They took the Persona 1 and 2 references.

@@jackripple5179 It was better back then tbh.

I agree with you I seeing p5 beta video they are different than the game we got so it is stand to reason that this may have all the people from p5 and even tell us if it take 4 yr from the original or in a different world . only atlas know the truth.

Say Faz in general what do you think about Persona 5 X is it okay, decent or great

@@jackripple5179 Ultraman geed

Its less about it being a spin off and more about it being a Mobile game. Which they would need to give the `main character`, especially if they DO force you to always use M.C.-kun in the party at all times, insanely high stats to compensate for such a feature. Granted, this game already doing something you normally don`t see in many mobile games: Make the `Main character` or first free unit you get your hands on insanely useful with a unique feature in combat, Being able to switch Personas. Unlike the rest of the cast im seeing so far, despite Joker, Crow and likely when they drag the other persona M.C.s from 3, P3P, 4 and the other titles in also later on, should still be multiple persona users also. Never the less, i do hope if it does go global, it has a nice and polished release unlike some other mobile game spin-offs based on an anime or popular game IP, kind of don`t need to get hyped up for a title again only to see they pull something like a rushed release where they speed run events and gacha banners 1 or even 3 weeks faster then they normally were, without REAL compensation to balance things out.

fairly certain mc isn't actually a wild card

​@@nilsfrayer the mc can switch personas so there's your answer

In strikers you lose if Joker dies

@@UsagiE102 Im pretty sure there's no game over if he does amigo, believe me, i've actually played the game

It's been a while since I played both, I forgot you need to have Recarm I always remembered the game will continue on normally

Do you actually need to have recarm?

That's wrong, at least on the 3ds versions of both games, the game doesn't end until all Ally's are defeated, or a Lose condition is met

I just checked it and you dont need to have recarm, at least on the ds version.

@@user-vo5gq9nd9y yup. I finished it last week. There’s no items in Devil Survivior so recant is the only way to revive someone during a battle in the game. Don’t recall if there was another revive skill but there might have been. I didn’t need to revive much.

still happens post sae palace

​@@megagames4989 he needs to survive to save the world

Still dumb, p1 and p2 didn’t do it either

@@pre-violetmelain2984 other party members can be knocked in fight and still be alive for the next one

@@Tasty_Tango45 It only sort of makes sense for P3 if you squint, and the final boss in P4.

But what does that have to do with the whole game ending when they die

​@@-jay-2993 1. Up until Sae's palace, its a retelling of his story, it'd be weird for him to get knocked out. 2. Considering he's the leader and is often commanding, him being knocked out is pretty much a death sentence for the others 3. Idk maybe he's just really weak and literally dies instead of getting knocked out lol

@@watersheep5535 idk, if I have someone on my party with a reviving skill it would make sense to not be a game over. Maybe the other characters could be controlled by the Act Freely AI except the healers which would prioritize rezzing the MC

@@lyzder7298 That actually would make a lot of sense lol but I guess that's where point 1 and 3 come in. That or they felt it would be too complicated so they just have Joker die to save time. I would really like this idea tho

There's a fine line between story-telling and game mechanics. "This makes no sense from a story perspective, the others could still revive him!", yes exactly, and that would be boring because the risk of losing the battle would be MUCH lower. It's not "unfair", it's a game mechanic. The game is already extraordinarily easy at normal difficulty which is supposed to have *some* kind of challenge, if you take off the only risk it truly has you make the game a boring easy-feat. I mean, not to state my point a thousand times but honestly think about it, you take this feature off and then what? You just breeze through game dungeons like it's nothing (taking normal difficulty as reference)? How boring would that be?

The game _does_ have the MC death = game end rule, but only on the hardest difficulty

I bet u didn't even play the game

I bet you even played the game to completion

@@The_Endless_Now Silence homestuck

​@@SandCarpet I think what they meant to say is that the ability to take a hit for Joker basically allows you to rely on your teammates as human shields, but Joker can't do the same for them. And since Joker is also the only one who can't be revived, the game is set up in a way where it's better for your teammates to be hit rather than Joker. When you think about it, the team dynamics during combat are a little one-sided from a friendship perspective because even though Joker risks his life for his friends multiple times in the story, he isn't able to take a hit for his friends in the actual gameplay. That's why it's strange for a game focused on building and deepening friendships, the combat doesn't really allow you to reciprocate the friendship in the same way with the people you've deepened your bonds with.

