The Trial of Cassian Andor | A Video Essay

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Bibliography:
Franz Kafka, The Trial, translated by Idris Parry, 1994
Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism, Zero Books, 2009
Paul Kurt Ackermann, A History of Critical Writing on Franz Kafka, The German Quarterly, Vol. 23, No. 2 (Mar., 1950), pp. 105-113 www.jstor.org/stable/401846?r...
#starwars #andor #kafka
Timestamps:
0:00 The arrest of Josef K.
1:47 The arrest of Cassian Andor
5:25 Totalitarianism, bureaucracy, and illusory authority
14:07 Loss, victory, and Kino Loy
21:54 Conlusion
23:55 Outro
(slight correction: "already-always" in my Mark Fisher quote at 11:16 should instead read "always-already".)
Andor, also known as Star Wars: Andor, is an American science-fiction action-adventure limited series created by Tony Gilroy for the streaming service Disney+. It is the fourth live-action series in the Star Wars franchise, as well as a prequel to both the spin-off film Rogue One (2016) and the original Star Wars film (1977). The series follows thief-turned-Rebel spy Cassian Andor during the five years that lead to the events of the two aforementioned films. Diego Luna reprises his role as Cassian Andor and also serves as an executive producer. The ensemble cast also includes Kyle Soller, Adria Arjona, Fiona Shaw, Stellan Skarsgård, Denise Gough, Genevieve O'Reilly, Faye Marsay, Varada Sethu, and Elizabeth Dulau, among others. The Trial (German: Der Process, previously Der Proceß, Der Prozeß and Der Prozess) is a novel written by Franz Kafka in 1914 and 1915 and published posthumously on 26 April 1925. One of his best known works, it tells the story of Josef K., a man arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime revealed neither to him nor to the reader.

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@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
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@Doctor_Straing_Strange
@Doctor_Straing_Strange Рік тому
Yo whatup
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange Hi 😎
@benwasserman8223
@benwasserman8223 Рік тому
And in traditional radicalizing fashion, it’s only once Cassian experiences the prison system first hand that he converts to “destroy the system” mode.
@myself2noone
@myself2noone Рік тому
Hmm. That's not the "traditional" way people are radicalized. Traditionally, it's upper middle-class people who are envious of those above themselves in statues. And radidiclazation is an excuse to shit on the higher upper class. We love victims who allow us to condemn those who we dislike the most. You might be able to tell some stories about this kind of thing happening. But the rich are radical. Poor people, meaning those who might go to prison here can't afford radical beliefs.
@Dickheaddotcom
@Dickheaddotcom Рік тому
@@myself2noone radicalization occurs when people do not enjoy statues. ok.
@myself2noone
@myself2noone Рік тому
@@Dickheaddotcom When the upper middle class don't. Lower-class individuals don't care as much. We have other things to worry about other than esoteric power politics between the rich and the super rich. The people who most want more social status are those who already have it.
@JaydenVarghese
@JaydenVarghese Рік тому
Just as Luthen wanted lol
@kunstlermann
@kunstlermann Рік тому
@@myself2noone what are you on about? Nearly all revolution were made real by poor people. The workers, the farmers, the soldiers fought for themselves and made a better world for them.
@scolkereybel
@scolkereybel Рік тому
Kino's "redemption" is so great. Because Kino was never "wrong", per se, he was trying to do his best, to make sure everyone around him would too, for the best outcome for them all. But when he learned he was participating in a structure which only sought his and the deaths of others? He is a part of the revolution, the information that once made him a prized gear, now makes him its undoing.
@TSDTalks22
@TSDTalks22 Рік тому
So astute of the showrunners to have a character named “kino” in a show that is pure kino
@TheSonicBros1
@TheSonicBros1 Рік тому
Bravo Gilroy
@callummacalister
@callummacalister Рік тому
The room in which Andor's trial takes place resembles an attic, exactly like the one Josef K. has his initial hearing in. You can see the beams on the ceiling that resemble roofing joists.
@OfficialArthusamakh
@OfficialArthusamakh Рік тому
with this video it reminded me of the trial room in dark knight rises
@Sinewmire
@Sinewmire Рік тому
​@Capitan Pablo which is itself a reference to French revolutionary show trials. Bane, knitting, is a reference to the old women who would attend them as entertainment.
@RozWBrazel
@RozWBrazel 11 місяців тому
@@Sinewmire I just love going down the rabbit holes of the comments on _Andor_ videos.
@deepashtray5605
@deepashtray5605 Рік тому
This is the first Star Wars narrative that actually took a deep dive into the human condition.
@myself2noone
@myself2noone Рік тому
Have you not watched a Star Wars narrative before this? Because no, it's not the first. The first was A New Hope.
@deepashtray5605
@deepashtray5605 Рік тому
​@@myself2noone I find it rather shallow by comparison.
@fransesco9703
@fransesco9703 Рік тому
@@myself2noone A New Hope is good and has amazing world-building. Andor wouldn't exist without it. But it's also a very simple and straightforward adventure movie, it didn't take a deep dive into the rebellion, the oppression of the empire, politics, or the human condition as Andor did
@shaunsmith9013
@shaunsmith9013 Рік тому
​@@deepashtray5605 I'm gonna sound very much like grass is a concept I don't understand, but I could write a paper linking how the Force is a Neoliberal ethos.
