Prog Rock: How To Count Odd Meters (Odd Time Signatures)
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5 років томуIn this episode I discuss how to Count and Feel Odd Time Signatures (Odd Meters). #oddmeters #oddtimesignatures #progrock
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@plinimusic 5 років тому
awesome to see this 🙌
@nuajbalpo 5 років тому
Been listening to you for years, this is beyond awesome
@DaveAksteter 5 років тому
I love it when two of my internet heroes encounter one another
@michaelherscheid9709 5 років тому
You are my biggest inspiration
@guitartube5822 5 років тому
I think a Beato interviews Plini for a Sounding Off episode would be awesome to see as well....
@miguelfernandezmillan2829 5 років тому
hey plini, how do you feel this rithm? I feel it like 3 3 3 3 1
@JorgeBCanchola 5 років тому
watching Rick shredding prog metal is one of the best things ever
@avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712 5 років тому
Agree. I love how he is not the typical 'i am only into this kinda music and will only play what i am into' type of guy.
@CooperDrums 5 років тому
It is pretty sick
@merttalay9702 5 років тому
yes ı ve been wating so long for this prog stuff from rick beato
@michaelherscheid9709 5 років тому
Plini shared your video!
@MFKR696 5 років тому
And to think that when I started watching this channel, I thought he only *dabbled* in guitar, since his playing was slow and highly melodic, but I've since become aware that Rick is like a Top Fuel Dragster going out for grocery shopping most of the time lol. He's one of the better guitarists I've heard recently, honestly. He has an eerily spot-on sense for melody that I've not seen outside of performers/writers like Devin Townsend, Hans Zimmer or Jerry Goldsmith.
@justincarrasco3680 5 років тому
Sometimes when I watch you and Adam Neely talk about scales and stuff for 10 hours, I forget that you can both shred like a beast.
@avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712 5 років тому
IKR!?
@kylestyyle987 5 років тому
Makes the shredding easier when you know your scales!
@alex0589 5 років тому
Rick's got more chops than a butcher
@prettyponymonster 4 роки тому
Chops, but ultimately knowledge are the shred-secret. You cant play it if you cant envision it!
@Harrier_DuBois 4 роки тому
Neely doesn't shred, he grooves.
@greatwavefan397 3 роки тому
Well-written odd time signature rhythms are so satisfying.
@JohnBrooking4 2 роки тому
Best odd-metered groove ever, IMO, is the instrumental and solo section of Cinema Show by Genesis. Incredible synth solo in 7/8, arpeggios up and down the keyboard! Then they transition back into 4/4 for the final reprise so seamlessly I didn’t even notice where it happened the first bunch of times I heard it. They do it by starting a repeating pattern in 7, then tweak it slightly to put it into 4, but it’s still basically the same notes, so the time switch is very well disguised.
@UnseeingWorm 5 років тому
Plini is actually just one artist. Of course he plays with a live band but Plini is actually his name. :)
@tingkagol 5 років тому
Just like Intervals is really just Aaron Marshall (well, after he kicked out Anup and co)
@Gendiba1 5 років тому
Like Kevin Parker is tame impala?
@cmr2153 5 років тому
though tbh i think since Simon Grove wrote the Bass parts for the Album (atleast as far as I know) i can't very much think of it without his Bass. You should see them live he play's a lot more lead parts than the recordings make you think. Also the Song Handmade Cities wouldn't be half as good without his Bassline.
@bfish89ryuhayabusa 5 років тому
Sounds like plini of people to me.
@alex0589 5 років тому
and animals as leaders is actually animals
@sonicsaviouryouwillnotgetm6678 5 років тому
they great thing about Pini is, that while his stuff is complicated, I can easily feel the rhythm without mathematically understanding it. He gets the balance between frying your brain and beautiful musicality just right, unlike many others in the Prog genre.
@woundedmonk1884 5 років тому
I saw Plini a few months back and it was amazing. After the show I was chatting with him and he was kind enough to let me noodle on his strandberg (That sounds like a weird euphemism but it was strictly SFW I swear).
@vibefrequencyable 5 років тому
Me too ..saw him with nick Johnston...also a beast.
@lonnyhandwork422 5 років тому
Lol. :-)
@SerjBassist 5 років тому
Isn't Gene Simmons who claimed that over 5000 women have, you know, "noodled on his strandberg"?
@joethefoeyo 5 років тому
He’s a cool dude! He put me and my gf on his guest list because we couldn’t buy tickets due to them selling out.
