Original Cost to Build to Bedrock for Tower Like Millennium Put at Just $4 Million

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Testimony in the now-settled litigation over the Millennium Tower reveals that one engineer on the nearby public transit project estimated anchoring a tower like the now sinking and tilting Millennium to bedrock would have cost about $4 million more. Jaxon Van Derbeken reports.
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@kqa2893
@kqa2893 2 роки тому
Take it down! Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for this disaster!
@ReijiMoritsugu
@ReijiMoritsugu 2 роки тому
But your local politicians already got bribed. Caught caught political contributions
@OrdinaryG33K-SF
@OrdinaryG33K-SF 2 роки тому
It may come down on its own before they decide to TAKE it down!
@laurainefrancom1430
@laurainefrancom1430 2 роки тому
I dont think they really have another option at this point since you cant just fix this in any tangible way. I am really amazed at the childish way adults point fingers at issues and seem to have no clue about reality. That, is becoming an epidemic.
@jari2018
@jari2018 2 роки тому
why - its tourist attraction , just secure it and make it earthquake safe and you got your own pisa tower
@coffeax
@coffeax 2 роки тому
we do not care
@TECHN0
@TECHN0 2 роки тому
Incompetence at its finest. Who are the developers and why are we paying for the repair?
@fixedit8689
@fixedit8689 2 роки тому
Follow the money
@ykd0011
@ykd0011 2 роки тому
You're paying because you want that building 😂
@ReijiMoritsugu
@ReijiMoritsugu 2 роки тому
You are paying for it because some corrupt politician received his monthly donation to sign paperwork saying that the taxpayers would pay for it out of the kindness of their hearts
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 2 роки тому
@@ReijiMoritsugu Actually it’s called public safety. Lawsuits shall follow against developers.
@GetOffMyyLawn
@GetOffMyyLawn 2 роки тому
Here is how you do it... create a corporation just for this project. Take the money, build the building as cheap as possible. When project complete, take all money from corporation out, declare bankruptcy to get rid of any pesky loans and debts you owe your honest vendors, dissolve corporation. A few years later, lawsuits have no one to sue, because company no longer exists.
@ginachae
@ginachae 2 роки тому
Why are tax payers responsible for this? It should be the builder, the bank that financed the project, the owners of the units and the home insurance companies of the building/homeowners. Why the F are tax payers paying for this?!
@stick9648
@stick9648 2 роки тому
Because its castratfornia
@potatoesare_jesus2278
@potatoesare_jesus2278 2 роки тому
Trans bay is a public company and they are a public transit and Housing program that do stuff like this
@Jeremyho439
@Jeremyho439 2 роки тому
The developers are Democrats.
@markh3279
@markh3279 2 роки тому
Who at San Francisco's DBI was given the "white envelope" to let this oversite pass by?
@rawdaw65
@rawdaw65 2 роки тому
Yes correct !!!!!! WHY
@edp2260
@edp2260 2 роки тому
Madness. What else could it be called? The taxpayers should not have to pay a penny of this.The developer and the engineering firm that designed the foundation need to be sued. That building may need to be deconstructed.
@huckleberryfinn338
@huckleberryfinn338 2 роки тому
It is not our place to question authority. Keep your eyes lowered and your mouth shut. If the powers want to give illegal immigrants $450,000 cash don't say a word.
@huckleberryfinn338
@huckleberryfinn338 2 роки тому
and then joe whispers "pay your fair share...pay your fair share" CREEPY
@wilson8013
@wilson8013 2 роки тому
So they went the cheap route while building a “luxury” high rise
@adamsd6638
@adamsd6638 2 роки тому
Good one here!
@cleversondesouza7854
@cleversondesouza7854 2 роки тому
Verdade.
@johnhender
@johnhender 2 роки тому
Sometimes when you closely at so called luxury homes you will be surprised they are smoke and mirrors A lot of people are to cheap to do the job right
@havenbastion
@havenbastion 2 роки тому
The only thing luxury in those places is the price and the veneer.
@JohnLee-db9zt
@JohnLee-db9zt 2 роки тому
I thought this was a Trump building, lol.
@Andrico77
@Andrico77 2 роки тому
I thought all sky scrapers were built to bedrock especially in an earthquake zone. Wow!
