Me Too 😢

EVs are really only a valid option if you have a charger at home. There is no point to get one if you have to charge away from home. Tesla MAY be an option but you have to be careful.

Not to mention if you live somewhere that has real winters... Or you wanted to tow or carry something.

It would be exciting to live life at charging stations!

Anyone not from the Christian Race is from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

That's a level 2 charger in a garage; not meant for full charging, but rather getting some juice while you are shopping. Again - I wouldn't recommend an EV if you can't charge at home.

To put that in perspective that’s like roughly driving from Manly to Port Macquarie 😩

@@ithomas101most of us in the western US visit places that are hours away. EVs will never be serviceable in this environment. That coupled with electricity comes from natural gas and coal EVs don’t even make sense

My car charges while I sleep. I've never waited a single minute for my car to charge.

@@dand5829 But, not everyone is the same situation as you.

The answer is simple: you let the car go without a full tank. That's common with petrol vehicles, I can't remember the last time my car had a full tank when picking up. No reason the same thing couldn't happen with EVs. You plug them in when returned and whatever it is when the next customer picks it up is what it is

@@repatch43That’s just ridiculous. So, someone in a hurry from the airport is supposed to stop for a hour immediately after getting their rental car, if they can even find a working charger in a city they are not familiar with? Sure thing. There’s a bit of difference in topping off a gas tank and charging an EV.

@@Hawk89gt If you think it's ridiculous, don't get an EV? This is another example of misunderstanding of what EVs are. Even with half a 'tank' you can still go 150-200 miles in most EVs you'll be renting, if you're planning to do a major road trip after landing ya, that's a problem, and the solution would be to ask for a vehicle that was 'full'. But for most people it's a non issue, they simply don't drive that far with their rental. I rented a car (gas) in Florida last year for 18 days, I didn't have to 'refill' it until I was on the way back to the airport. I probably put on a total of about 300 miles the whole trip, so ya, had I gotten an EV I would have had to top it up sooner. This range anxiety has been conflated with so much FUD that all rationality has left most discussions.

Now you see why Hertz ditched EV.

Remind me of the days to be kind please rewind you know the video tape days of rental tapes

I'm with you. I looked at an EV but settled on a Cerato. Half the cost and I can fill up between Goondiwindi and Balranold no probs and no stress. And if I want, I can still tow a caravan (yes small one but it's just me).

Shell Is Closing 1000 Gas Stations To Focus On EV Charging

@@2DogsVlogs Here in the UK the government will get about 24 billion pounds annually from fuel duties, no one with any brain will assume that they are prepared to loose such sum if everybody go electric; and another thing, when all service stations stop selling fuel, as there would be no demand, what happens with portable generators?

As an EV driver I completely agree with you !!

They are making sure that you won't have a choice, by going after the manufacturers. They use things like the interstate commerce clause against companies as a proxy to violate your rights. Same with firearms manufacturers. Once the unelected class in Washington decides that your rights don't align with their vision, you won't know until it's too late.

My thoughts exactly! But all the new cars looked the same. ;)

That thought didn't escape me either

Even better. I have an EV and every day I wake up and my car is full. Charging fully takes me 12 seconds. 6 seconds to plug in when I get home 6 to unplug in the morning So the rest of the evening, I watch Submitters mom on Onlyfans.

@@BarryObaminable My car has 700 km of range, so I only need to fill up every 2 weeks or so in normal use, so averaged out that's probably about as much time as I spend fueling per day. But on a road trip it will still only take me 5 minutes to refill, and no waiting for chargers. Though I'll admit to having had to wait a minute or two to get a pump sometimes at the major highway service centers.

@@BarryObaminable Your a Muppet....

True

If one has a house, perhaps not an immediate problem. However, some insurance companies are raising home insurance rates for EV owners owing to the risk of the EV burning the house down. Other insurance companies are refusing to insure those homes altogether.

That 4 hours charge time was for a Rav4 Prime, which only supports Level 1 or Level 2 charging, because the battery is only 14.4 kW-hr usable capacity. There are 3 settings for charge rate you can set on the car's dash panel: MAX (32 amps), 16 amps, or 8 amps. It's possible that this Rav was set up for 16 amps instead of MAX, and the driver didn't notice. Those Clipper Creek chargers deliver 30 amps and if the voltage feed is at least 240 volts, a 30 amp Clipper Creek charger will charge a Rav4 Prime in 2 hours to 48 miles of range, or 2.75 hours to 54 miles of range (the maximum). I own a Rav4 Prime and frequently use Clipper Creek or Volta public chargers, and my typical full-charge session is 2.75 hours at 6,000 watts.