@dunehaggar772 5 років тому
Lucky
@platonicdescartes 5 років тому
Prog Rock and Prog Metal is are my favorite modern genres of music. Thanks for doing the video.
@boisvert813 2 роки тому
What I really love about this song is that the 13/8 part is simpler and easier to listen to than the 4/4 half time part. Such brilliant songwriting.
@undertheradar5863 5 років тому
PLEASE DO KING CRIMSON IN WHAT MAKES THIS SONG GREAT
@lewsheen7514 5 років тому
Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 2 would be an EPIC WMTSG, but Robert Fripp is a notorious blocker.
@user-sn7uo7ek8x 5 років тому
I'm keening fir this fir about a year but seems Rick doesn't like King Crison
@jan_Travis 5 років тому
I don't see why he couldn't do Larks tounge ii. The official DGM has uploaded a Larks tounge video.
@mvunit3 5 років тому
Unfortunately Fripp and his label "DGM" won't allow it :(.
@DrittAdrAtta 5 років тому
@@lewsheen7514 I wonder if the same applies to the Fripp/Sylvian stuff - there are some great tunes there too.
@nathanaelhahn4795 5 років тому
Well, you successfully got me interested in a genre outside my confort zone!
@gameygameygamer 5 років тому
plini's whole electric sunrise album is absolutely golden, highly suggest checking him out
@RickBeato 5 років тому
Nathanael Hahn excellent!!
@skemsen 5 років тому
Me too!
@gameygameygamer 5 років тому
@Budget Musician oh yeah my bad lol
@JoelinoPT 5 років тому
Welcome. Start listening to Dream Theater ;)
@FranciscoBurrola 5 років тому
Do a "what makes this song great" with a Porcupine Tree song
@rexparker5462 5 років тому
or anything by SW
@rexparker5462 5 років тому
sound of Muzac would be great!!!
@chrispouliot1599 5 років тому
Gavin Harrison is a highly underrated drummer Fucking love me some PT
@movimentodoscacos 5 років тому
or The Mars Volta. Twi of my favorite bands ever!
@FranciscoBurrola 5 років тому
@@movimentodoscacos Yeah, I love The Mars Volta too, imagine him doing "cassandra gemini"
@The12thAvenger 4 роки тому
after watching a lot of rick's videos, I increasingly get the feeling that he has vowed never to talk about Dream Theater XD
@NahreSol 5 років тому
Great! Super helpful and clear video.
@gerardo4104 3 роки тому
Nahre!!!😊✨
@mememem 5 років тому
Just keep on counting in 4/4 no matter what and it will turn back around to it eventually
@Polyhat_ 5 років тому
this is right. even if it happens 6 songs later
@nathanaelhahn4795 5 років тому
That's because any number times four is divisible by four. Count out four measures in 4/4 and you'll be back around.
@conorreedR2C 5 років тому
Oh yeah better believe I'm about to write a tune to prove you wrong
@wea69420 5 років тому
@@conorreedR2C you can't prove math wrong m8
@smolus0512 5 років тому
This wont work if the signatures dont change in some sort of cycle
@RonTheFlyingDutchman 5 років тому
Some songs with 13/8 (or 6/4, 7/4 alternately): Robbery, assault & battery - Genesis (middle part) Velvet green - Jethro Tull Lords of the backstage - Marillion Jacob's ladder - Rush (last part) Turn it on again - Genesis Metropolis pt. 1 - Dream Theater (middle part)
@jdog2224 3 роки тому
Great list! Here are some of my picks (don't ask me the time signatures) Dream Theater: Count of Monte Cristo (beginning) Rush : Cygnus X-1 Radiohead: 15 Step DJ Shadow: The Changeling I also like Pyramid Song by Radiohead because it sounds like an odd time signature but it's really 4/4. The chord changes and phrasing disguise it.
@jdog2224 3 роки тому
oops I meant count of Tuscany, LOL
@JohnBrooking4 2 роки тому
The intro to Jacob’s Ladder is also metrically interesting, though not 13. The instruments start in a slow 11/4 (or alternating 5/4 + 6/4 if you prefer), then the verse begins in 4/4 while the 11/4 pattern continues. Especially amazing to consider that Geddy must be doing both at once!
@leonazg82 2 роки тому
Jethro Tull's Velvet Green is absolute fantastic in terms of rhythm. For the first 30 seconds of intro music meter changes nearly every bar. I always wonder how they rehearsed that part. And then yes - comes the refrain in 13/8.