@antbee520
@antbee520 2 роки тому
perhaps they should face jailtime
@sanfrancisco89
@sanfrancisco89 2 роки тому
There are others in SF not built into bedrock, but they weigh much less. This is a very heavy structure.
@antbee520
@antbee520 2 роки тому
@@sanfrancisco89 the cost more than $4million go ahead believe everything from someone who reads a teleprompter
@sanfrancisco89
@sanfrancisco89 2 роки тому
@@antbee520 WTF are you talking about teleprompters? I know the building in my city and how most were built. I am not saying they shouldn't have spent the money, especially when they build on the original shoreline.
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
The foundations are designed by the structural engineers. There are many, many ways to constructy very large buildings on crappy soil.
@colinaitken5090
@colinaitken5090 2 роки тому
If you put clowns in charge of money then expect a circus🇬🇧
@D-FIANT415
@D-FIANT415 2 роки тому
🤣I like that
@MrMrabaunza
@MrMrabaunza 2 роки тому
Just like government.
@JonDulion
@JonDulion 2 роки тому
Period
@ReijiMoritsugu
@ReijiMoritsugu 2 роки тому
Not a clown but a corrupt politician
@marcelogaea1064
@marcelogaea1064 2 роки тому
Perfect. Gonna use that. Thanks, mate. 😎👍🏼
@rxonmymind8362
@rxonmymind8362 2 роки тому
$150+ to fix a $4 million dollar problem. The engineering firms that signed off on it should be BLASTED and loose their license.
@tinetannies4637
@tinetannies4637 2 роки тому
Once again, taxpayer funded corporate bailouts for the rich, rugged screw-you-when-you're-down individualism for the rest. Welcome to American "capitalism"
@Victor-tl4dk
@Victor-tl4dk 2 роки тому
So much hypocrisy in this country.
@yinhuili
@yinhuili 2 роки тому
Why is taxpayers paying this?
@PrometheuzReturns
@PrometheuzReturns 2 роки тому
because the taxpayers out there allow it
@Victor-tl4dk
@Victor-tl4dk 2 роки тому
The government in the US leaves the poor screwed, in most areas there are no sidewalks even for the poor, no health insurance, or anything. But when the rich make a mistake the government quickly bails them out. We do have socialism here in the US. We have socialism for the rich.
@20puskinas1992
@20puskinas1992 2 роки тому
Yup! It seems in Usa poor is very poor and Rich is very rich. Not much in the middle i guess?
@heyrod59
@heyrod59 2 роки тому
Go figure, going the short route to build a luxury building In a populated area to save 4 million dollars, only to have it sink/tilt putting residents and the public at risk. Those responsible for the initial design/build should go to prison for what they've done. I see no upside to this engineering disaster.......
@mikehunt545
@mikehunt545 2 роки тому
Willing to endanger your life is one thing, but your children or members of the public is another. No way that thing is gonna last 100 years.
@woodstream6137
@woodstream6137 2 роки тому
I doubtt prison is in anyone's future but complete loss of licensing and accreditation with a lifetime ban should be minimum
@blackchewy8435
@blackchewy8435 2 роки тому
I would bet that just ONE of the units are 4 million dollars, just to put it into perspective.
@chewie94116
@chewie94116 2 роки тому
Thank you NBC Bay area for keeping us up to date on the Millennium Tower sinking issue in San Francisco. Very informative. Please keep up the great work. Saving 4 million or let's say 6 or 8 million by cutting corners have resulted in a very unstable building. It's almost like people are just waiting to collect their insurance. I hope the insurance company will see this as a losing situation and not renew any home insurance policies for the owners. If the owners lost their policies, that might force people to get out and then the city can demolish this failure and symbol of corporate mismanagement and greed. Keep us inform. The more they drive the pillars down, the more disturbance they will cause and this building will crumble or the foundation will continue to warp and twist until the structure is declared uninhabitable/unsafe.
@stantheman5350
@stantheman5350 2 роки тому
The leaning tower of Frisco. This could be a new tourist attraction!
@midnight.amethyst
@midnight.amethyst 2 роки тому
can taxpayers sue the city & the developers? we didn't ask for this...at all
@stick9648
@stick9648 2 роки тому
Yes it's their F-Up !
@albeit1
@albeit1 2 роки тому
So the “cost so far to clean up the Millennium mess”, per apartment, is $500,000?
