Orange Pi 800: ARM Keyboard Computer

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The Orange Pi 800 is an ARM SBC housed in a keyboard, and hence a competitor to the Raspberry Pi 400. This video reviews its specification, takes a look inside, and includes demos and tests running Ubuntu and Manjaro.
The Orange Pi 800 featured in this video was purchased from AliExpress.
You can learn more about the Orange Pi 800 on its web pages here: www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare...
My previous review of the competitor Raspberry Pi 400 is here:
• Raspberry Pi 400: New ...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Unboxing
03:04 Specification
07:02 Tear down
08:25 eMMC Boot (Ubuntu)
15:28 VGA SBC
17:30 Manjaro
19:10 Wrap
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@paulbillingham4594
@paulbillingham4594 Рік тому
Hi Chris WHAT WOULD I USE MY ORANGE PI FOR? I have a Raspberry pi 400 which has been amazing and I gave this to my grandsons as they are learning coding. It gets used as my daughters household computer. I have ordered an Orange Pi for my work working in a Children's Hospital. It will be used on a TV as a media player and connected to printer and WiFi. It will be used for open source basic gaming and just about as much as any desktop computer as these SBC's are just as capable as spending £100's. Love your channel and content and have learnt so much. Am writing this using Linux Mint on an ancient Dell which I have upgraded using the knowledge you have shared with the world on your channels. Thank You
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Great to hear this -- sounds like your Orange Pi 800 will be put to very good use.
@andrey_pav
@andrey_pav Рік тому
Best comment !😊
@giannismentz3570
@giannismentz3570 Рік тому
This is probably the best gift you could give to kids. It's inexpensive, you get them this and a couple of related books, or I don't know a list of websites they could learn stuff about linux, programming, and mame games, and just let them do their thing. They'll do far better than if you get them expensive iphones and ipads, trust me, this will make them engineers the iphones will make them dumb. I'm in my 40s and I still like this computer, it reminds me of the past, I started on something similar to this.
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 Рік тому
This is truly wonderful. Back in 1983 I had to buy my own home computer and really benefited from learning with it. That's why the PI was made in the first place, to be the BBC B for this new generation. I think it's mostly been used by people who had home computers in the 1980's so it's excellent that you are helping children have this experience.
@becconvideo
@becconvideo Рік тому
I have spent my home office working days at my balcony using my Raspberry Pi 400 - connected to my work environment via kvm/Spice. Really nice as I can go inside, pick up the session and carry on at any time. What I don't like with my Raspberry Pi 400: the space bar has issues (as you mention it in the video - it shows me that it is not my unit only) and the machine is a bit too week - though it runs a WebRTC video conference. A basic audio in/out helps taking a call immediately before switching to Bluetooth. So the Orange PI could be an alternative if it was available with German localised keyboard 😞But hopefully the hear our cries and bring out versions in mayor languages...
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Рік тому
I really like the fact it has a speaker, headphone jack, and full size HDMI. For an educational setting, even just having the built in headphone jack makes this much easier to pick up and use.
@johnnyquattro
@johnnyquattro Рік тому
Welcome Mr Ansible, your book came in handy in my time at Bloomberg - cheers Re: the OrangePI, Would consider purchasing it for the connectivity options alone, so long as it comes with the quotation marks on Shift 2 (instead of @)
@SergiuszRoszczyk
@SergiuszRoszczyk Рік тому
I like the fact that they put full size HDMI. Mic/speaker is nice to have for all in one experiment. I miss full size GPIO but on the other hand 26 pin is enough. I think Pi Foundation could have made Pi400 more desktop friendly rather than just enclosing Pi4 in a keyboard. Anyway I have two of them and use them as a handy experiment solution.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings Jeff. I hope that life is treating you well. :)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers Hello! Life has treated me better :( - surgery this week. But hopefully after my body's sorted all that out, I'll have a bit better year in 2023!
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Рік тому
@@geocam2 To be fair, of all the Pi models (outside the microcontrollers), the Pi 400 has been the only one that seems to be available here and there most everywhere. It's a popular format, but much less so than the smaller SBCs in the model B or Compute Module form factor.
@LandNfan
@LandNfan Рік тому
One thing I liked about my Raspberry Pi 400 was the programming software pre installed. I bought it mainly to dabble with programming again after a 13 year hiatus since I retired. After 34 years of programming I didn’t think I would miss writing code. Now the old dog wants to learn some new tricks.
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 Рік тому
A PI 400 supports a Pico like it's Mini Me. Connect the £5 Pico and write the programs using the PI. Rapid Electronics have them in stock.
@backgammonbacon
@backgammonbacon Рік тому
@@wayland7150 The Pico works with any computer as its connected by USB. Python editors that work seamlessly with it exist for all operating systems. There is nothing special about the Pi and Pico matchup.
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 Рік тому
@@backgammonbacon There is, the PI comes with it ready to use. Having a shallow ramp rather than a steep step learning curve is key. When you booted a home computer from 1983 it went straight to BASIC where you could either LOAD a program or type in your own. No installing libraries or cloning source from GitHub, you were in the development environment instantly. In order to get the Pico with MMBASIC to work on my Linux Mint computer I struggled to get Minicom to work for some time before trying another computer then trying Cutecom then Putty under WINE then eventually discovering Putty for Linux which worked. Once I got there it was easy but getting there was unnecessarily challenging. Handing a child a PI 400 and a Pico kit would get them off to a better start.
