Don’t think he did, but what the hell was he doing?

He did! Verstappen did as well

no, but f1 penaltys have become moronic in recent years

He was complaining on radio about problems with car then Russell came up with DRS...

Yes, he admitted it.

THIS

Not convinced he would have passed Alonso. I think we are seeing serious deficiencies in Russell’s racecraft. If anything I think it’s more likely he would’ve taken out both himself & Alonso into the fast chicane or after into T13

Don't ever tell a corporation they can't legislate everything... Personal opinion, this is being used as a smokescreen, to stop people asking why no red flag was dropped, when the race director normally throws a red flag for something easily manageable with yellow flags...

@@F1Purist1950 omg you have an F1 overtake crystal Ball ...that's hilarious

Russell is well know for crashing cars and always with excuses BS.😡

This was abundantly clear from watching his onboard into that corner: Alonso goes into regen, the lights are flashing 4 times before he even gets to that corner, and is still slowing down while Russell just kept his foot planted on the throttle, until it was too late. I get it, it's a long race, you're focusing on the car in front for a long time, but that's all the more reason why you have to stay focused. I like Russell, he has a lot of skill, but he has too many of these mental lapses. I think F1 would be better with a push-to-pass system rather than DRS how it is operated currently.

@@rars0n F1 used to have an Overtake button, then KERS. They still have a ton of different modes that can affect power. I think that going back to a combination of Overtake (or PTP if you prefer) and DRS would be interesting. Especially if they also allow active aero. I like how IndyCar gives drivers a set amount of time to race on the button. That could certainly incorporate well to F1.

Exactly. Everybody is claiming overtaking is hard. NO! Overtaking is way to easy on most circuits. Back in the day most overatkes were proper battles. Nowadays 95% of overtakes are very easy DRS passes on the straight.

I love WRC but F1 is not WRC. The on-track racing is what makes the sport different.

At least half the grid wouldn't have been caught out the way George was (ie wrecking into the wall just because the guy in front of you slowed down a little). I honestly don't think that Lance Stroll would have wrecked in that situation.

Thank you for this. Alonso does this every season it’s quite normal for a defending driver to change his driving pattern. In fact Alonso did it to Lewis in 2022 and 2023 and Lewis didn’t crash! George seems to be a quick driver over a single lap, but his race pace and ability under pressure is lacking.

Pérez was like 20 laps behind Alonso in Brazil last year, and he didn't go. And Alonso was driving the same, changing lines, breaking early to he could accelerate early. But a brit crashes and Herbert is there, penalty, and 20s so he loses 2 places. Absurd.

There is a 0% chance Max or Lewis would have crashed.

Also Justin experience in general

Really, Verstappen will have you off the road in a heartbeat it's not just old timers like Alonso and Schumacher.

If Alonso has to resort to this BS it is time he retired.

@@nochops1781 Are you on drugs? :D Alonso has been doing this for the past 20 years.. was it time to retire then? Or when exactly? :D

@@MisoElEven Alonso has not been doing this for twenty years. If he had he would have been banned by now. Idiot.

He braked differend from laps befeore and laps after. Telemetry shows it all. He braked 100 earlier than usual.

@@damirkolar5197is changing braking points and/or cornering speed from lap to lap illegal?

​​@@GrumblingForesightin the middle of a straight yes. In a high speed corner, I would debate yes. In a low speed corner likely not. That was a high speed corner. I think it's important to emphasize where on the track this happened. Also to keep in mind this is when there is an opposing car nearby. It's not just changing braking points when he's by himself

In my opinion the big deal is that he got back on the accelerator to then brake for the corner. That's erratic driving.

@@bsrbck no if the driver behind drives dangerously they should also be penalized. Alonso didn't just lift. He lifted early, braked, accelerated again, braked again, then accelerated again all in a high speed corner. That's hazardous when there's a car nearby both going at high speed

No thank you Edison for continuing to watch 🙏🏾

@@bsrbck He's excellent. What don't you like?