@@laura-ann.0726 I can refuel my Diamond DA40NG in

@@grayrabbit2211- I looked up the specs, and they are pretty impressive! The engine is a 2 liter, water cooled, 4-in-line naturally aspirated diesel, 168 hp. Fuel burn is 9.25 gal/hr at takeoff power, 5 gal/hr at 60% cruise power. Ceiling would be about 12,000 ft since the engine isn't turbocharged, and the cabin isn't pressurized. Fuel consumption at cruise power settings at 5,000 feet would be about 25 miles per gallon, which is amazing for an airplane. A Cessna 172 gets only about 15 mpg by comparison. I assume the difference comes from the fact that diesel engines have a lot better thermal efficiency than the typical low-compression Lycoming and Continental 4's and 6's burning 100LL avgas. Can you burn road diesel in it, or just Jet 4 kerosene?

If you wanted to wear a tin foil hat, I’d say that’s exactly what they want. “Oh, you don’t have spare time, you want to spend it with your family? Well here’s the )10 per kw charger”. Or they want us to look at a trip and go “you know what, I can’t be bothered, I’m staying at home”.

They could implement a bid system whereby the customer increases the price they are prepared to pay to get faster throughput, the more you pay the faster you charge. Also, don’t see why you couldn’t walk through a drive-thru 🤔

@@twig3288 I've actually walked through a drive through. Some places will serve you and some won't.

Cali already know they have a problem. They also have nuclear power that doesn’t work during a drought

I just travelled to LA, and it seemed like a bit more than 3%, probably around double that. I didn't leave the city, so I assume LA has a high concentration of electric cars compared to the rest of the state. One thing that really struck me is how much freeway traffic there is even out of rush hour. Edit: at 27:30 he gives stats for LA county - 4.5%. I thought there were more, but it does match what I thought about being more than the 3%.

He went to the same charger multiple times while there are always multiple locations. I wonder if he would he would try going to Costco to fuel his car multiple times or just look for another location? His video seems a bit disingenuous.

@@michealnordin Why would people queue for so long if there are more good chargers nearby? Did they specifically want to charge while at Walmart?

And the elites want to mandate EVs by 2030 in so many "first world" countries. What a joke. The transportation and logistics industry will fall to a standstill with everyone waiting to charge.

Good luck trying to build a new power plant or new grid lines due to regulations and activists.

Just as well not everyone is swapping their ICE for an EV overnight then isn't it.

@@longstops1430 Except the governments are forcing EVs. Just look at the newer restrictions in ICEs. Ford doesn't even make a car anymore because of it. You can't buy a small, light pickup truck in the USA because of the environmental restrictions which make it infeasible for manufacturers to make one here.

@@grayrabbit2211 'forcing' is not correct. Defintely incentivising. However that's not the topic for converstion. Not everyone is going to buy an EV tomorrow and plug it into the grid. The grid will grow as EVs grow. There is no threat to the grid whatsoever.

@@longstops1430 It's forced. If you're not allowed to buy what you want, you are being forced to buy something else. We're already there now -- good luck getting a V8 or V12 in a car these days. Even the mighty Mercedes S-Class comes with a V6 by default. V8 as a pricey option. No option for a V12. The grid (at least here) CAN'T grow. No new power plants built in decades. Major opposition to those currently in service. Nuke plants are ageing out and being taken offline. Activists preventing new ones from being built. btw, I've been doing solar power since the 1990s. Even enjoying my solar setup, I still am NOT a fan of EVs, or widespread solar power for that matter. Widespread solar installations means power companies are required to use dirtier sources of electricity (read: diesel/oil generators) that can spin up quickly when clouds roll in. The large, efficient gas/steam turbines aren't able to react fast enough to these sudden changes.

EVs make small planes look attractive. 1,000 mile range, refuel in

Exactly. Life's too short to be sat at chargers. They can stick their EVs where the sun don't shine.

485kms on 65 litres of fuel WTF. That is some of the worst fuel economy I have ever seen

Nearly all houses in the US has 220v outlets for dryers etc which is pretty much equivalent to Australia.

@tigertoo01 yep it's a 3.3 tonne work van box, so that is actually pretty good.

​@@tigertoo0165 litres at 141p per litre in the uk is £90 to go 300 miles 😅😅😅 I charge my EV at home for £6 and go 300 miles. And being a smart driver I plan my charging around lunch and toilet breaks if I go long distances, which is rarer than hens teeth. With the state fast charging in the UK, you can do lands end to John O groats at no extra cost in time as you have to stop anyway. no one does 800miles in one sitting

L😂L I would not have the Patience to get into that queue. And I bet these people do it all the time. ⏳️

Tesla chargers isn’t that crazy, and 90% of time one chargers at home.. and ride is fun compared to any gas guzzlers

Don't you care about Greta's tears ?

@@kuldeuec many people cannot charge at home. I recently had an Uber ride in a Tesla. This guy didn't charge at home. He charged at a supercharg station on his way home. He said his Tesla cost about the same to run as his previous Camry hybrid. But it cost him about 45 minutes every day to recharge. He said he was planning to go back to a hybrid, but was worried about the depreciation of the Tesla, especially when compared to the hybrid Camry.

@@kuldeuec Why would you charge at home? Too much of a hazzle.

He did say the Tesla chargers are very reliable.

@@danabe3220 Tell that to those in Illinois where the Tesla chargers slowed to a trickle due to the cold and dozens had to be towed.

