OSRAM 5W LED Bulb Repair & Failure Analysis

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WizardTim

WizardTim

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Teardown and repair of a modern cost optimised consumer grade 'frosted candle' style LED bulb from OSRAM and in-depth analysis of the failed component. This light is advertised as 5.5 W 470 lm with a lifetime of "up to" 15,000 hours and costs at the time of writing in 2021, AU$4.90 (AU$6.00 as of 2022). It is estimated this light had approximately 2,000 - 4,000 operating hours before failing.
Replacement inductor used was a B82145A1106J000 manufactured by EPCOS - TDK Electronics (AU$1.89).
00:00 - Intro
00:30 - First Look
01:24 - Testing LEDs
02:08 - Removing PCBs
02:57 - Testing PSU
05:40 - Repair
06:50 - Component Analysis Preparation
10:35 - Component Failure Analysis
11:45 - Outro
REF: WT-YT-V-10

КОМЕНТАРІ: 168
@jotalacerda8175
@jotalacerda8175 Рік тому
Fantastic how deep you went into details, it's a nice lesson of how things are really inside. Congrats!
@jerzyszwengruben9816
@jerzyszwengruben9816 Рік тому
Im absolutely impressed. The mulfunction analysis, mainly. Good job. Thank you.
@mahmoudbitar6571
@mahmoudbitar6571 Рік тому
Because of you, today i was able to fix my bulb with exact same issue, Thank you sir !! , Randomly UKposts recommended this video for me and the idea came to my mind to check, nothing was planned
@1pbean
@1pbean 5 місяців тому
Had no earthly idea where you were heading with the epoxy trick. That's cool! I'm impressed.
@nunya685
@nunya685 2 роки тому
Wonderful, interesting video! If all videos were as clear, concise, void of annoying background music as this one is, UKposts would be a FAR better place. Well done, sir! 👍
@niconine268
@niconine268 7 місяців тому
I agree whole heartedly. First class content & production..
@biggusmunkusthegreat
@biggusmunkusthegreat 4 місяці тому
Wow this went way deeper than I expected. Subbed. I never thought of using resin for something like this, it's genius.
@niconine268
@niconine268 7 місяців тому
Had to subscribe. Love the way you put this all together. No annoying back ground noise or music either
@kartnkrazy
@kartnkrazy 7 місяців тому
Very informative video!! Especially showing the use of epoxy to stabilise the part so you were able to expose the interior structure of the inductor. I'll use that technique myself in the future. Well done, Sir.
@rcarioca
@rcarioca Рік тому
Love the detailed teardown
@yt4krist0f
@yt4krist0f 2 роки тому
Wow... This 2K epoxy + sanding is a great idea to analyze a part, thanks for sharing! :-)
@optimisticpessimist5831
@optimisticpessimist5831 Рік тому
Very cool, component analysis was awesome, Thanks
@ozanpress
@ozanpress 2 роки тому
Keep up posting. Quality content!
@warpigs330
@warpigs330 2 роки тому
the final close up shot was great.
@bestbiker7323
@bestbiker7323 Рік тому
Hey man, great stuff, you need to make more videos, your analysis is awesome!
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
I'm currently working on 8 more videos, 1 of which is almost done, unfortunately they take a lot of time to make, especially seeing as I only work on them on the occasional weekend or after my day job.
@lullodelullis355
@lullodelullis355 Рік тому
Fantastico mai visto ottimi dettagli, bravo
@changchao5797
@changchao5797 Рік тому
So passionate and patient.
@Alex-rr7qc
@Alex-rr7qc 5 місяців тому
Man, what a mystery solving of tech video this is! Definitely a like and subscription on my side
@citakis1277
@citakis1277 Рік тому
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
@silverxiree
@silverxiree Рік тому
subscribed from this. it is genuine content that I'm looking for.
@garyholland4696
@garyholland4696 Рік тому
This video is exactly why I trawl youtube for interesting content. Smart guy, fantastic from start to finish. I'm subscribing hope it helps you make more great content.
@JR-tl8tg
@JR-tl8tg 11 місяців тому
Thanks Tim for this informative video on faulty Led drivers. I am very interested in Led troubleshooting explanation type videos many thanks again.
