This was a GREAT watch.

uh you can def get through that last laser by going fast in final fortress. I never even once had to fly above that

I really think Sonic Heroes would benefit the most from a remake. The level design is fantastic and some of the best in the series and the core team mechanic is super fun, it's just the little physics and control problems that need fine tuning. Honestly, if they just incorporated the 'lock-on' for the homing attack and shoulder button switching for rails from the modern titles, that would immediately solve most of the game's problems. Then just make the pinball mechanics more polished, allow you to switch formation in midair so you can save yourself as Tails, and make rails something you can home onto and then I think every level would be amazing.......oh and probably change the bosses....they all need changing.

I know bullet station isn't one of the most playable stages, but to me is a S. I just love the scenario and the feeling of infiltrating a base builtin a canyon, specially with the visuals. I just love it

man this game seriously needs a remaster if most of the problems were fixed this game would truly be a gem LIKE BETTER CONTROL

18:05 actually if you hold down the grinding button you can go fast enough to dodge the laser

Your problem with the rail grinding is that you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to HOLD it, not spam it. I get that you assumed otherwise based on the button icon still flashing after holding it which is bad design, but considering that holding is how it works in SA2, you'd think people would at some point try to hold here too. I don't know though, maybe I was just lucky to figure it out early. The tilting at curves to gain speed is still there, the animation is just less wonky as to not instantly make you lose all your speed (bit too subtle though). I think it's pretty obvious why rail switching while traveling at supersonic speeds causes you to fly off. Straight rails can make you jump two rails instead of one. This is because of your speed, which makes you travel faster and thereby longer distances while jumping. It makes sense, really. Slowing down helps with this too. It's not very difficult to gain momentum again, so it's generally much better to slow down a little than to take the risk and jump at the curve. There is also this one BS section in Rail Canyon where it's completely impossible to get ahead of a train, which would be fair except that it's slower than you and you crash into it unless you let go of the action button and/or press it again once to reset your momentum. Knowing how to grind properly, Rail Canyon becomes a blast to play. It's fast paced and tilting wrong won't make you instantly lose all your speed like in SA2. There's only one very short section where you absolutely need to switch from Sonic unless you know how to launch yourself 90° into the air, making this the most fast paced level in the game. Also, for the pumpkin ghosts in Mystic Mansion you have to wait until they've finished their spawning animation and you'll never really fail with the homing attack. This one is 100% the game's fault though, SEGA should've made them spawn earlier. I agree with just about everything else though, good video. Very glad you're fully enlightened about BINGO Highway and What I'm Made of.

"Oh hey look at this _VERY_ subtle hint for the final boss in case you missed the opening." *Me...who never noticed it* _Surprised Pikachu face_

The easiest way to deal with the speed trial in Mystic Mansion, is to hold the jump button after every homing attack so Sonic hovers in the air a little bit. If you just spam it really quickly, it will more often than not just get you killed. Interesting strategy with Egg Emperor. It's way easier to just get level 2 Flying, and just spam thundershoot for ages. You can actually influence the direction of it by using the analog as well.

There actually is one moment in Lost Jungle where you need to avoid the black frog to progress, but it's only in Team Dark's version of the stage; at the moment in Team Sonic's version where it goes top down and ends with you using a light speed dash, Team Dark has to go up via some platforms on a vine which are right next to a black frog, so if it spots you the platforms will disappear, and they have to go to a green frog to get them back and try again. EDIT: As for the Homing Attack, I recommend tilting the Analog Stick towards the enemy if you aren't already, as you're probably supposed to since this basically guarantees that the Homing Attack will work, but if you are already doing that, then I don't know how to help you than to consider playing the GameCube or Xbox versions instead of the PC or PS2 versions, as I have heard that the former two aren't as glitchy (I can't speak from personal experience because those former two are the only ones I played, and even then I haven't played the Xbox version in years, but this is what most people say); to deal with the pumpkin ghosts disappearing before you can hit them, I think the only thing you can do is just do it faster, since I assume they're like the Gold Beetle from SA2 where they disappear after a while. Lastly, one actually can and is supposed to grind the rails fast enough to evade the laser, so I don't know why you can't; maybe it's because you aren't holding the B button but just repeatedly pressing it, so I guess just hold it next time and see if it works, because it does for me. Lastly, you can actually beat the Egg Emperor even easier by just leveling up Tails twice and flying as high as possible and just repeatedly hitting the boss from there. If you read this, then I can only hope any of this helps you in later playthroughs. Also, I personally consider Live and Learn to be the best Crush 40 song, but as you said, I'm fighting a losing battle, and I love every Crush 40 song anyway, so I'll just leave it at that, especially since What I'm Made Of is definitely a close second anyway.