@deepashtray5605
@deepashtray5605 Рік тому
@@fransesco9703 Exactly. Leia was tortured in A New Hope and literally didn't even get her hair messed. Bix was tortured in Andor and came out of it severely traumatized.
@cat_jk00
@cat_jk00 Рік тому
Andor is the single best piece of Star Wars media since the ot.
@bobbirdsong6825
@bobbirdsong6825 Рік тому
i would go as far as to say that andor is better than the ot
@JITCompilation
@JITCompilation Рік тому
@@bobbirdsong6825 it’s a controversial opinion but i agree. Does it have the same cultural impact that the OT did in the 70s? No. But I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that the internet has drastically changed what people expect from their movies/TV. Movies and TV are held to a higher standard today than ever before, with both kids and adults launching heavy criticism if a movie/show fails to make an impact on them. Even with this added pressure, Andor still rises to the top as one of the best shows of its generation.
@spoon1555
@spoon1555 Рік тому
I don't think so. There are some incredible stories from the extended canon but the one that specifically comes to mind is Knights Of the Old Republic 2, unequivocally in my view the best piece of star wars media ever produced. It deals with so many complex themes about trauma, past choices and old friendships. One that's especially prescient now is the theme of inaction vs acting in the face of great suffering or war. It covers a lot more bases and the gameplay has aged poorly but the writing is second to none. It has quotes that will stay with me forever.
@marianorivera3272
@marianorivera3272 Рік тому
@@bobbirdsong6825 at face value, I couldn’t disagree.
@fullmetal2455
@fullmetal2455 8 місяців тому
​@@spoon1555the extended Canon of star wars to me always was deceptive, its goal was supposed to focus on the galaxy and some of its unknown aspects but only focuses on characters that are popular or a derivative characters set before "a new hope" Andor actually makes the starwars universe feel lived in
@urmom34150
@urmom34150 Рік тому
I need season 2 immediately.
@M2Mil7er
@M2Mil7er Рік тому
I'd rather wait 'til it's finished. It'll be better. Promise 😋
@JITCompilation
@JITCompilation Рік тому
@@M2Mil7er i agree. I’d pay any price and wait any amount of time for a Season 2 with the same quality as S1
@andreabarresi9874
@andreabarresi9874 Рік тому
Great video! One thing you kind of hinted at the end is that Andor and Kino and the other inmates succeed where Joseph K. failed is because Joseph was on his own. Thus not only power and authority can be exposed and communicated, but facing them and dismantling them requires collective action or it will be bound to fail. No single human is greater than the Big Other.
@ormapa1206
@ormapa1206 Рік тому
Everyday that a video about Andor is released is a good day. Also really good coincidence. I'm currently reading realism capitalism.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 Рік тому
Capitalist Realism? Mark Fisher?
@TheWarmachine375
@TheWarmachine375 Рік тому
I hope we get to see Andor Season 2 where Bail Organa will be the mediator between Mon Mothma the Idealist, Saw Guerrera the Radicalist and Luthen Rael the Pragmatist in the Rebel Alliance even if they have conflicts of interest.
@gonkdroid8279
@gonkdroid8279 Рік тому
I really hope we see Bail as well
@elisehoyt4107
@elisehoyt4107 11 місяців тому
Andor was so REAL. It had me crying every episode, especially the prison arc, because it feels like life today, and Andor the show and Cassian himself are saying it dpeant have to be. Matter of fact, it shouldnt be, and we can fix it
@Justanotherconsumer
@Justanotherconsumer Рік тому
I’m a simple cockroach. I see Kafka, I click.
@Flying-Maytree
@Flying-Maytree Рік тому
I think you may be cutting the Emperor too much slack when it comes to getting Cassian and others like him arrested. The whole point of that order was to get slave labor for the building of the Death Star. The Emperor was 100% behind that, though of course I'm sure he left the handling of the specifics of acquiring that slave labor force to his underlings. Unlike Kafka's accusers, who genuinely had no reason at all to be making K miserable, Cassian's arrest and imprisonment was very much intentional and the intention wasn't just random bullying -- it was purposeful and effective.
@mss11235
@mss11235 Рік тому
That's kind of the point he is making though. Almost exactly that...
@artemismoonbow2475
@artemismoonbow2475 Рік тому
It applies to the American Empire as well. We have the largest prisoner population in proportion to the population in the world (largely from racially and economically marginalized people that can be incarcerated and "good Americans" will just turn a blind eye). Prisoner's are often used as forced labor in public and private-for-profit slave labor camps we call prisons, where sentences can be arbitrarily extended. We have the largest military machine the world has ever seen and yet we get our asses kicked by half-starved insurgencies every single time. In fact the Spanish-American War was probably the last actual unilateral victory and it was against an earlier Empire on life support (We were just the Cavalry in WWI and WWII was really fought on the Eastern front in the grander scheme of things), so what is the Military worship about other than proto-fascism? Hell, George Lucas is on record saying, "The Empire is the United States and the rebellion is the Viet Cong." Pretty radical stuff for a billionaire.
