PearPC - Emulating Mac OS X on Windows XP!

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Today we're heading back to 2004 to take a look at PearPC - a PowerPC emulator for Windows and Linux. Prior to Apple's switch to Intel processors, it was one of the ways you could experience OS X without owning an Apple computer!
PearPC: pearpc.sourceforge.net
CherryOS Blog Post: web.archive.org/web/200709291...
Chapters:
00:00 - Setting the Scene
00:45 - Overview
02:14 - Setup
07:41 - Installing OS X
10:44 - Post-Install
12:01 - Halo Zone
13:45 - More messing around
16:58 - CherryOS Drama
20:45 - Outro
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@YourNotTrustySouthernNeighbour Місяць тому

And that's how they got the iCarly PC OS right Edit: HOLY SHIT, *739* LIKES?!, Also, i don't need iCarly intro lyrics

@OverTheHorizon840 Місяць тому

Right

@stargazersdance Місяць тому

Yeah

@mysticaxolotl8215 Місяць тому

So wake up, the members of my nation

@deltaboogaloo633 Місяць тому

@@mysticaxolotl8215 Its your time to be

@andrew.nicholson Місяць тому

@@deltaboogaloo633 There's no chance unless you take one

@pastedtomato Місяць тому

I remember trying PearPC as a kid back in the day, never could make it work as I didn't read the documentation and expected it to "just work"

@anidnmeno Місяць тому

me too... until i tried it with the HDD from my iMac G3. it "just worked" O.o 19 year old me was amazed

@grandtheftauto1233 Місяць тому

Me too lol

@EnigmaticGentleman Місяць тому

And nothing has changed lol, all the kids still expect console emulators to just work.

@KlonoaSulista22 Місяць тому

Me, but with Virtualbox when i was a kid.

@aquahomeritto Місяць тому

trying to uncompress 6GB image in FAT32 😂

@savikone Місяць тому

From PowerPC to x86 to ARM Time flies so fast

@masterkamen371 Місяць тому

And from M68k to PowerPC in the mid-90s.

@Sparkette Місяць тому

@@masterkamen371 And 6502 before that.

@m598lmr Місяць тому

And now to ARM/Silicon Mac.

@masterkamen371 Місяць тому

@@Sparkette That's a bit of a stretch, yes, they did run 6502, but that was in an entirely different line of products (Apple II). The Macintosh was running a 68000 from the start.

@GGigabiteM Місяць тому

@@masterkamen371 The Macintosh actually started off with a 6502, it wasn't until Jobs took over the project that it switched to the 68000. If Jef Raskin had his way, the original Macintosh would have been a drastically different machine. The first prototype of the Macintosh under Jef used a 6502 in 1981. It would have been a largely text based, keyboard driven machine because Jef hated mice.

@ReimuTukishiro Місяць тому

Good old PearPC. I remembered I was fascinated by the Mac and tried PearPC on my Pentium D system for a long time...and it then lead me to hackintosh later... Good memories...

@AdrianLee Місяць тому

If you drag PPC.CFG to PPC.EXE it will run PPC.EXE with the full path of PPC.CFG as an argument

@santoshpss Місяць тому

Try saying that out loud. ;)

@gatto_furry Місяць тому

... because that's how arguments in drag n drop works.

@zdanee Місяць тому

I have actually used PearPC back around 2012 to resurrect a broken G3 mac with no CD drive and broken USB port, where I installed MacOS in PearPC then cloned the disk image onto the mac's drive with an external HDD caddy.

@wasppoison1 Місяць тому

I did something similar recently to get Windows 2000 on a macbook, plugged the macHDD to my PC, used RAW HDD Copy Tool to copy a virtualbox machine I'd already loaded with drivers to the hdd after running the first pass of setup, then booted from the macHDD itself in the virtual machine completing setup before moving it back to the macbook

@zoomosis Місяць тому

It's possible to do a similar thing with the Basilisk II emulator, mounting IDE hard drives removed from old "classic" Macs on a more modern machine.

@RowenStipe Місяць тому

Oh wow, the computer from iCarly!