@NothingMoreButMusic 5 років тому
What i actually hear is a 12/8 + 1/1. So instead of counting 3+3+3 +2+2 i would rather count 3+3+3+3 +1. In my opinion that rythmically makes more sens, as a traditional 12/8 meter basicly just is a 4/4 with triplets each beat. And thats exactly what that tune sounds to me, only with that additional note at the end of each measure (the +1). It doesnt feel like breaking that last triplet to form a +2+2 at the end like rick counts it.
@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 3 роки тому
You mean 1/4, not 1/1. And that wouldn’t work, the goal of transcribing music is to keep things as simple as possible. A whole song of alternating 12/8 & 1/4 measures would be a mess that any professional musician would throw out the window.
@NothingMoreButMusic 3 роки тому
@@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Yeah i got a typo there, but actually it would be +1/8 ;) And i did not talk about writing in alternating measures but only about how it should be counted. The counting traditionally is represented by grouping notes together in a measure. It would still be a 13/8, but grouped 3+3+3+3+1. Thats how it feels, and thats what it should look like to be readable.
@jonathanfostier28 3 роки тому
@@NothingMoreButMusic that’s exactly how I counted too, i can’t count 2+2 at the end it doesn’t fit the triplet style of the rythm I think, it’s just a question of vibe because in the end that’s the same
@jonathanfostier28 3 роки тому
When he is noting the upbeats I think that’s awkward when he says 1/2/3/4/and/1 because the time between 4/and is exactly the same as the time between 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 so I would have said: 1/2/3/4/5_1with a triplet space between five and one, and the exact same space between every other numbers, then because you know there is triplets, you just calculate; 1 bip bip 2 bip bip 3 bip bip 4 bip bip 5 1... and there you have 13\8
@darkswan80 3 роки тому
I totally feel the same 3+3+3+3+1
@thesea4120 5 років тому
I saw plini live honestly amazing musician would recommend to see him live
@tcrane8630 5 років тому
I agree.. I saw him with Nick Johnston and, amazing night of music.
@theHumanBryno 5 років тому
His whole band was terrific, I enjoyed seeing them.
@garycitro1674 5 років тому
Next time Rick will explore how Gentle Giant, African drum circles, etc. do polyrhythms of several odd signatures at once!
@thomasr8185 5 років тому
That would be absolutely lovely
@PauloDandrea00 4 роки тому
i vote for it!
@rocketshiptoaltair 2 роки тому
I'm on board for that!
@FabioSapore 2 роки тому
and maybe folk music from Europe (Bulgaria, Sardinia), often in 5/4!
@aymen2949 Рік тому
Or explore some crazy and very complex indian odd time signatures
@amonst4r 5 років тому
i feel it as ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta or 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1. literally 12/8 + 1 to make 13/8. perfect timing rick, no pun intended; this video clears up some things i've been thinking about lately when songwriting.
@9UaYXxB 5 років тому
Indian percussion is fantastic, good for the spirit , elevating!
@EthanMckennaMusic 5 років тому
That's how I count it too
@mygirlsarobot 5 років тому
It's clearly 3+3+3+3+1. Rick even mentioned that the drum part accents on the 13th beat. It would feel different if it was 3+3+3+4 with accents on 10 and 12 stressing the 4 or 2+2 feel.
@nunocarmona 5 років тому
@@mygirlsarobot Totally agree with both of you
@HardwareG33k 5 років тому
That's what I thought too. Doesn't feel like 2+2 at the end, just an extra eighth so basically 4x3 + 1
@JariSatta 5 років тому
Progressive: 5 people in a band, playing 5 different songs at the same time.
@Waltzhybrid92 5 років тому
Progressive, not regressive. ;)
@maninthecrowd5076 5 років тому
Beware the arctopus summary right there.
@juanborjas6416 5 років тому
That would be Captain Beefhart😂
@vibefrequencyable 5 років тому
You forgot it all comes together!
@alm5966 5 років тому
Rush. 3 guys playing 5 different songs at the same time. Until they split :(
@RC32Smiths01 5 років тому
Ahh this is the in depth content that is always worth coming to! Great work Rick!
@willyevans 5 років тому
Rick...your channel is wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to do all this.
@nothingmuchado 5 років тому
As a kid I read the liner notes on my dad's Dave Brubeck records. Honestly the best source I ever came across on the subject.
@ericmcluen5177 4 роки тому
Just thinking that. Except on one song (Waltz Limp I believe) his hands are in different signatures left 3 and right 4.
@savagemusicman2054 5 років тому
Always appreciate your posts, thank you for helping the music community as much as you have. Love the book too! Read bits and pieces everyday! Prog is awesome. Love changing between time signatures.