@raresoupninja
@raresoupninja 5 місяців тому
@@wayland7150 as does the orange pi installing the ide dependencies is a easy task and suggesting the more expensive one you sell is greasy hope he bought eles ware with helpful knowledgeable honest staff
@K9TheFirst1
@K9TheFirst1 Рік тому
I always think it's wild seeing machines like the PI400 and PI800, where it's a single board PC built inside the keyboard. It's like the 80's are back and brought their computers with them.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
:)
@sambranton3346
@sambranton3346 Рік тому
The pi400 first impression was that it was a less colourful zx spectrum. These will become highly collectable someday that's for sure.
@NewAgeDIY
@NewAgeDIY Рік тому
As always, you deliver the Sunday morning tech news that puts a smile on everyone’s face. Great review of a new exciting SBC. Thanks Chris.
@DevilsHandyman
@DevilsHandyman Рік тому
Just pulled my Raspberry Pi 400 from the shelf and started it up again this past week. I think what I'd like them to change is add a M.2 for storage and double the memory.
@jmwintenn
@jmwintenn Рік тому
i really appreciate all the zooms you do in your videos. sometimes i start looking at something else on the screen and the zoom helps reel me in and stay on track.
@McRocket
@McRocket Рік тому
You are - by FAR - my 'Go To' channel for all things SBC. Thank you for this. ☮
@rutkowskir
@rutkowskir Рік тому
There was a very good Tech show here in the U.S. called Screensavers. It delved into technical issues and programing which was very informative. The show stopped new episodes several years ago. But I have to say Chris, you picked up the slack! There are very little productions as yours out there for the technical audience and I appreciate your wide range of subjects and ideas. Thank you!! RIch
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks Rich.
@timmooney7528
@timmooney7528 Рік тому
Leo Laporte has a blog called This Week in Tech (TWiT) and occasionally has guest stars dating back to the old TechTV days
@kattz753
@kattz753 Рік тому
It looks like 2023 is going to be Rockchip's year and Orange Pi is going to be a big part of that. So far, the 800 has had great reviews. There is a lot of interest in the Orange Pi 5 too, with the new RK3588S chip. I bought a Pi 400 when I realized that even those were becoming scarce. I was a bit sorry that I didn't get this one instead. I have also pre-ordered the Orange Pi 5. I'm Canadian and winter is coming. I'll have something to do while hibernating.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks for this. I too have ordered an Orange Pi 5 . . . looks good. :)
@clark-r
@clark-r Рік тому
Great overview; as always. Pleased to see the video playback is quite usable, and I really like the Ubuntu they ship- very snappy. Thanks for sharing! May just pick one of these up for a living room toy. Not to mention, excellent conversation piece for family visits.
@tech29X
@tech29X Рік тому
Thank you for taking the time and comparing different distros on Pi800. I think full size HDMI port is very nice to have, many homes that has DVD or Bluray players or gaming consoles, one can hook up Orange Pi to TV easily.
@KingTrump2024
@KingTrump2024 Рік тому
Had a Pi400 since they came out, and I'm still impressed with it today.
@ThomasBrisco
@ThomasBrisco Рік тому
Excellent content and great presentation - as always! Very timely, as I've been feeling the crunch on the Raspberry PI supply chain issues, and have been looking for alternatives. The orange pi 800 looks to be a nice fit for much of my needs. I'm impressed with the hex-core and video performance (not to mention full-size HDMI!). I've a Pi 4 (4GB) and to be frank, it's a little disappointing in day to day use. Now that I'm on the OrangePI site, that OPi5 looks quite impressive as well. Thanks for your videos, and keep it up! Thank you!
@meowareasaservice
@meowareasaservice Рік тому
I really love on 04:03 you mentioned the possibility of your bias. Truly amazing review. Probably would buy one in the future
@davids9139
@davids9139 7 місяців тому
Thanks for this informative video! I just started tinkering with SBCs and I have found your videos most helpful!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 7 місяців тому
Thanks for watching. :)
@abelbarsony
@abelbarsony Рік тому
I love your videos, they are very well structured and informative. Just keep up this excellent work!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks!
@montecorbit8280
@montecorbit8280 Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers My only problems with your videos usually is your test clip show the machine on a human right leg it's running back and forth. I assume it's some futuristic bone repair, but it makes my leg hurt pretty bad every time I see it. I have to turn my head until it's done.
@kennethbeal
@kennethbeal Рік тому
@@montecorbit8280 My wife has bad knees. A friend of hers recently had two "replacement" knee surgeries, with a lot of complications. She'd (well, THEY'D!) probably have a similar reaction. Hopefully the future will contain healing devices, not necessarily "3d-printing-healing-devices"; my estimation is they'll be frequency-based. Also, great video, thank you! Am helping my nephew write video games, using a Raspberry Pi 400. Am planning to upgrade his setup this Christmas. This might fit the bill! Or I might splurge and get him a desktop. :)
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
@@montecorbit8280 Oh dear! I have been planning to shoot a new test clip for some time. The shot you refer to is an visualization of a future insitu bioprinter.
@montecorbit8280
@montecorbit8280 Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers I figured it was just repairing a broken tibia, but that makes it sound like it may be replacing the tibia, or a portion thereof. The new clip might be interesting! I look forward to watching your videos. Tell Stanley the knife I said hi please. What is the name of the floating brain zapping the cell phone? Cell phone/neural interface?? That way people can text faster??
@RoboNuggie
@RoboNuggie Рік тому
I like the full size HDMI, dedicated power button and onboard storage, something the RPi 400 should have had, and maybe will once the chip shortages have abated. Seeing as you asked - I use my Raspberry Pi 400 as my daily driver running FreeBSD as it's cheaper on the energy side also perfectly usable for browsing, email. The video editing/rendering I leave to the Workstation. Thanks Chris, another excellent video.