@pauldelmonico4933
@pauldelmonico4933 Рік тому
That epoxy trick is clever! Fantastic analysis all the way through. Those AD/DC converter boards almost always fail before the LEDs.
@charleslambert3368
@charleslambert3368 Рік тому
I'm starting to think we ought to run 12VDC to our light sockets and have one big converter for the whole house. They already make 12V lighting for houseboats and caravans/motorhomes.
@computermaster360
@computermaster360 Рік тому
@@charleslambert3368 Exactly what I have been thinking for a while now. I believe we will start seeing these in near future.
@lukapirnat3355
@lukapirnat3355 2 місяці тому
​@@charleslambert3368, people do that already. Sometimes 12V, sometimes 24V (or maybe even 48V).
@A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A
@A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A Рік тому
Wow , amazing video. Thanks. Please make such Quality videos again and show us how to repair different types of issues in LED light bulbs
@vinsan98
@vinsan98 Рік тому
Ohh my God, I just blew away how deep you went into the fixing and investigating the component. It felt like watching a crime mystery movie..😅😅
@superspecialty5169
@superspecialty5169 Рік тому
It’s very interesting to me, because I’m a retired submarine mechanic who worked on humongous parts from sonar dome to rudder & stern diving plans. But, in my senior years it’s the miniature/micro things that are of interest.
@mikesale8155
@mikesale8155 Місяць тому
Brilliant video. Very informative. Thanks
@runepedersenDK
@runepedersenDK Рік тому
Very interesting and creative approach. I often wondered when things just get tossed away in other videos - what about an "autopsy" to see what went wrong in that faulty component? And that's just what we get here. Thanks a lot for the vid., we can't always get the "smoking gun", but the process in attempting, and the theories, are still very interesting!
@yulfianaharini7756
@yulfianaharini7756 Рік тому
waw masyaAllah, what a deep analysis. Thanks for the explanation! I really enjoy watching the video for 12 minutes. also, I got the other methods for checking the component failures. Thanks Wizard Team!❤
@theoneohmresistor
@theoneohmresistor 2 роки тому
really quality content! will definitely steal your epoxy technique
@hobo2566
@hobo2566 Рік тому
Awesome work, this should be in public schools under technology and sustained development, not some whiny kids and junkies sticking themself to art. Real electric magic!
@McGyVer964
@McGyVer964 22 дні тому
Thanks for your hard work why resistor fail and good job led repair explained , thumbs up ^^
@henrym.5884
@henrym.5884 Рік тому
Thank you so much for teaching.
@dabay200
@dabay200 Рік тому
really good failure analysis
@laneboysrc
@laneboysrc 2 роки тому
Thanks for the teardown of the inductor -- that alone would have warranted a full video!
@masterchief1884
@masterchief1884 Рік тому
It's not an inductor, it's a resistor
@runneryg
@runneryg Рік тому
What I did with one of these that had the same problem is take a few thin wires from a cable and wrap them around the negative positive Wnd it worked if it blows again try putting in a few more wires and it should last and work. great video thx.
@teresashinkansen9402
@teresashinkansen9402 2 місяці тому
Oh I thought I was the only one who liked to do that kind of component analysis, somehow find it so satisfying to sand down the components and look at the cross sections with a microscope. You can use higher magnifications say 100x and stitch a larger picture, they are great as nerdy high resolution posters. Maybe its dumb but I was giggling at the sounds of the sanding fastforward. Subscribed!
@pknagaraju1964
@pknagaraju1964 Рік тому
What a deft presentation it is ! Wonderful video. Thanks Sir !! In the present LED bulbs there are no capacitors,condensers etc. All the parts are snugly mounted on an aluminium plate. So kindly teach how the modern LED bulb working pl.
@briantamburelli7573
@briantamburelli7573 Рік тому
I've learned from you. I have an LED light bulb on my Electronics Laboratory Bench. It's been flickering. This is the third video I've watched on LED light bulb repair so I can learn. Thank you 😊.
@akhtarnadeem621
@akhtarnadeem621 8 місяців тому
Very Nice !!
@saidutube
@saidutube 6 місяців тому
this is youtube at it´s best!! Thanks!