@OverTheHorizon840 Місяць тому

The show didnt exist when PearPC came out

@theengineer-dellconagher Місяць тому

@@OverTheHorizon840 not with that attitude!

@RowenStipe Місяць тому

@@OverTheHorizon840 Instead of Apple the computers from icarly were Pear (Edit: I can imagine a prop department guy found PearPC and decided to make the show use PearBooks)

@mysticaxolotl8215 Місяць тому

@@OverTheHorizon840Bro missed the joke

@EnigmaticLucas Місяць тому

@@OverTheHorizon840But Drake & Josh did, which also has the pear computers

@MarcoGPUtuber Місяць тому

No time for sleep. MJD has uploaded.

@conc1erge Місяць тому

@Coinpopcorn8 Місяць тому

Yeah

@averagegreeknationalistmapper Місяць тому

YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

@windowsguy420 Місяць тому

bro it's 6pm

@tennickjestzajety69 Місяць тому

@@windowsguy420because we are europeans xD

@TheAppleFreak Місяць тому

God, PearPC. That brings back memories. I'm pretty sure that Halo didn't launch because the emulator doesn't support graphics acceleration. It's a common issue with OS X virtualization and emulation, as emulating graphics hardware is a bit obtuse. If you can get QE/CI working entirely under software, you've got something good going.

@jm036 Місяць тому

You will never be a cat

@TheAppleFreak Місяць тому

@@jm036 👍

@TunsaMcHaggis Місяць тому

@@jm036 and you will never be a decent human being, whats your fuckin point?

@asadfarraj 27 днів тому

@@jm036wtf

@heclec4420 Місяць тому

Hey! This brought back memories. I used PearPC back in the day. I say "used," I mean "farted around with." It led me to messing with OSX on a Dell Mini 10 netbook which was a whole other project. Love your videos for stuff just like this.

@comedyreliefguy5112 Місяць тому

Farted around with?

@OrdinaryDoommarine Місяць тому

@@comedyreliefguy5112he lollygagged, or better yet did some tomfoolery- might i even say shmeckledorfed

@marvinmallette6795 Місяць тому

I remember my antivirus flagging the PearPC HDD file as an "Archive Bomb". It reported that it was an extremely small and empty file which would expand into a multi-Gibibyte file size when I needed to use it.

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue 21 день тому

well that's because it was the Bomb🤣🤣

@urk5204 Місяць тому

I remember this waaaaay back in the day! I made one of the config UIs for it out of the installation wizard workflow in Visual Studio. Interest in it flat out dissolved when Mactel was announced

@j.w.techchannel Місяць тому

Great video, and great emulator. I didn't know PearPC existed until now, but it's certainly quite impressive for the time

@OofioVR Місяць тому

yessir, dude! ive been waitin' for this!

@Filipcreate Місяць тому

Thank you for your great, nostalgic video about the old-school PearPC emulator. It brings back the memories of software like Stardock WindowBlinds (the old-school one) etc., which is also a good idea for the next video.

@HappySimonGames Місяць тому

you keep making videos about things days after i look into them

@yjk_ch Місяць тому

18:35 I like that it calls "HPFS" volumes, which is the OS/2 file system. I'm sure they actually meant HFS+... and it shows how smart they were.

@qNoxverty-ys9dl Місяць тому

was about to sleep, then mjd has uploaded another cool video

@D0Samp Місяць тому

To be fair, the standard Qemu build lacks audio for the Apple PowerPC machines as well, and so far I haven't got it working with the "screamer" fork either.

@zebubble2084 Місяць тому

It works, but it ain't great.

@adamsfusion Місяць тому

@@zebubble2084Seconding that. You'll get the sound it wants to play... sometimes on time but most of the time with extra sputters, pops, and clips along with it.

@zoomosis Місяць тому

If QEMU can emulate a USB Class 1 Audio device then that should work.

@dillweed8591 Місяць тому

Man, I was wondering why this emulator stopped development up until you explained CherryOS. What a damn shame.

