And ALL bonuses,and pension payments returned as her work was NOT done to the Standard of the Post Office prior to 1999!

For sure !but we know that we’ll never happen !

Thank for that because I can’t write here what I would like to say !👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿

There is no chance these scumbag will get jail.they have the money to avoid jail.british justice can be curcimventef if you are rich

100% agree 👍

Would have happened already.. it's being dragged out so they can figure out an escape clause. Gov are culpable too so they have to protect each other. If senior management go down, they'll try and take politicians with them. Nothing will happen. It's fukt.

UK only prosecute normal people 😂

bet they all get away scott free.

@@eddjordan2399agree - none of them will suffer more than minor inconvenience.

There’s a fraud investigation, but that’s only about what happened to the money sub-pms we’re forced to pay.

complain to police, who stops you

given her a performence bonus from the proceeds of the crime .i did not know .

Something called the ''Proceeds of Crime Act'' can be used for that.

@@24321619 I hope so- justice needs to be done, some of these liars earned millions of pounds in salaries, huge bonuses, and massive pensions. Let them make up the losses the Post Office, and therefore the tax payer will suffer for their negligence, incompetence and dishonesty. Rant over, but I’ve been watching the enquiry and I’m furious!

The lies they are spewing on camera 😂 .absolute vermin when I broke the law I went to prison .......let's see what happens to these (I already know)

It's amazing how they get these high level roles yet all have a memory like a sieve. Bunch of sociopaths.

These all involved should all give back bonuses and go to prison everyone of them

15 years and £10m

They probably won’t. How many politicians go to prison and they have done some of the most terrible things. There is a level some people in the country find themselves and they remain untouchable there

British judicial system....the envy of the world🤭

It gives them time to shift their money somewhere else so that they never pay the full fines and compensation. I bet all of their earnings have already been given away to their children, so will be impossible to get back.

The judge did refer 2 witnesses to the police for perjury at the time. I suspect that in this devil woman's case, he'd (quite correctly) formed the opinion that she was lying, but didn't think there was evidence to support it. There's certainly evidence now though!

​@@dandare1001proceeds of crime can follow the money to relatives. I'd take all her money.

Jail maybe, bankruptcy definitely

Both would serve them right,taste of their own medicine.

Never happen ,two tier justice ⚖️ system in England always.

I can't wait..!!

More excited for that than the premier league run in!

She needs to be it financially too.

She absolutely deserves to be. What a vile individual.

But she is part of the establishment so of course they will go easy on her. Just wait and see.

And they perverted the course of justice from at very least 2015 which is 9 years. So each time they were called to explain and hey blamed the Sub Postmasters that was once.

Justice is only for the poor. The establishment protects the wealthy.

Hear Hear

Whatever they say at this inquiry can be used in any future prosecution.

AND the MP's and Cabinet members and the Ministers who KNEW what was going on LONG AGO and yet REFUSED to take responsibility and thus accountability ON THEIR WATCH. It's starting to annoy me all these delays and 'stages' this inquiry is insisting on when they could be recommending prosecutions begin in earnest BEFORE it winds up.

They are waiting until the end of the public enquiry as it would have to be stopped if they intervened

Too busy following orders from above 😉😉 to investigate Angela Raynor

the poor guy at the end is evidence these people need jail time

Perhaps a small distinction, but that is NO ''lady''.

Also, many people are always saying that if the world was ruled by women it would be a better place. But the few women in power have certainly proven otherwise. The world governed by women will be horrible.

What a vile individual.

The Judge could have reported her for investigation by the Police for Perverting the course of justice.

Think she will be sick and not attend

@@MRJERRYCURTIN then find where she lives and trash her house! vile woman! whos house was paid for by the tax payer and those who she ruined and killed when she was at the job!

@@MRJERRYCURTINIn that case, a subpoena is likely.

@@ilokivi She already has one, I think.

isn't that a disgrace? scraping the bottom of human depravity and such obvious morally bankrupt behaviour. their consciences are dead, that poor woman who signed the NDA.

Yes,those executives should be forced to repay all the money they robbed back to their victims,plus compensation on top commesurate with addressing the losses their actions caused to those people.

it seems we know more of what took place than the criminals in charge of running this .

It may be on PBS but it was not made by PBS

900 and possibly more bub.

No, Arbuthnot was truthful as well, the day after Alan bates

There have also been witness statements made by some of the SPMs, they're also telling us the truth.

Look more an organised crime ring to me.