@retrig202
@retrig202 Рік тому
Yes! So happy you did an Orange Pi 800 video! I was really, really hoping you would. About to fire it up now. I love waking up on Sunday to your videos. Thanks, Chris!
@fernando_gotze
@fernando_gotze 8 місяців тому
I'm Brazilian and always watch this guy's videos. Nice work here mate!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 8 місяців тому
Thanks for watching. Greetings from the UK! :)
@joegee2815
@joegee2815 Рік тому
I really like how these SBCs are progressing. They are really close to satisfying many desktop replacement needs if they just focused on improving video playback a bit. Personally I can almost replace my desktop but I really need 2 monitors and do watch a fair bit of 1080p media. Another couple of years and I'm sure that will be changed.
@fred-youtube
@fred-youtube Рік тому
Do you have a GPU?
@joegee2815
@joegee2815 Рік тому
@@fred-youtube I do but since I don't really do any gaming anymore I could do without one.
@fred-youtube
@fred-youtube Рік тому
@@joegee2815 You can remove that to save electricity
@Smytjf11
@Smytjf11 Рік тому
Check out the Jetson Orin series from Nvidia. They're set to release a "nano" version that might be able to help a bit with the video problem. For full desktop replacement, I'm looking into clustering SBCs, though. Without needing to game you can set a few specialty nodes that are really quite small and all leave you with a very capable system.
@another3997
@another3997 Рік тому
There are plenty of ARM based SOCs that can play high quality video, but they're just more expensive. They don't get used in cheap devices like these. Most SBC chips simply weren't designed for everyday desktop use. Producing an ARM desktop class SOC would be expensive, and that market is currently dominated by Intel and AMD x86. As Apple have shown, it's possible to make such CPUs, but for any other company, making it financially viable might not be possible.
@jamesdye4603
@jamesdye4603 Рік тому
Computers coming sort of full circle. Home computers started as keyboard computers. My personal favorites are the Apple IIc and the VIC20. The VGA output of the orange pi makes it interesting to me. I have a few VGA CRT monitors.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
It does indeed take us back to the exciting days of microcomputers!
@jamesdye4603
@jamesdye4603 Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers Thank you for the reply.
@beneddu
@beneddu Рік тому
My first computer was a C64, so the "computer in a keyboard" form factor was very much part of my thinking when I bought my daughter a Pi 400 as her first computer :)
@jamesdye4603
@jamesdye4603 Рік тому
@@beneddu Hopefully she will learn how it works and not just how to use it. Just suggesting, not meaning to offend at all. Talking to people in person is way better than this, so I hope my thought came across without any animosity, because there isn't any on my end.
@beneddu
@beneddu Рік тому
@@jamesdye4603 yes she has taken an interest in it, but sadly I'm not much of a teacher. I've never been good at explaining computers..... I'll get me coat....
@deanbaker7080
@deanbaker7080 Рік тому
Hi Chris, thanks for your review! I look forward to more SBC content in the near future. I have been waiting for your review of the OrangePi 800 in particular because I tend to take you at your word and if your recommendation is anything to go by, that may just lead to me making a purchase. I hope you are doing well and all the best for the upcoming festive season.
@golf-n-guns
@golf-n-guns Рік тому
Everything old is new again. Reminds me of my first computer, a Commodore 64.
@Okurka.
@Okurka. Рік тому
Looks more like a white ZX Spectrum.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Yes, very true. This how the old microcomputers were.
@pagmann7412
@pagmann7412 Рік тому
Hi Chris! As always, your videos are very informative. I look forward to seeing your reviews on new products. Keep up the good work!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks! Will do!
@sbc_tinkerer
@sbc_tinkerer Рік тому
Greetings! Here I am, back again, watching another fine EC video. You seem pleasantly suprised by this self contained SBC/KB computer as am I. It seems highly usable as a quick desktop PC. Looks perfect for connecting down in my basement to an older monitor which only has VGA and DVI connectivity. I can leave it down there when I want to manage my servers. Sometimes having a PC to do a quick web search for info in resolving issues can be quite handy. No need to carry a laptop back and forth. Well done yet again sir!!
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes Рік тому
I would have liked to have seen an 8Gb Ram version or even 16Gb, just to get things running even smoother!
@sbc_tinkerer
@sbc_tinkerer Рік тому
@@AndrewAHayes Unfortunately, Orange Pi decided to stick with the older RK3399 SoC which only supports up to 4G of RAM. Maybe they have a large stock of them to use.
@dlewis9760
@dlewis9760 Рік тому
I paid 150 for a Lenovo Yoga C13 Gen 1 Chromebook. Built in pen and touchscreen. Video out. USB to ethernet dongle works fine. Scanner and printer works fine. Regularly 550 bucks. No, it doesn't have GPIO. At 550 it's a dumb purchase. At 150 it's a steal. Lenovo has offered it at 150 at least 3 times in the last 3-4 months. Really cheap Windows laptops go on sale into the 200 buck range a lot. You get what you pay for, but most have vastly better performance than this stuff. You can buy a HDMI to VGA adapter for 10-15 bucks. I would really like to have a SBC, but my particular use case it would be a toy. And for the performance an expensive one.