@LillianArch
@LillianArch 2 роки тому
Consider the Condo collapse in Florida. Issues with original build and owners simply unable or refusing to pay the huge amount to repair. Fault of construction passed on to people who trusted it would be safe. Elected representatives at all levels have decimated the departments that monitor CODE. Many elected officials from the building industry and others given favors to look the other way. Even when Departments report a problem it's usually ignored by those elected to protect and serve.
@Fredflinstone23
@Fredflinstone23 2 роки тому
You guys should ask SFDepartment of Building Inspection why the heck it was approved in the first place. why the h taxpayer’s money will be use to fix this
@argoneonoble
@argoneonoble 2 роки тому
the Millenium won't pay for it so now the city has no choice but to foot the bill: Cause if the building falls so many other buildings will be damaged and hundreds will die. The Millenium is responsible for f'n over the tax payers.
@Fredflinstone23
@Fredflinstone23 2 роки тому
@@argoneonoble Have u heard the walter wong scandal with nuru? My point being SFDBI should be investigated regarding this matter, city is covering their A$& by using tax payers money to fix this thing
@catocall7323
@catocall7323 2 роки тому
@@argoneonoble the city approved it, they share responsibility.
@dfunk2325
@dfunk2325 2 роки тому
NEWSOM was the mayor they were his appointees
@Fredflinstone23
@Fredflinstone23 2 роки тому
@@dfunk2325 Exactly,
@badactor3440
@badactor3440 2 роки тому
There's only one correct way to fix this mess, begin dismantling the structure from the top down, immediately. Any way you look at it, the tower's days are numbered.
@miguelgaitan3482
@miguelgaitan3482 2 роки тому
Ok
@RudeHaus148
@RudeHaus148 2 роки тому
Yes. Ultimately less expensive than what will be the failed "fix".
@stevoschannel4127
@stevoschannel4127 2 роки тому
EXACTLY, Especially if government is now involved, just kill it. It will always be half assed, no matter what...
@bengaltiger96
@bengaltiger96 2 роки тому
Sealed settlements of this nature should not be allowed when we are talking about public money.
@jam6636
@jam6636 2 роки тому
and a very likely immense tragedy
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
And just why is this public money?
@bengaltiger96
@bengaltiger96 2 роки тому
@@larrysorenson4789 I don't think it should have been, but it was public money from the Transbay project used to settle. I think they did it because it's better to lose little than lose big.
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
@@bengaltiger96 how about allowing all your fellow citizens vote on whether or not they want to buy the facility, tear it down and then sell the empty lot? That is the democratic way, is it not? And if the cote was “no”, then what? No, the citizens were put between a rock and a hard place. There can be no winners and someone (the developer) should be made to pay dearly for this mess. The best that the citizens can hope for is that it is over quickly (5 years?) so that you all can move on. What a shame.
@DevilDogDen1775
@DevilDogDen1775 2 роки тому
The Milenium Tower represents SF in so many ways..... It's an absolute disaster......
@RayThackeray
@RayThackeray 2 роки тому
San Francisco is a major part of making California the 5th largest economy in the world so shove it up yer arse.
@RayThackeray
@RayThackeray 2 роки тому
@Paul R. Nelson With Britain going down the tubes post-Brexit, CA could be the 4th largest economy in the world soon, and with a reasonably balanced budget and less comparative debt.
@andrewwong8932
@andrewwong8932 2 роки тому
@@RayThackeray but we have the most homeless in the country by far, And inter-related economies don’t work like that, a lot of the commerce California enjoys it with neighboring states that did not occur if you were our own country so that comparison of California being until economy is stupid
@RayThackeray
@RayThackeray 2 роки тому
@@andrewwong8932 Try again with your comment but this time in English.
@andrewwong8932
@andrewwong8932 2 роки тому
@@RayThackeray 🎻
@ShakespeareCafe
@ShakespeareCafe 2 роки тому
The tower is literally floating on a 10ft thick concrete pad with various pylons extending into the sand/reclaimed bay mud. The building's weight is was increased drastically when they decided to add more concrete to the building's construction. It's only a matter of time before it tilts beyond recovery.
@jt8251
@jt8251 2 роки тому
I honestly can't wait. The only thing more satisfying to watch would be a giant tsunami washing the entirety of San Francisco into the Pacific Ocean.