Always a pleasure watching you and Peter talk about F1, whether it is 30 mins or 1 hour it always seems too short

“The goatiest of goats!” 😂😂😂

Agree

George is outdriving and outqualifying the highest achieving race driver of all times. If that move from Alonso gets him to end up in a wall it’s safe to assume the move was super dangerous.

@@IZn0g0uDatAll Russell already admitted he was the one who made the mistake, Alonso's move was nothing unusual at all in racing as a whole and it wasn't even close to be illegal. Putting your car in a peculiar position with a peculiar pace in a corner had always been a legit defensive move in wheel-to-wheel racing. It was always the responsibility of the chase driver to anticipate and adapt to the changes, or else defending would not exists at all.

Right answer, George has crashed so many times in situations like this, that it made me think he was blind or something.. He just drives like there is no-one else on the track, like he is solo qualifying. He doesn't ease of the throttle or anything. Probably he thinks they are all ghost cars or something. If someone lifts, you lift.. if someone takes a different line to take a corner, you adjust.. they are not ghost cars. Remember the Bottas crash? Same thing he just drove like Bottas wasn't there, he just ran into him. This crash he didn't even lift.. he just ran full throttle and because he was close he lost the frontend.. if he was closer he would have taken them both out like he did with Bottas. The guy is dangerous.. Typical FIA they punished the wrong guy.

@@IZn0g0uDatAll Russell is supposed to be a professional and should be driving his own car. You crash because of something a guy 2-3 car lengths did you're a bad driver. And as far as out-xyz , George is overdriving the car and that's why he crashes. You cant drive a Corolla the same way you can drive a Supra, but you can try to send it it in a Corolla if you want, probably crash like George.

Georpedo Crashell strikes again!

Russell is well know for crashing cars and always with excuses BS.😡

Hmm ya weird, 57 clean laps of 58 did something happen on the last lap??? Oh wait, the telemetry shows us it did and so does logic and common sense.

The great thing about George is we have the potential for a wet race at any moment due to his crying. Also sweating.

@@JohnnyLREACTS Nope, nothing happened on the last lap because the entire last lap was under Safety Car. Did you even watch the race?

Well said 🥹

Yeah, ask Hamilton after Silverstone 2021

Who told you that? Telemetry shows, that over 100 meters earlier than usual, he lifted, downshifted to 6th, AND braked, then accelerated, upshifted again to 7th gear before entering that corner. He did this ONLY in this lap, never before. if anything is a joke, it is you.

Muppets stop inventing stories in ur head , you was he breaking twice when he never did before & going 40kph slower , that’s noting to do with batteries . Read the fia statement Alonso admits he got it wrong

@@damirkolar5197 you can see the regen lights flash FIVE times , George was hoping to capitalize simple

This is true he obviously was regenerating so that he could defend it was miss interpreted as coasting or lifting maybe they need to reconsider the safety of this track instead of blaming Alonso or maybe a Mercedes should build a better car it is known that they have issues with high speed down fourth issues in corners

@@richy69ifythe regen lights don't mean the car ahead suddenly lifted off the throttle (and remember engine breaking is much stronger in an F1 car than a road car) AND shortly braked. George can get an idea of how much he'll gain when Alsonso is regenerating. But he can't do that if Alonso is lifting way earlier AND downshifting. That's erratic driving and why Alonso was given the penalty. So I think a penalty is deserved. Otherwise any driver could suddenly lift at any point and disrupt normal racing behavior. If alsono hadn't put on the power before the corner again, it would probably be fine. But it showed clearly he did the erratic driving on purpose. The whole "i have a problem with the throttle"? No one is buying that. What is BS, is that the stewards said they didn't take George's crash into consideration. They did, because otherwise it probably wouldn't be looked at. They even took into account Alsonso's racing position because a 5 or 10 second penalty (which would be more reasonable) would not have made a difference in the finishing position. A stop and go (20s) would make a difference and that's why they chose to give that penalty. No one is buying the "we don't look at the outcome of an incident" angle. They definitely do. So fair penalty? Yes. 20 seconds? No way. Would a different driver not have crashed? Probably.

Race stewards can’t apply penalties to future races. That’s for the FIA.