@ElmerFuddGun
@ElmerFuddGun Рік тому
@@AndrewAHayes - This has more... 4GB x 8 bit/byte = 32 Gb! Case does matter! :-)
@michaelwong4530
@michaelwong4530 Рік тому
Another outstanding review. The main board looks well designed. This type of computing reminds me of the vic20 days.. Thanks you for producing this vid..
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames Рік тому
Definitely the best review of this device I have seen. Thanks Chris.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks!
@cybair9341
@cybair9341 Рік тому
I use my Raspberry PI 400 daily as a browser for my large screen TV. I control it with a wireless mouse from my couch. Great TV setup with minimum footprint.
@johncundiff7075
@johncundiff7075 Рік тому
Just a brilliant video today!!! I'm not a big SBC user but if I ever get one, it will because of watching your videos!! Keep up the good work my friend!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks for watching. :)
@leereyno
@leereyno Рік тому
Watching the tear-down makes me think of home computers from the early 80's
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
So true.
@avejst
@avejst Рік тому
Interesting SBC, Great choice with the output options Thanks again for sharing your expirence with all of us 👍 😀
@rpavlik1
@rpavlik1 Рік тому
Oh, that vga makes much more sense now that you mentioned retro gaming... I mean, lots of monitors still have VGA at least until recently, but ability to use retro displays for retro emulation indeed sounds pretty compelling.
@brick6347
@brick6347 Рік тому
I've still got a few 4:3 lcd monitors lurking around, that's a jolly good use for them!
@Wobble2007
@Wobble2007 Рік тому
Awesome for running with a CRT monitor, or a CRT TV via VGA 2 Scart.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Рік тому
@@Wobble2007 Would be even better if it could output TV-like resolutions on that port when plugged into devices announcing those EDID resolutions. I'm hoping the list shown is only what ECs converter announced, and not part of the design.
@EnjoySynthSounds
@EnjoySynthSounds Рік тому
Which gaming os can it use? Pi has Batocera, Blast, Retropie, Lakka, etc. How about Orange Pi?
@wayland7150
@wayland7150 Рік тому
If you want to assemble a cheap retro gaming machine for your children then using an old £20 VGA LCD seems like a good option.
@perrymcclusky4695
@perrymcclusky4695 Рік тому
Impressive hardware and relieved the that operating systems were reasonable. As always, you gave an honest and fair review. Enjoyed the carrot cameo. Curious what will cameo next in a future video.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
There are some cameos next week, several from things that are actually alive!
@perrymcclusky4695
@perrymcclusky4695 Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers I can’t wait! 👍
@notjustforhackers4252
@notjustforhackers4252 Рік тому
Great video Chris. Love these little devices.
@CCoburn3
@CCoburn3 Рік тому
Raspberry Pi falls further and further behind. It seems that "supply chain issues" only apply to them. And these problems don't seem to affect the supply chains for the parts Raspberry Pi uses to make boards for sale to industry. Well, I'm glad other companies have picked up the slack.
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes Рік тому
RPi Org are passing the majority of stock to industry and seem to have thrown their mission statement in the bin!
@willb1242
@willb1242 Рік тому
I think rpi is starting to lose their enthusiast luster for sure. For many years their selling point was the stuff actually worked. But with the opi 800 working straight out of the box for Chris … seems a viable option. Rk 3399 is a common cpu now, and powerful vs the rpi.
@wheezybackports6444
@wheezybackports6444 Рік тому
Once an entity prioritizes profit and forgets their mission statement that means it's time to jump ship.
@slowlymakingsmoke
@slowlymakingsmoke Рік тому
And where would you jump ship to that does not prioritise profit? I am not happy with the pi situation at all either, but profit is not the issue here. I suspect there are other issues at play we don’t know about.
@TechMadeEasyUK
@TechMadeEasyUK Рік тому
This looks like a candidate to replace my NUC on my workbench. I use it for web browsing and looking at PDF manuals mostly, the small footprint and power consumption make it a very attractive prospect
@RodrigoDeVincenzoMonteiro
@RodrigoDeVincenzoMonteiro Рік тому
Loved your review of this machine, it is amazing product for several applications. I will look for if I can get one for my father!
@ronm6585
@ronm6585 Рік тому
Looks like it runs pretty decently. Thanks for sharing.
@rdhunkins
@rdhunkins Рік тому
Very interesting. Raspberry Pi had better solve their supply chain issues, or they will be left behind. I have an RPi 400. The main use I have made of it is to write and upload code on an Arduino. I’ve played with the RPi GPIO a bit, using it as a test bed for the non-existent RPis I would want to permanently upload projects to. I’m really starting to hate this chip shortage.
@davidlloyd1526
@davidlloyd1526 Рік тому
I think that the supply chain issues are mostly due to people wanting to buy the real thing, rather than these knock-offs...
@mikepanchaud1
@mikepanchaud1 Рік тому
Raspberry pies are available, click on be notified link on the retailers website. Bob, what monitor are you using for the Arduino programming? Cheers.
@user-ex3mg4bj3t
@user-ex3mg4bj3t Рік тому
From my experience most of supply chain issues have ended mid-2021 to the beginning of 2022. Many old chips were phased out, many chips still may be hard to get. But at least you can get something of reasonable quantity and at reasonable price. That's why there are many SBCs in stock. Actually, I doubt there were more SBCs available in 2019 than now. RPiF should stop making their nonsense claims about supply chain issues.
@kyleolson8977
@kyleolson8977 Рік тому
@@mikepanchaud1 Raspberry Pis available at elevated prices or in limited amounts with waiting. If you want to pay ~$170, you can get a Raspberry Pi 4 B with specs near the readily available and affordable older Orange Pi 3 which you could get 2 to 4 of for the same money. ("Raspberry pies" are also available, but they may not be great. Raspberry is out of season.)