@rr7firefly
@rr7firefly 2 роки тому
@@jt8251 Boy, you really hate it, don't you?
@polinzki2299
@polinzki2299 2 роки тому
I learned that with Malcolm drilling co that we bolt down building to bedrock to prevent them from floating. Also tall skyscrapers have roots like trees called tieback at all different
@LBG-cf8gu
@LBG-cf8gu 2 роки тому
@@jt8251 were you born with that kind of hatred or is it something you work on day by day?
@Lowness125
@Lowness125 10 місяців тому
The new Leaning Tower of Pizza
@petebusch9069
@petebusch9069 2 роки тому
The person who decided to go the cheaper route should be paying 100% of the costs to correct.
@loumalizia162
@loumalizia162 2 роки тому
Knew it was the bean counters that entered into the decision. Seen it many times in my engineering career. Always said - Who thinks it's cheaper to do it over again than to do it right in the first place.
@LillianArch
@LillianArch 2 роки тому
Repairing and adding onto an ocean pier where I live. First repair came apart with last hurricane. Home owners paying $10,000 each for this latest. The company (not the previous company) presented how the pilings would be placed into the bedrock this time. I'm not sure the state ever sent someone to see if built to code. Pretty sure the state is controlled by profiteers. Departments for Code enforcement have very few staff now. The area dodged the hurricane bullet this year. Time will tell.
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
Cost is ALWAYS a factor in EVERY construction project.
@francismarion6400
@francismarion6400 2 роки тому
Isn't there an engineer who signed off on this type foundation though?
@clitisswood7330
@clitisswood7330 2 роки тому
Been there, done that ! ALWAYS DOCUMENT because these bastards will try to blame you for not listening to your advice !
@martentrudeau6948
@martentrudeau6948 2 роки тому
Tear the MT down, as it stands, it's dangerous. It's hard to believe it was allowed to be built to begin with.
@JonathanRootD
@JonathanRootD 2 роки тому
Developers should be on the hook for all of it.
@randomstuffwithnofluff7472
@randomstuffwithnofluff7472 2 роки тому
Eventually it'll sink to bedrock, then it'll be 24 floors high instead of 58.
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
Love it! 🤣🤣🤣👍
@badactor3440
@badactor3440 2 роки тому
no, it'll be 24 floors above ground and 34 below. Talk about a "room with a view"
@leechurchill1965
@leechurchill1965 2 роки тому
They'll have subterranean units. Nice and cool the summer.
@Hotlooksamerica
@Hotlooksamerica 2 роки тому
Why build it perfect when you can fix it later for 45 times the cost? Avoiding corporate costs and relying on government money to foot the bill…well that’s just the American way. 🎆 🇺🇸🎉
@quonslecn7755
@quonslecn7755 2 роки тому
Hope the building sits empty soon.
@akui88
@akui88 2 роки тому
Wait, taxpayers are paying for the repairs? And how much to just tear it down?
@jowbloe4700
@jowbloe4700 2 роки тому
$20M just to tear it down
@charleslloyd4253
@charleslloyd4253 2 роки тому
The sad part about all of this. Is the city and state approved the plans. How much did some pocket to do so.
@nickhill8612
@nickhill8612 2 роки тому
Good question and I'm thinking the same thing.
@bowlampar
@bowlampar 2 роки тому
The foundation rested on those piles was overloaded beyond the maximum calculated weight allowed, how is that even possible it can be approved by city in the first place?? It is mind boggling. 🙄
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 2 роки тому
I don’t think taxpayers should have to pay a penny, let the developers absorb the loss. It’s just unbelievably penny-wise, pound foolish.
@trer24
@trer24 2 роки тому
unfortunately, they'll just declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy and the taxpayers will get the bill anyways. Developers already hid their money offshore. It pays to be rich because you can get the best lawyers and accountants.
@hazmatman3120
@hazmatman3120 2 роки тому
WTF? TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING?
@manlymcstud8588
@manlymcstud8588 2 роки тому
they always do. besides, the only cornerstone a democrat ever laid that will never sink an inch is their tax and spend philosophy. ask yourself why taxpayers will even vote yes to build a stadium for a billionaire, too. obviously, the typical person -- or at least the average city dwelling idiot -- should not be entrusted with voting.