@ltxr9973 Місяць тому

I remember that! It was slow as hell on the PC I had but it was an interesting peek into the OSX world

@MichaelBattaglia Місяць тому

Great product! Unfortunate about CherryOS. Another awesome video 😁

@DRKDNCR Місяць тому

I got into Mac first running Snow Leopard on my Acer Netbook with Intel Atom processor and 10" display. Originally shipped with Windows XP. Formatted immediately to run OS X. I could only use Ethernet as the integrated wifi was not compatible. It ran fine!

@DanyulYT Місяць тому

I used PearPC on our family computer as a kid (a P4-era Celeron). 10.4 Tiger ran like crap but I remember being AMAZED that modern PPC emulation was possible.

@technologytime69 Місяць тому

So nostalgia.... Great video 👍👍😃😃

@johnconnery7547 Місяць тому

Nostalgic! I used to use Pear PC on an Intel mac under wine when I was a kid just to see how Mac OS used to be :D

@direct-music Місяць тому

This takes me back… I had a Pentium 4 Dell with 768mb of ram and I tried to run Mac OS X on that thing so many times using PearPC. I ended up getting a G3 iMac, G4 eMac, and then an Intel iMac a few years later. Fun times.

@benny21293 Місяць тому

cherryOS is very sloppy. HPFS was the File System used in OS/2 and had nothing to do with HFS that Mac OS used… They probably did the bare minimum to wrap an UI around PearPC.

@erinw6120 Місяць тому

Well, the guy behind Maui X-Stream (the MXSinc who made it) now fancies himself as a "serial entrepreneur", and of course, is flogging AI nonsense. Looks like he was sued in 2016 for defrauding investors in one of his companies, Code Rebel, and makes no mention of Maui X-Stream anywhere in his online bios.

@morphx666 Місяць тому

I rmember running it on my HP ZD8000 laptop. I just loved seeing the expression on people's faces, seeing a PC running MacOS X. Priceless! BTW, I coded the initial implementation of a mouse capture/release, just by moving the mouse in and out of the emulator's window (instead of pressing a shortcut key). Unfortunately, I don´t think my code was ever merged as someone (at the same time) did a much better job and rewrote the whole serial/mouse stack.

@user-mz1nl1vk4t Місяць тому

Love you're Floppy wallpaper coving the room

@mihoshiproductions9809 Місяць тому

Wow, I haven't thought about PearPC in a long while, I used to mess around with it and Basilisk II to play around with the old MacOS versions before eventually getting a PowerMac G4. Good times.

@classicmgammer Місяць тому

Great video and I grew up with Windows XP and macOS 10 versions lasted until 2019!!!

@user-ws2me9xm8t Місяць тому

Thank you for your story

@Lethaltail Місяць тому

There was a GUI Windows (maybe Linux too?) launcher for PearPC that made the rounds, it might've been hosted on SF as well but my memory of that time is pretty shot. I'm currently messing with the more modern PowerPC emulators, like dingusppc and the mentioned support by QEMU.

@inkballpro Місяць тому

I was always interested in emulating Mac OS. It can be a bit of a pain but really cool once it's fully working

@retrospacenet Місяць тому

UI design was way better back in the days of vista and osx.

@kreuner11 Місяць тому

It was a UI design trend from 2001-2013

@retrospacenet Місяць тому

@@kreuner11period is called "frutiger aero "

@jm036 Місяць тому

@@retrospacenet a term that never existed until 2023

@MaximilienNoal Місяць тому

Or more generally skeumorphism

@ItsYeetsup Місяць тому

@@jm036 theres a problem with that?

@clashblaster Місяць тому

8:15 Even QEMU needs a bit of hackery to get sound working on PPC and it's not implemented in the main distro yet.

@CEO100able Місяць тому

Now that is very interesting! A good Mac OS X emulator I have never seen before.

@MaddTheSane Місяць тому

Sadly, PearPC is pretty much abandoned. Qemu would be a better experience.

@_MasterLink_ Місяць тому

When I was on Spymac (who here even remembers that site before it tanked?) there was a LOT more discussion around PearPC and CherryOS.