@PeetHobby
@PeetHobby Рік тому
And upgrade their ancient GPU with a modern one with some modern features, features like a better videodecoder.
@GustavoMsTrashCan
@GustavoMsTrashCan Рік тому
As someone who is used to browse the internet back in the days at 600x450 resolution whilst listening to a good ol' 56k modem sing... this is a refreshing little device.
@wernerviehhauser94
@wernerviehhauser94 Рік тому
Yeah, modems were nice. Acoustic couplers were hell, especially if your phone didn't have the right shape to fit on the gaskets....
@JediBuddhist
@JediBuddhist Рік тому
Much thanks. Happy Sunday. 🙏
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Happy Sunday!
@BastetFurry
@BastetFurry Рік тому
I have a Pi400 in my retro area for looking up manuals and downloading stuff for the old machines.
@andrewd4906
@andrewd4906 Рік тому
An interesting alternative to the Pi400. It is good to see that the software works well and that there is a choice of operating system. With the Orange pi 5 due for imminent release I wonder if the same chip will go into the next Orange pi 800, that could be a very interesting proposition. I am pleased that the SBC manufacturers are making new and exciting products for you to review, in your easy to understand style. Thanks
@englishrupe01
@englishrupe01 Рік тому
100% agree.....Orange pi 5 appears to be a real speed demon from what i have seen.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Рік тому
To stick to the numbering system of Raspberry Pi, the Orange Pi 800 should have shared its core design and CPU with Orange Pi 8, and Orange Pi 5 should share its features with Orange Pi 500. Their marketing desire to double the number has screwed the system, as usual.
@OpenGL4ever
@OpenGL4ever Рік тому
@@johndododoe1411 They just think binary and made a left shift. In decimal this ended in a 800 when you started from a 400. Next number should be Orange Pi 1600.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Рік тому
@@OpenGL4ever Or 1000 if in hex. Or maybe even 4K for confusing marketing.
@OpenGL4ever
@OpenGL4ever Рік тому
@@johndododoe1411 400 is in binary 110010000. Now do a left shift and add a zero on the right side then you will get 1100100000 which is, oh wonder 800 in decimal. Add another 0, then it will be: 11001000000 which is 1600. Understood?
@NetRolller3D
@NetRolller3D Рік тому
It's not just the labels that won't change on the keyboard, but also because the Raspberry Pi 400 is ISO, while the Orange Pi 800 is ANSI, that means the Orange Pi is missing the extra "international use" key that's used e.g. to type the Hungarian letter "í". So you actually can't just remap the keys and slap on a few labels - basic letters of European languages simply can't be typed, except via key combinations.
@m8hackr60
@m8hackr60 Рік тому
Another fantastic review of a very interesting product! This could replace my RPi that's connected to an old HP Bluetooth keyboard of the same size (meant for the HP TouchPad, an old tablet that came with WebOS). I use this Pi with an old monitor to quickly test something I'm working on, basically part of my test bench.
@trevorford8332
@trevorford8332 Рік тому
Just what I've been waiting for, it's a fantastic piece of kit, it'll come in real handy when you do your lectures, I was just wondering what kind of shell do you like to use, zsh, bash, or some other flavours.
@bradscott3165
@bradscott3165 Рік тому
Very nice review, as always. IMO none of these new offerings should have less than at least an RK3588 level of performance, and it seems they should be capable of 16GB ram as well.
@HWYH.
@HWYH. Рік тому
Another wonderful video on your brilliant channel.
@GretschProf
@GretschProf Рік тому
Very impressive! You always have good information, but this one sync'd with very good screens and displays.
@BagusSumanjaya
@BagusSumanjaya Рік тому
If i had orange pi 800 i would use it in the Office as a main Computer for running Office and Networking. Its very interesting machine. Thanks Mr. Barnatt 🙏🏻😁
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings!
@BagusSumanjaya
@BagusSumanjaya Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers always stay tuned 😁
@sneedplays
@sneedplays Рік тому
4:32 spit my dang ol drink out laughing. Keep it up partner, love the videos!
@johndoudar6395
@johndoudar6395 Рік тому
Another well-made and professional video.
@forsch00
@forsch00 Рік тому
Thanks for the review and make this video Chris, make me wishlist OrangePi 800. Can't wait to see Chris review OrangePi 5 😶
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Hopefully soon for the Orange Pi 5 -- they should have shipped now, but I've no evidence of this yet. :)
@forsch00
@forsch00 Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers it's great. I hope you review OS Android as well in Orange Pi 5.
@salat9100
@salat9100 Рік тому
I am using my pi400 for daily desktop usage and for my university stuff. It works perfectly fine with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. Usually I would use Debian but the software support was not so good on the pi400. (Especially the last time I looked it up the Wi-Fi driver was missing)
@lesliedeana5142
@lesliedeana5142 Рік тому
Wonderful! Another sbc... the world is a better place!
@brick6347
@brick6347 Рік тому
Needs a tape recorder to complete the look
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Hi Leslie!
@srtcsb
@srtcsb Рік тому
This is some of the best I've seen from Orange Pi. I'd like to get ahold of one, if I can find one. Thanks for another great video Chris.😎👍
@glrasshopper
@glrasshopper Рік тому
We have come full circle. The first computer I used was a TRS80 that had everything built into the keyboard, and an external screen. Now we have a much more powerful device, built completely into the keyboard, with an external screen.