@@SandCarpet Did you miss the point of the video? You lose if Joker dies, so if you are 1hp on Joker and another character the best move with that character is to not try to save themselves, and instead to heal Joker. The sacrifice mechanic is something different.

i'll admit, i didn't see game changer that coming

they do the same thing in some SMT games

Afaik smt iv and smt iv apocalypse didn’t game over with the protagonist’s death, but smt v brought it back

this. i wish that if you had a revive item in your inventory or revive spell, the game would play out until someone could use them (with you having no control over the team's actions, as youre knocked out)

I don't think I mind it too much, mostly bc of balancing reasons. I'm pretty sure everyone here can agree P5 was already easy enough and having Joker able to die would make it REALLY easy, especially since you should never have all of your party dead anyway

@@barbedblinga421 I'd rather the game is just harder to begin with without artificial stuff like that. Well, and while we're at it, I wish Persona went back closer to 1/2 where each party member was more customizeable, instead of P3-5 which are the protag show.

@@Renegative Having multiple party members capable of kinda doing what the protag does would make more sense if the protag died and there was no consequences, but I never played 1 or 2 and as far as I heard, that made the games stupidly easy or stale since you can just do everything for everyone

They forgot they had revival beads or something 💀

@@mizzix nah, they’re just so blinded by either depression or stupidity that they don’t even care to do anything about it. Maybe both. Heck, Mona doesn’t care that he has mediahran, recarm, or 99 beads of life. He’s just sad that his leader died. And futaba is trying to get them to listen to her and revive joker, and she knows she can’t go out on the battlefield because her persona isn’t actually weaponized.

So in Strikers they don’t care about the leader either?

@@FazPersona nah im pretty sure its a lore reason or smth since its in p5 its joker's perspective, while in strikers its detached kinda. i just say its for difficulty reasons and the priority to keep the protag alive, px i think is just more lenient in that sense

​@@goonballoonit's for balance, lore and logic Logic: as the wild card, the MC of 3, 4 and 5 is their ace, if the strongest falls what hope is there for victory. Lore: In P3, if Makoto dies, death emerges and the one who can stop the fall is no more. In P4, if Yu falls for even an instant the battle between hope and despair set by izanami is lost. For most of P5/R joker is recounting the events to Sae, if he falls/faints he can't remember the events of the fight, if he fails to remember correctly he loses(there's also the rigged game by the God of control but my memory is fuzzy on that) Balance: as the wild card, they are technically OP, they can change stats, weaknesses and skills at will, reviving him a character with an arsenal like that allows for a LOT of scenarios where reviving him while likely lead to an instant all out attack and/or victory... For instance, imagine in a game like pokemon, if a single pokemon can change its types and most, if not all of their moves at will mid combat...pretty broken no?

And it's kinda BS that sometimes happens beyond your control because RNG decides that Joker dies by an insta-kill spell. Happens more often in early game when you don't have Homunculus or high level confidants to take the blow.

@@lewsee5562 so true, the amount of times... I died to the RNG Boss in persona 3 with the wheel of fortune... I lost my mind. I havent ran into this issue surprisingly on P4 yet, but that's because it's been pretty generous surprisingly... And p5 I lost my mind with the insta kill attacks... Sometimes... The horror of seeing an enemy using Megidolan is just as bad though... Because you know your either going to fully die or be at half health if lucky. I mean Morgana for instance learns Recarm, a revival spell. WHY CANT HE USE IT ON JOKER!!! I'd even take, the Teammate uses it once per day. To revive the protagonist. Anything be better than having to restart a boss battle for like the 10th time due to Stupid RNG.

Pretty much every time it's happened to me it's been my own stupid fault. I hit a shadow with a reflect ability or counter with a CRAZY skill or I got raged and then that happened.

Me too, especially if the mc is as drugged up as a Persona one in terms of gameplay

Random Instant kill spells

You still get a game over when the protagonist dies even after Sae's palace.