15:17 Had a tough time with this for a while too, the ghosts aren’t considered enemies until they phase in completely. You won’t homing attack them cuz of that, it’s best to hold the homing attack button to stretch out the vertical recoil so they ghosts have enough time to spawn in.

"They say rocks when they're clearly wheels" Caveman: "and i took that personally"

12:36 Bro Omega decapitated Tails °-° Very underrated video, pretty good job!

Yes, you can get through the Final Laser by just going fast. I didn't even know about the laser for a time because I'd go fast through that section and the detonation cutscene barely shows the laser.

even though i may not agree with your ranking, this was an awesome watch! surprised to see how low views it has considering how well put together this is and how awesome sonic heroes is:p

15: Special Stages (E) 14: Rail Canyon (D) 13: Casino Park (B) 12: Power Plant (B) 11: Mystic Mansion (B) 10: Bullet Station (B) 9: Bingo Highway (A) 8: Final Fortress (A) 7: Lost Jungle (A) 6: Seaside Hill (A) 5: Frog Fort (S) 4: Egg Fleet (S) 3: Hang Castle (S) 2: Ocean Palace (S) 1: Grand Metropolis (S)

Thank you for talking about the genius that is the Ocean Palace bgm. Has been my favorite Sonic Heroes song for a loooong time. Also, thanks for including Metal Sonic, as I thought you would skip it for a minute. Nice suspense lol

S : Egg Fleet, Mystic Mansion, Frog Forest A : Casino Park, Metropolis, Lost Jungle, Hang Castle B : Seaside Hill, Ocean Palace, Bingo Highway C : Final Fortress, Power Plant, Bullest Station D : Rail Canyon

Great video underrated video thank you UKposts for showing me smaller channels as well you’re finally being useful with the recommendations lol

As for the grinding sections, it's just like SA2.. hold the grinding button instead of mashing it, you only mash it to gain some speed initially

Video so good that I had to subscribe. This game was amazing when I was a kid and I still find myself listening to the ost here and there!

Solid ranking! man, i have so much love for Sonic Heroes. Great video

lmaooo the intro to Metal Sonic was so good. I was literally just thinking that the final 2 bosses were actually solid- at least comparing to the ones before it.

This video is really underrated! You got a new sub!

*4:58* When you talked about the springs not launching you for the power plant zone, I am confident that it's a pc port issue as the PC port is an unfinished version of every other version.

I wish more people could take about this game, this was really entertaining

Great video but there's a couple of things I want to mention. -For the team fights, you can just spam blue tornado and win in less than a minute -tails isn't usless in the metal overlord fight. If you switch to tails when metal uses the crystal missiles, he can deflect them way, preventing anyone from getting trapped.

Excellent sense of humor :) I audibly laughed at the Mr. Krabs edit, entertaining video dude, you should make more tier lists if you are interested.

Yooooo! I notice that neat little music transition you did! The Hang Castle segment started playing the inverted track as the gameplay went to the inverted side too!

Luv this video 🖤 thanks for the nostalgia!

Very agreable video. I found It nice to see that you like Hang Castle just as much as i do. It's such a great speed level, with all the sequence breakes you can pull off.

0:37 As one of the 3 people who liked that game, I WISH!