@waynebickell1793
@waynebickell1793 Рік тому
Another nice piece of kit with a great review. I'm a little disappointed that the base RAM is still 4Gb. 8Gb seems to be the minimum required these days but for development and light work it should be enough! I'm already thinking of doubling my PC's RAM from 16Gb to 32Gb! 🤣Basically for X-Plane...
@snakysissy
@snakysissy Рік тому
Another awaited video that does not disappoint! One question, I see Android amongst the possible OSes, although I'm wondering what it could yield on such a machine. Would that be something we could use for anything else than developing on Android? As for example an alternative to chrome OS? Would it support dual screen?
@daves4026
@daves4026 Рік тому
Great video as always much appreciated
@thabophadi
@thabophadi Рік тому
Another glorious Sunday with Chris, even though I’m not happy with the unpacking because we didn’t see the unwrapping of your Orange Pi Computer, as that’s the only time we get reunited with Mr Scissor and Stanley the knife.
@JonathanSteadman2003
@JonathanSteadman2003 Рік тому
Wow it's actually like an upgrade to the pi 400. 😃 I mean the pi 400 is quit limited as they wanted to keep cost down. So the example did not have speakers and a headphone jack. But it's quite affordable. The best thing is that the Orange pi 800 has support for speakers and headphone jack and other connectors to connect the monitor to the pi. But because the orange pi 800 has all those additional hardware I think that makes it more expensive for people to buy. But it's accutally pretty cool. 😃
@tubegor
@tubegor Рік тому
Interesting development on the SBC market and brilliant presentation (as always) from EC. Without a doubt, the Orange Pi 800 has better connections than the RPI-400: Full size HDMI socket, VGA output, audio jack, eMMC, loudspeaker, microphone, but the performance is (at the moment) not convincing. So I stick to the RPI and prefer to eat (orange) carrots.🥕🥕🥕 Definitely year 2023 will bring back beloved RPI for everyone to get.
@PS_Tube
@PS_Tube Рік тому
This orange pi 800 looks familiar and packs enough punch as a portable computer where you only need a monitor and a mouse or just a monitor. For a lightweight desktop replacement for kids or a dos game emulator it feels great to have.
@James_T_Quirk
@James_T_Quirk Рік тому
Good Video again, I have ordered 1 myself Plus a Orange PI 5 (8core) maybe that may be the next one for review ... This reminds me of my Amiga 1200 HD, a portable powerhouse, back in the day ...
@kote315
@kote315 Рік тому
I'm a bit concerned about the 4 amp current flowing through fairly thin wires. Voltage drops can be quite significant for something to work unstably. Okay, I hope the developers have taken this into account. In general, I like this computer and similar computers. Reminds ZX Spectrum (which I did not have).
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Рік тому
Would be nice for someone to design a good embeddable DC/DC converter that accepts a nice range of inputs to drive SBC circuitry from 3.3V CPU to +/- 12V standard serial, noting that a number of peripherals do their own lossy conversions to provide standard I/O voltages, but moving those back into the main power circuitry might reduce total power consumption. A relevant power input range could be 2.9 to 28V, making it compatible with USB C PD 5 to 20V and various battery / industrial voltages. Raising max input to 50V would work with PoE and telephone 48V supplies, anything higher would require certified electricians. The opposite end of the range would be for supermarket batteries and LiFePo rechargeables.
@lukmly013
@lukmly013 Рік тому
What thin wires? The USB-C for power is soldered on. Those wires are just for control LEDs from top. Or did you mean something else?
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Рік тому
@@lukmly013 I an not the OC, but the wires in USB-C cables must be thin to fit inside the usual USB cable thickness with all those USB 3++ data wires.
@kote315
@kote315 Рік тому
@@lukmly013 I meant the cable from the adapter to the computer.
@sharonwolff1
@sharonwolff1 Рік тому
Under the video streaming workload, Chris showed it using 8-9 watts. At 5 volts that would be 1.6 to 1.8 amps being drawn. That 4 amp rating could be a safe x2 over rating to handle extra load on the I/O pins, load on the speaker and who knows what else. Sure the wires may be under sized but you will not overload them in regular usage. At least that's what they hope.
@taragwendolyn
@taragwendolyn Рік тому
The feature I'd love to see on these types of devices is for the USB-C power port to actually be a full USB-C w/ DP Out & Power delivery. That way there could (theoretically) be just one cable to plug in, if you have a dock that supports power delivery. Still, it's early days for the form factor (or very late days, depending on how you look at it), and I can hope that a future revision will add it -- there's promise with USB-4 since it's an open standard. :)
@fetchstixRHD
@fetchstixRHD Рік тому
Seconded, a one-wire setup would be amazing!
@adrianhendy
@adrianhendy Рік тому
There are already a couple that do that! I just can't remember which ones and where I'd seen them....
@LivingLinux
@LivingLinux Рік тому
@@adrianhendy Radxa Rock 5B, already featured on this channel.
@caesiumtea
@caesiumtea 11 місяців тому
Writing this comment on my new OPi 800 right now! Thanks for giving it such an in depth look; this video gave me the confidence to take a chance on a more "obscure" machine like this. (I agonized over whether to choose this or the RasPi 400, and ultimately chose this for the eMMC.) I wanted a super lightweight computer that I could easily carry in my backpack for the half hour walk to my local maker space, and a few days in, it's working out pretty great! A few hurdles, but they've been manageable. I use it for writing, coding (VS Code), prepping 3D prints in Prusa Slicer, and even a bit of drawing with my Wacom tablet in Krita (and probably soon Inkscape too). One disappointment was that I can't get Blender to run on it at all since there's no OpenGL support--which is an important difference from the Raspberry Pi 400 that I wish I knew about before buying (RasPi 4 does support OpenGL and actually CAN run Blender, albeit slowly). But I'm using it *mostly* for coding and writing, so maybe it wouldn't have changed my decision anyway. I might even use the GPIO pins for some electronics tinkering one of these days!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers 11 місяців тому
Great to hear that this worked our for you.