@NewRepublicMapper Місяць тому

For Easy access, you can drag the CFG File to the PPC Executable then it will open immediately

@sebastiangudino9377 Місяць тому

Y love this channel. Just yesterday I needed to run a PPC version of Illustrator CS2 on my M1 MacBook. The first thing I said was "Is PearPC for M1 MacBook a thing?". Turns out, it isn't, and I ended up using UTM (Pretty program btw! It's basically a UI for Qemu in Mac, and it is pretty friendly). But I made me nostalgic for this one program Literally the next day the smoothing computer madman comes out and makes a video on just that to scratch my itch

@OctavioGaitan Місяць тому

If someone does decide to pick up this project, I hope they add sound card support and also the opportunity to install OS 9 or even Leopard.

@hotgarbagellc Місяць тому

Holy crap, that 9down logo.. triggered some memories... Woah ..

@SelahattinEmreUgur Місяць тому

well, good old times, i played a little with pear pc that time later on bought g4 mac mini :)

@pap3rw8 Місяць тому

I remember trying this in like 2003-4. I had a P4 1.5 and it took like 10-15 minutes to boot MacOS because not only was it translating PowerPC instructions, but it had no AltiVec (SIMD) support whatsoever. The Mac OS X about dialog showed a CPU speed of 0 MHz LOL

@Postal2Dude Місяць тому

wake up babe, new MJD upload

@greylike9190 Місяць тому

Mjd has been my favourite UKpostsr to watch past year and he never disappoints

@duplicake4054 Місяць тому

Good video!

@ckingpro Місяць тому

Emulation is so nice!

@atarixle Місяць тому

I remember trying PearPC the first time, I ran Tiger. But I was having a brandnew MacBook1,1 in my clauset, but still I had to wait for my Birthday before trying this one, so I ran Tiger in PearPC a few days earlier.

@SpaceSquid420 Місяць тому

Man I remember trying to use pear back in the day on my celly laptop it was so bloddy slow but super cool. Then a few years after that osx86 was a thing and I was natively running it on that same laptop.

@bearsdotzone Місяць тому

That "wintel" machine was the same type of prebuilt I had growing up. Blast from the past.

@ericwood3709 Місяць тому

Halo would obviously require some pretty advanced 3D acceleration, and I wouldn't think that PearPC has that. Even QEMU lacks that today when it comes to PowerPC system emulation. I think they might be working on Rage 128 emulation, and I sure hope that's the case and that we see it reach a working state soon.

@mickplayvm Місяць тому

This cool!

@Windowz98_ Місяць тому

fire vid

@tonytins Місяць тому

Oh my god. I actually tried this out when I was a teenager. I was able to convince my friend's dad to borrow their OS X Panther CDs, and it surprisingly worked.

@samtallant7023 Місяць тому

Hi Michael I have a video idea for you! Why Not Try Farming Simulator 2008 on the 5$ 98 Pc bc You have not showen it to us in a while! :)

@zakneeo Місяць тому

we all know its gonna be good when MJD features windows and mac in the same sentence

@idubzh243 Місяць тому

Hi, thanks for this useful video. Do you think, I can use PearPC to reinstall my old System 7,5 on my old Centris ? I mean, can I plug the old hdd (scsi) via usb to my PC, and use Pear to perform a real install on the scsi drive ? Of course I need a scsi to usb enclosure.

@xenocide2121 Місяць тому

in regards to Halo, none of the emulators support 3D Acceleration, there are some games you can run in emulators but nothing you need 3DFX for. Tons of games much older than halo work on PearPC and other emulators

@Rezzinator443 Місяць тому

As soon as I saw the title of this video, it reminded me of a Linux distro called Pear OS. That was meant to mimic macOS. They got up to Mac OS Monterey before they switched branding. It actually may be the same company. I’m not completely sure. You may want to look into it.

@MrJ0mmy Місяць тому

great vidoe

@xenocide2121 Місяць тому

oh and a side note... there in fact is some GUI's to edit and launch pearpc, unofficially created by users.. not sure if i have that though..

