15:07 - 6500 XT is what I meant.

Imagine the silicon and other metals/materials going through hundreds of millions of years of erosion and decomposition and changes in chemical composition only to turn into a 6500XT

$190 card that struggles to do 30FPS in most games, but for $30 more you can get 2-3x the performance... what a joke... this should cost no more than $89-119

It was mind blowing how 2 years prior, AMD was practically giving away RX580s for USD$180 / AUD $300 just before people lost their minds with crypto and human malware. It was such a bizarre time period.

I wish you included the ancient rx580 too I would show how bad 6500 is

The RX 6500 XT was a junk budget "gaming" laptop GPU mounted to a PCIe card. I do support the concept of building laptop parts that can be repurposed for desktop systems in the case of oversupply, but the price needs to match the product.

the fact the 5500xt is way faster says it all.

The 6600 is barely more expensive but you get like twice the performance

Any chance of one final RX 480/580 vs GTX 1060? Just for the sake of nostalgia

The 6600 is truly the best budget gpu of the "post covid" gpu era. You can comfortably play med settings 1080p with AAA titles.

Love these revisits thanks!

A funny little story about the 6500xt for everyone....... My old comptuer slowly gave out on me... first the video card went and then I was gaming on it with just the cpu, barely able to play a game like world on tanks on the lowest setting with a playable (20-30) fps (10-20 zoomed in for shooting) and playing other games like League of Legends. EU4 and mostly just using my ps4. The power button stopped working, the only way to start it was by pushing down on the mobo and shorting it out (I know terrible but I didn't care anymore) and the mobo was down to 1 sata port etc. So I finally got in a spot in life where I could afford to build a new pc.... so I bought a b550 mobo, a 5600x, a cheap 256gb ssd(for now), used my old 750gb HDD, an upgraded cpu cooler, the scary 750w ARESGAME psu that GamerNexus did a video on about not putting in your pc (It was 50$ lmao) etc etc and I put it all together...... and I decided I would wait to buy a video card after I saved up some money (this is still mid cyrpto mining where every gpu was still 50-100% more expensive) So I put it all together and..... nothing. no image and I'm wondering... well did I screw up something putting it together? It's turning on why is there no bios/windows showing up? Well it turns out that because on my old PC that had an APU I assumed that all computers/CPU's worked without a dedicated graphics card..... I had no Idea that I should have bought a 5600g instead of the 5600x if I wanted the computer to work without a GPU...... so I was super upset and decided that I needed a video card much sooner then I thought.... So I borrowed 300$ from a family member and went out and bought a brand new GPU that just came out that same week.... the 6500xt (4gb ofc) and that sucker got to my house from newegg in like 5 days..... I opened it up and I couldn't believe how small it was but I put it in and.... the computer worked just fine now that it had a GPU inside of it. So I installed some games that I wanted to play like total war and then I Installed Squad... and Squad was running on high at like 30fps and I was so happy and excited because It was such a long time before I could game something like SQUAD on a PC and It was my favorite FPS of all time.... Going from an APU playing WoT at like 10-30 fps the fact I had squad running.... and I would brag to my roommate "Hey look I'm playing squad on high settings!" lmao..... 30-40 fps felt buttery smooth to me after playing nothing on PC for years and years....... Then I started to see the reviews on the card and I couldn't believe how much bad reception it was getting because going from not being able to play a demanding game like Squad to being able to play it for the first time in about 5-6 years was so much fun. Eventually I sold it for like 50$ less then I paid for it and bought myself a 3080 12GB and now I understand why the 6500xt4GB was such a let down of a card for 2022. But for a month or two.... that 6500xt.... that most people wouldn't think twice about.... was the best thing that happened to me for PC gaming in half a decade..... and you would be surprised how going from nothing to "playable" can make somebodies day...... The guy who bought the 6500xt from me was happy to buy it too... He was also getting a GPU just to play the spiderman game that came out on pc in 2022... he asked me if it could play the game and I looked up some reviews and said.... yea it could play it on high. (which it could get around 50 fps on high on that game) So that one card was an entry level GPU for two people in the same year that basically sole purpose was to allow us to go from "no pc and unplayable" to "pc and playable" Probably the best you are going to hear about that card and I would assume most people who bought it would have a similar kind of story? Because nobody is going from a 1080ti or even a 2060 to a 6500xt. Fun fact. The 6500xt is on par with the TItan Black performance wise which came out in 2014..... xD It's also slightly worse then a 1060 3GB........ but for me.... It was glorious!