@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL It's not the cars fault.That's called user error. You buy an electric car you better know how to prepare for those situations.

@@PowerNGlory It's the Tesla drivers' fault for being too poor to afford a house with a garage and charger. You tell those uppity working class Americans, PNG! They should stay out of Obama's Martha's Vineyard zip codes and take the DNC's rolling asylums for the criminally insane to work!

More like don't rent an EV in LA without a good plan to charge it.

Soon governments will make you wait for gas and diesel as well. Just to promote EVs.

I can't imagine that. That's why I bought a '24 Tesla Model Y. No charging issues at all.

I rented a Tesla to drive from Chicago to Disney and back. I wouldn't buy a Tesla because the seat belt cut across my neck rather than my chest and I never figured out if it was adjustable. Charging was workable but it was a 25 min. stop at a supercharger so we had to make sure we ate only near chargers and used bathrooms only near chargers which, once, meant we had to impose on a restaurant we weren't eating at. The interesting thing was we got used to seeing the same group of cars charging at each stop so we bonded with a few fellow travelers. My takeaway, for highways, chargers can't be thought of like regular gas stations but more as amenities at restaurants and rest stops. At least the restaurant owner would have an incentive to make sure the chargers were maintained. Personally, I plan for my next vehicle to be a plug in hybrid. That way I can charge at home maybe without even a level 2 charger although I am currently looking into installing one to drive on electricity most o the time and when I go out of town, I can buy gas and stop at my preferred restaurants like driving any other car.

Masochists.

Have owned both. For me the EV is more convenient. I haven't dealt much with public chargers though.

Same reason they vote democrats, who put all this BS on us...

Because most of them 'genuinely' believe they are 'greener' than modern diesel/petrol cars which is plain nonsense. I get it that cities may need them but beyond there, they would send me round the twist. I fill my (80 ltrs) tank from empty to full in 3 to 4 minutes and I don't even look at it for over a fortnight. Faffing around constantly with apps or plugging it in every evening (or, for some, every opportunity!) is not my idea of enjoyable motoring. And besides, I LOVE my diesel Mercedes❤❤

Most of my driving is short trips around town. That meant my gas mileage was unacceptably poor and I was spending way too much with each fill up. That is why I now have an EV. I have a charger in my garage at home. I plug in overnight about twice a week and by morning, the car is charged and ready to go. I have never needed a public charger. Over the past year, I have not noticed any change in my electricity bill. My power is clean since it comes from a hydro electric generator. How long it takes to charge is irrelevant since it happens while I am asleep. I have not had to pay for any maintenance. In other words, I am not paying any operational costs. I’m a happy EV owner.

It definitely wasn’t fun!

@@CarExpertAusand thats the future here.

​@@ma77mc Why would it be the same, most Australian have landed housing and solar. If you dont have access to a home charger, dont buy one

@@PsychedMedia maybe outside the city, Sydney and Melbourne have a higher proportion of units than LA.

It's as if people with EVs enjoy having charging problems

You talk crap. Have you had physics in your primary school? Do you know what RMS means? Do you understand what "phase" mean? If it is "no" to all above questions, stop making idiot of yourself

EV owners see the saving when they charge at home compared with petrol at the pump. What they often forget (fail to mention) is the price premium on the initial purchase & the far greater depreciation of EV's. Long term, ICE vehicles are cheaper to own than EV's and a lot less stressful.

And how often do you need to fill your car up? Meanwhile EV drivers often only use public chargers 3-4 times a year at most

I didn’t even need to go to BP! I recharged my car whilst I slept at home 👌

@@Clove_Parma😂EV owners use public charging a lot more than 3-4 times a year!!… especially where EV’s are used in the city where there is often a lack of off-street parking or the vehicle is parked in a parking complex and the owner doesn’t have access to a private power receptacle. Fuel is abundant and quick!!

@@Clove_ParmaThat's it. 15K's of driving in 5 months.. Supercharged twice. :)

and you don't even need an app to pay

Some 80% of EV owners report they charge at home at night, not at public chargers. Gasoline cars had the same problems, there were NO gas stations anywhere, to get gas you got it from the hardware store, which IF they carried it had it in a barrel in a shed out back, the clerk had to draw gas from the barrel and funnel it into your tank with a pitcher. DEMAND led to supply, as demand increased gas stations were built, its the same with EV's

​@@HobbyOrganistand what's the predicted timescale for getting as good as ICE serving stations and infrastructure nationwide? 20, 30, 40 years? Why are national governments not making it work while telling us we won't be able to buy ICE in the future because 'they're bad for the planet'? Nothing in EV world makes sense. It's a gigantic scam.

@@HobbyOrganist electric vehicles are heavier = less safe and more abuse on the roads. Also electric generation is currently still with coal, natural gas or nuclear. How exactly is that saving the environment? Not to mention a ICE car will have a longer life than a battery… needing a battery every 5 years regardless if you drive vs ice car that might need some work on it every 100k miles driven regardless of years.