He was drugged either way

u also Game Over in P3 & P4 and SMT Games but u surely dont know cuz you only played 5

That doesn't makes sense, you see so many cutscenes where joker isn't there

Kinda like Katana Zero lol

It's a shitty mechanic and nobody likes it. if they want to add the weight and relationship between the protagonist and their team have it if the protag dies the player has 2 or 3 turns to revive them or it just game over.

@@SuperFusionAJ93 well i do like it because it also makes me play more careful and not brute force through the battle. And in the end, every battle is over in like 2 turns. You won't die that easily unless you are either underleveled as hell or dont know what healing is

That's isn't challenging. That's a goddamn needless handicap. If you want to make it challenging, add armor to the enemies or some shit.

@@SuperFusionAJ93 if enemies had armor then you still could just brute force without thinking it only would take a bit longer. Honestly if people like it or not is just preference. Maybe they could give you the option to turn it off if you dont like it or something idk.

But P1 and P2 doesn't do that tho

@@ShinJack_ That’s a fair point. I’ve personally not played 1 or 2, but they seem pretty different from the later titles like in the way that the first two games remind me of more typical JRPG’s of the time where yeah it’s only game over if everyone’s down so maybe when developing 3 they wanted to increase difficulty and tension by making the MC the only important ally to keep alive

​@@user-co1ym2ev7t Nobody likes final fantasy 13, don't worry.

Dragon Quest 11 makes it an optional challenge setting.

You were wrong, P5 team is making Joker = Player himself, when the player dies in-game, of cause it is game over. The P5X team is making u as a credit card, so when MC dies, u were still alive.

@@animemax7788yea pretty much, persona 5X is gonna force you to use cash or grind for hours daily to get decent personas. So it’s more fair for everybody else to survive. Unlike in persona 5 royal were you can you just myriad of truths the whole game with zero cost

Gacha, not facts.

i agree

You say that but gacha games in the mid late game have usually a huge spike in difficulty too.

@@obsiaxe5406 yeah but it's rarely a difficulty spike that can be handled by playing the game better and more about pulling a specific character or weapon to make things easier.

@@MajorCrasher True

Yes, exactly! I don’t know why people aren’t catching on to this. No P5X isn’t reverting back to early Persona / SMT mechanics. It’s just that, logically, many people would not have the protagonist in their party ESPECIALLY if he’s not particularly good. In fact, he’d be even worse as a unit if he was the only one that forced you to fail a battle if he died. No one would use him in that case lol. There is never a “protagonist” in battle when it comes to gatcha games, considering your party can be literally anyone as long as you have them.

They do have dodge animations though, that was a status effect move, in all persona games characters don't move if an status move doesn't hit

And u can swapped the mc fso make sense too not got game over when P6 come out it's gonna be the same where u protagonist die game over

@@mizzix my mistake lol but still this is like spin off game when P6 come back for sure if ur protagonist lose u lose and I liked that more

Don't forget 1 and 2

@@ShinJack_ Im a basic persona gamer(Haven’t played the firs 2 games)

No lol you guys gotta stop getting info outta your butt, wonder can't be removed, replaced, or anything else that you can think off, he's the leader and the only one that can use multiple personas in the game

@@mizzix I gotta ask, where are you getting your info from, after all Persona 5X isn’t available in most countries, so with limited information, it can be inferred that something similar to all gachas would be the case, no? Why don’t you tell me where you’re getting your info from, do you have the game, do you have footage of the game saying “wonder is forced?” Please Enlighten all of us who have no access to the game because it’s available In ONE COUNTRY.

@@thelostician i asked faz(owner of the channel who HAS played the game fully and used all of it's mechanics) and he literally said in the live stream that wonder is indeed locked and can't be removed. So there's your source

It still kinda odd since in Shin Megami Tensei: Liberation Dx2. Another mobile game, in the alter world part where your Mc can be playable, you can lose if he/she dies in battle.

SMT 5 IIRC has MC death = game over.

Because the MC is overpowered as fuck, meaning if you could just revive him over and over again, you could just go full monke and power through every enemy. In SMT the mc is basically just another demon, so his death is more insignificant.

@@yagokain4189 Joker isn't just the party, he's the whole circus. Dude can solo the entire game without breaking a sweat if you know what you are doing.

Actually this was a thing since Digital Devil Saga 🤓