@aiyka_music 5 років тому
What makes this song great - porcupine tree please!!!
@kieferonline 5 років тому
Yes! I've been waiting for this video! Thank you, Rick Beato.
@Badjavdzija 5 років тому
This is actually amazing. I was trying to understand the rhythm of the song these days, and here you are doing the same thing, like you knew. I've noticed lots of times people saying the same thing, how you do the lesson of something they were either struggling with, or trying to figure out on their own. Rick, you are doing these people and me lots of favors, thank you for that.
@sergioserramusic 4 роки тому
This is actually very helpful! I am looking forward to the next video about odd time signatures, to me the most difficult thing lies in detecting different time signatures in a song, like The Dance of Eternity, I mean, it's a mess
@davidvashum3572 Рік тому
Yes i totally agreed
@hypnotoads 5 років тому
There is nothing in this video which could, in any way, be described as any less than brilliant. You’re an absolute legend Rick, thanks for sharing your experience with us👍
@jbartyparty7398 5 років тому
This is so cool! Love seeing you tapping like a boss Rick! And thanks for introducing me to this very cool song and band!!
@Joshualbm 3 роки тому
This is such a great way to teach this stuff. To see, hear and feel all that's going on, slowing it down etc. is really digestible. Thanks for all you share!
@BenjaminJohnson 5 років тому
I was literally listening to this song yesterday and thinking... How do I count this? I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how to count songs like this... Awesome!
@StratMatt777 5 років тому
Wow! I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how he reads your mind.
@chrispouliot1599 5 років тому
StratMatt777 Fucking lol Rick “the musical mentalist” Beato
@charlespurvis2803 5 років тому
Benjamin Johnson--you must use this awesome and mighty power for good.
@willelrics9027 5 років тому
The difference between This Example and say RUSH and TOOL is that RUSH and TOOL can appeal to a Mainstream Rock Audience with most people never noticing the Odd Meter.
@hansikursch484 5 років тому
willelrics It's the quality and economy of songwriting that sets those apart from the rest. While others force those numbers, tool and rush just do a better job of managing the rhythm without losing sight of the melodies.
@willelrics9027 5 років тому
@@hansikursch484 I agree totally.
@kristevesadowski4586 5 років тому
I agree. That's the trick. The best example is Turn It On Again by Genesis. Very poppy song and catchy but you'd never know it was in 13/8. That's good songwriting.
@davep8221 5 років тому
@@hansikursch484 IMO, Yes were the masters of that. They were also the best at always sounding like Yes, but never sounding the same.
@evanmauch438 4 роки тому
Yeah a lot of people never actually dive into the complexity, but once you do it’s a whole new universe
@BlackenedNL 5 років тому
Absolutely LOVING this channel!
@thomasschreiner6356 5 років тому
Rick, you are incredible! You amaze me every time I watch your videos. Each and every one of them. Keep going.
@Me-tuber 5 років тому
Hello Rick! Proud of your decision to share so much so free! Thanks again!
@TruthSurge 5 років тому
this was very entertaining. heheheh PUT THE FRIKKIN PHONE DOWN! Never heard of CLA till today. Seems like a great guy who's been there, done that and knows his stuff.
@VioletRosesmith 5 років тому
It really doesn't get said enough how great you are at Guitar Rick. Your technical awareness while playing is something else!
@jackharding3583 5 років тому
Hey Rick! Absolutely love this video! I wish I could go back in time and show my younger self this video. Sub-divisions were the key to a world of new time signatures, rhythms and feels. I instantly subscribed and have sent this video to friends who have asked me for help in working out odd time. Thank you for such an awesome learning resource. (Plus any mention of Plini deserves praise! ;) )
@priyonjoni 5 років тому
Whoever design your thumbnail is great. It looks cinematic.
@RickBeato 5 років тому
Pri yon Joni I did :)
@Hassan_Omer 5 років тому
@@RickBeato I also noticed that as soon as i played the video. Very Cool!
@christoph.schneider 5 років тому
Make a meme out of it pls!
@elforeigner3260 4 роки тому
Bill Bruford is one of my favorite odd time signature drummers
@richardhanly4446 5 років тому
Hi Rick, I love everything you do. I bought your beato book about a year ago and am working my way through that. Along with all the fantastic UKposts videos you post I am spoiled by your expertise and your sheer love of music. Keep up the good work mate!
@Kevonehits 5 років тому
Love this! Great way of understanding odd time signatures! Great track to help wrap people's head around different time feels!