@bubblelaber4909
@bubblelaber4909 11 місяців тому
Damn it I loved the video ❤ bravo , quite a fine job
@ACOnetwork
@ACOnetwork Рік тому
Thank you for the video 😁👍
@franciscolameira950
@franciscolameira950 Рік тому
Well done!👏
@hernancoronel
@hernancoronel Рік тому
Came for the bulb, stayed for the inductor and the nice pictures! Awesome and very interesting video, thank you!
@masterchief1884
@masterchief1884 Рік тому
It's not an inductor, it's a resistor.
@eddielane9569
@eddielane9569 Рік тому
First time I've seen inside of one of those resistors. Also if you want to reduce the amount of heat remove the plastic diffuser or cut the end off of it. Another thing you can do is drill vent holes into the section below the LEDs so they've vent out. Apparently the LEDs can last basically forever if they can cool off sufficiently during operation.
@silviuguseila2552
@silviuguseila2552 Рік тому
it is not a resistor though
@barry7608
@barry7608 Рік тому
Extremely interesting analysis
@barry7608
@barry7608 Рік тому
Thanks for the info
@bluefishactcl1464
@bluefishactcl1464 10 місяців тому
Excelent video !!!!!!!
@Bianchi77
@Bianchi77 Рік тому
Creative video, thanks :)
@jaro6985
@jaro6985 2 роки тому
Great idea to epoxy it. I wonder if the leads were thinner or more flexible if it would help, or its pure thermal cycling of the component itself as you said.
@oneplusplus2918
@oneplusplus2918 3 місяці тому
Thumbs up for coil autopsy😊
@aupan69
@aupan69 10 місяців тому
Very good thanks
@jimmyboy2778
@jimmyboy2778 Рік тому
Amazing work.
@arnaldoborghi2194
@arnaldoborghi2194 Рік тому
Impressive !!!
@tylerrjohnson68
@tylerrjohnson68 10 місяців тому
Very cool video
@goravdyan3414
@goravdyan3414 Рік тому
Nice video.... Well done..
@tiemanowo
@tiemanowo Рік тому
I did not expect so many windings inside that small inductor.
@Hemojang
@Hemojang Рік тому
Bravo. Can’t believe you got that cross section. I would have just picked it apart and looked for a break or short…
@wilsonchen4978
@wilsonchen4978 Рік тому
Very clever👍👍👍
@MyProjectBoxChannel
@MyProjectBoxChannel Рік тому
When I fix these Bulbs I normally increase the value of the current sensing resistor. So the bulb runs a little cooler.
@miketownsend6108
@miketownsend6108 Рік тому
cool job
@franklerouge
@franklerouge 11 місяців тому
So, I found one of those large LED Spot Light with large heat sink in the back that they put on truck on the side of a road and I wonder how you would proceed to retrieve and reuse the LEDs and other parts.
@mrguppy1016
@mrguppy1016 Рік тому
GOOD JOB
@dino6627
@dino6627 Рік тому
I had two Osram GU10 style lamps that failed after a while also with a similar open circuit inductor. They had a silicone encapsulated PCB, that didn't seem to improve reliability.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Interesting, I've heard the silicone encapsulation is meant to improve thermal conductivity to the outer shell and eliminate joint vibration failures, not sure about high thermal cycling. I'm tempted to buy a new one from 2022 to see if they've changed anything since the 2019 design.
@mistawan1
@mistawan1 11 місяців тому
Verry interesting n nice video
@goravdyan3414
@goravdyan3414 Рік тому
and the epoxy trick was fabulous...
@traleyton8057
@traleyton8057 Рік тому
Thank You Tim. Very informative and clear. We need such good quality videos to reduce waste and get most of Earth's resources. Lesson for those littering the U-Tube with Rubbish.
@lawchoongseng789
@lawchoongseng789 9 місяців тому
Thank u for the informative video What did u use to test the individual led ? I use 2 1.5v batteries in series ( 3v ) to test but was not able to get any led to turn on.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim 9 місяців тому
The LEDs in this light bulb are special, they have three LED dies in one package so have a forward voltage of between 8.4 and 9.8 V, typically 9.5 V. To test them I used a Keithley DMM6500 bench multimeter in diode mode, unlike a typical handheld multimeter it has a relatively high diode test voltage of 7 to 12 V and can do higher test currents. But you can do the same test with a lab PSU at a similar voltage (>6V for those 3 die LEDs) in constant current mode set to just a couple of milliamperes. You could also do this with a 12 V battery, just make sure you use a resistor to limit the current otherwise you'll break the LED.