@hazmatman3120
@hazmatman3120 2 роки тому
@@manlymcstud8588 Wow, you do recognize your fascist tendencies, don't you? But you're right about idiotic voters and their gullibility... but extends to Republicans as well.
@trer24
@trer24 2 роки тому
@@manlymcstud8588 all this proves is that Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. They always were.
@Dweller415
@Dweller415 2 роки тому
Why is any high rise in SF permitted for construction without a plan to drill down to bedrock?
@TheGreatShawnY
@TheGreatShawnY 2 роки тому
Corruption
@TheCiaMKultra
@TheCiaMKultra 2 роки тому
Corruption of the permit process that has the potential to kill hundreds if not thousands of people depending on if and when the building fails. There should be an investigation ! Guilty heads should roll before incident by standards
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
Because the design is the engineers decision, not some bureaucrats. How’d you like to discover that because of some well intended but poorly written mandate, you need to drill 200 feet to bedrock to support your garage addition?
@Frank289100
@Frank289100 2 роки тому
About 10 years ago I fellow I knew who worked for years to buy and build a beautiful home decided to sell it. When I asked them why are you selling it. He turned around to me and says why do I need this big home for me and my wife. He said my son is already married and moved out. Why do I need this house and headaches to maintain it with empty rooms all over the place. He then said what do I need to live per day one steak I don't need all of this. And he said I'm probably going to buy a small house like you he said or maybe buy a condo and live simple without the headaches and it stresses in life to maintain a high standard of living and he was so right. But look how people live today grasping for the dollar like that's the only thing that gives meaning to life. No God, no nothing. Just how they can make the most money instead of living a simple life. The band The Fall has a song called "the age of greed" which accurately defines what is going on in the world today.
@cayrick
@cayrick 2 роки тому
The Foundation slab is underdesigned (dishing). The pile design failed already. The foundation was designed to support a lighter steel bldg and not a concrete bldg. The solution; pilings to bedrock that will transfer the weak link to the foundation slab. The best solution from the public and owner safety perspective would be to drive piles into bedrock and take say 10 floors off the top of the building to reduce weight or simply knock it down. The short term political and economic solution will be to drive in new pilings outside the perimeter of the bldg and wait for the foundation to start cracking and then seek another short term fix. Kicking the can down the road brings all the parties closer to retirement.
@Triring65
@Triring65 2 роки тому
Most of Japan's skyscraper are not anchored to bedrock either. They construct the building to be light with as little concrete as possible for the superstructure and then create a lot of separated concrete lumps underneath the ground that distributes the weight to the entire floor space with stilts that acts as pillars creating a huge floating roly-poly object that may tilt and swing but always returning to it's upright position.
@dellmedia
@dellmedia 2 роки тому
How did regulations not catch this? If it was a personal home remodel, the permits and red tape would be a nightmare. Crazy!
@dellmedia
@dellmedia 2 роки тому
@Hot Toymania totally
@TheLIRRFrenchie...
@TheLIRRFrenchie... 2 роки тому
4 million dollars??!! That's all??!!! I'm thinking all these years that it was millions!! Regardless of cost, it should've been done!!
@Anne.411
@Anne.411 2 роки тому
Seems this 4 million was a shortcut they shouldnt have taken. It also seems officials are all at fault for letting realtors sell innocent people these worthless properties, since it was sinking before it was completed
@jeffkutz4917
@jeffkutz4917 6 місяців тому
This is a well crafted video. The information was well organized and clearly presented. Thank you
@_LilRascal_
@_LilRascal_ 2 роки тому
“Things come up like that all the time, and you just fix it” We need that man as President. No blame game nonsense, no political insertions, no self-aggrandizing. Just sees a job to do and demands that it be done, and done right. We sorely need more of that in this country.
@o.h.w.6638
@o.h.w.6638 2 роки тому
Cheaper is more expensive
@Puffley
@Puffley 2 роки тому
Another reason to abolish HOAs
@laurainefrancom1430
@laurainefrancom1430 2 роки тому
The city approved the plan to build this thing incorrectly. That is the real problem. They should have known the issues as they became obvious and halted construction. This is why every step of construction is subject to inspection and approval.