@calebknott8021 5 років тому
Karnivool is definitely one of my favorite progressive bands! Would love to hear you break down one of their tunes like Goliath or Deadman on WMTSG. Also, absolutely love Plini!! Troy Wright kills it on those drums, they sound so good.
@spikesparks4615 5 років тому
Busted out the tap shred 😮
@RedDeadFaction 5 років тому
Looking forward to the future episodes. Thanks Rick!
@sonatedaquiTFM 5 років тому
always wanted this specific video done by someone and glad it was you and about my favourite guitarist, super useful
@lanechange2795 5 років тому
Check out Frank Zappa's "Keep it Greasy" in 19/16. Vinnie Colaiuta tears it up with some amazing subdivisions, then FZ plays a rhythm pattern in 3/16 over 19/16 meter. Incredible musicianship.
@9UaYXxB 5 років тому
Trust Frank , trust Vinnie … a great mention !
@davedecker1725 5 років тому
Ohhh no here comes that crazy scuhreeemin sowend again!😲😲😲😲
@LoyalOpposition 3 роки тому
Sounds like a very basic funk beat.
@paulsimmons5726 5 років тому
I'm 57 now and learned to play bass by listening to Yes... After learning most of their first live triple LP, I could play crazy time signatures with no problems. The insanity that Rush dished out a few years later was like a comfortable old Tshirt, YYZ made perfect sense. The really hard, close to impossible, thing for me back then was playing stuff like Lucille by Kenny Rogers. LOL! Heart of the Sunrise, Close to the Edge - easy! Top-40 root/5th parts - pass the Excedrin... It all comes down to what you hear in your head. Crazy is never crazy if you understand it...
@Symphonicrockfran 5 років тому
When you are brought up listening to Prog or Jazz, nothing scares you.
@CuriousKitchen 5 років тому
Always such a pleasure watching your videos. Learn so much every time. Thank you.
@BenvanGeest 5 років тому
I love your channel, Rick and it gave me goosebumps seeing you show your support to so many bands and genres! Plini is awesome as well as all the other progressive bands you mentioned. I grew up listening to bands like Rush, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant and later this developed into bands that brought the metal element into progressive music, like Dream Theater, Tool and Meshuggah. Your wisdom in music theory and music in general is blowing my mind. Keep doing what you do, mate. I'm a BIG fan of your channel. Cheers!
@TorTheWeirdo 5 років тому
When I heard “subdivide” it brought back so many memories of wind ensemble in high school. I sucked when it came to rhythms. Too much math 😹🤦🏾♀️
@PauloPechula 4 роки тому
I'd love to see an analysis of yours about "The Dance of Eternity" in this matter of odd times. That song seems to be a nightmare :) I'm not a musician, but I really love those technical analysis of yours. Keep up the good work
@DanielVerberne 4 роки тому
Paulo, you beat me to it! I also love Dance of Eternity!
@nurimanemir6633 4 роки тому
yes 😂
@ENTP247 2 роки тому
Yah sure. Its only 108 time signatures. No worries 😉
@jimtownsend3910 2 роки тому
What’s funny about dance is it’s oddly wayyy easier to follow than many DT songs since 2010. It’s mapped out in a way that’s never very hard to follow. I don’t say that like I’m some badass. Some newer DT stuff is insane in comparison. The middle section of pale blue dot is dramatically more difficult than dance as a total song.
@philipmumford7871 5 років тому
Rick its such a pleasure to watch your videos and learn from you!
@addyz0r 5 років тому
I love this type of content. It's like having the mentor I never found. Keep up being a teacher of the Internet. You have taught me so much. ❤
@elektromanyaro 5 років тому
This was immensely helpful! Listening to Meshuggah and Dream Theater I can tell things are going awry tempo-wise, but I've never been able to quite put my finger on it. Now, I might just be able to!
@chrispouliot1599 5 років тому
elektromanyaro Meshuggah has mentioned countless times that they are mostly playing to 4/4 Or should they have said “around 4/4”? Their knowledge and comprehension of rhythm is just fucking insane
@michaelherscheid9709 5 років тому
Plini shared this video!
@kareemhassan5664 5 років тому
Your videos are brilliant. Very simple to understand, even for people who haven't studied music like me. Love your stuff, excited to see more content
@gocars3210 5 років тому
Rick, this is why I love your channel. I had Plini pulled up on Apple Music before your vid was even over. Keep up the great work
@ericpayne9091 5 років тому
I like how odd meters are all just however you naturally feel it. Rather than 3+3+3+2+2 or 4 at the end, after the first couple rounds of that riff I was going to 3+3+3+3+1. Keeping all the accents as downbeats, even the tag of two sixteenths at the end of the line, just felt most natural to me for whatever reason
@JohnSmith-oe5kx 5 років тому
Because you are right and Rick is wrong!