They can't remember. They don't recall. They have no memory of that. They can't remember exactly what their job was back then. They don't recall who they reported to. To be honest, I think I would now have a short memory if I had been a Fujitsu employee back then. Unrelated to this scandal, but pertaining to a prominent UK Government contractor, from 1982 to 1990 approximately 25 scientists and engineers who were working for Marconi or its associated companies died under mysterious or unexplained circumstances. In a 6 month period alone, in 1987, six scientists died in separate, unusual incidents (including several utterly bizarre and gruesome suicides / accidents). The official investigations largely concluded these deaths as suicides or accidents. I am not suggesting a conspiracy; I am presenting facts as reported by the Associated Press and other reputable organisations. Search for 'Marconi deaths inquiry' and "Marconi Mystery' (the latter is what the press dubbed it). You can also search for a specific article entitled 'The Baffling Case of the Dead Scientists' (AFR); there had been 22 such deaths at the time that article was written in 1988, and Marconi were being investigated following allegations of massive fraud.

Yep, they wouldn't have just did it, without being asked to, and the only ones that would have instructed Fujitsu to do this would have been POL. Working in in Legal, most companies do what their customer (POL) want and Fujitsu probably never thought that POL would be up to no good.

HMRC and the DWP are not slow....

The lawyers the post office use to redress the wrongs make sure they get paid 1st. Slowing everything down and ensuring they themselves receive 2x the compensation offered to victims. The lawyers are ripping off the government.

She is part of the elite that's why she won't be jailed.the police and prosecutors are villians too for not prosecuting them.if I defrauded a grand from the dss I would be lobbed in jail

Oh the compensation issue is a nonsense in itself ! Only certain former PostMasters can APPLY. Length of service is an issue; those who were sent to JAIL have a claim that is worth MORE than those who weren't, but the government is reserving the RIGHT to determine how much THAT should be worth by comparison.....And what of those who have DIED or took their OWN lives ? How do you even BEGIN to calculate their claim ???

@@johnrowland3105 well need to get a solicitors involved a go find me even, and sue the post office and the data company and lobby the government. each case should be on its merit but anybody affected should get some compensation. well of course you can't bring back the dead but you can compensate the familys of the people who have committed suicide. because of the post office action and the data company have to pay up! why should they be let off for?? from prosecution, no there's no reason why they shouldn't be prosecuted. or even involve king Charles I think he should be bought into this he should step in.

The purpose of large compensation cases is to pay out large amounts in legal fees, so it's going to take a decade or two to sort out...

Not if you are a White Woman, it is the fault of her father, brother, ex lover, any man we can find but never a woman's fault.

Plus interest, plus compensation.

Getting my popcorn ready 🍿

Remote access is built into ALL distributed systems, this is to enable IT admin to update software, apply patches, etc onto many computers at one time. Remote access isn't wrong - you have it on your laptop when you are asked to update your apps etc. What is wrong is how remote access can be used fraudulently and without a proper security clearance or audit trail of who did what. The FJ engineers used SPMs logins to alter accounts - this would make it seem it came from the spm. It also seems, from evidence from the public enquiry, that the PO itself would approve such tampering with accounts - therefore offering more proof that the PO knew it was going on from an early stage Hope this helps..

I'm guessing because first the lawyers have to have their snouts in the trough first. Once their belly's are full, then some scraps can be handed over to the real victims.

We are getting compensated now. Slowly.

@hserenewarren6688 glad to read something in favour of these subpostmasters.👍

And to court before a judge.

Exactly, I have maintained this for some time. This was an Oracle system, with local data caching, and anyone who has been a database admin knows that server side changes can be made by admins. Were these logged ? I suspect not, even if field event timestamps were available, I bet they were not used. Otherwise it would be easy, forensically to have shown unauthorized changes.

This demonstrates a high level of ignorance about IT systems among the public at large and executives of large corporations. I worked as a programmer since the 70's and ended up as IT consultant on database installations at fortune 500 companies. Funnily enough I worked as a contractor at Old Street for several months on a CRMS - not Horizon!! - and at a BT project. Government IT projects were a nightmare. Remote access is necessary for all distributed systems. How that access is carried out, using the right security clearance and a proper audit trail, is a question for both FJ and the PO. It appears to me so far that there were no proper controls. Both FJ and PO are responsible for mismanagement.

Anyone who's done any computer programming would know that,with the best will in the world,there inevitably are bugs that have to be found and ironed out before the program goes live.

If the CPS do not prosecute those people, then it will be because it does not want to, therefore I can imagine any private prosecution being taken over by the CPS, watered down or even dropped all together. But there again I am a cynical old sod.

Remote access means that you could never conclude that the SPMs are stealing with any degree of certainty.

@@brianmckee2267 Well yes, I get that, but a forensic examination of the data should show the origin of the transaction that is inserted as a correction... but then I'm also assuming the system was designed to embed the appropriate data to allow this to be identified as such.

I agree remote access is unlikely to be the source of most discrepancies, unless Fujitsu was deliberately messing up accounts (which seems unlikely). The most likely cause is missing or duplicated transactions because the system didn't receive or process them correctly. There ought to be transaction logs that, with forensic investigation, would reveal those errors. However, it sounds as though the Post Office was unwilling to provide those logs despite the obligation to provide relevant evidence to suspects' defence teams.