@@svr5423its too bad everything has an app these days. It reminds me of the Jucero scam

If I were to buy an EV, it'd be a Tesla due to this... I seriously did look at the Model S, but in the end it wasn't going to work with my life and job. Very happy getting 44mpg in my luxury barge.

That's why you never use that plug unless emergency.

lmao.. his take would be ...'if they just banned gas, we could progress EVs faster. clueless that its apparent that basically every parking spot anywhere, needs a charger. just a dozen or so more million chargers away from completion lol these morons are making it worse than it needed to be by not using home charging. half thats because its like 2 grand for a decent home charger. otherwise its like charging 20,000 phones with one charger lol so they opt out of that and only rely on local charging instead. hense the buttfuk story at that Wal Mart lol

Super conceited guy

He'd be roid raging...

@@volvo24091he, and most of his ilk, just can’t help themselves. Compulsive oblatory smug superior prats. There’s just no need for it. Be honest fair and reasonable.

For Viking, it has nothing to do with logic. It is a religion and this video is blasphemous.

Thank you for this very insightful response, sir. Your knowledge of the subject is so refreshing. As so often, our politicians know nothing about what it takes to get things done in the real world since they are so far removed from it. They always expect to see results from their mandates and haven't a clue.

You fail to appreciate the fact the technology changes rapidly, the batteries we have at this moment could be totally different in 2,3,5 years, it only takes ONE person in a lab doing experiments to make breakthroughs

​@@HobbyOrganist Regardless of battery technology, massive amounts of power must be generated and distributed to be pumped into them.

Yep. It's like there needs to be a separate set of conductors running everywhere to supply that extra power. It better be massive too because that's a lot vehicles. I don't think the people who are pushing for this really have an understanding of electricity let alone what it takes to generate it and distribute it.

This is insanity. What benefit is there to EV's if one needs a diesel powered generator to provide the electrical power? Why not just forget about the EV and use the diesel fuel to power the car? It is more efficient, especially in northern climates where a portion of the EV power is used for interior heat and defrosting and battery power decreases with temperature. The public has once again shown how totally ignorant they are. They have been sucked in by politicians, a group even more stupid and ignorant.

Because he was in CALIFORNIA, the rest of the country is not like that in population, sheer number of people and cars jammed into small areas. Plugshare maps shows the chargers all over the USA, some even not far from me in rural Iowa in a town of 1,600 people

@@HobbyOrganist Are there any gas stations near your small town?

... and spend HOURS in a lovely WalMart parking lot too!

@@HobbyOrganist I live in Texas in a town of 7500 people. There is literally ONE Public EV charger location listed in my city. When I went by that location out of curiosity, there isn't actually even an EV charger at that location, it was mistakenly listed (maybe they removed it?). The nearest beyond that is 20 miles away. And although I'm in a small town, it's within commute distance of Houston - so it's not like I'm really out in bumf nowhere. I would love for EVs to be practical, but they just aren't, and no amount of screaming from activists denying that is going to change it, unless we actually get serious about infrastructure.

@@AlvinBrinson I live in Idaho, and in large parts of the state- there are hardly any gas stations, much less any electric charging stations

You should have bought a Tesla.

@@cyclopsvision6370 Share a secret with you. if you buy ICE you are allowed by magic to use any recharging station. Even more amazing, each and any of them are super fast as it takes only a couple of minute to refill completly. Amazing isn't it?

@@cyclopsvision6370 Wrong! Should have bought an ICE unless you actually enjoy this sort of nonsense.

Why didn't you charge earlier? Why did you rely on the last charger? It was your fault, not the car's fault. A smart person would stop when the car was at 40-50% charge for 10-20 mins to 80% and get enough juice to finish the journey. If it didn't work he-she would go to the next one. But we are talking about smart persons. Sorry pal, enjoy your ICE car now.

@@chrishar110 a smart person would charge no more than 80% and would stop for recharging at 50%. What a shitty life

You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.

@@lamborghini0610literally lmao^

and me with my sportage ahah

@@lamborghini0610 A Tesla supercharger is just a box full of electronic components connected to the grid, exactly like every other EV charger. They use the same electricity, take just as long to charge the battery, and cost just as much to use. The only difference is that Elon downloads all your data and sells it on to third parties for nefarious reasons. The so-called Tesla advantage is a myth. It doesn't exist.

I'll stick to my petrol and diesel cars.😂

Twice the depreciation, twice the strain on the already-failing electrical grid. What's not to love?

Don’t forget the almost zero resale value of EVs

​@@jimsteinway695Teslas selling for $20,000 with 150k miles is 0 value?

Reading your comment, I hear Chris Farley's voice in my head.

Op it will be the bootah reaming of the century

@@yeahbuddy92193911 Yeah but who would buy that? Sooner or later you run out of idiots.

Toyota made an EV, the BZX4. Range is rubbish though.

No problems with our Model Ys. Charge every night in our garage while we sleep. Road trips very easy with 27,000 very reliable Superchargers. I'll never go back to gas. And hybrids? I rather have a gas car than a hybrid.

