. I will still watch every episode on both channels.

​@@zartu4208I think they were all more than ready for it to be over. I don't think they had factored in everyone spending most of their turns drinking health potions!

Yeah I think it was the right time to wrap it up. Great fun to watch and yes displaying health would help. My gut feel was that everyone was near max health going into the last episode but that wasn't the case. A question though, would the reverse gravity spell have pretty much instant killed (or close to) Greg and Bodger if used in the first round (and also Bob if he didn't have such high dexterity or the featherfall ring)?

just made it feel very anti-climatic maybe letting it go on a bit longer or paused and taken the session back up it could have been wrapped up more enjoyable. plus that dragon was very meta game

Greg had always been my Favorite Character in this. He is the TRUE Hero of the Campaign!

@@onecoolboy98he better become high sorcerer

@@user-iu6sd8su3e I would honestly LOVE that! Everyone around him would be speechless, except Greg will be driven insane by the knowledge that being High Sorcerer brings. (Like the fact that he's trapped in a video game.👀)

@@onecoolboy98 haha. Yeah baradun doesn’t seem to be arcing like he should to be the protagonist

@@user-iu6sd8su3e We see Baradune become the new Garlic Farmer of Honeywood!

It’s usually powerful but Rob changed the damage for falling which usually makes more sense but really messes up the balance for that spell

that wouldn't be any less powerful, they would just be hanging in the air for a turn unable to do much before falling and dying anyway, its made OP here by robs hombrew fall damage rules

A spell can't force the caster to concentrate on it, as far as I know, and it's as Rob says, it costs nothing and takes no time to NOT think of something, there is no escaping that

@@vincenturquhart1370 not necessarily, if you have a turn you can 1) turn into a bat; 2) dimension door; 3) blink; 4) try to float a couple of feet to be over a swamp and not over the stone slabs

@@Bazzilic good point yeah although blinking wouldn't work as you would immediately fall to your death in the ethereal plane.

I'm mad, Greg deserved the win

My thought as well. I am on Team Greg too, but Baradun did defeated Greg with a legitimately very powerful spell.

Kudos to Baradun for taking someone out with a 23AC.

I expect him to be thrown so off guard in their actual final encounter because they are too compitant here compared their actions in the main campaing.😂 “I see the simulation over estimated your competance. And I under estimated your stupidity.”

@@onecoolboy98 huh my simulations showed baradun was the most powerful of your group. i can not believe it is bodger.

@@williamscott2580 "WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY?! A Mere Garlic Farmer worth 5 Gold, whom nobody knows, was able to best Me, Layathal, soon to be High Sorcerer?! How can he possibly call upon the gods? This will not stand." cut to Greg "Aw Biscuits!"

@@onecoolboy98 omg yes i love that more. though still waiting for the cross over with girls campaign for greg to go all business vs archer. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T LIKE GARLIC AND FISH??? NUM NUM NUM!

he's cheats gave him like 100 in damages

Yeah I like playing sorcerer and was rooting for Baradun but there was quite a lot that went his way both in broken / misapplied rules and lack of intervention from the "god". It really didn't feel right for Greg to get one shot and the final strike from god to take out BOB when him and Baradun could have had a final face off was really disappointing.

we dont expect balance game since this is first time. even MOBA game make changes every TI after rv pro player performance

I agree it felt a bit crazy Greg getting one shot and would’ve been a good time for a god token to like half dmg but I don’t like blaming the homebrew gravity system like it’s a bad thing when rob first showed us it in the campaign everyone was saying how great of an idea it was and now they’re taking shots at it like they would’ve predicted this and accounted for it

That reverse gravity was absolutely unexpected. Maximum OOF

Poor Adam was so nervous. It's not selective memory, it's brain-ular meltdown.

Though... you're right in that sorcerors are either played by inexperienced players who don't remember, or very experienced players who know every loophole. Sorcerors always broken, just not always on purpose.

yeah I was suprised by other people targeting each other when killing baradun would get rid of the dragon

@@FaultAndDakranon I'm glad at least someone in these comments recognizes this. This was 4+ hours of DnD combat. Even Rowan was getting visibly restless by the end and he was playing a Barbarian with a flow chart. It seems like most of the comment section wanted Greg to win, and I did to (Tank/Support crew for life), but nothing Adam and Rob did was malicious. It was a fun thing they did and I really enjoyed it. I'm sure they spent the next hour or so bantering about how it would/should have gone different.

don't forget greg having a death ward tattoo

I'll add that a lot of "stay in the same space" damage was missed, mostly at the end with Baradun staying in ice for ~8 rounds. Things happen, but it was still a fun experience!