Bought a brand new 6600 back in 2022 for around $220 based on your recommendation back then. To this day I'm very satisfied with the performance, it serves me well on every game I play. Also, the power consumption is second to none in this price point. Thank you so much!

I genuinely do feel bad for those who didnt know better and got roped into one of these things. I had several friends of mine who were considering getting this piece of ewaste and im so glad i could stop them.

To quote James Rolfe "What the fuck where they thinking!?"

Thanks for the hard work please 🙏 Helping manufacturers come back to their senses!

I'm really curious, let's see if the 3050 6GB manages to do worse

Would be interesting to compare it to the upcoming Ryzen 7000G Desktop APUs

I love a good ol' "told you so". There were a lot of reviewers trying to defend the product at the time, madness really.

great test and great base numbers for the future - when 8000G APUs will arrive to your test bench - Would love to see you comparing to this exact base / settings ! 👍 PS: would be nice if you would add also the OG popular stuff then - 1060/6, 470/570 as 4GB, maybe RX 580 the OG or now Chinese 2048SP 8GB version... - you know what I mean, the classic cheap stuff ppl are still using.

would be nicer if an rx580 is in the charts. I know it is around half the performance of the 6600, close to the 6500xt. however, rx580 can be had for around $70 with larger VRAM for better textures.

Really wasn't expecting that hard of a performance hit in some titles for going to pcie3. I figured as long as as the game uses under 4gb it be fine? But maybe those games even at the lowest settings use over 4gb, like Remnant 2.

Only thing I'd change was the release date was 1/19/22, so 2 yrs ago, not 1.5. Not troll, love your channel!

any plans on reviewing arc a380 this year?

Looks like the Intel ARC a580 still needs a few performance updates in drivers on a couple of those games tested.

Imagine if Hardware Unboxed can eventually review single-slot Radeon Pro W7500 workstation graphics card now that RX 6500 XT is a huge insult to entry-level PC gamers.

I love this "revisit" content, this help makes me appreciate what you currently have.

Is the 132watts for the RX6600 total board power? My Sapphire Pulse Lite Edition is locked a 100watts on the gpu and I have to use Afterburner to rise the cap to 120watt, it really does scale up with that added 20watts. Also, I missed the fact that Intel Arc A580 was tested in PCIe 3, Rebar will work on AM4 x470 chipset in PCIe 3 for my RTX 3070, Rebar should still be there for Intel Arc even when running in PCIe 3.0.

i think the 6500xt should have been called the 6300xt. the pcie 3.0 must really affect the arc series as well. ive seen in other benchmarks that the a580 was within about 4-5fps on average of the 6600, but here it gets a spanking with pcie 3.0. intel also needs to have drivers for games when they are released. the allen wake 2 performance is not helping them out and makes it hard to even consider them.

I waited, and now own a new XFX 6600 for $299 Aus, love this card and hopefully it will serve me for a few years. Looking at Aus retailers and the 6500XT has all but disappeared, those that still have it, have it priced stupidly.

2:12 Wow that is a tiny die! Usually I'd say size doesnt really matter, its what you do with it. Eventually though, its just too small to do the job.

You know it's rough when the 4060 is better value. Impressive performance from the 6600 though. The only sub 60 FPS games were Starfield and Alan Wake 2 and if you really wanted to experience those games now instead of later, you could at least still get them to a playable framerate with this.

2:26 If we looking at AMD website, RX 6500 XT have 8GB VRAM variant and it did in Sapphire Pulse product, and this supposed to be an option from very beginning, I guess because adding 4GB more back then during cryptoboom will make it hardly cheaper than RX 570 4GB.

Wish you could get a PowerColor Fighter AMD Radeon 6500 XT 8GB version to test for improvements, if any. Minimumweight of buy new cards for sub £150. Still go for the RX6500XT over the 1030, 1630, 1650 Intel Arc A380 in that Minimumweight, just a smidge better than a display output.

@8:41 The results in RE4 seem kinda strange to me. Did you mistakingly change the bars for the 7600, 6600 and the 4060? There is no way the 6600 could faster than both of them

Would love to see the 2 CUs on any of the 7000 series CPUs vs the RX6500

Don't remind me, I had to buy it for my mom (since her R9 390 died) when crypto messed up market because it was only affordable card at time... still feel bad about it.. the only positive is for her it's working fine... and I sold dead R9 390 for ~2/3 price of new 6500 XT.