@lawchoongseng789
@lawchoongseng789 9 місяців тому
@@WizardTim Thank u very much for replying. 👍👍
@mpwaterhouse
@mpwaterhouse Рік тому
nice tips - found a black spot of LED death on two bulbs with 12 LEDs each. Scraped off the dead LED down to bare metal, a blob of solder later - good to go :) Since they are in a decent shaded enclosure I left the diffusers off so they cool more efficiently now
@nic.h
@nic.h Рік тому
You'll be driving the remaining LED's harder due to the missing one I think. Better to replace if you can. Although with the extra ventilation it probably won't matter. I'd be a little cautious running it without the diffuser.
@bubblelaber4909
@bubblelaber4909 11 місяців тому
That's a bad idea, the bulb is gonna fry in very few uses
@carlitosredsky
@carlitosredsky Рік тому
What a So very good explanation......Many Thanks ! ! ! I learned a little more as always in our lives ! A great embrace of: carlitos
@toddac61
@toddac61 Рік тому
The failure analysis reminds me of the company I worked for. They would do this to the chips they manufactured but they used diamond paste to get through the individual layers of the chip and a SEM with an Xray analysis to determine the contaminates. At home I just throw away the bulbs when they fail. The local grocery store just had 60 Watt dimmable LED's for $0.50 USD each so besides the learning it is not worth the time to mess around with.
@rayworksvlog
@rayworksvlog Рік тому
HAHAHA were same brother . i worked on engineering department in vishay, at wirebonding do like this and coss-sectioned on it after that do SEM (scanning electorn microscope) and an x-ray.
@edwardgilmour9013
@edwardgilmour9013 Рік тому
VERY interesting. especially on the inductor. likely scratching away the paint might have exposed the wire enough to add flux and resolder. as a first point of approach. But of course spending many dollars on a 50c component is not worth it. but saving the LED lamp was worth it; IF the hours are not more valuable elsewhere.
@kacB0
@kacB0 Рік тому
Excellent video, thanks! What voltage do You use to test LED "cells"?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
The DURIS E 2835 series LED chip that's in this bulb is rated to have a forward voltage of between 8.4 and 9.8 V, typically 9.5 V. To test them I used a Keithley DMM6500 bench multimeter in diode mode, unlike a typical handheld multimeter it has a relatively high diode test voltage of 7 to 12 V and can do higher test currents. But you can do the same test with a lab PSU at a similar voltage (>6V for those 3 die LEDs) in constant current mode set to just a couple of milliamperes.
@adusei-amofahakwasi8
@adusei-amofahakwasi8 6 місяців тому
Please did you use dry cell in testing the individual LED bulbs?
@jivito74
@jivito74 8 місяців тому
This is the first video where some non-trivial repair is done. The others are all about replacing a burned LED
@pechettysaivaraprasad421
@pechettysaivaraprasad421 4 місяці тому
Very nice video i like this 🎉
@garymucher4082
@garymucher4082 Рік тому
Nice repair and effort to spot the fault. I was a bit surprised you just didn't chip off the coating where the creak was to maybe see the broken wire. If it was because it got too hot, I think you would have seen burnt or discolored coating. So it had to be a broken wire... Just my opinion.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
I've tried to chip off the coating on other components before, it's very difficult to do so without damaging what's under it so I wouldn't be confident if I found a broken wire to say if it was the failure point or if I had just broken it. If I were to do this again I would use an acid to dissolve the coating.
@breannestahlman5953
@breannestahlman5953 Рік тому
How do you light themup one by one, how many volts to light them how to do it? Thank you for your video.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
I used a Keithley DMM6500 bench multimeter in diode mode, unlike a typical handheld multimeter it has a relatively high diode test voltage of 7 to 12 V and can do higher test currents. But you can do the same test with a lab PSU at a similar voltage (>6V for those 3 die LEDs) in constant current mode set to just a couple of milliamperes.