@ehfoss
@ehfoss Рік тому
That whole angle made no sense. They have automation and robotics. Why did they need forced labour?
@Flying-Maytree
@Flying-Maytree Рік тому
@@ehfoss Because human beings are cheaper to use than machinery. It's as simple as that. Why pay for droids when the people are RIGHT THERE, ready to be used?
@priyapepsi
@priyapepsi Рік тому
​@@ehfoss cheaper than droids and easier to replace
@sfkeepay
@sfkeepay Рік тому
I have to say, I had a very different take on Andor’s arrest. But I think your explanation is more important. My interpretation of why Andor was arrested was simply that the Empire needed workers. Those imperial officers all had a quota to fill, so they detained anyone they felt like, for any reason they wanted. Maybe Andor reminded that “police officer” of a guy who turned him down for a date in high school. Or he didn’t like his accent. Or it was just the press of numbers; he needed X but had only found N so far, and any able-bodied human male would do. So taking Andor was only arbitrary in that sense, but there was, overall, a clear purpose at the top. And the call went out: we need workers, and we don’t care how you get them. This is not all that far away from the current reality in the US. The biggest differences are that, for the most part, 1. only one caste has been the target of that effort to find people to take, and 2. not as workers per se, but “engines of profit” for our current privatized prison system, which needs bodies to make money, and the more people are injected into the system, the more money the owners of private prisons get. The lower economic caste is, of course, the target of this unmitigated evil greed, and the simplest way to quickly identify who most likely belongs to that caste is skin color. But your explanation - though perhaps capable of existing alongside mine - is more important. Looking at two of our real world’s leading democracies, the U.S. and Israel, we can see exactly what you describe being attempted right before our eyes. Our U.S. Supreme Court is now dominated by people dedicated to their own agenda, not the word of law. They just make shit up now. There’s no fidelity to the law as written, judicial precedent, or even their ultra-reactionary conservative ideology. We can’t be certain what they will rule about anything. And now we have Ben Netanyahu in Israel dispensing with judicial oversight altogether, subjecting his people to arbitrary government, dismissing the rule of law. So what you describe, rule of whim and deflection of responsibility, radiates from the top, and vital parts of the highest levels of both U.S. and Israeli governments are devolving into engines of precisely that kind of chaos. When people stop adhering to law, we get authoritarianism and autocracy. Excellent video. Essential viewing.
@rafaelmarkos4489
@rafaelmarkos4489 10 місяців тому
I think the racial profiling is part of the subtext at least - after all, it's a Latin American man being arrested for random charges here.
@sfkeepay
@sfkeepay 10 місяців тому
@@rafaelmarkos4489 Very astute. I’m sure you’re 100% correct. I just wish I’d caught that implication when I first saw it. I’m a white guy, so there’s still extra steps for my brain to make those connections (but I’m really working on it).
@johnnyrivas2619
@johnnyrivas2619 Рік тому
It's cool seeing Anthony Perkins in something other than Psycho.
@auldthymer
@auldthymer Рік тому
He was a romantic ingénue until Psycho exploded his career. I once got to see The Matchmaker (1958) where he played the non-musical Cornelius to Shirley MacLaine's Irene.
@terranncegilmore
@terranncegilmore Рік тому
It's the best Star War thing I've ever seen
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Рік тому
Outside of Empire Strikes Back ;-)
@pseudonymousbeing987
@pseudonymousbeing987 Рік тому
@@methos-ey9nf On par for me. Myth and reality cannot be truly compared 1 to 1, thus both are best at what they are.
@OuterRimPride
@OuterRimPride Рік тому
I want a video edit where Cassian actually does take it up with the Emperor. And Palpatine is all apologetic and understanding and sees him compensated for the inconvenience.
@TheSagaris2
@TheSagaris2 Рік тому
“Where our protagonist is mistakenly arrested in Blackpool” pahahaaaa nice one
@BSideWasTaken
@BSideWasTaken Рік тому
The plot plus some of the performances (Luna himself plus of course Skarsgard and Serkis) were truly fantastic, surprisingly good show and honestly one of the best things Disney have done with Star Wars.
@juanvasquez6535
@juanvasquez6535 Рік тому
On a rainy day last year I was detained walking back and forth on a covered strip mall right of way sidewalk after a dentist visit while waiting for my wife. I live in the USA. No one had asked me to leave or even spoken to me. I wasn't singing or talking. I was listening to an audio book called White Too Long The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity By Robert P. Jones. I saw the Andor episode right after that. For the record I'm coded as white.
@halowaffle25
@halowaffle25 Рік тому
Honestly as good as Andor is, it's held back a little bit by the IP. I think it feels perfect as a deeper look at the Star Wars universe, but it's a shame that a ton of people will probably never watch Andor, just because of the total IP burnout people have with Disney anymore. The show stands toe-to-toe with with the classics of the Sci Fi genre in my opinion. But nobody saw a modern classic when it released. They saw yet another piecemeal drop of Star Wars media in the overflowing, dirty bucket of modern Disney.