@crystalsheep1434
@crystalsheep1434 Рік тому
I always like to see videos on smaller manufacturers like Orange pi
@tbickle1
@tbickle1 Рік тому
Thanks for this video. I saved half my money by purchasing this. I'm super excited!
@Praxibetel-Ix
@Praxibetel-Ix Рік тому
What a nice keyboard PC! I really dig the full size HDMI port and good software support. I also liked the little cameo from Mr. Carrot and the brief demo of Pac PC running on DOSBox. :) Now, as for what I would do with an ARM keyboard computer, I would be trying to run a big-name PC game that's more gentle to computers like Undertale on there. Skeletons named after fonts and walking, talking goats, anyone? 😉💀🐐
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings, and thanks for your support. Nice emojis!
@Praxibetel-Ix
@Praxibetel-Ix Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers Thank you, Chris! ❤️
@cianmoriarty7345
@cianmoriarty7345 Рік тому
And then a Times New Roman popped out 😹
@Praxibetel-Ix
@Praxibetel-Ix Рік тому
@@cianmoriarty7345 HA! Sans and Papyrus's long lost cousin Roman. 🤣
@andrekz9138
@andrekz9138 Рік тому
Lol Mr Carrot.. Probably the last we'll see of THAT Mr Carrot, but at least his memory is forever cemented on the world wide web.
@BharatMohanty
@BharatMohanty Рік тому
The carrots Cameo was unexpected..😂
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Always the way with a carrot.
@silent1967
@silent1967 Рік тому
Yeah, oranges are better.
@williamrutter3619
@williamrutter3619 Рік тому
a good alternative for a raspberry pi400, considering supply. will do well at many desks, probably a good idea for the future, running devices like this.
@sbc_tinkerer
@sbc_tinkerer Рік тому
The usually reserved Mr. Barnatt went "really wild" today with resolution. Cool! Another cool item, AliExpress has a kit version with a wireless Orange mouse.
@toepunch001
@toepunch001 Рік тому
Since you mentioned 3D printing I would like to see it running Octoprint. Since we have such a shortage of Pi’s.
@SergiuszRoszczyk
@SergiuszRoszczyk Рік тому
You can run octoprint on pretty anything. I used Pi 3A+ for over two years. You can use pretty any old terminal for that and you will be fine. Also USB cam should do.
@CyrilAndrieu
@CyrilAndrieu Рік тому
We are coming back in the 80' ! Remember me the ZX81, MSX, Thomson 7, Amstrads... And then in the 90' Amiga, Atari ST/TT ! History is an eternal restart ! Even in personal computers history ! By the way, very cool video, thanks a lot for this unboxing!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
So true.
@tiberiud
@tiberiud Рік тому
Greetings! Great video as always! It would be an interesting idea to include a demo of Armbian in your videos. Some people have reported better performance while using this purpose-built OS for SBCs, therefore it would be nice for me, the humble viewer, to have this hearsay put to the test!
@aminulcombd
@aminulcombd Рік тому
Great video as always! Thank you for the effort. I would try one for personal use and another for maintaining the server from the lovely Orange Pi. For personal use, it may not be as good as Raspberry Pi, but I have to adjust a bit in terms of use. If I can, then it is okay to use as a daily driver.
@Pippo.Langstrumpf
@Pippo.Langstrumpf Рік тому
Wow, that is cool! Me gusta!
@allluckyseven
@allluckyseven Рік тому
I come here first for the content, and second for the medals! EDIT: That keyboard form factor is something i like a lot. Has the software part of the Orange Pi improved throughout the years? I remember it being very flaky some years ago.
@marcdraco2189
@marcdraco2189 Рік тому
Looks to be based on Arabian from what I can see and if it is, it should be rather good. I've been using Armbian to run my nano-servers and it's never so much as missed a beat, even coming back up after an unpexected power outage.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings -- and gold medal awarded! :) The software here is much better than I've experienced on any other Orange Pi computer.
@allluckyseven
@allluckyseven Рік тому
@@ExplainingComputers I've been looking around and the reason for that stability could be because they opted for a 2 year old CPU chip. Which is good on that front, but a bit disappointing too, I must say. We need more competition among these single board keyboard computers.
@lucasmayo
@lucasmayo Рік тому
It's like the full circle and nearly 40 years later I am awakened to a "new" ZX Spectrum or a C64 and so much more capable. Love these things.
@BharatMohanty
@BharatMohanty Рік тому
Greetings sir...I have seen orange pi 800's review many times..but I was waiting for your review..
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Thanks, and greetings!
@thedarkknight4243
@thedarkknight4243 Рік тому
Please do a video on GPIO connector(s)
@michaelstoliker971
@michaelstoliker971 Рік тому
The one thing I noticed when you had the unit open was how much the board looked like a driver board for a flat panel display which led naturally to the idea that this thing would fit nicely into (or onto) the back panel of any display making it a computer in a screen. A keyboard and mouse could easily be connected into the usb ports and boom, a simple single unit PC! Also , as a huge Atari fanboy from the 80's...Atari had a 400 and 800 now Orange Pi has an 800 version of Rasberry Pi's 400. Coincidence, or planning?