@supermamoru Місяць тому

the bliss inside the wallpaper is as old as MJD's PC

@s1mmermodule Місяць тому

yo new mjd video

@ItsYeetsup Місяць тому

Not anymore

@MuseumStandard Місяць тому

Have you done something with TI-83 calculators? Seems something like this channel would do.

@TheNewcastlePilot Місяць тому

Reminds me of the hassle of setting up a Hackintosh. I can't remember the amount of clean installs it took to get it working (and then I still had no sound).

@JohnVance Місяць тому

I got a couple Apple certifications in '04 after training on PearPC because I was too poor to afford an actual Mac.

@goobaq Місяць тому

finally mac os supports emulations, i’m still waiting for mac os x 10.7, i wonder when it releases

@MaddTheSane Місяць тому

I'm fairly certain Halo needs OpenGL acceleration. I don't know if the G3 Clamshell had the needed drivers or hardware, but I do know that my Beige G3/333 would _not_ because Mac OS X never had 3D drivers for the built-in GPU (ATI Rage, IIRC). And there's no way that emulator supports anything 3D, not only due to its alpha state, but because _very_ few emulators even do 3D acceleration emulation or pass-thru. There is a new emulator on the Mac emulator scene called DingusPPC. However, it is still very new, and probably won't even be able to run Halo (the upper limit they're aiming for, hardware-wise, is a Beige G3 (including GPU); See comment above about Mac OS X support for 3D), but it shows promise.

@chrisw443 Місяць тому

I dreamed of macs then I got my mac mimi 6 years later in 2012. I wish i knew about this!

@appleleptiker Місяць тому

Oh jesus... PearPC. I barely even remember it

@chrism869 Місяць тому

Omg i actually remember using this back then

@zoomosis Місяць тому

I remember trying PearPC years ago but it was too slow to be useable. I suspect the JIT feature hadn't been added yet. To me it's always been a bit of an oddity since there wasn't much "regular" software for that era of Macintosh that didn't also have a corresponding Windows version. So you may as well just run the Windows version natively. How well does PearPC run on a more modern PC? A video on BasiliskII might be worthwhile. It was a predecessor to PearPC, for running MacOS 7 or 8 under emulation. Unlike PearPC the emulation was fast enough to be perfectly useable. I don't know if BasiliskII is still under development but there are builds to run it under recent versions of MacOS. It also runs under Windows and Linux. I remember running it years ago under Windows XP on an AMD K6-2 350 (from 1998) and the emulator was faster than a PowerBook 190cs from 1995. On a modern PC the emulation just flies, though I've never actually tried running games on it. A good test might be something like IndyCar Racing 2 from 1996.

@crawqxx Місяць тому

fire

@Vlame Місяць тому

I see a MJD video, I click without any hesitate

@HexZero 23 дні тому

im surprised how well optimized it is

@Michael-el7iy Місяць тому

PLS make a review for the bb navigator for ps2 The BB Navigator for the PS2 was akin to an XMB (Cross Media Bar) user interface for the console. It seemed poised to be the original interface for the PS2, but perhaps due to time constraints, it wasn't implemented at launch. But it will be interesting For you to review it

@Darek-Micheal Місяць тому

Amazing

@HA05GER Місяць тому

A mate of mine installed mac os i believe leopard but i really cant remember on my dell dimension 8100. I dont know what wizardry was used i havent got a clue but it worked and.run flawlessly. It would show up as an actual boot option in the boot menu and run sweet as a nut. Only a 256mb ram setup so nothing amazing even for the time and it was super snappy i also had pentium 4 but the 1.5ghz chip circa 2000. It was probably around 2008 so leopard makes.sense but it could well have been tiger i honestly cant remember. I got bored of it because having ro use the correct mac compatible software so ended up overwriting for a ubuntu dual boot.