@@777Outrigger Why rather gas than hybrid?

@@siraff4461 Added complexity. .... And you still have to do all the ICE maintenance, like oil changes, transmission fluid changes, spark plug changes, etc., etc. I'd feel like I had a gas car with just a tiny battery. All the advantages that hybrids supposedly have over BEVs, like no range anxiety, just doesn't jive with my experience.

@@777Outrigger I've owned a Kuga (Escape) phev for about three years now from new. It was the replacement for the model S after I rejected it and sent it back - after a lot of headaches. I've had ev's since 2010 and most have similar issues - out of range they are generally a complete pain and that range is much lower in the cold on a motorway in the first place. I always had another vehicle available because there are journeys I do which they simply couldn't in the timeframe I have - including the Tesla. Please don't make me laugh with the servicing nonsense. The Leaf needed a battery at 4 years old and Nissan took the car back at book price after a solicitors letter since I wasn't willing to pay over £10k to have it repaired - especially since it was allegedly still under warranty. Apparently if you charge it on rapids a lot (which you need to in a gen 1 Leaf if you want to go anywhere) they try to void it. That was after an elelctronic handbrake failure and a few glitches in the electronics which turned out to be a duff 12v. The Kuga has had inspections each year. It doesn't need oil until year four, plugs are lifetime, trans is CVT and sealed for life, etc. In three years its needed a pair of front tyres and a cabin filter. Servicing was included in the price up until 5 years old. The Zoe needed a yearly "service" which seemed to be a similar inspection. Difference being it cost almost £300 each time for no reason I could fathom. It also went through two sets of fronts in two years with no reason I could see for it doing so, had leaking front door seals and a satnav which always thought I was in a certain place around 15 miles from me. Then there was the Tesla. over £80k and turned up looking like it had been crashed and badly repaired. Then the frunk wouldn't open. Then the passsenger door handle failed. Then the trim inside the trunk lid fell off. Then there was water ingress in the boot. Then there was a rear brake issue. Then there was some sensor issue which put it in a mode to only crawl onto a trailer. On it went one thing after another. While electric was ultra cheap it was sort of worth it but now its just daft. Between the massive rise in electricity costs, the massive rise in insurance for ev's and the depreciation hit - not to mention the extra finance or loss of capital for the higher cost of entry - its all one way. Then whenever you're looking for a charger or waiting charging you could be doing something useful. Would you go to work for free? If not add your hourly rate to however long you spend on detours or charging. Its not a small ammount over a year and thats with me having a house where I can charge. Speaking of which my home insurance also stipulated ev's should not be charged within three meters of any building on the property or it voids the policy - with the option to allow it almost tripling the premium. I can't imagine they would do that for nothing.

You meant Texas for blackouts.

It’s been done

Then it would be more efficient to just drive a 4 cylinder gas car, or a hybrid. which it is.

Would that vehicle still be called an EV if it's reliant on a diesel generator to keep it going?

@@markprinsloo4258 It’s as much an EV whether it gets its electricity directly from a fossil fueled generator in the truck bed or from a fossil fueled power plant hundreds of miles away. At least with a generator on board you have the piece of mind knowing your going to get home.

Naw, 50 mile extension cord...

You won't be able to kill that thing. They'll always make parts for it.

@ grayrabbit2211-- If I need parts for it, I hope that I can find them. I plan on driving it for many more years.

To be honest, how long do you spend filling up your car every week? If you can charge an EV at home, then you are saving more of that precious time you mention. If you are not making a heap of road trips that need you to charge in order to get to your destination, then you won't be using up that time waiting for a charger. I have both an EV and diesel SUV and actually prefer the EV on a day to day basis.

AMEN to that

@@louthomas3466 How about those rare times people do a road trip every year? Also as people age things happen requiring long trips. My Uncle who was recently diagnosed with cancer and lives in a small town has to travel 300km to a major city a few times a week to meet his appointments. I was asked to drive him a couple times while he was tried and going through consultations and treatments. About 50 so far over the last 2 years. I'm not willing to go through this with an EV and what a disaster it could be.

@@louthomas3466Nearly no one can afford two new cars if your middle class and trying to budget money well. Thats only for rich people.

You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.

Not only Australia

They want them to be ready and it’s like pushing little kids on two wheels before they even know how to.😂 don’t worry about what problems lie ahead!!! Close your eyes and just pray, nothing will happen!!🙈 this is the current problem when it comes to trucking and the number one reason why everything is more expensive at the grocery store! FYI Same problem just more money and time being spent!!

It's all about the subsidies

They are just answering to their Masters, in the government

Yep 30 seconds of my time to charge at work or at home is way easier than cueing for fuel.

It is 'queue' not 'cue'.

Queue.

@@wigs1098 either way you're snookered owning an ev.

​@@dickwilliam3793 ...what a lovely pun(ter)... 😂

What's superior in every way is LPG; Australia is self-sufficient, the fuel has the lowest emissions of any fossil fuel, has the highest octane rating, burns clean so oil change intervals can be extended, can't foul the environment like petrol or diesel.