Was cheaper than the 1050ti at time of launch...which just goes to shows how bad the GPU market was at that time...Sold all my GPUs for a profit and gamed on a 5700G APU until crypto mining inevitably died.

do these settings include stuff like fsr?

Ahh the new year slap down I needed to get back to work with

I wish you compared this one to the steam deck. Would have been interesting how it compares to a handheld released just a few months later

Gotta love that longevity. Cough. I'm still rocking my 1070Ti which has been an amazing 1080p card and very long lived!

In Amazon "Gaming PCs," you'll often find a Geforce GT 710 or a GT 730. It's a display driver at best. The RX 6500 XT feels like exactly such a GPU but at a premium price tag. Lord heavens above.

Thanks for the retest! I wonder what would have happened if amd had a 8GB version. It might not change much tho but if the card runs out of vram the pci-e bus gets extra load. I still think this chip was never intended to sell as a discrete card. But as a second card next to a APU that would handle the video en/decode

My latest system is just using amd rx 580 8gb that has been through multiple owners. Plays World of Warcraft just fine, along with most other games I care to play. I'd upgrade if there was something that made sense to upgrade to for the games I play, but there just isn't.

The results in RE4 seem kinda strange to me. Did you mistakingly change the bars for the 7600, 6600 and the 4060? There is no way the 6600 could faster than both of them.

16:24 does the rx 6600 support AV1 encoding? I thought this was a feature exclusive to the RDNA3 lineup

There's an error with the time stamps, the section after the sponsor spot is missing

The crux is the 5500xt 8GB was a $199 card when it launched, The 6500xt was effectively meant to be a GT1030 style "display adaptor" at £99 ($109) buuut because of covid they launched it at $199 to match everything else at that time. Except it was available while everything else was out fos tock or scalped at 3x the price. (though in the uk we did see them quickly drop to £99 B-grade and £130 new pretty much instantly even though nvidia had literally nothing else on the market with the awful rtx3050 starting at £300+). Currently at £127 the clsoest rival is a gtx1630 which is about half a gtx1650 in the charts (or a 2GB gt1030 is cheaper).

It's strange how RX 6600 was better than RTX 4060 and RX 7600 in Resident Evil 4. Were those two cards limited by the PCIe 3.0?

A great example of how the diminishing returns region exists at both extremes of the price spectrum.

I remember back in 2015 when the GTX 960 came out for $199 MSRP and it was a very good 1080p card that would run games at 1080p High or ultra settings at 60fps, even a couple years later on it still ran games at 1080p medium but still 60fps, what a shame now days that anything around $200 is garbage even at launch, I remember buying a GT 640 for $90 in 2012 and ran all the new games at 900p medium settings but it was only $90 new!

This thing should cost $120. Tops.

I mean, if I were to buy it, it would be for old games at best and so that system without GPU on CPU could work. Certainly not for AAA games. And for reference in October 2022, I did buy RX 6700 10GB (I felt I needed a bit more than 8 GB, since I already have RX 580 8GB).

At the worst time, my friend lost his video card to the New World killer bug. He needed a video card but the only things lower than $600 (well above any budget he had...) were the GT 710 and RX 6500XT. That's still a hard choice, but he had to get the 6500 until he could save up.

I got "lucky." I got a 5500XT 8GN in early 2021 for $210. I was at MicroCenter getting a 5900x that was on sale. This card was an open box return. I had almost everyone in line asking me where I had gotten it. It had been out for under 5 minutes when I saw it.

I bought 6500xt for 17800 rs and it plays any game at 1080p.

It would have been an okay card with 8gb of vram. But because of crypto i understand why they went with 4gb at the time.

Steve, this vid made me curious. The 900 series is getting to be 10 years old this year, and has the longest driver support I knew, with it still being supported. Could you maybe add those too in this test? I especially want to see the 970.

Does not surprise me at all. I am getting the similar numbers in my testing. The nice thing is that I have the 8GB Sapphire Pulse version and its original counterpart. Believe it or not that 8GB does make a difference.