Hey, great video! You should make more lists like this

this is an amazing video :D

I do love how you put a picture of Slyfer the sky dragon on the Metal Sonic boss picture because I thought the EXACT same thing when I played this game as a kid

Egg fleet amazes me, I don't think I have seen anything like it in a video game. You are high up in the sky amongst a massive fleet of ships, not actually driving a ship yourself but are on foot. Even with such low resolution, I think seeing the sky clouds below you is incredible. In general I really like the Heroes level designs, most of them feature you being situated very high up, allowing you to get a view of pretty much everything below you

A detail that should raise the ranking of Mystic Mansion is that it's the only level where the music changes depending on where you are in the level. Sections of the song will loop if you don't leave to the next area/room before the next section song section starts. I used to try to pass rooms on time so the song runs smoothe or would linger in areas for my favorite parts of the song. Best part, the final chorus and best part of the song is triggered at the climax of the level for all teams.

19:53 really caught me off-guard. I personally like Egg Albatross, but I can at least appreciate it as the second place boss in your list.

Egg fleet is my favorite one of all time, but not because of gameplay or gimmicks, it's only because of the dynamic shot every team gets on the stage opening cutscene

Great video, was a trip down memory lane. Idk if it was because I was young and impressionable when I first played it, but this was my favorite Sonic game until Colors. it's also the only one I 100% completed. All they had to do was make the controls more reliable

13:07 Pumpkin Hill: you underestimate my power

the ghosts dont randomly decide to leave in mystic mansion, when you hit the first ghost, it looked like knuckles kept going and hit the second, which is an entirely different and even funnier issue

Plus YOUR VIDEO IS ABSLOUTLEY AWESOME

i love this, i grew up with sonic heroes and its nostalgia nostalgia tastes nice

Mystic mansion was my absolute favourite especially the trippy blue, red and yellow part although it scared me as a child😂

19:44 That was such a beautiful edit, shredded few tears lmao

The problem with homing attacks on mystic mansion is that the enemies are untargetable until the phase in animation is over, that's why sonic sometimes misses. You have to wait a bit longer between homing attacks. Also you can definately get past the big laser, you're playing the rail sections wrong thats why you keep dying. You're not meant to spam the button, you have to hold it and tilt the analog stick. To reliably switch rails and not fall hold the stick left or right and press a, don't do them simultaniously or you might end up jumping and then going left or right instead.

I grew up with this being one of my first games i ever played, i had a great time and still have fun with it even on the harder levels

Loved the video, glad I was recommended it in my feed, but... Why can not a single soul on youtube grind in heroes properly lol? That giant laser at the end of final fortress can 100% be passed by going fast enough. You just have to hold B instead of repeatedly tapping it :p

Great list! I didn't realize how much of a missed opportunity Generations had with this level. One of the Hang Castles, one of the Egg Fleets, or one of the Frog Forest levels would have been way more cool than Seaside Hill AGAIN. Disagree about the Crush 40 song though...I still think Live and Learn is better...if only by a little bit 🤭

Great list, shoulda touched on egg hawk and egg blimp's design and music, specially since some stages got carried to higher tiers because both those elements. I'd put those 2 a tier higher cause they're just better than team battles and enemy waves

i have to disagree with the powerplant ranking. imo its on the same level or better than grand metropolis. i loved killing enemies to progress on the new mechanic of the vertical gravitational things. for some reason it the level felt so large too, probably due to the verticality aspect. despite my inability to progress in the final section of the level without assistance as a kid, I loved the implementation of the leaking fire thingy and the gradually increasing climax. i still appreciate its implementation to succeed in what it wants to do (build tension and create a challenge).

My first console game ever! Thank you for this trip through the Nostalgia Zone!

My TOP 3 are Egg Fleet, Rail Canyon, Hang Castle. -I just love so much Egg Fleet, it's challenging, it's actually "cinematic", due to being so high, the ambience of rushing into a dangerous flying base fighting your way on as defense systems and infantry constantly attacks you, allowing some of Sonic's trade mark multiple pathways along the epic music. It's an action movie packed into a stage. -Rail Canyon I like it a lot, I love the speed and danger feeling it gets, being my favorite parts the rhino trains chase, basically a playable cutscene in which you can even follow their rails and found a different path and the trains that outrun you, can actually be outrun, grinding speed works like adventure 2: just press, not spam and that speed is what I love in Rayl Canyon. -Hang Castle you just said it all, it's an incredible level!