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
I like your thinking on putting it inside a monitor!
@sandeepsharma9833
@sandeepsharma9833 Рік тому
AiOs (All in Ones) used to be a thing and still are but they don't seem to be as popular as I expect them to be.
@madmen2288
@madmen2288 Рік тому
For a bit more you can get a way more powerful mini pc with VESA mount.
@sandeepsharma9833
@sandeepsharma9833 Рік тому
@@madmen2288 right
@AMDRADEONRUBY
@AMDRADEONRUBY Рік тому
Nice finally Sunday time for another topic thanks Chris love pc in computer have a nice day and week
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings!
@Antonio-fl3nr
@Antonio-fl3nr Рік тому
This will give more notoriety to the Orange Pi family. If I get my hands on one of these, I think I use it mostly for entertainment, because my hobby machine is the Raspberry Pi 400 with its huge community. I'm very intrigued by Orange Pi OS.
@MCallsen
@MCallsen Рік тому
This may actually be a nice, low-budget chartplotter for sailors. Connect a GPS and AIS external module and you have a low watts and low price alternative to a 2.000 Euro B&G chartplotter. There are Linux-based full installations for such a use available.
@RechargeableLithium
@RechargeableLithium Рік тому
As a sailor running Open Plotter on a RasPi 4, I'll second this message. :)
@volvo09
@volvo09 Рік тому
What's a plotter? Does it record your movement over time a map? Low power computers are always good for "off grid" living too, I've come across some projects of people living in narrow boats or houseboats and living off a couple hundred watts of solar and a battery or two. You certainly don't want to fire up a full sized computer in that...
@RechargeableLithium
@RechargeableLithium Рік тому
@@volvo09 Exactly - a chart plotter displays nautical charts and interfaces with depth, AIS, GPS, and other sensors. Commercial marine equipment starts around $500 US and goes up crazily from there. The OpenCPN pages will fill in the details if you're interested. Andy aboard SV Jane Ann
@MCallsen
@MCallsen Рік тому
@@volvo09 A chartplotter combines the usage of technologies like Global Positioning System (GPS), radar and AIS (Automatic Identification System) to plot and pinpoint the exact location and position of a ship in the high seas and oceans to aid a ship’s captain in easy seafaring. A chartplotter incorporates the computer technology as a displaying device for showing the actually positioned points of a ship when it is in motion.
@MCallsen
@MCallsen Рік тому
@@RechargeableLithium Ooops I did not see you answered already :) Always good to have redundancy on the seas :D
@brick6347
@brick6347 Рік тому
Reminds me of the Amiga 600. Good days squabbling with siblings over the telly!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
So true!
@Manian488
@Manian488 Рік тому
that is a proper upgrade from my P400, specifically the full size HDMI and the speaker!
@cybernit3
@cybernit3 Рік тому
1 problem is that it has 4 GB not 8 GB RAM; I think it would be good if you could expand from 4 to 32 GB Ram option. But it is good to see an alternative supplier of the Pi 400. I was considering getting one, but the 4GB puts me off. It would be good if someone made something like an PI400 but with better PCI Bus so you can put a decent gfx card; that would compete vs the PC/MAC gaming industry. Like finally some alternative to this Intel dominance....
@strike6uk890
@strike6uk890 Рік тому
It would be great if you could show a M1 Mac Mini demonstration, for people who have only ever used PC's. Showing the pros/cons as a desktop replacement.
@Pippo.Langstrumpf
@Pippo.Langstrumpf Рік тому
no thanks
@Okurka.
@Okurka. Рік тому
Cons: Twice the price and won't even run Windows.
@marcdraco2189
@marcdraco2189 Рік тому
@@Okurka. Twice the price? It's actually cheaper if you go to Ali Express running at about £95 shipped to your door. You'll have to wait a little longer though, but in my experience (I've had SBCs from both compnies) I expect the Orange Pi will last longer. Time will tell and it's probably a little slow for a daily driver unless you're just browsing, watching the odd video, etc.
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
I am interested, but not enough to purchase one! :)
@Okurka.
@Okurka. Рік тому
@@marcdraco2189 Did you even read OP's comment? This is about an M1 Mac Mini.
@b469b
@b469b Рік тому
This will run well off the battery banks i charge with solar panels. It is practical and can be separated from power grid i appreciate those features.
@edsteenhorst6484
@edsteenhorst6484 Рік тому
My takeaway: the product name implies it has twice as much memory as a RPI 400. It doesn't, so that makes the product name misleading. I love the full sized HDMI and VGA ports and the overall configuration, but I don't feel the need to add it to my must have list, unless the RAM is doubled. Thanks for the great review and taking the time buy this product.
@Josh10976
@Josh10976 Рік тому
Hi
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Greetings!
@nrellis666
@nrellis666 Рік тому
It's a minor niggle but the heat sink really shouldn't cover the clock battery
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Agreed! They could have cut a hole over that.
@rexanguis214
@rexanguis214 Рік тому
Love your work……I like your professional demeanor, it is also hilarious…….which is unique
@RichSzerman
@RichSzerman Рік тому
Really like to see a review of the Spectrum Next board/ Ngo given you have done so many repairs on the 48k. Thanks
@joecan
@joecan Рік тому
Top notch content from this top notch channel. Thank you sir!
@ExplainingComputers
@ExplainingComputers Рік тому
Much appreciated!
@marcdraco2189
@marcdraco2189 Рік тому
Does what the RPi foundation does - only better and for less money.
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