@@petesmittburns 3x as quick and is available almost nowhere

@@effigy42 20% less energy, not 300% and the cheaper price easily makes up for the discrepancy; LPG is everywhere in Melbourne but it's true that the market for LPG is shrinking, given that the taxi and courier fleet no longer all run on LPG, as they did back in the good old days.

@@petesmittyou’re a smart man 👌🏻

You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.

Who only gets 27MPG? I drive a full-on luxury BARGE with another 500+lbs of options on it and get 43.5MPG average. NOT a hybrid either.

Is it not rather obvious it's a really bad idea to rent an EV for a road trip along unknown routes?

@@SweBeach2023 Absolutely, I would never do it, but I’m assuming they got caught up in the excitement of the EV experience, a spur of the moment thing…

​@@127Foxtrot they probably happily wore their useless paper masks the whole time.

@SweBeach2023 @@SweBeach2023 Is it not rather obvious it's a really bad idea to buy an EV?

joke yes if you dont get a tesla/ the only company responsible enough not to play jokes with that.

The Toyota hybrids are the benchmark, yet they are relatively conservatively engineered. If EV batteries improve significantly, the Toyota hybrids should be more impressive.

I would like to become fully electric with solar, tesla power wall and ev. Due to my age I am probably going all out tesla. I do have issues with all automotive costs including insurance and repairs. I don't need any of these wants as Uber and Enterprise serve my driving needs nicely and my electric bill ranges from 30 to 40 dollars monthly.

I ordered a new Sienna,and one year later it was delivered. I ordered a 2023, but got a 2024 for the same price and with more options. I average 32 running around town. Ironically, it gets better mileage than my wife’s fuel efficient smaller car.

@@timothykeith1367 My gripe with the Toyotas is the fuel economy isn't so great. My full German luxury barge gets 43.5MPG average, and it's a no-compromise machine. Just the options alone added an extra 500+ lbs. I wanted the hybrid version which I was getting 85MPG when I drove one in Europe, but the US government wouldn't allow it. The key for me is that my car will drop the engine out at highway speeds, whereas Toyota requires the engine be running once you get above ~20-25mph. I do a ton of highway driving. I'll never knock Toyota for reliability and parts cost though. They make simple machines and do a great job at it.

@@timothykeith1367 Toyota understands that less is more when it comes to batteries...They put a battery just big enough to do your daily commuting in, so you can plug it into a standard outlet at home at night without having to rewire your entire house and have it ready for the next morning. Vs for example that Rivian, which has such a massive battery that if you plugged it into a 120 on a cold day would use up all that power just keeping the battery warm

The US is 110v

Depends on how far you generally travel in a day. If you can charge from your own solar and you don't go further than the range of your car in a day, none of this would affect you. Even on a long trip, a lot of this seems to be down to the low mains voltage in the USA. A lot of people who drive EVs in Australia say they get on fine.

"Regional city in Australia WTF do you mean by Regional Australia? That could mean 200km or less from nearest big city. Any 400km Range BEV would be perfect for you use case. I use work all over the Gippsland region. The regional office / equipment yard was in Morwell. Having a 400km Range BEV would of been very easy to deal with.

@@moragkerr957795% of days I am at home or traveling nearby. Its the other 20-30 days a year when i aren't that are a problem. Most xmas and Easter holidays involve long road trips to see family. Route planning, hoping EV chargers are working and queuing for other EV's in peak periods isn't something I'm not prepared to do.

Oh, if you have solar, charging is “free”. Just talk to a Teslite. You don’t worry about the cost/opportunity cost of the panels, nor the cost of the electricity needed for your home because you put it in your car instead. It’s like “girl math”.

or having a Tesla (who have their own excellent charging network)

Charging anxiety……go with a hybrid. With the cost of gas and the amount of driving I do, the difference over a year is $1,000 or $20 a week, so the cost savings is minimal

That’s a fair conclusion on this day at this location.

Especially doing back to back long trips. If I get home after a long trip I usually don't really go far for the next day or two, so a wall outlet has some time to get me back up to a decent state of charge. And I'm using an Australian 240V outlet, not a US 120V outlet.

i could probably use an electric car if i could charge at home, but as a renter that'll never happen. parking is too far from electric supply and my landlord moans about cost of a 30c tap washer (that they claim on tax), so is unlikely to pay to put in a charging system, which for an apartment complex would be 10s of thousands of dollars.

I really like your point about the charger and $$ turnover etc. Not thought about that before.

DC Fast charging costs $0.40-$0.50 per kWh, the equivalent of 20-25 mpg depending on your fuel economy and $/gallon. Buying a gallon of gasoline is a flat $3.20 (or whatever) for 34kwh. The issue is the "demand charges" for the electric utility service. Residential electric you only pay $/kwh. Commercial Services could add $12 - $40 PER KW (depending on the utility tariff and time of year)! A 350kW Charger electric meter may have to pay 350kw*$12/kw = $4200 per month AND the $/kWh. I can charge at work for free.