@Lousybarber
@Lousybarber 2 роки тому
If the foundation is inadequate it would seem to make more sense to start at the top. Dismantle however many floors are needed until the foundation can actually support the load. It would not be cheap but you may be able to salvage part of the building. Attempting to stabilize a foundation on something this tall that is already leaning sounds dangerous. Working with a small margin of error they could lose the whole thing and wipe out a portion of the neighborhood also.
@BENCHPRESS_247
@BENCHPRESS_247 2 роки тому
Why do all the geo engineers look like they're on the verge of death
@butch4butch
@butch4butch 2 роки тому
Probably takes a long time to gain that level of experience.
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 2 роки тому
The best are pretty old, but they have the most experience. Who wants to hear from a 22-year old on a problem like this?
@brentfisher6484
@brentfisher6484 2 роки тому
Good question: Because we don't encourage young people to go into math and sciences to become engineers (unless of course you grow up in India and the Middle East). But mostly it's because it takes decades to accumulate the expertise to do what these guys and gals do. Be gad their still around.
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 2 роки тому
@@kimberlyperrotis8962 No, I sure don't! Give me the lived experience any time...
@pushslice
@pushslice 2 роки тому
All the younger people just want to do Instagram and TickTock instead of studying boring science stuff to, you know , make buildings safer ‘n crap.
@ttrev007
@ttrev007 2 роки тому
Why were they even allowed to this tower this way? I really think there needs to be an investigation as to how this was allowed.
@sonicchitch1662
@sonicchitch1662 2 роки тому
Prevention costs always are far less then cleanup costs
@Sean-ll5cm
@Sean-ll5cm 2 роки тому
This tower is fast becoming my favorite soap opera
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
On the plus side there is bedrock. With the building in place it might cost a hundred million to create new underpinnings that can support the ten foot thick “floating” slab and stabilize the building. Who pays? Not the taxpsyers, i hope. But this is California and if there were serious and well connected players in the deal you can expect that the taxpayers will participate. California has refused to turn over the remaining 3.8 billion dollars that they still have from
@stevenk6638
@stevenk6638 2 роки тому
I can't think of a city more deserving !
@regolith1350
@regolith1350 3 місяці тому
Absolutely criminal. That developer should never be allowed to build anything ever again, not even a doghouse.
@59jm24
@59jm24 2 роки тому
The developers went engineering shopping and found a firm who had no clue about bay sediments the result is save 4 million then and pay 400 million now. Actually, the building is not salvageable, take off the top half.
@laopang91362
@laopang91362 2 роки тому
On the other hand, the Bay Bridge is world-class.
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 2 роки тому
Wait - Are we saying there is no *law* that requires skyscrapers to be supported by bedrock? Oh Dear Lord...
@pete7389
@pete7389 2 роки тому
But if they built it correctly, it wouldn’t be so much fun!
@judymanning2538
@judymanning2538 2 роки тому
Well done ❤
@bluepearlgirl-emelie
@bluepearlgirl-emelie 2 роки тому
Wait... We are paying the litigation but that may be paid back in this sealed settlement agreement?!? Isnt that siphoning money from the tax payers for a fee that is already being paid??? How exactly does this work without looking like outright taxpayer fraud?
@greggreg2263
@greggreg2263 2 роки тому
Because this big thing is leaning if there are some major winds pushing in the direction of the lien will it fall?
@mikeifyouplease
@mikeifyouplease 2 роки тому
Often times, you can "go cheap" and get away with it. This time, they didn't.
@daniellevy4104
@daniellevy4104 2 роки тому
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra , Shaka when the walls fell
@robertmclean9041
@robertmclean9041 2 роки тому
I would fill the basement with gravel around mechanical jacks that could be continually adjusted and fitted against the foundation/support beams (to be easily reinforced, if necessary) at street level from bellow. The jacks would be imbedded in the gravel. (If did it right, you could literally elevate the building, grade the gravel to spec, and lower it back down onto the gravel bed, like the Marriott hotel a few blocks away, a al Frank Lloyd Wright.) The basement would be rendered useless, as it should be. End of story. Very (relatively) simple/cheap fix. This building, (and no high-rise) should ever have a basement in the first place (especially on land fill). It's fueled by greed and a dash of machismo. Greed, greed, greed. The City was paid off. I guarantee it.
@scottkew6278
@scottkew6278 2 роки тому
Why aren t the city inspectors who approved this in the first place being held accountable? How about the contractor?? Why is the taxpayer paying for this???