@nehorayneemani1039
@nehorayneemani1039 Рік тому
It's looks like a resi­stor. How can you tell from the first sight It's an inductor ???
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Some things that give it away it's an inductor: - PCB overlay has it marked as "L1" and an inductor symbol between the pins - Axial through hole inductors are often that light blue colour and the colour bands decode to a sensible inductance value - It doesn't make sense for their to be a resistor in that place in the circuit but an inductor makes sense - The cross section shows it has a ferrite core and low resistance copper wire wound around it, a wire wound resistor would use a nichrome alloy wire wound around a ceramic core.
@nehorayneemani1039
@nehorayneemani1039 Рік тому
@WizardTim thank you God bless you
@thebatu89
@thebatu89 7 місяців тому
Hi, when checking each smd led using the multimeter till it lights up, do you set it to continuity mode?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim 7 місяців тому
Hi, the multimeter is in diode mode when lighting up the LEDs, continuity mode usually won't supply enough current or voltage to make white LEDs light up. However additionally those LEDs aren't the typical single die white LEDs, they're OSRAM DURIS E 2835 series LEDs so they have a rated forward voltage of between 8.4 and 9.8 V, typically 9.5 V. So your multimeter has to have a rather high diode test voltage. In this video I used a Keithley DMM6500 bench multimeter in diode mode, unlike a typical handheld multimeter it has a relatively high diode test voltage of 7 to 12 V and can do higher test currents. But you can do the same test with a lab PSU at a similar voltage (>6V for those 3 die LEDs) in constant current mode set to just a couple of milliamperes, just be careful of the PSU's output capacitance damaging the LEDs if you set the voltage too high.
@barry7608
@barry7608 Рік тому
Thanks, how do you tell the difference between a resistor and an inductor with that colour coding? I was sure you meant a resistor BUT ….
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Some things that give it away it's an inductor: - PCB overlay has it marked as "L1" and an inductor symbol between the pins - Axial through hole inductors are often that light blue colour and the colour bands decode to a sensible inductance value - The cross section shows it has a ferrite core and low resistance copper wire wound around it, a wire wound resistor would use a nichrome alloy wire wound around a ceramic core. The colour bands are very similar to resistors, the multiplier is the only difference on inductors, there's plenty of online colour band decoders that make it very easy.
@marie-belleferzly
@marie-belleferzly 8 місяців тому
Cool
@92_SA
@92_SA 2 роки тому
I watched the whole video. I can't believe you only got 4xx followers only! This channel is going to shoot up soon.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim 2 роки тому
Thanks! I had 335 subscribers yesterday before posting my last video!
@92_SA
@92_SA 2 роки тому
WizardTim I am telling you it's going to be big. Great job brother
@Gringo_In_Chile
@Gringo_In_Chile 2 роки тому
Hay I jist became # 737 !
@Paxmax
@Paxmax Рік тому
I would imagine the prestress placed on component during chinsy assembly, where they just handbodge it in place, will do them in with thermal cycling. Normally you are not allowed to bend the leads close to package and especially don't do so without proper tools. Then they bend or stretch legs to fit the hole distance, putting a constant stress in it, then they solder at 0mm distance from package end, always a no no typically for axial components. Well, they break every rule in the books. The board designer has magnificent magical stand off by the power of a fixed coordinate system, the assembly guys face gravity, time constraints and corner cuts. In todays outsourced manufacturing the left hemisphere isn't connecting to the right hemisphere, usually profit will sever that vital connection.
@parviz5246
@parviz5246 2 роки тому
Good job buddy Thanks alot
@barry7608
@barry7608 Рік тому
I used to repair the old filament bulbs by holding the bulb at at angle to allow the broken wires to touch then apply power. Often it would fuse and you could get a lot more use
@LuisLara-cq1fj
@LuisLara-cq1fj Рік тому
Very nice analisys of the damaged part. Would be nice that would give a detail on the voltage applied to the leds as you go through. Wich Is It? Thanks!
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
The DURIS E 2835 series LED chip that's in this bulb is rated to have a forward voltage of between 8.4 and 9.8 V, typically 9.5 V.
@LuisLara-cq1fj
@LuisLara-cq1fj Рік тому
Thak you!