Johny Herbert needs to be banned from stewarding.

And the last one to loose there seat was vettel at the beginning of the season

Causing the stewards to review the situation =/= they used it to decide the outcome. Alonso should have been penalized regardless of the accident. The accident just helped bring it to light

If there was no Mercedes/Russel behind Alonso, Alonso would not do that, he himself said that was a tactic of fighting the race.

You’re missing the entire point….

If you watch the Race’s video you will see the telemetry and Alonso did it on purpose. He knew what he was doing.

@@mrorangepeel659 I´ll trust Peter´s opinion over the morons of the race tbf

Jaylon Palmer's post-race analysis on F1TV shows the actual braking effort, and it was just a tiny blip in the line. He contends (and I agree) that it made absolutely no difference in speed. You could see that in the other data traces.

Please explain? If you've ever done any form of racing a car coming at you at that rate unexpectedly is extremely frightening that would love to know what George did wrong?

Hard to know when the car in front will randomly try/fail at different racing lines.

@@Evolvedmindz1 If you know how Fernando drives in a defensive scenario (San Marino 2005, on Schumacher), Someone truly skilled would anticipate his maneuvers. Alonso was in front and could drive the car how he wanted; it was up to George to get around him.

@@Evolvedmindz1 Watch the onboard, dude. Well before that turn, Alonso was in regen, with the lights flashing 4 times while Russell keeps the throttle pinned until right as he's nearly running into the back of Alonso. Alonso's speed may have been slower than expected, but George had PLENTY of time to react. He was clearly zoned out, just like in Singapore. Mechanical failure can happen at any time, so there's no excuse for a driver who is following to be paying so little attention.

100% Alonso's fault. He made a 7-6-7-6 shift sequence. What is the middle 6-7 upshift for? Alonso already braked early. Why should he make a upshift? Then downshift again. So steward imposed a 20 sec penalty. Alonso made a very cunning dick move to throw Russell off his rhythm. He knew that he could not brake test Russell. If he made a early brake -- unbrake acclerate -- brake again sequence he could not avoid punishment. Thus he made a slight early brake but followed with a 7676 gear shift sequence. That 7-6 downshift slowed the car significantly and threw Russell off. Because Russell's judgement was on the early brake. Since he braked so early, Russell should not brake too hard. However Alonso added a downshift to it so the deceleration was more than anyone could expect. Alonso could not make the turn either and thus he upshift, accelerate to move the car into turning point, then made the final downshift lift off throttle and turned in. Why I said that it was 100% Alsonso fault? First it was a dangerous and unnecessary move. Second his judgement on Russell's ability to avoid crash with his dick move was wrong. As a old asshole who wanted to teach a lesson to young newcomer, he should judge perfectly the new guy's ability to react. If the new guy cannot react, it may kill the new guy. If Alonso wanted to make such dick move, he should use it on Hamilton. Hamilton can react to no matter dick move Alonso make. Not to Russell.

In this case, it was more likely George having to stay on the brakes way later than he would otherwise to not rear end Alonso causing him to lose the rear. It’s a common thing in cars that have zero aero. To grossly simplify, trail braking yourself in to a crash.

@@gpkjm watch the replay from George’s car, he wasn’t even that close to Alonso

@@zackberry6729he was so far away that he couldn’t even see him! He got spooked at Alonso not being where he thought he’d be once he did get close and binned it. Crazy to punish Alonso for this…

@@zackberry6729 you what?

@@bsrbck where did the stewards say it wasn't enough to be a brake test? The phrase "brake test" is a colloquialism and it would be strange for it to appear anywhere in a formal document or notes!

that is about right i feel.👌

The opposite is the case. When the pressure was at its highest in 2022, with Ferrari believing they had a title-challenging car for the first half of the year, Charles beat Carlos by over 80 points, with 9 poles to Carlos' 3 and 3 wins to Carlos' 1. In a title fight, any team would be stupid to back the slower driver.

@@elliotcrossan6290 Charles Leclerc first win 2019 last 2022, Carlos first 2022 last 2024 Carlos is a fighter, I don't see Lerclerc winning anything anymore!