AMD literally robbed people with that GPU 💀

when you test Presets do you keep upscaling enabled or do you set the resolution to native 1080p in the case of this video?

I bought an Open Box 6500 XT for $118 in June 2023 for use in a PCIe 4.0 system. I'm happy with it.

I would like to see the 6700xt in 1440p since EVERYONE tooted it as the best bang for buck 1440p GPU for a LONG time.

The RX 6500 XT is actually my current GPU purchased new for $125 USD/$190 AUD about a year ago now. The 4GB of VRAM is very limiting not gonna lie. Going to be building a new PC soon with the RX 7800 XT.

Thank you for including an Arc card in the charts.

Thanks Steve

Hi all, thanks always for your video HU! I have a question, since 2019 I've swapped GPU (now I have a 6600, before a RX 570) and recently CPU (now I have a 5700X, before a 3600). My system is always based on a MSI B450, should I upgrade to a B550 to see some improvements, in terms of PCIE? Or not? Thanks in advance

What is truly sad is this thing (with only 4GB) could never mine, so those prices around launch were purely distribution/retailer price gouging due to nothing better on shelves.

Can i ask why you tested Counter Strike 2 at medium settings? I think it makes more sense to benchmark it at competitive settings aka lowest settings but textures at highest possible.

I picked one up for $95 open box from Microcenter this week because I was rocking a "RX 560 XT 8GB" before and it was just ...dumping all over everything. Was still a huge upgrade in stability and functionality, but I'm only playing digital CCGs and World of Warcraft so it's fine. Sometimes running WoW in 1440p and alt-tabbing freezes the game for a couple seconds, then it comes back. I still can't switch it over to DirectX 12 mode. Other than that though, not bad for the price at all. Nvidia has no competing product in that price category and I know I won't be playing Alex Jones 2 on this thing

I have one of this and bought it back then for ~300$. I need it only as graphics adapter and to use as little as possible pci-e lanes for workstation (mainly software building compilation and sometimes simulations, cpu heavy workloads) with 5950x, which do not have iGPU. It gets the jobs done but I wouldn't recommend it to anybody with different usecase and now for such usecase as mine, 6400 is better.

How about a more deeply video about Immortals of Aveum? It's the only game, until now, that uses all the new UE5 features and is really demanding because of that... I know Digital Foundry already explored this topic, but it deserves the HuB treatment imo, with a "best settings guide" of course ;)

Is ReBar or Smart Access Memory turned on in all of your tests with all cards?

I really struggle to find a suitable use case for this GPU. - low-q gaming? Better get a used GPU from previous generations - office PC? Not a low-power model, has extra fans - SFF PC? Not a low-profile model - secondary GPU for virtualization where primary GPU is to be virtualized? Too big, requires external power, better get a 1030 or RX6400 - GPU for on-the-fly video transcoding or streaming? No HW encoding capabilities - GPU for rackmount platforms? Not a low-profile model, not passive-cooled - GPU for mediacenter? Limited HW decoding, not small, requires external power So IMO it is not a question of "what is the adequate price for 6500?", it is "what is the use for it?". It is an absolutely pointless GPU, it's useless if it costs $50, let alone $150. In many regards RX6400 is better and more useful than this.

So bad you gotta wonder "What are we doing here reviewing this?" Good on you for sticking out the pain of it all.

Can you consider adding a weighed average fps chart - where you divide each fps in a chart by the max fps (achieved by the best result). That Results in a value between 0 and 1 for each gpu. That way, for example, adding an older game in your benchmark that runs at 500 fps doesn’t completely skew your average of earlier games that ran closer to the 0-100 fps regime. Otherwise, you are weighing older games that are more performant higher weight in the results instead of equally

I have a sapphire radeon rx 6500 xt to use as an egpu at 1080p with a pcie 3.0 laptop. Performance in older games is more than good enough, modern games like borderlands 3 at 1080p low settings is also easily playable.

On what PC build was it tested on? I'm preety sure CPU, storage type (HDD, SATA, M2, NVMe) and speed and also RAM could affect this

Was ReBar enabled for the A580?

So it performs similar on the 780M from 7840U/Z1E. Also iirc there's powercolor variant that sells 6500XT for only $110-120 but still I rather get the pre-owned 5500XT or 1660S instead lol.