@domenicodipippo1957
@domenicodipippo1957 Рік тому
Let that sink in: this masterpiece is being held back by being part of the f-ing STAR WARS franchise. I’d like to imagine what it would’ve been like if this was released before rogue one
@TSDTalks22
@TSDTalks22 Рік тому
Andor? I hardly know'er!
@frostyfrenchtoast
@frostyfrenchtoast Рік тому
This show single handedly justifies the Disney buyout imo. It’s legit the best piece of Star Wars media in actual decades
@RamboSnoop
@RamboSnoop Рік тому
and now they're bringing in filoni to butcher it
@fullmetal2455
@fullmetal2455 8 місяців тому
​@@RamboSnoop let gilroy have sole control of Andor and a potential First Order prequel. Filony is good for animated stuff like bad batch
@ChangedMyNameFinally69
@ChangedMyNameFinally69 4 місяці тому
@fullmetal2455 Filoni is barely even in control of BB which is probably why it's decent
@ChangedMyNameFinally69
@ChangedMyNameFinally69 4 місяці тому
I gotta shill Fallen Order and Survivor. If Andor is the best representation of the "Rebellion" side of Star Wars, those games represent the "Jedi" side the best
@carlopaez3380
@carlopaez3380 11 місяців тому
I've been binging Andor video essays because I'm desparate for more Andor content. The structure here is maybe more "traditional" than other video essays, which is by no means a criticism. The content of this essay, however, is thoroughly more interesting than other essays I've sat through. Andor is the first Disney Star Wars show that can really be compared to proper, good art. Well done man, great essay.
@Nienormalny
@Nienormalny Рік тому
Shear fact that analysis like this are possible and being made is a proof of Andor's series quality level. Absolutely loved it. Well done Pillar!
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 5 місяців тому
You deserve better Grand Admiral
@justinstoll4955
@justinstoll4955 Рік тому
Andor is probably the best Star wars storytelling. The show does so much with the dialogue is so dense than even the design of sets and things I think are contribute to the story. Such as the prison. It resembles the panopticon that has been discussed his philosophy as a sort of totalitarian prison.
@mariannedarrow7227
@mariannedarrow7227 Рік тому
I agree, it is really a great show.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 Рік тому
Speaking of Kafka, I highly recommend playing The Franz Kafka Video Game. It's one of the best point and click adventure games ever made.
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
The second you said recommend playing, I thought you were about to recommend FF VI 😅
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 Рік тому
​@@louisvictor3473 Oh. Haven't played that. But yeah, go play The Franz Kafka video game, it's so cool!
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
@@jeremyusreevu237 Best FF game if you ask me, but... I am very biased 😁
@jeffreycarman2185
@jeffreycarman2185 Рік тому
I really loved Andor, it is my favorite Star Wars media, if not of all time, certainly of the Star Wars released this century. Thanks for the analysis.
@BugRib
@BugRib Рік тому
The Trial is the basically the first thing I thought of when I saw the arrest and sentencing sequence. The whole situation is somehow hilarious and terrifying at the same time. 😂😱
@helloworld6469
@helloworld6469 Рік тому
like what you did with the audio for the Kafka quotes that was cool.
@mjelves
@mjelves Рік тому
"A man once said: Hell is the impossibility of reason". It took me many years before I realized how true that statement is. if reason can't get you anywhere, there's nothing else left than to go insane
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 Рік тому
Also kafka had first hand insight into th terrors of bureaucratic labyriths and geting lost in them, he wa either a secritary at courts or a lawyer. He knew of the criminal justice systems and , that. probably what ,akes him sadly timeless.He hated that job. Not that all courts have tobe that, but eay can be used and just grind their wheel once catching anyone, at last smallr guys usually.
@Bri_Merriman
@Bri_Merriman Рік тому
I don’t usually comment on videos, but this video essay was absolutely fantastic. Your writing and textual analysis is amazing. You deserve so much more attention! I love the almost Foucauldian edge to your analysis of the prison section.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thanks very much :)
@GirlfriendRecapsMovies
@GirlfriendRecapsMovies Рік тому
Brilliant video. One of the best analyses of the show I’ve seen
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thank you!
@scooble
@scooble Рік тому
Very well articulated
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thank you :)
@burningicecube2486
@burningicecube2486 Рік тому
Thanks for tricking me into watching a half hour video about the trial by baiting me in with StarWars, great video!
@OmegaDoesThings
@OmegaDoesThings Рік тому
I'm not terribly well read (when it comes to classics), so I wasn't aware of the Kafka connection. However, I've also been binge-watching DS9 recently, and this vid also reminded me that they effectively did this to Chief O'Brien twice (once by the Cardassians, and once for the mind-prison episode)
@alpacaofthemountain8760
@alpacaofthemountain8760 Рік тому
Amazing video! Loved this arc in Andor
@kassiescott8303
@kassiescott8303 Рік тому
Yay! More Pillar stuff to watch!!
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
:D
@abbefaria2596
@abbefaria2596 Рік тому
beautifully written and presented essay. thank you.
@harry664
@harry664 Рік тому
you are based for making this.
@harry664
@harry664 Рік тому
one migh even say the G04t
@theodore9668
@theodore9668 Рік тому
It’s so awesome to see your channel growing
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thank you!