@stickfigure31 Місяць тому

@12:01 I'm not surprised Halo didn't work. My experience with PPC emulation (Basilisk II, Sheepshaver, qemu, ect) trying to play the few Mac exclusive titles has been non of the emulators have true hardware 3d accelerated graphics, meaning except for simple 2d games I still need to pull out my bulky IMac g3 or g5 tower when I want to play an 3d tittles. qemu at least reports hardware acceleration to the guest OS allowing some 3D games that "require" hardware acceleration to run, but it's all software rendering and often slow. I read online if you can tracked down the correct AMD card (I haven't manged to) possibly requiring a pci to pcie adapter, you can setup gpu pass-through to the PPC guest. Someone started working on Rage ATI emulation for qemu, when using a build of qemu with that, it enables more 3D games to run with software rendering. However it was even slower then vanilla qemu. Ironically waiting for 3D acceleration to come to these emulators, I have seen the games I wanted to emulate slowly be given source ports on github. So one day it might not be necessary for me to this at all.

@ManleyEvangelista Місяць тому

I remember trying to install Jaguar using this emulator using a Mendocino Celeron 500Mhz, and it took about 10 hours without the optional components. Things I would do just to get Mac OS X on my computer, and I was a broke teenager so I couldn't just buy Mac or even a more powerful PC to emulate it on.

@Smarttube01 Місяць тому

I sometimes watch you on warpstream!

@WillParker322 Місяць тому

Hey, you got my speakers!

@fourteen00 Місяць тому

That segway to the sponsor spot was genius. Started zooming in on the speaker and everything 😂

@Henk717 Місяць тому

Did you never make a video about Executor? Might make for a fun follow-up to this one. Its an MS-Dos program that I can most closely compare to Wine, if it was meant to emulate MacOS

@MaddTheSane Місяць тому

Executor was also made available for Windows, IIRC. It also was opened sourced in 2008, but sadly support for it never really materialized.

@loganpajaro8490 Місяць тому

FINALLY1!!11!

@xiimo_lav Місяць тому

do you gonna make video about echelon theme for firefox?

@trctheraulchannel2023isback 12 днів тому

i'll try this on my windows 11!

@JasonB808 Місяць тому

I didn’t use this emulator, but I did run hackintosh versions of Mac OS I found online. Even though it ran natively on Intel hardware, there was still a lot of limitations, so much so that I end up buying a Mac Mini in 2009. I since bought 4 Mac Book Pros (last user upgradeable Mac Book pro, I upgraded the HDD to SSD, I had already configured it to have 8 gigs of RAM when cpu got old, I got the first Mac Book Pro with Touch Bar. When Dual Core CPU got too slow, I traded it in for Final Intel based MacBook Pro. Then I traded it in for a M2 Pro Mac Book Pro). I also had built gaming PCs and had game consoles. But I primarily game on PC now. Mac Book Pro is a video editing beast. Yeah I guess could video edit on my gaming rig which isn’t a slouch. But Mac sips energy. Gaming rig sucks 600watts full tilt. 😅 Intel 13700k 32 GB DDR4 3600 (I bought early so DDR 5 motherboards were really expensive, I would have gone DDR5 if they were the price they are now) 500GB WD NVME SSD - OS drive Older 2TB Intel NVME SSD Gigabyte Radeon RX 6800 XT (cheapest high end video card with 16GB of vram at the time)

@koigee Місяць тому

I used to use pearPC on my Windows 8 laptop, and I thought it was very cool for a version 1.0 program

@BruceForte Місяць тому

You're about to make me dig up my old family OS10 machine...

@adam-xi2nc 8 днів тому

"An unrecoverable error has occurred, and Halo cannot continue." Bungie predicting 343 all the way back in the CE days

@Holahelloholahello Місяць тому

for some reason every time I run the command ppc ppccfg it gives me a error saying "invalid format(file size isn't a multiple of 516096)

@davel4030 29 днів тому

I tried this back in the day and the system requirements were crazy, I could barely get a few frames per second and a lot of things didn't work. Still cool tho

@eduardocarrasco8830 Місяць тому

Perhaps I’m wrong, but as far as I remember, OSX was built for both PPC and X86 CPUs. But the x86 official public compiled version started from 10.4 tiger. I never was able to find a x86 version prior 10.4, although Steve Jobs himself told the world that indeed they existed. When he showed the transition to the public he was running a P4 3.4 ghz with HT on tiger 10.4. I would imagine all the x86 clones if this was leaked somehow.