@@daluzsoares To be fair, we haven't seen anyone win anything for the last few years. It went from Hamilton always winning straight to Max always winning and all others are relegated to "good luck mate." F1 has become processional and boring in that regard.

Those lads are tabloid level reporters - no surprise

Not surprised - it's a fairly typical position they take when it's a British driver.

@@chipsawdust5816Fair point, sir.

They tend to be of the 'pure racer' mindset.

@@chipsawdust5816 Perhaps and cultural bias is always present but here it's more a case of taking the moral high ground in order to distinguish themselves from the other media outlets and elevate themselves above the fan discourse, which isn't exclusively British but is defo hallmark of the current generation of pundits (Scott Mitchell particularly spineless but it's the same insufferably self righteous culture at Sky for instance) all of which needless to say comes at the expense of good judgement / honest commentary..

Yes, with 'many' dnf races because of his aggressive style. That's why I have some difficulties with Hamilton that he is a fan of Senna and blamed the driving style of Verstappen. Senna was not less offensive, aggressive, 'over the edge', however to call it. Senna vs Prost for example gave us some legendary fights btw.

@@mynewsis4u2 when Hamilton quoted that famous Senna 'youve got to go for a gap' Senna said that after wrecking Prost, not many people realise the context, including Hamilton.

@mynewsis4u2 max is pretty up their with senna tactics, hamilton is their aswell but not as bad and does not get hot headed like vettel ramming the side of cars, schumacher had his positives and negatives but matured well early races he was pretty hot headed like max but schumacher was smarter more calculated iq was higher virtually played the race in his head and told his pit crew what he wanted, those races and years are worth a revisit.

schumacher was worse! Should have been stripped of the 1994 championship. Cheat.

Dirty or just aggressive? I wish we had that kind of racing again.

Exactly...

George has a long history of crashing

All down to alonso.

The issue is a brake check, every motorsport race I've ever raced in lists that as a rules violation and worthy of a penalty (I've race for 15 years BTW in a variety of vehicles from shifter karts to Lotus Cup to American Iron).

@@robainscough Fernando has done this many times in defense. Why has only George binned it?

@@robainscoughnailed it. Most people don’t seem to realize that once you’ve committed to the corner, you can’t really just brake harder or turn more.

Max tried to give his position up and lewis was to dumb to notice it thats not a break test!

Lewis was not 'too dumb to notice' as you suggest - he was too smart to overtake before the DRS line (which would have allowed Verstappen to regain the place). Verstappen was right in the middle of the track when he stamped on the brakes and hit 2.9g deceleration - that is three times more than the most violent emergency stop that you or I have ever experienced in a road car. If anyone does that knowing there's a car behind, then he deserve a severe penalty (not the 10 seconds that the stewards gave, knowing that it would make absolutely no difference to his finishing position).

Are you delusional or what? Verstappen had to give the position back and they were going around 80kph. Here they are full throttle through a corner.

@@timeacott or lewis was too smart to overtake b4 the drs zone wich confirms it wasnt a brake test

Yeah! That was the time he absolutely wanted to stay behind Max. Quite funny he wasn't able to pass him ever since and just stayed far behind!👴😂😂😂

Agility and resilience. That young man has his head right in the right place, impressive!

I couldn't agree more. I'm not one of those Johnny come latelies when it comes to Sainz. He's very much like Jenson Button.

Much like his fellow Spaniard

Carlos has 99% of the speed of Leclerc, and 99% of the race intelligence of Alonso. Okay, maybe those numbers can be fudged a bit this way or that, but he's a complete driver, and a very good one. He complements Leclerc very well. He's also a lot more consistent than, I don't know... a driver such as George Russell. (I actually like Russell a lot, but these gaffs are quite obviously his own fault and they have cost him some success in his F1 career. And they don't seem to be going away.)

It's a great shout hot wings, that was just a very quick impromptu chat so I rushed through, not PW's normal setup.

Totally agree. Mansell was trying to pass Senna around the outside and Senna kept the inside line and the two touched and spun off. “Brake Test”?!?! I’m curious to know what incident Peter is actually referring to because Belgium ‘87 was definitely not a brake test.