@tennawan
@tennawan Рік тому
This video is really well done, thanks for making it
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Coulshed
@Coulshed Рік тому
Great vid man 👍
@danielcoulthardjr6608
@danielcoulthardjr6608 Рік тому
Great essay. Fantastic stuff
@jackservans6906
@jackservans6906 Рік тому
I'd like it if you did breakdowns on some of the Spectacular Spider-Man villains like you've done for the EMH characters. It feels like you're the only channel out there (except HiTop films) who's really broken down individual parts of the show, and that show meant a lot to my childhood. It seems like you like the show as well, and I really enjoyed your videos on Midsummer Night's Dream (which I watched shortly before my own school's production of the play). Some of the villains in that show have very dynamic arcs; Sandman, Norman Osborn, Eddy Brock, and Colonel Jupiter come to mind.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
I'll bear that suggestion in mind, thank you!
@arnaudloche2725
@arnaudloche2725 Рік тому
I don't know why but the first citation just got me fascinated from the beginning to end of the video.
@K_J_Coleman_Composer
@K_J_Coleman_Composer Рік тому
This story arc was easily the best part of the entire show.
@fluffywolfo3663
@fluffywolfo3663 Рік тому
When you talk about the level of overreach on Niamos, it suddenly puts the desolate look of the planet come episode 11 in a whole new light. Is it the off-season, or is it that even in this (slightly) less war-crime-of-the-week mode, people know that Niamos _is no longer safe?_
@ActualFandom
@ActualFandom Рік тому
Oh cool, will watch this later after a meeting. Loved Andor though
@nevar108
@nevar108 Рік тому
I really wish that a video like this could bring an "awakening" to populations on this pale blue dot... People need to realize they are stronger then they believe, and that strength is their power.
@AspelShuyin
@AspelShuyin Рік тому
I really gotta finish this show. It was so good.
@onearmedbandit84
@onearmedbandit84 Рік тому
It feels like Atlanta has become a microcosm of all the contemporary issues Andor has touched upon the past few months. Starting with the fact that the facility is being built with in a an indigenous forest that would result in considerable ecological and environmental damage much like what the Imperials did to Aldhani. Likewise with police agencies responding to hundreds of black-bloc militants chasing out the cops with fireworks before torching the construction site by detaining festival goers who had nothing to do with said attack and charged as 'domestic terrorists' as a form of collective punishment thanks to a statute ironically enough created after a white supremacists shot up a black church. None of those charged with 'domestic terrorism' have actually been accused of actual acts that would've constituted as such under the statute. And of course before that there was the considerable unrest that erupted in downtown Atlanta after the execution of an unarmed activist in which a police cruiser was destroyed and several corporations supporting Cop City were vandalized.
@prometheus3498
@prometheus3498 Рік тому
This video essay deserves more love, its fantastic.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thank you :)
@prometheus3498
@prometheus3498 Рік тому
@@PillarofGarbage You've legit inspired me through this video to start my own media analysis channel, Im literally writing my first script on why the Spiderman Home Trilogy Deserves to Be Loved!
@ChangedMyNameFinally69
@ChangedMyNameFinally69 4 місяці тому
I feel most of Kafka's work was inspired by his own depression. So him writing a book where he's arrested for no reason fits the paranoid worldview of a depressed man, who thinks everyone is against him.
@hoos3014
@hoos3014 Рік тому
Brilliant!
@dominicschaeffer909
@dominicschaeffer909 Рік тому
Nemik’s Manifesto- though nothing of it’s sort is referenced in The Trial it can be said that it was/is a key difference in how Cassian’s views on the Individual’s place in an encroaching fascist society. Perhaps an “Andor Essay” is in the works in this regard? Good stuff, btw!
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Have you seen my previous Andor video? It’s quite closely related to this: Andor: Star Wars from Below ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hp6gd5qCi5iKkqM.html
@thatmovienitpicker8070
@thatmovienitpicker8070 Рік тому
Hey… This video is super cool and goated.
@aidbotwoody939
@aidbotwoody939 Рік тому
Its so fascinating looking at the conflicts between art and Authoritarianism. There is a long tradition in fascism branches of the disavowment of more esoteric art, characterized well by Hitler's famous quote about blue hills and green skies. In more recent times there have been attacks on pieces of modern art like "Who's afraid of Red, Yellow and Blue" by fascist leaning individuals. Another massive 20th century authoritarian body, The USSR also had an absolutely fascinating relationship with art in society, though more prominently and I would say crucially with music. Music in the Union had two streams, officially sanctioned, and underground/illegal, both of which heavily influenced society. Of course the most obvious means of artistic control was censorship but there were other softer controls too such as the words used to describe music which carried a derogatory connotation for non-Russian non-classical music. The underground music scene was far more influential in the long term and there is no coincidence that nearly every democratic revolution by Post-Soviet countries involved music and the Baltic states gained independence through the "Singing Revolution". In the Union western music was extremely popular in spite of the massive risks one took in owning such records and it was usually the authorities themselves who were responsible for their smuggling particularly the further from Moscow you got. In places like Mongolia there were songs like The Ringing of the Bell which were sung in chorus by enormous groups of protesters; In Russia itself the sole legal rock music location became a hotbed for artists pushing the limits of what censorship allowed for under the loosening restrictions of Glasnost and so you get groups like Kino, Mashina Vremeni, and DDT who become amongst the best known Russian bands following the collapse of the USSR. I guess this just turned into a long way of saying hey Disney where are all the artists in your universe.