I am not sure if this will even have an effect on gaming/workload performance but Nvidia Added in the control panel "CUDA- System fallback policy" under the "Manage 3D settings" section. This setting uses system memory when the GPUs memory is full. Obviously, system memory is much slower. In AI workloads the result of this spill over is massive and can easily be seen, although this setting often allows things to work that did not before they take considerably longer. The other thing is even stuff that can work without this setting on (can run on the amount of VRAM you have by limiting the load) take longer when it is on as the program sometimes just uses the system memory just because it can. (poor coding) I think this maybe has the potential to spill into gaming and other workloads. I have not seen anyone actually test and look into if it is when on? Maybe an idea for a video?

my wifes rig has an evga gtx 1650 4gb gddr6 in it. with arctic accelero 4 cooler on it and overclocked it's the same performance as a 1660 super according to superposition global benchmarks. wish arctic would of continued to make gigantic aftermarket gpu heatsinks. this thing is a beast. never goes above 50c under load. 5 year old gpu still holding up....

The problem is not the link of only 4 PCIe 4.0 (4x) lines but the quantity of VRAM of only 4GB which severely slows down the performance of the "Navi24" chip, Sapphire and XFX had each released an 8GB variant using two GDDR6 chips of 4GB (Samsung) instead of two 2GB GDDR6 chips (Samsung/SKHynix/Micron) but unfortunately too little produced and available, therefore having seen a test of the Sapphire Radeon RX 6500 XT Pulse 8GB against an ASUS Radeon RX 6500 XT DUAL OC 4GB on Doom Eternal in 1080p "Ultra" preset the difference in average FPS was a little more than +60% which clearly proves that it is mainly the too low amount of VRAM of 4GB.

This product from what I can tell is a part designed for laptops, that got pushed to desktop. The idea was that it didn't need an encoder because integrated graphics can take care of that. But why even have something this weak to supplement integrated graphics?

Black Friday deals for the RX6600 were down to $180 with a code for an additional $20 dollars off. Picked mine up for $160 plus tax. Worked out to be about $181 from Newegg. At that price point, the RX6600 is about where it should be. I’m happy I bought when I did. You never know when the supply of the older cards will dry up. It replaces my 5700XT which is starting to have cooling issues. I could just repaste it but I want something in case it has more issues.

8:31 those are some suspicious graphs

Nice to give normal people that can't afford the new mega cards some good content, appreciated!

This gonna be interesting!

I have the 6500XT in my PC. Bought it june 2022 at 208EUR. I knew it wasn't the best, but it was the best one that was actually available at that price range in my area. My integrated graphics had problems and I needed something new. Waiting was not an option. If I would have bought something else I would have needed to upgrade my power supply as well. Besides that my ryzen 3200G could then still bottleneck it. I usually limit my fps to 40 anyway. The prices for better video cards are just insane, and it was much MUCH worse 2 years ago

I got 5600xt yesterday...Great Value

I bought this card for my kid's PC because their previous card didn't have enough VRAM to play Trailmakers. They have 1080p with an Intel 4790K and 16gb of DDR3 Ram. They have played Halo Infinite, Jedi Fallen Order, among other not so old but not so recent games. They never complained about stuttering or slow downs, and I haven't seen it looking over their shoulder occasionally. It made sense at the time because I couldn't even get my hands on a 1650 Super, but the sale price had it down to 200$ Canadian which is comparable to the other cards in the same area of performance. I don't really regret my purchase at all. And no, I couldn't afford to go up one higher and get the 6600, so this worked for me.

plz make a a620m motherboards roundup like you did with b650m boards

i'm waiting out on what the 7600xt will do

THANKS

Thx Steve . I almost bought one of these second hand , glad I didn't .

is the 1080ti still getting driver updater? i wonder how it compares if it is getting updates.

I literally shivered from the chill going down my spine when you reminded me how bad the GPU drought was, $300 for a 580!!! Dude I got PTSD from that era!!!

I have an MSI RX6750XT trio plus 12Gb PCIe gen 4 GPU, how does this hold up with games? I don't game with this system. It's an audio production system. It's paired with a Ryzen 7 5800X CPU, rendering big projects is very fast, for 120 channels to Stereo 24bit, 48Khz in less than 30 seconds. My 4600G used almost a full minute, and when working with a big projects caused hickups often.

I think the RX 5600 XT would also be interesting to see in this video. Because it is in a good place of the used market, so even if you normally don't cover this, it could still help people