Silverstone 21 even more

I signed up to F1pro. I'm not wasting money on a second rate Sky subscription.

Retarded isn't it

There was a car’s lenght between them when russell lost it. That’s all the proof I need. Russell sucks again.

brake checking is illegal on the road

Your personal car has brake lights and your personal car doesn’t race on race tracks at those speeds.

@@TheRealVranesh missed the whole point didn't you

​@@jerrygundrum1it's never ilegal.. you should keep a certain distance according to the road's standards

Alonso did a masterclass (like Brésil 2023) but shame on fia

So maybe a virus in their computers.

@@jkbzz nah, a wrong parameter between 1000s most likely, which is harder to solve than a virus

Good call

Uffff 👀

He's no.2 for sure

@@nawles1hence why Mercedes are 👀 around and want Max.

Uffff! Maybe LDT! Maybe, though I still think he may take gold one day...

To be fair, FIA penalties have recently increased from 10 to 20 seconds for a number of offences (I assume this is one of them?). That said, I get your point entirely!

The 51G is the biggest lie

Absolute rubbish. Would you say that a referee in a world Cup, who at the last second, took the ball, gave it to team 'a' in the penalty box and then took team 'b's' goalie away was a good call? 😅😅

​@@V.42405 No, I wouldn't say that, because that makes no sense. Nothing was given to team 'a' and nobody took the goalie away. Also, if the referee makes a mistake, they don't change the score of the game afterwards, do they? We all just kinda man up and accept it, right?

Nonsense. It’s dangerous and no decent driver brake checks in any formula. It’s definitely not part of race tactics at any level. It’s how people die.

Can you seriously be aware of AD21 and claim that the FIA protect Brits?!? Seriously?!? It is easy to see Masi's decisions that day as errors under pressure, but the FIA doubled down when the stewards rejected the appeal, and they doubled-down yet again with their white-wash of an 'inverstigation'.

Scalextric is what you are looking for. What father of all ALO did is what every driver does, and that is why he is so exciting to watch and why he is one of the best ever, Rusell was never close enough, he lost concentration and made a rookie mistake.

new F1 rule? "All laps must be the same'

@@1greenMitsi if you cannot bank on the other driver consistently driving or braking at least roughly where they should, it's just dangerous for everyone involved.. Alonso should be grateful George did not just directly plow into the back of him. What convo would we be having if that was the case?

@@mbwahaha if you cannot bank on the driver in front of you being reasonable (i.e. not slowing down deliberately during high-speed sections of the track) how can anyone follow anyone else? It will be a game of chicken to not plow into their gear-box every step of the way. How is that fun? It was terrible when Hamilton and Max were constantly taking each other out in 2021... if that is the game everyone is going to play its just a crash derby and not a race... it should be "who is fastest" not "who doesn't want to crash the most".

@@adam346 Russell was never close enough, he just went like a rookie thinking on the outcome, not in the situation.

It's more the other way around..

Erm, no

Uffff! Do yo think so LDTOK? I don't know, I like the the comparison to Nige for Charles. Both a bit fast and furious, you know? Cut from Gilles' cloth?

It's not "rough and strange treatment" to be replaced by the greatest driver of all time. It's the same as replacing Berger/Alesi with Schumacher. It would've been insulting to replace Sainz with Stroll, Tsunoda, or even a more successful but similarly talented driver like Bottas. But it is no shame or dishonour to be replaced by the GOAT.

Ayrton Senna is the GOAT

​@@Scatavic63not strange at all. The biggest driver brand in F1 meets thr biggest Constructor brand in F1. Trust the decision was a no brainer, they probably that's why they didn't even bother telling Sainz very late.

@@Scatavic63 Proven asset don't make me laugh, the closest Ferrari and Redbull has ever been was early 2022, where was he then. Absolutely no where, don't worry by 2027 you would have forgotten you wrote this here.

@@Scatavic63 You are the bitter one. You are crying because Ferrari drop Carlos for Lewis. Like I said no brainer.