@Sinewmire
@Sinewmire Рік тому
George Lucas famously said that Soviet directors had a better time than he did, as they weren't enslaved to the need to make a profit over art.
@Matthewcmiel
@Matthewcmiel Рік тому
Great video! Seriously!
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Thank you!
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
Reminds me way too much of how asylum seeking is handled in Europe (at least). Well, the whole of immigration really, but soncalled "economic migrants" get a prettier face that looks less like a trial (though it generally is, in practice) and the nicer more lenient side of the bureaucratic grinder, so people usually don't see much of an issue. Sometimes, I hate this planet.
@Dhieen
@Dhieen Рік тому
Thats why Andor is the best star wars thing ever!! Its so more complex than any movie, so rich in its meaning, I loved it so much
@Doctor_Straing_Strange
@Doctor_Straing_Strange Рік тому
I loved this show
@mrfamilyfriendly4370
@mrfamilyfriendly4370 Рік тому
Well made video. As a German, I wanna add a tiny detail about Kafkas „Der Prozess“, as in German, the word „Prozess“ can, as a noun, mean Trial, which it was translated to as ir is topic of the book. But, as another noun, it means as „process“. Cool detail and in my opinion a comment on the idea of a system, that just keeps going without second doubt or maybe even a first.
@troublewithweebles
@troublewithweebles Рік тому
I have been telling people to watch The Trial for decades now, and now I am telling you. It's bonkers, it's bothersome, it's beautiful, it's unnerving.
@Kardinaal29
@Kardinaal29 5 місяців тому
This was basically the story of a lot of African American men post Emancipation Proclamation where you then saw a lot of black men arrested for “crimes”. The movie “Life” with Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy does a great job of highlighting this in semi humorous manner.
@matthewk122
@matthewk122 Рік тому
Agree
@phillylifer
@phillylifer Рік тому
There is an unwritten description of the physical environment that i found terrifying on a subliminal level, i could not continue reading this story. I need to go back and try again.
@seasidescott
@seasidescott Рік тому
Need more explanation on how functionaries wrap themselves in the comfort of such a system as it gives them _orientation_ and _identity_ , the two things necessary for one to experience _meaning_ in life. The clerk at city hall has their job title (identity) and a narrow section of rules (orientation) that is enough to for them to feel they validated. This is actually the model for the vast majority of people and they do not see the overall concept or long-term product of their actions or acknowledge the relevance of it if pointed out. Is this mere cognitive dissonance or selfishness or stupidity? Yes, and all of us do it to some degree at all times just to maintain our sanity. We cannot know every eventual outcome of every one of our actions any more than the butterfly flapping its wings that initiates the hurricane/typhoon. But we do know that not flapping those wings (doing our job according to the rules) will endanger our job (identity).
@murciadoxial8056
@murciadoxial8056 Рік тому
To see the arrest of Cassian Andor as Kafkaesque is a very interesting perspective, but to me it is just a spotlight to how those kinds of regimes actually work, that stuff that happened to Andor does happen in the real world, my dad ended up in jail in a VERY similar way once.
@benzur3503
@benzur3503 Рік тому
The Trial isn’t about a lawless bureaucracy. Joseph K only comes to his proceedings once. He is late because he assumed he’d recognize the place he’d never been in, after also assuming the time of the proceedings without asking, where before the judge can even make sure who he is he jumps and declares the whole system a sham in which he refuses to participate, that can keep on going without him for as much as he cares about it. Which, to his request, it does. This condemnation of the court by K isn’t the end of the story, this is the second out of 13 chapters. If the whole of the work was about an arbitrariness of judgement, why does the book go on so long after the main thesis? Why does K not hear any accusations against himself, false or true? It is K that describes his accuser as arbitrary and thus unworthy of an effort showing his innocence. The witness Joseph K have duped many a reader which ignored contradictions in K’s claims and the events of the first and later chapters. K does not tangle with an uncaring system, he deems it so to not consider what he might be guilty of. With his own lawyer K doesn’t bother to ask what he’s even accused of. Just sits around waiting for this burden to be lifted. Andor might be what many describe as kafkaesque, but Kafka’s own works rarely are.
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
No, it is not a lawless bureaucracy. It is a very lawful one, which is what even makes it a bureaucracy. If your criticism starts with just using words because they sound great together to someone who has no idea what they actually mean and that they make bo sense together, you might not have a very well based point from the start.
@benzur3503
@benzur3503 Рік тому
@@louisvictor3473 the argument in this video regards a bureaucratic system which makes up accusations and does not check before acting on them. That is a bureaucracy which doesn’t function with law but with whim. Which-as my point stands- is not the bureaucracy described in Kafka’s ‘The Trial’. As long as it’s not K describing at least.