@danbarone7643
@danbarone7643 2 місяці тому
Interesting
@mhnoni
@mhnoni Місяць тому
That was awesome, it would've been nice if you showed your multimeter on the screen so for people with basic knowledge understand how you measured the LED and the inductor. Btw, what is the difference between the inductor and resistance? can we use resistance instead? and how can we tell since both look similar?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Місяць тому
Agreed, I even have a special bench-top multimeter than I can screen capture from, but completely forgot when recording this video to do that! In the new videos on this channel I have thankfully remembered (so far) to record the multimeter and put it in the video. The inductor smooths out the noise and voltage spikes on the AC mains to protect the LED circuit in the bulb but also prevent noise from the LED circuit going back out into the AC mains and interfering with other stuff in your house, it does this in combination with the capacitor, this is called an 'LC filter'. It does this by absorbing the voltage spikes in it's magnetic field. A resistor often used for a similar job in combination with a capacitor this is called a 'RC filter', but they have no magnetic field so instead convert energy into heat, thus it would get extremely hot and make the bulb very inefficient. It's often difficult to tell the difference between those axial inductors and resistors but typically you can tell based on the shape, inductors are usually shorter and wider than most resistors. Also ones like the brown one the coating is thin enough you can just make out the windings. In this example it's easier because there's a little inductor symbol on the PCB between the pins and it's labeled 'L1'.
@mhnoni
@mhnoni Місяць тому
​@@WizardTim Thanks a lot, that was a very good detailed explanation. I'm surprised how no video I have watched for the past week trying to learn electronics explained or even mentioned inductors. I even googled inductors vs resistance and I didn't get a clear answer or picture comparison. I just bought a new multimeter so I'm excited to try and test these components myself.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Місяць тому
@@mhnoni Inductors aren't used anywhere near as much as resistors or capacitors so they're usually not taught until later in electronics. You'll probably understand it better if you think of inductors as the compliment to a capacitor rather than a resistor. - Capacitors try to smooth *voltage* by storing energy in their *electric field* - Inductors try to smooth *current* by storing energy in their *magnetic field* - Resistors *limit current* by dissipating energy as *heat* Also you'll find almost all multimeters can't measure inductance, usually you're measuring resistors, capacitors or diodes, you rarely need to measure the inductance of an inductor so they don't include that feature most of the time, in this video I was just measuring the resistance of the inductor to check it wasn't broken internally which of course it was broken. I have an LCR meter to precisely measure inductors, capacitors, resistors and all their characteristics, but you only really need that when designing more advanced circuits.
@zonnig46
@zonnig46 Рік тому
Thanks for this video. What is the function of the inductor in this circuit ?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Likely a combination of EMI/noise suppression, power factor correction, inrush limiting and ripple smoothing on the main DC capacitor.
@zonnig46
@zonnig46 Рік тому
@@WizardTim Thank you very much.
@DKNconsertos
@DKNconsertos Рік тому
ÓTIMO🙄
@laurencecope7083
@laurencecope7083 Рік тому
Failure should not be an issue. The manufacturers over run these lamps to make them fail.
@JesTheii
@JesTheii Рік тому
cool
@martincook4792
@martincook4792 Рік тому
I’m brand new to electronics so not really sure what I’m saying, but is the inductor not a suppressor?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
The inductor resists sudden changes in current by storing energy in it's magnetic field, this is useful for EMI/noise suppression in this LED bulb as it dampens the current spikes from the switching power supply from being conducted back into the house mains cables and possibly interfering with other devices or radiating as a radio signal. It can also help smooth the AC ripple on the DC bulk capacitor as well as adjust the power factor but it's main use is probably for basic EMI suppression (higher power devices will have proper "common and differential mode" EMI suppression filters).
@richardp5161
@richardp5161 Рік тому
Old led bulbs seem like a good source of transformers, what is the transformer in these bulbs? 110 / 12 vac?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
It appeared to be a 3-pin ferrite E core non-isolated transformer for 240 V AC to about 24 V DC.
@allyourpie4323
@allyourpie4323 10 місяців тому
6:34 Looking to fix a light? Why not Zoidbulb?