@GeoffBosco 5 років тому
Needs more Gentle Giant love.
@chippchipp1 5 років тому
Therrre coming over charaton briiiidge! Loook, do you see the man who is poor, but rich?
@lewsheen7514 5 років тому
Free Hand... On Reflection... The MASTERS!
@hellofromdavid 5 років тому
How can I speak when I'm dry and my throat is burning ...
@matheusmoreiradearaujo3267 5 років тому
A What makes this song great analysing Playing The Game would be my dream
@genuinefreewilly5706 5 років тому
absolutely!
@sanderlugtigheid 5 років тому
Great explanation and break down of this killer song!! Thanx Rick, looking forward to your next topic!
@dirkcampbell5847 2 роки тому
Correct analysis. What's amazing is how he got that guitar riff happening. Impressive.
@LeathanL 5 років тому
Forget progressive rock. Try soloing over Brubeck's "Take Five". You'll feel it.
@ChrisSheridan295 5 років тому
You will feel it but you'll be feeling a very common 5/4 clave which is great as an anchor at the start but it can hold you back when trying to play different groupings of 5. I agree it's a good start point though
@negromister 5 років тому
Hip Rick Beato is hip.
@aaronsalvesen4553 3 роки тому
Rick! You are an amazing human being!!! You are doing what most of us musicians wish we could do(wishicians)!!! You have been a blessing to my musical reincarnation! I am so overwhelmed by your ability to nail and break down the music that we all want to play! Thank you for all the work you do! All the positive energy in the world to you my friend!
@mattvanyguitar 5 років тому
Excellent as usual! Thanks for all you do! This is so helpful.
@rfpeace 5 років тому
my head hurts now, thanks Rick! :)
@wooliegeek 5 років тому
Rush’s Jacob’s Ladder is a bear to count and play. 5/4 6/4 5/4 6/4 every bar
@craigmurphy1204 3 роки тому
Same with Losing It, off their Signals album.
@NelsonParraBastias 2 роки тому
@@andyharman3022 What part of the song is in 21/4 ?
@JohnBrooking4 2 роки тому
Then Geddy starts singing in 4/4 at the same time!!
@JohnBrooking4 2 роки тому
@@craigmurphy1204 That’s actually pretty easy to count, it’s just 5/4 am the way through. But it gets my vote for the saddest song in 5/4 ever. 😢
@wooliegeek 2 роки тому
@@JohnBrooking4 omg that makes it so hard to play. Messing me up big time
@ranieriwm 2 роки тому
Beautifully explained and demonstrated! Thank you.
@DepressingHappyMusic 5 років тому
You're an incredible teacher. Thank you so much!
@brentonchattin 5 років тому
One of my favourites is Cotopaxi by The Mars Volta, that track confuses the hell out of me when I try and count to it. I’ll try again after watching this!
@KL3NCH 5 років тому
In fact pretty much anything by Omar, Cedric and rotating entourage. A serious omission in the "What Makes This Song Great" series there Rick, I've seen enough to realise you could do it...
@chippchipp1 5 років тому
There's another confusing riff (played by the bass) in "Cygnus...Vismund Cygus" at around 5 minutes in. I could be wrong, but "Cotopaxi" sounds like 11/4 to me.
@darlantro 5 років тому
@@chippchipp1 The high-hat helps with the time signature for 'Cygnus...', it's a loop of 5/4, 6/4, 4/4, repeated. Or you can say 15/4, but that's not so helpful. So you can count 1,2,3,4,5, 1,2,3,4,5,6, 1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,... This is one of my favorite songs to drum with, there is so much room for fills!
@chippchipp1 5 років тому
@@darlantro sweet! If you like that type of groove, check out the last few minutes of "Starless" by King Crimson (the album version). Bill Bruford is a monster.
@KL3NCH 5 років тому
@@darlantro What about the missing beats / rests between those groupings? They are there if you listen. Surely they have to be accounted for otherwise there's no direction as to when each group starts within the framework of the song? Here you start to get into what makes something fall within any individual's definition (time signature) and at least as far as t'interweb goes, it starts to get messy because folk start to argue points from different starting points- often both correct.