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
@@benzur3503 That is a very poor follow-up, mate. Even if it works "with whim" as you say (that is jot exactly what the video is saying, so just reinforcing that "those were words" vibe,), and we are going to assume the two are in fact completely distinct for the sake of the argument, it still doesn't automatically make it lawless. How does this bureaucracy receives legitimacy in the first place (without it, it would be a gang, not a bureaucracy) if not by a legal apparatus? The very concept of a bureaucracy, even a malfunctioning sham one requires laws. Maybe they are shite laws in a shite system, but that is a completely different issue than "lawness".
@benzur3503
@benzur3503 Рік тому
@@louisvictor3473 you can ignore the context of my comment if you insist. I’m no lawless bureaucrat and will not arrest you using false justification
@louisvictor3473
@louisvictor3473 Рік тому
@@benzur3503 Again, more poor arguing. What context to ignore? The video, which is not how you describe, or your refusal to elaborate what you are saying as if it was my obligation to know? Good point, I will ignore both besides for pointing it out. Thanks for making my point for me, team effort!
@owenthomas5103
@owenthomas5103 Рік тому
I'm a burocrat. I firmly believe my current work is for good but about half my decisions can't be justified other than by a vague nebulous sense of how my department interperates things. Is scairely easy to imagine how easily this system could enforce evil without any accoutability.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Very interesting perspective, thank you for sharing!
@allsucksX
@allsucksX Рік тому
I really don't like the translation of the opening quote. A more accurate translation would be: "Somebody must have slandered ["verleumdet"] Josef K., for, without having done any evil ["Böses"], he was arrested one morning." It just... has a different gravity than simply saying somebody "told lies" and Josef K. didn't do "anything truly wrong" imo.
@pseudonymousbeing987
@pseudonymousbeing987 Рік тому
Is this a case of German having words with more meanings than any single English word used to translate them?
@allsucksX
@allsucksX Рік тому
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Not really. "Verleumdung" is a legal term that is best translated as slander. I'd think that Kafka, being a jurist himself, was careful in choosing this specific word. "[das] Böse, [etwas] Böses" would also be literally translated as "[the] evil, [something] evil". The literal translation for "[something] wrong" would be "[etwas] Falsches". Both slander and evil would imply a sort of malice that is definitely ingrained in the german words. I don't know why the words were changed in the translation, but there are quite literal translations that would be better suited imho.
@pseudonymousbeing987
@pseudonymousbeing987 Рік тому
@@allsucksX Thanks for the info :D
@WarDogMadness
@WarDogMadness Рік тому
The adventures of space che .
@juant675
@juant675 Рік тому
The process is my favourite from kafka
@damnrapunzel8130
@damnrapunzel8130 Рік тому
Kino's journey
@Justguro
@Justguro Рік тому
Andor is elite
@shaunsmith9013
@shaunsmith9013 Рік тому
It drives me nuts when people call the arrest of Cassian as pointless, trite, random, etc. Maybe as a "leftist" 🤓, I am attuned to link these narratives. Because it seemed pretty obvious his arrest is coincidental but NOT RANDOM lazy story telling.
@letsplaysquire3257
@letsplaysquire3257 Рік тому
Now I want to hear the story of an all powerful but weary emperor brought low by the need to rely on fascist bureaucracy to control a galaxy being the seed to spark the rebellion that brings it all down
@Chaosqueenngami
@Chaosqueenngami 9 місяців тому
I had an epiphany while watching this. Some conservatives don’t understand why people not directly effected by a cause still choose to support it. It’s because they see if they don’t stand up for this one injustice it will simply pave a way for more injustices that may eventually effect them directly.
@tofu_golem
@tofu_golem Рік тому
I took the arrest as a comment on America's injustice system, which routinely prosecutes innocent people for the profit of prison owners.
@supremeownage8995
@supremeownage8995 Рік тому
I mean I appreciate you trying to bring these concepts back to our own world, but i think you're underestimating the effect of the Dark Lord of the Sith had upon how insanely totalitarianism the Empire becomes. He'd gotten his dirty claws deep even back when it was the Republic, god knows all the sorts of things he got up to as both the Supreme Chancellor AND the secret separatist leader, but he clearly takes this to a whole new level with the Empire. I think in Andor, their attack was just the excuse he needed to start up his new slave system needed to build the Death Star, but Luthen obviously knew and banked upon the Empire responding so strongly. But I'd argue it's more tied up in "evil Sith space magic" than it is with a system that doesn't know what it's doing. The Dark Side of the force seems to get stronger with the more death and suffering in the universe, so i think the influence of the Sith in all this misery cannot be understated. I wouldn't be surprised if Sidious had a direct hand in this nightmare slave-prison, or at the very least directed those directly beneath him to make it happen.
@kailomonkey
@kailomonkey Рік тому
Good video. This is the world I experience. The difference with Andor is it's a fantasy in which we indulge in dreams of taking on and overcoming the system. You are right it isn't that simple or enough, it is nothing. It is hopeful and inspiring but made up. In fact it's cathartic, releasing of frustration, reinforcing the system, reducing our efforts. There's nothing we can do that will change the heavy tide.
@epsilonaut
@epsilonaut Рік тому
One thing that jerked me out of my reverie was the fact that the orbital shot of Europe at 23:48 was mirror-flipped. Why?