@knaptonmawson
@knaptonmawson Рік тому
Im trying to fix mine, 24 led,s on a disc, resistance test shows continuity. The circuit board doesn't have a resistor like yours. it has 2 things the same as yours, a capacitor (no bulging) and the square redish parcel. it has 7 small black squares . it has a small glass fuse which is also good. Frustratingly weird cos I cant see the fault. Kanlux GU10 3.6 w
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
I assume you've tested the 24 LEDs individually like I showed in the video to make sure they all still work, if one doesn't work and they're all wired in series the bulb won't light at all, I would imagine this is the most likely cause of it not working. The 'square redish parcel' in your bulb is most likely a polyester X class capacitor being used in a 'capacitive dropper' power supply which is a very different design to the LED bulb in this video, if this is the case it should be a bit bigger than the one in my LED bulb (guessing it will be around 470 nF for a 3.6W bulb). If you have a multi-meter that measures capacitance you can test to see if the capacitor is still good based on the capacitance marking on the side of it (you may have to remove it from the PCB to test it 'out of circuit' to get an accurate reading), those types of film capacitors often degrade over time losing their capacitance which causes the bulb to be dimmer until it stops working completely. The 7 small black squares are likely a combination of diodes and resistors, those are unlikely to be the fault but you can test those with a multi-meter.
@knaptonmawson
@knaptonmawson Рік тому
@WizardTim Hi. All led,s tested including on the back of the disk, the 2 solderd points. The x capacitor says cbb22 684J 400v. On 2000k test it says 550. I can't get any reading on the ų value. The other capacitor is a 4.7 ųf 400v and reads on 2000k 460 and again no reading on the ų value, trying from 20ų to 200m. The wires from the pcb to the bayonet prongs are good. Am i right in thinking if i connected a 3.6w power source to the back of the led disk they should light up if they are good? Thanks, John
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
@@knaptonmawson The 684J marking means the capacitor is "68 with 4 zeros" 680000 pf (680 nF). Your multi-meter may not be able to measure the capacitor as it's too small for it, it would appear as "0000.68" in the 20u range, assuming you have 2 decimal places on the LCD. I think your options are to de-solder the X class capacitor to measure it out of circuit on a better multi-meter or just assume it's bad and see if replacing it with an exactly equivalent capacitor will make it work again. I would recommend visiting an electronics hobby shop or even a makerspace if you have one nearby, you might be able to buy the right capacitor there or someone there might be able to test the capacitor for you but also help you test it safely. Here's a video that explains this type of capacitive dropper power supply: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/ZZ5jZpmokaGpr4U.html To light up the LED disk you'll need the correct voltage and enough current rather than just any power source with enough watts, for 24 LEDs in series you'd need something between 40 and 100 V DC but you will also need to limit the current otherwise it will draw too much current and blow up instantly.
@knaptonmawson
@knaptonmawson Рік тому
@WizardTim Thanks a bunch, i will consider the possibility of replacing the x capacitor. I hate throwing things away that looks simple enough to repair .(if you know what you are doing) I do understand that you need resistors when using leds, so you dont just instantly blow them. John.
@bkhoavo
@bkhoavo Місяць тому
Don’t ever let this guy investigate the crime you committed.
@muhammadbasir83
@muhammadbasir83 Рік тому
It's amazing that those tiny wire is Hexagonal.
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Yeah, it's pretty interesting that they look hexagonal, however looking at them under a 100x microscope they are much more circular, it's difficult to tell but I think they may be deformed as they're wound onto the inductor core.
@muhammadbasir83
@muhammadbasir83 Рік тому
@@WizardTim Thanks for the additional information.
@TheSalemSaberhagen
@TheSalemSaberhagen Рік тому
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@gio0042
@gio0042 Рік тому
I would've thought that was a resistor... How can we differenciate them from inductors?
@WizardTim
@WizardTim Рік тому
Some things that give it away it's an inductor: - PCB overlay has it marked as "L1" and an inductor symbol between the pins - Axial through hole inductors are often that light blue colour and the colour bands decode to a sensible inductance value - It doesn't make sense for their to be a resistor in that place in the circuit but an inductor makes sense - The cross section shows it has a ferrite core and low resistance copper wire wound around it, a wire wound resistor would use a nichrome alloy wire wound around a ceramic core.
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