@flyingsteaks 5 років тому
Hey Rick, I actually think 3+3+3+2+2 doesn't really make sense, I mean, as you said, when you feel it, it's more like 3+3+3+3+1, and that matches the tapping lick, as it is groups of 6 notes and the 2 note grouping at the end
@RickBeato 5 років тому
That’s the way I clap it. It is the most natural but you can count it a couple of ways
@david57strat 5 років тому
What a killer song, and superb breakdown of it! Thanks, Ric. Excellent, beautifully laid-out content, as always :-)
@simonpaulengland7833 5 років тому
ace as ever Rick.......always a pleasure to listen to your wisdom..........!
@BeatlesFan738 5 років тому
Next try to count Dance of Eternity, Lol.
@TheSquareOnes 5 років тому
I know its a meme but can't keep myself from pointing out that the song isn't actually that complex, it changes meter a lot but most of the time signatures are very simple like 7/8 and 9/8 and the actual number of time changes is inflated by there being several riffs that just switch back and forth between two simple meters rapidly. So if they do something like 5/8+3/4+5/8+3/4 they're counting that as five time signature changes in the total count even though it's only two meters which are quite easy to understand and that could just as easily have been written as staying in 11/8. It doesn't make the song any less cool but it does make the "bajillions of time signature changes!" (I forget the actual number they say, it's like 100 something) tag a bit disingenuous. You could probably find plenty of prog metal songs with much fewer meter changes that are still much more difficult to follow due to using a smaller number of more complex time signatures that don't repeat themselves as often.
@chrispouliot1599 5 років тому
Laugh all you want but some black dude actually did Whilst beat boxing and showing papers with time sigs written on them as they changed accordingly I was kinda amazed and flabbergasted at the same time
@BeatlesFan738 5 років тому
Chris Pouliot yeah! lol I saw that video too
@johnnycockatoo1003 5 років тому
have you got the name of the video ?
@NeelDhar 5 років тому
@@TheSquareOnes I agree with you. Lot of people seem to think all the changes were necessary, whereas I do not think so.
@megadethmofo2035 4 роки тому
Rick, please explain the new Tool song, Pneuma....I can't wrap my head around it.
@xxxtentioncable6813 3 роки тому
2 bars of 7/4 and a bar of 5/8, with a LOT of syncopation
@loganbarclay5075 5 років тому
Electric Sunrise is one of my favourite songs. I'm really glad you decided to break it down for us, Rick
@markslist1542 3 роки тому
Rick, your videos are great. They cheer me up too.
@iloveheavymetalmetalrules6829 4 роки тому
Do a what makes this song so great dream theater the dance of eternity
@quatquatbebop1215 4 роки тому
Shoulda done a King Gizzard song smh
@esposoman 5 років тому
One of my favourite channels. Greetings from Spain
@chrisbasich6234 5 років тому
So much joy - love it Rick!
@user-vd8et2ow3d 5 років тому
I don't count the entire number, i slice it into different parts, that's my way to "feel it"
@PlayAcousticDrums 5 років тому
Been playing drums for 40+ years, live, bands, sessions etc, can't read a note and counting screws me up. Most of the original material we are writing is in odd meters, or at least that's what the composer tells me. I cant for the life of me figure how you people count and play at the same time. I hear it and play it...the whole counting thing...baffles me.
@danbardos3498 5 років тому
Same dude. I can count along for a minute... but it's way easier just to feel it. It's hard to explain.
@calenlas99 5 років тому
Not everyone counts in their head the same way. Some folks count by seeing the numbers in their mind and hence are free to speak, read, play an instrument, etc. I count by saying the numbers in my head, therefore, I'm unable to count while speaking, reading, or playing guitar as my guitar playing long ago co-opted my language pathways so that I effectively "sing" my guitar. (This also means I can't speak & play, though I can sing & play. Weird.) Everyone's different, but often we don't realize that a simple thing like counting can mean radically different things to different people.
@danbardos3498 5 років тому
@@calenlas99 Yeah, that actually makes sense.
@chrispouliot1599 5 років тому
Hey dude! If that can somehow make you feel better, i read that Morgan Ågren strictly plays out of “natural feel” Do i have to mention his whole body of work throughout the years? Dude been playing forever and grinding hard as fuck
@SerjBassist 5 років тому
I also don't count when I play. But when it's time to learn a part and know exactly what's going on, counting and subdividing is very useful to place yourself, specially when it's something complex. After I learnt it, then I play based on feel and muscle memory.
@davidhoxit4274 5 років тому
Thanks Rick! I have no formal training but after watching your videos...I always feel a little smarter!