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Good question - sadly I can't give an answer, it was just stock footage.
@silluete
@silluete Рік тому
This video make me almost want to pirate Andor. Almost.
@joeytherealist6041
@joeytherealist6041 Рік тому
8:32 Just curious, why is keef girgo a spectacular name?
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Idk it just sounds Extremely Silly to my ears
@wutangclan2051
@wutangclan2051 4 місяці тому
Andor is the best of Star Wars
@zainabamadahy9918
@zainabamadahy9918 Рік тому
You don't have to have read Kafka to wonder at the absurdity of policing in America and many other places in the world. But maybe more folks will see the parallels if they read the book or see this video. Thank you.
@iancowan3527
@iancowan3527 Рік тому
Or... You've had the exposure to the obscure source material that was conveniently lifted for stage directions and script!?!?!
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
The Trial is not obscure
@iancowan3527
@iancowan3527 Рік тому
@@PillarofGarbage Does that mean you agree with the rest of the statement, beyond the single word usage?
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
@@iancowan3527 I'm honestly not totally sure what you're saying so idk
@iancowan3527
@iancowan3527 Рік тому
@@PillarofGarbage would you say the Trial was an influence... Or more used as the template!
@Adurnis
@Adurnis Рік тому
I just watched the D&D movie and had a thought about that prison related to this (spoilers, natch) I think the film really undercuts itself in the opening sequence where they escape the prison during their parole hearing. We know that prison is a brutal and unfair system: the prisoners are seen doing hard labor, chopping ice for no apparent reason. They weren’t arrested for hurting anyone, just for trying to steal something. This is an obviously and inherently unjust system, just like we see in America today. That’s why it sucks that their pardon is granted. It makes for a great joke that establishes the film’s tone of these lucky bastards taking the hard way out, but it really undercuts what we know to be the reality of prison. Edgin secures their release through eloquence and a heartfelt appeal-unlike the real world, in which far too often, innocent people serve full and brutal sentences. The movie was fun and I’m glad it was made, but there are all kinds of little notes like this that make me wish the script had been approached a bit more thoughtfully.
@lvernon9471
@lvernon9471 Рік тому
Looking forward to this being a critique of capitalism and the police state of the USA! Will update after I watch.
@TheStarBlack
@TheStarBlack Рік тому
Cleveleys not Blackpool!
@makcraft
@makcraft Рік тому
I would really appreciate to see these bureaucracy things with lustrations and these corrupted judges of the Empire seeing their new fate in the New Republic. I really hate that BS story in Mandalorian S3 with that scientist. It could have been much much more. Sheesh. Rogue One and Andor are really the only things that are great in the StarWars Disney era.
@bradylewis1037
@bradylewis1037 Рік тому
is this meat kafkaesque
@okhmgm88
@okhmgm88 Рік тому
what a view from a person who never encountered oppression You need to talk to people who encountered oppression in Africa and Arab world. Go to a refugee centre near you which include ppl who were jailed in countries like Syria by the government or Ukraine by Russia. Then and only then you will understand Kafka and see how real it is. I personally didn't fully understand Kafka until I lived with those ppl who suffered this kind of oppression. I am not being antagonistic towards you I am just stating my opinion. I enjoy your work and you're video essays.
@Paul-wd8cz
@Paul-wd8cz Рік тому
Nice video essay, are you going to take on the way driods in Star Wars normalise slavery?
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Maybe one day but that’s honestly such a weird and messy subject in Star Wars that I wouldn’t even know where to start lol
@Paul-wd8cz
@Paul-wd8cz Рік тому
​@@PillarofGarbage I always compare it to Huckleberry Finn, as Huck initially thinks of Jim and his family as property: "Here was this n*****, which I had as good as helped to run away, coming right out flat-footed and saying he would steal his children-children that belonged to a man I didn’t even know; a man that hadn’t ever done me no harm."
@dagdammit
@dagdammit Рік тому
​@@PillarofGarbageyeah, it really is.
@jchoneandonly
@jchoneandonly Рік тому
3:42 How is anything set during the galactic empire a critique of capitalism? It doesn't get much less capitalist than an emperor controlling everything
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
Andor often sees characters (particularly imperial / corpo ones) reminisce about the days of the republic.
@jchoneandonly
@jchoneandonly Рік тому
@@PillarofGarbage even the republic wasn't that much of a proper capitalist situation since the markets were run by an oligopoly of the government a d trade federations and junk
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage Рік тому
@@jchoneandonly Insert *does he know* meme here
@jchoneandonly
@jchoneandonly Рік тому
@@PillarofGarbage oh you're using the Marxist definition instead of the colloquial term? That's even more ridiculous because the socialists meet that definition better frankly. So I guess the republic was slightly more free market? It was a late stage democracy anyway.
@TheStarBlack
@TheStarBlack Рік тому
Because the series was obviously written as a comment on fascism and current day capitalism is morphing very rapidly into fascism.
@kamerondonaldson5976
@kamerondonaldson5976 Рік тому
control is natural enough. without it the old and infirm would have nothing to keep them alive and comfortable. charity only takes the form of defective worn and torn hand me downs.
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