Liberals don't understand economics. They believe in magical thinking.

Correct. And we own two EVs. But also a Tacoma. 😅

Ev charges rarely do more than 1 car an hour in real life conditions

Its worse than that because those 10-12 cars will be gaining far more distance in that time too. Average tank, average ice is going to easily take you 500m/800km - some more than double that. Average gain to an ev in an hour? Well on a 50kW charger best case would be 50kWh which is somewhere between 100 and 150 miles in most cars. IF it can charge at 150kW for an hour (most can't) and if the charger supports it then in theory it could be as much as 450mi. So you only need between 12 and 60 chargers to match the output of each pump. So on most forecourts (10-20 pumps) thats between 120 and 1200 chargers. Lets call it 500 for a nice round average. I would dearly love to see the nightmare plans to rip up half of the country for the power feed needed to supply that.

As soon as a EV battery will recharge from 20 to 80 % within 5 minutes, I will buy a EV. 2035 ?

In theory, DC fast charge stations should be substantially lower maintenance than gas pumps; they don't have nearly as many moving parts, and don't need to deal with pumping a volatile fluid through them constantly and don't require periodic deliveries of gas to the station to keep energy flowing. Other than some cooling loops, it's all solid-state electronics. In practice, all the first-generation hardware has had growing pains that has prevented them from being economical. Eventually the stations should be very low-cost to operate once the kinks are worked out, but that's not the reality today.

@@siraff4461 800 km on a tank of gas? Most vehicles don't have something that big, perhaps 500km though for the average vehicle and driving reasonably, not speeding down the highway.

You can also throw some jerry cans in the back if you're going out woop woop; cant put electrons in a container like that.

@@deanchur You can carry a spare powerbank with a 230V inverter to recharge your BEV :)

@@svr5423 and get less than 1 mile of charge with that powerbank.

ev owners need to join together and start destroying the chargers that constantly fail so others dont waste time trying to connect..

Why didn’t you buy a Tesla? Silly to buy anything else. 😂😂😂😂

@@205rider8 I did. Tesla chargers are few and far between.

@@Gedsterboy So what was your motivation to buy one considering these things have been common knowledge here for a long time now?

Do some research and you may find that some of them are owned by dirty oil companies. It is their mission to leave them broke to persuade the public not to go EV. Instavolt was brought by dirty oil.. Its prices were hiked too. You don't see broken petrol pumps. You also don't see petrol pumps that only accept a sign up app in order to fill up. Just a card and a pin. Card and pin works against theft. Wireless doesn't. The systems rigged and the companies should be fined and banned from entering the EV market.

😂

EVangelicals don’t think your comment is funny.

@@namechecksout6300 no it is reality. but it is also 1% of EV ownership

​@@namechecksout6300The sarcasm is not wasted on me. 😂

and EV performance is even worse in cold climates. Look at all the dead Teslas in Chicago this year.

that's assuming you have a home. The majority of Americans don't live in single family homes.

To pretend to be a planet savior

Because Ride Sharing drivers want to use them because it's more profitable. That's the only reason to live with an EV if you don't have permanent private charging. It doesn't have to be at home, some people have regular schedule jobs and drive to chargers at work.

@@Neojhun Bingo, and probably the biggest problem in terms of their useage. You literally see them running laps between superchargers (when I owned a Tesla) and between public chargers (now that I own another EV). They've literally become taxi refueling stations in some locations as a result.

Virtue signaling is VERY important to people here in Southern California. First it was Prius. Then Range Rover. Now Tesla. Seems to maybe be moving to Rivian. Gotta keep up with the Jones.

Just buy a Tesla! Use your brains instead of your emotions. Why even bother buying other EVs??

Battery swapping? Sounds like an expensive undertaking. The major cost of an EV is the battery. They deteriorate with time. Anyone want to play Russian roulette with their EV battery?

Battery swapping would be even more complex. Not every battery is going to be in the same condition and you'd still need to have a battery with full charge with the same charging time.

Or if you need to do long range trips and rely on a charging network that isn't up to it. I can't imagine doing a long distance trip in an EV at Xmas or Easter, having to plan your trip and hope the chargers aren't full or broken.

Our City is rolling our SMART household Electricity meters where "load regulation /limiting" will be managed from a control centre. During these peak periods minimum amps available for lighting / pc's etc ( EV home-charging will result load being cut completely at home for exceeding usage limit)

​@@ericraut8574 Damn 😮

Don't forget the time it took you to drive to the petrol station and back onto your route. I filled my EV overnight in my own garage and it took me roughly 10 second to plug it in. Those 10 seconds to plug in was the only thing I wouldn't have done anyway on a normal day with a petrol car.

@@dand5829 Sure, but how far can you go before you have to stop and fill it up again, and how long does it take you?