I couldn’t get passed his seemingly unlimited spells slots! He even ate at least 1 to get back sorc points. Overall a pretty hilarious battle though.

I didn't like how pretty much every time Bob hid everyone found him and got him anyway

7) Baradun not losing his first dragon after casting Hold Monster on Rowan

Absolutely... Baradun just aoe everything felt so lame... Adding to the boring dragon...

Eh tbh outside of its utility it’s like a stronger disintegrate now if the save it does zero dmg but has potential for big dmg

@@TheGamingplayer12 It's a lot more powerful than desintegrate. Avarage disintegrate does 73 dmg on a single target. This does on avarage 110 dmg (plus dmg of objects they hit the way between floor and ceiling!) on targets in huge 50 foot radius. Dex save is only if you have something to grab into. If targets succeeds in dex save you can leave the spell to keep them pinned down. You should compare it to something like 9th level Meteor Swarm - 140 dmg on avarage, 70 dmg on succesful dex save, but you can always make a dex save radius is smaller (40 foot), and no additional utility. Overall, new Reverse Gravity is equal to at least 8th if not 9th level spell. On a top of that, as I mentioned before, spell is only a part of the reason.

He did mention readying an action but chose not to

​@callumhogan2428 mentioned the one time the 23 ac character blinked, but conveniently never brought it up when the guys were complaining about the 12 ac character doing it like 7 times

@AdDecent6376 I mean he did have to use a luck point to actually blink and that was after his shield of faith ran out or was about to. Misunderstood what you meant Rob mentioned a break I'm sure they were reminded about it during that break or something

Yep! Once again demonstrating how vital it is to remember your abilities and features!

I thought that too lol

Since magic missile hits multiple times I was kinda hoping he’d just do like a third level magic missile and make him do 5 con saves + 1 from the dragon without any rolling on his end. Also since he’s not a barbarian you’ve gotta cut him some slack with the rage thing.

​@@stevefilms1997Magic missiles hits all at once so would have just been one con save for the attack

Plus he used at least 18 sorcery points, when he should only have 13

He traded some spell slots for extra sorcery points @@AdDecent6376

@@AdDecent6376 He can convert spell slots into sorcery points with a bonus action as a sorcerer

In a simulation, no less...

It's like getting shot in anime. You can get sliced up and run through with swords all day, but when the bad guy shoots your nakama in the back with a gun suddenly phoenix down does fuck all. With the standard rules Bodger can literally throw himself from the sky like he did once already, but given average or lower damage he wouldn't even get knocked out by the impact. Is it consistent? No, but for some reason having falling damage be unrealistic feels more egregious than having weapon damage be unrealistic.

And cheating by "forgetting" things

@@TheArdor That's a bit mean

@@netenes1 but accurate man was straight up doing that

what can you say, high level casters are bonkers and well known for solving whole encounters with single spell (mass suggestion, wall of force, reverse gravity, maelstrom, power words and many more...) If this fight was on level 9, I wouldnt bet on baradun actually :D

@@christmascritters3691wild magic sorcerer specifically given all the wild surges you have to remember you do tend to forget things.

naaahhh

Gee, spoilers!

Thanks for the spoiler…

Watch the video before reading the comments.

​@GamingwithStilez kinda hard to say that when this comment shows in full under the video without even opening the comments

Oh, i did not realise that. Might have been that it showed by you at the time you watched the episode. For me, it was way down the list. And there were several spoiler comments. Happens.

I love that u use Laethil first name XD

Palette was described as a mid-level functionary of the family, so maybe he has ambitions towards a higher rank, maybe even getting rid of Owain. 🤔

@@yiztj1259 - makes sense, given that Yoren Laethil was also at that fateful dinner.

That's what I was immediately thinking too lol I thought they are allied with BATD!

That made me awfully happy.

What were the two things this time? 😳

​​@@VivaLaDirtLeagueDnD No he didn't! I was confused by the earlier Draconic spirit snafu. Draconic spirit is a 5th level spell, so can only be cast twice a day at Baradun's level, so I thought he hadn't disappeared, because it would have been a 3rd casting. But it wasn't a 3rd casting, due to the earlier error? -.- So.. yeah. 😅

Hold Monster + Draconic Spirit