@Awesome_Aasim
@Awesome_Aasim 2 роки тому
I am on the side of "let's demolish this structure before it collapses".
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
Let the designers, engineers, contractors and developers decide what to do and then to PAY FOR IT!
@johnjohnson3709
@johnjohnson3709 2 роки тому
Someone should go to jail!
@rklrx6
@rklrx6 2 роки тому
Follow the money, check out who sign off these projects from the city hall.
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 2 роки тому
They cut costs for profit, and now the building is Surfside 2.0.
@dgracey01
@dgracey01 2 роки тому
One earthquake and that tower might come down. I'm no engineer but: building's center of gravity is already off balance? If shaken too hard would it fall to the side its already leaning? how many city blocks will be flatten? how many people? This people are gambling thousands of lives.
@tomtom6319
@tomtom6319 2 роки тому
The 100 million they are spending now is not fixing anything. You cannot fix something like this You have to at the least reduce the height of the building to slow it down but it will keep sinking
@blkcoupequattro
@blkcoupequattro 2 роки тому
The City of Oakland had us take down small a roof top deck they claimed was non permitted, when they issued the code violation they said nothing about it previously being inspected almost 35 years ago, and the previous owner did nothing, the violation just went away for 35 years???? My response to the Oakland’s Ethics Department, and City Council, and the Building Department cites “why would they would wait so long to follow up on something like this”, not that anyone took any money, we just assumed the inspector(s) was being nice about the situation…. Ask me if I have any legal recourse for the City Of Oakland’s Building & Inspections Department……???
@theashpilez
@theashpilez 2 роки тому
No one will be held responsible. No one will be punished. No one will be paying for it Except the victims of this latest blunder This is America these days. Broken stuff , your wallet fleeced.
@lucasstuart-chilcote7069
@lucasstuart-chilcote7069 2 роки тому
As they say, “You get what you pay for.” In the long run it’s going to cost you more down the road as we see here.
@larrysorenson4789
@larrysorenson4789 2 роки тому
Way to simplistic of a comment. Many times new, innovative and less costly concepts work out just fine. Apparently, this one did not
@maxd3028
@maxd3028 2 роки тому
So They decided to save from the foundation of the building! Pretty smart job folks!
@jasonligo895
@jasonligo895 2 роки тому
About $10,000 worth of dynamite will take care of that problem.
@kohort1
@kohort1 2 роки тому
Why should this be on the taxpayer? This should be on the contractors.
@D-FIANT415
@D-FIANT415 2 роки тому
That thing is a time bomb
@OrdinaryG33K-SF
@OrdinaryG33K-SF 2 роки тому
Damn straight.
@inikoli
@inikoli 2 роки тому
Wow, all that money spent on a high-end luxury housing condo building, when it could have gone to improve the city's low income housing issues
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki 2 роки тому
Seeing the "Shangri-La" in Vancouver go to bedrock before the build (big const. equip. looked like Tinker Toys down there from land level) I'm FLABBERGASTED that in, OF ALL PLACES, San Fransisco??!!!! (We don't have earthquake faults of any real consequence in BC cities) I can't believe it.
@rodrigotome3804
@rodrigotome3804 2 роки тому
It's just a matter of time for this building to come down!!! May God protect the people around when it happens!!!
@deweygal
@deweygal 2 роки тому
I still don’t understand why taxpayers are paying for this? Any explanation is appreciated.
@DaxVJacobson
@DaxVJacobson 2 роки тому
is there anything in place in S.F. To make sure this does not happen again? has anyone in the city planning department learned anything?
@purplemartinracingteam1750
@purplemartinracingteam1750 2 роки тому
reaching bedrock is a minimum for commercial. just like 4 foot residential to get past the freeze/heave point. should be 10X. based on what they charge for rent, that is in line
@wilson8013
@wilson8013 2 роки тому
What does the HOA have anything to do with the developed foundation?
@mk1st
@mk1st 2 роки тому
Yes, I wondered that as well.
@odnamsrazor2364
@odnamsrazor2364 2 роки тому
if this was REAL news, the question they would be asking is why the Civil Engineer working for the city who allowed this to be permitted is not being criminally prosecuted. . what's happening now is THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. . what happens in the case of an earthquake? can you say "Soil Liquefaction"? i knew you could. . if there is ANY kind of a tremblor before this building gets attached to bedrock, this whole damn thing is coming down and when it does it's going to smash a lot of other shit with it.