@@TypeZA 500km, fills up while I sleep at home so the length of time is irrelevant 6-8hrs, who cares. I have a campervan for longer journeys.

more BS@@dand5829

@@dand5829the worst thing about electric cars car the arrogant, self entitled people like you who drive them . Millions, including me, cannot . I fill up my petrol car on route to where I am going .

Where do people have 240v in the USA/Canada? Without an electrician? The vast majority of the US population DOES NOT live in single-family homes with garages.

Not all local grids in the US actually deliver 240 volts. It depends on the transformer in your housing development or business park. I've noticed that a lot of campgrounds with electric hookups, where the power pedestal has a NEMA 14-50 outlet, you aren't getting 240 volts - it's a lot less than that: 208 and 212 volts at the last two campgrounds I checked. My power supply at home is 248 volts, and I've tested a few outlets in other places around California that are 220 volts. So it's all over the map. Level 2 EVSE's are designed to deliver a fixed amperage: typically 10, 16, 20, 24, or 32 amps, depending on make and model of the charger. If the EVSE is plugged into an outlet that is supplying at least 240 volts, you are getting the "full" power in kilowatts that your car's battery charging system expects. In my Rav4 Prime, the on-board charger is rated for 6,600 watts. And that's what I get, at home. But when I plug in to a campground power pedestal, or certain Level 2, 30 amp public chargers that are being fed only 200 volts, I'm still getting 30 amps, but only 5,700 watts, and a full battery charge is going to take about 20 to 30 minutes longer than it would at home. Why we have a situation where not all transformers are delivering the full 240 volts, I don't know, but I've stumbled across many "240 volt" power outlets in California that are barely 210 volts.

@@grayrabbit2211all electric clothes dryers and stoves operate on 240V, so your panel can support it. Installing a 6 gauge wire, breaker, and outlet is pretty simple without an electrician. If you don’t live in a home, you can’t get a wall box anyway unless the building owner approves it. And that still requires 240.

That sounds like a solution but not feasible going forward. Most houses have a 50 amp house supply some have 80. When EVs become more popular . The draw on the system will be greater so Energex or Ergon or whoever controls the electricity supply in your area will only allow you to charge a vehicle at the higher charge rate on certain days. They won’t be running more wire up the streets so we can draw more.

I can't even imagine having the patience for this....going through this disaster and with maybe 1% of the people actually having an EV.....you could wait months to charge your car.....wow.

You must be lonely because friends don't let friends go BEV.

@@robertkubrick3738 lol true.

LoL

lol what an idiotic statement

You will in six years if you don’t want to take the bus

@@1mouseman You won't be able to take the bus because all of them will be dead or waiting to charge.

But >95% of outlets are 110v. When the house was built and an outlet was installed by the driveway so you could vacuum the car it would have been a 110v outlet. Upgrading it to 240V is mostly not a simple or cheap process if the wiring needs to be replaced.

Spot on! I use a 240V/20A circuit for charging my EV. That gives me ~3.6kW, 2.5x faster than a 110V circuit. I recover my 40 miles daily commute between when I plug in when I get home (or whichever kid wins the "it's my turn!" argument) and before I go to bed. I'm fortunate to be a home owner though. And the cost of paying an electrician for home charging pays for itself instead of buying gasoline within 16 months.

Yes most people don't realise that 240v is the standard feed into US residential panels. Australia does have relatively easy access to 415v 3 phase if you're willing to pay for the upgrade, and really want/need faster home changing.

Yes, but that's ONLY if you intentionally install on a 20A breaker a dedicated charger (an Ohme, Siemens, nema socket). He's referring to your standard plug socket where you plug in the slow 2-3Kw charger - Americans ARE penalised on this one being limited to 110V. Apart from that, yes absolutely true that you have 220V in your homes on separate bus bars.

@@shaun2072I call BS on that comment. It is not easy or cheap to get 3 phase in Aust even if it runs past your house. It costs several K, you have to apply and a new switch board. Pls tell truth not half baked lies!

Somehow, I feel for the poor Americans. Living in Germany we have just installed a 11 kW wallbox in our barn. Six km away we have a supermarket with 8 x 300 kW chargers which I used frequently for charging our Kia EV6. Twenty to thirty minutes is/was enough to charge to 90 % SoC (enough for at least 300 km). Now we only use public chargers if we are going on holidays or on longer trips. With the wallbox I usually charge to 90 % for 3 or 4 hours when the battery is half empty. Before the wallbox I sometimes charged overnight at (average) 3.4 to 3.5 kW (not quite reaching the maximum 3.6 kW = 230 V at 16 A). All newer German houses has plugs that can deliver 3.6 kW. And in old buildings plugs can deliver 2.0 kW or 2.2 kW, but for me 3.5 kW was too slow and we had the possibility and money to install a wallbox. 22 kW wallboxes are more problematic, because then you need a special permit/acceptance from the company that runs the powerline (and our Kia does not support that much power anyway). During the last two years the charging situation has become much much better in Germany. Lots of companies are setting up fast chargers. Teslas Superchargers are in no way exceptional over here anymore.

Good luck trying to build a new power plant with the regulations and activists involved.

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