@adam872 5 років тому
This puts joy in my heart for a number of reasons: firstly, odd time, secondly Plini (who is an absolute beast who writes beautiful music) and last but not least, Rick shredding on the geetar. Great video!
@mikeburstein7755 5 років тому
Learn the intro from CHANGES by YES if you want a challange. 7/8, 10/8
@michaelzahnwehgitarre8957 5 років тому
I would count that as 4+3 and 4+3+3
@kristevesadowski4586 5 років тому
Just learned that tune on keys. It's a lot of fun. I'm onto transcribing "In the Cage" by Genesis off the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
@Symphonicrockfran 5 років тому
The Intro from Firth of Fifth by Genesis... Amazing
@bfish89ryuhayabusa 5 років тому
Honestly, feel comes first. I think it's backwards to map a feel on to a time signature. The time signature is mapped on to the feeling. Listen to Bert Jansch's version of "Blackwater Side", for instance.
@bas1sokkie604 5 років тому
I love how you always airplay over the music. Cool channel, keep it up.
@jimm2099 5 років тому
Thanks so much, I've been waiting for this subject for quite a while.
@nickcds3419 5 років тому
Am I the only one more confused now?
@heytoast7129 4 роки тому
I never thought simple arithmetic could be so confusing.
@matthewwood9266 4 роки тому
Nick Croce I was for like a month and then came back and it makes a bit more sense now lol
@heytoast7129 4 роки тому
@Sudo Sudo Hey, thanks for breaking it down like that. Haha, still a little confused, but it starting to make more sense now to me. Cheers.
@chimaera01 4 роки тому
Why does he count to three? Where he stops the count and starts again seems totally subjective. He doesn't explain what is 4/4. He starts this video on the assumption we know.
@saikeshi 4 роки тому
@Sudo Sudo cheers dude that cleared up my confusions too.
@DanielVerberne 4 роки тому
Would have loved to see Rick feature “The Dance of Eternity” by Dream Theater...
@nurimanemir6633 4 роки тому
yes please 😂
@insomniumanathema6696 3 роки тому
But he doesnt like Dream Theater, lol
@willemsgrahpics 3 роки тому
There's hundreds of other people that cover the same topics but if Mr Beato has a video on my searched topic, I know I don't need to look anywhere else.
@MrGuitarist9891 5 років тому
You always deliver great videos. Thank you for what you do.
@claude3957 5 років тому
OMG PLINI, OMG YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED PLINI
@megustaloquendo57 5 років тому
Why don't you talk about post-rock? It would be nice
@FranciscoBurrola 5 років тому
Yes please
@3ou1man 5 років тому
Honest question, what is post rock?
@Waltzhybrid92 5 років тому
After rock...but less rock and more overuse of effects pedals and less playing of instruments but still rock instrumentation?
@megustaloquendo57 5 років тому
Well, you are right Daniel. There are a lot of post-rock bands that are that way; but there are other bands that have a great instrumentation just like Toe.
@justanoptimist303 5 років тому
@@3ou1man Post-rock as a term was codified by the critic Simon Reynolds, who wrote in an article in Melody Maker in the 90's that the loose definition of post-rock was "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords." It's a really interesting genre, with a wide range of approaches to it, lots of the early post-rock bands were taking influence from lots of different places, like krautrock, jazz, dub reggae, prog rock, post punk etc. For me, the early bands and albums that got lumped into the nascent genre are the most interesting, as that was before the mid-2000's when post-rock basically got diluted into lots of bands mimicking Explosions In The Sky by just writing long songs with crescendos (I know lots of people like that, but it isn't for me). Some post-rock bands and albums worth listening to, and I'll provide short descriptions, include... Slint - Spiderland (angular guitars, spoken word vocals, great drumming) Bark Psychosis - Hex (trance-like, groovy with ambient stuff too) Talk Talk - Laughing Stock (atmospheric, beautiful) Mogwai - Young Team (one of the best "crescendo" bands that the mid-2000's bands took influence from, masters of dynamics, some brilliant guitar work) Sonora Pine - II (intricate guitar, violin and organ work) Do Make Say Think - & Yet & Yet (jazzy)
@iangottmusic 4 роки тому
Mind blown! I don’t read music at all, but now that I’m older and love producing music not just recording it, I’m much more open to wanting to understand music more classically. Crazy that I knew I could write songs in odd time signatures even though I didn’t even understand them. It’s like grooving out in little chunks... thanks Rick, I always find your videos entertaining and nostalgic, but this was a great lesson!
@okota74 5 років тому
tks. @Rick Beato for sharing this
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