@Crismodin
@Crismodin 2 роки тому
This is exactly why you don't trust corporations to follow the rules and why having lax-laws in areas of the country is a really bad idea. They won't do the right thing, even when they have the money to do so. I know, I worked for one of the largest companies and they posted record profits while cutting corners and NOT doing the right thing, you can't leave it open to them and expect businesses whose only goal is to make money to make things right and not cheap out in critical safety areas.
@jaric82
@jaric82 2 роки тому
This is not incompetence. It is insanity caused by greed.
@brentfisher6484
@brentfisher6484 2 роки тому
When I sat with my father watching the moon landing back in 1969, I ask him, "Dad, you've seen so much in your lifetime, if you were one of those astronauts landing on the surface of the moon, what would be going thru your mind? He turned to me and wryly said, "I'd be thinking I got to the moon in the vehicle built by the lowest bidder." I have NEVER forgotten that moment and its theme has served me well, by never insisting on the lowest price, but erroring on the side of most competent solution and most competent provider. The taxpayers should NOT pay one dime of the cost towards resolving this huge problem--including dismantling the boondoggle of a building. Oh, and the actual costs--once owners are paid back for their investments and the likely law suits will reach over a billion dollars. I'm just saying...
@jeanhansel5805
@jeanhansel5805 2 роки тому
Your father is a wise man.
@LillianArch
@LillianArch 2 роки тому
The problem starts long before it gets to the bean-counters. Politics favoring development, real-estate, construction. Big donations to campaigns allowed. More money gets your name out there more. Decisions for projects made by those elected or specially appointed. Cuts by them to Code Department mean not enough to get around and see if codes are followed. Even when reported violations often cancelled or ignored by the elected officials who often have the final say. It's an epidemic across America. People vote against higher taxes not realizing it's the departments that help them that will be the first to go.
@themagicalmilkshake
@themagicalmilkshake 2 роки тому
@@jeanhansel5805 his father never said that. Stop being so gullible
@BlackBox863
@BlackBox863 2 роки тому
Tax payers need to do class action lawsuit
@mountainryder3056
@mountainryder3056 2 роки тому
Plastic surgery should not be used to stave off the look of aging, doesn’t work. Be satisfied with who you are and don’t end up looking like the joker
@TheFloridaStig
@TheFloridaStig 2 роки тому
Correction: its not "ancient mud". It's landfill. That's the problem.
@andreaberryman5354
@andreaberryman5354 2 роки тому
Original design called for steel and glass, and they did not alter the foundation, but in order to armageddon-proof it, they opted for concrete??? W O W.
@user-cw2py6wh8l
@user-cw2py6wh8l 2 роки тому
Sue them
@nursebronnie1
@nursebronnie1 2 роки тому
I wouldn’t want to be in that building during an earthquake and subsequent liquefaction! Hello from New Zealand, the shaky islands
@dougmorgan510
@dougmorgan510 2 роки тому
A bunch of folks belong behind bars for this debacle. Its beyond ridiculous what has been allowed to become a burden to taxpayers. Total BS
@deadlyhobo2323
@deadlyhobo2323 2 роки тому
I hope never to read it comes down. What would happen to the buildings around it? Horribly, we have have seen what collapsing buildings do to those around them. I can only imagine the pre-finger pointing plans that have begun.
@kennethpensyl7791
@kennethpensyl7791 2 роки тому
Unbelievable. The city needs to held fully liable. So that they never fail to do their jobs again.
@RK-hw9tg
@RK-hw9tg 2 роки тому
when the tilt causes the elevators to stop working, the residents will have a nice climb up the stairs to their luxury suites.
@andrenewcomb3708
@andrenewcomb3708 2 роки тому
How deep is it to bedrock for the transportation hub? Is it possible that the building is on a downslope side of that bedrock making it even hairier?
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 2 роки тому
There are apartments in that tower that cost more than building to the bedrock.
@CeeTeeUSA
@CeeTeeUSA 10 місяців тому
My take is that they accept they screwed up, refund the buyers, tear the tower down and start over with a lesson. If they don't, the tower will collapse and cost them 100 times more..
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