Loved the list. Personally Egg Fleet is my favorite stage, but I think your placement for it is understandable. I've found out from seeing Cyberman's playthrough of the game that the fastest strategy for the Egg Albatross is actually to knock the bottom plane part while getting a power level and then stand in place. He will come towards you and then you just span fire dunk on him. You need to time it, but he'll be done very quickly. I know you can totally get an A-rank with the homing attack strategy, but the fire dunk strategy is crazy quick. You can totally outrun the laser in Final Fortress, I didn't even know you could avoid it with flight formation. Go to speed formation and hold grind until you're done!

All the rail grinding sections (including the Final Fortress' big laser) can be done better by *holding* the X button to maintain speed and leaning into the turn. Sonic's trial in Mystic Mansion sucks because some things aren't explained: -after doing a homing attack, you can hold the jump button to gain more air time from the bounce and prepare the attack better -Knux and Tails can just hit the ghosts and make them fade out before you can strike Tails is quicker still at killing the Egg Emperor; at level 2 the Thunder Shoot does decent damage and can continuously disable his shield. It's also an all-round good attack for non-shielded pawns.

I loved everything about this game. Light hatred, fun, creative, diverse dialog, multiplayer6, team blast and THE BEST voice actors. Grand metropolis is my favorite level and music in sonic

Jumping and holding the B button as Sonic (on GameCube) during the cool down of team bast causes you to basically do another one. It makes the Egg Emperor hella easy. I think this was mentioned in the vid but for all who didn't know (as the game never explicitly tells, just gives u a small notification for it)

Rail canyon was one of my faves I liked the danger and how precise you have to be, I hated lost jungle with the vine swings back in the day

Actually, that giant laser cannon at the end of Final Fortress CAN be avoided without using Flight formation. Just keep holding the action button (X in the PC port, for example) with the Speed character, you should be get by the laser before it even launches.

20:50 solid meme 😂👌 That Metal Sonic bit got me

I had PTSD flashbacks seeing you talk about and show Sonic missing those ghostly pumpkin heads in that spooky stage. I remember being so upset playing those when he'd miss or when they'd randomly disappear. I loved this game but that right there.... what a menace of a level.

That's pretty good, get a higher-quality mic because you have a strong future at this.

I would like to make a statement that part of the fun of this game is thinking on the fly how to deal with enemies, as far as combat goes in Sonic games this game is second only to Frontiers, which just takes elements from other combat focused games anyway. With that said, I feel the enemy rushes are among the more fun bosses in this game. Thinking on the fly about how to deal with each wave of enemies, its pretty fun IMO

Frog Forest and Lost Jungle are so otherworldy

I deeply enjoy your "I just gotta tell some lies real quick" writing style

I've come to learn over time that I'm in quite the minority for enjoying the Robot Carnival and Robot Storm bosses. I like the music, and the general puzzle-ish feel of it, waiting for when to use Team Blast appropriately and all the particular scenarios they set up for you. I always found them the most engaging and fun bosses in the game.

Dude you deserve way more subs.

As soon as I saw Ocean Palace in S-Tier, I was reassured this man knew what he was talking about

I grew up on ps2 and Ive never had a problem with the 3v3 team battle. I just spam thunder shoot or blue tornado

If you want to do Special Stages in this game better (Emerald Challenge) use power formation, they will not only catch the emerald, but they have the best control and they don't eat up the energy gauge nearly as bad as speed formation

Level (Number and Name) - Ranking 01: Seaside Hill - Rank: A (Gold Medal) 02: Ocean Palace - Rank: S (Platinum Medal) Boss 1: Egg Hawk - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 03: Grand Metropolis - Rank: A (Gold Medal) 04: Power Plant - Rank: B (Silver Medal) Boss 2: First Team - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 05: Casino Park - Rank: C (Bronze Medal) 06: Bingo Highway - Rank: B (Silver Medal) Boss 3: Robot Carnival - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 07: Rail Canyon - Rank: D (Metal Medal) 08: Bullet Station - Rank: C (Bronze Medal) Boss 4: Egg Albatross - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 09: Frog Forest - Rank: S (Platinum Medal) 10: Lost Jungle - Rank: A (Gold Medal) Boss 5: Second Team - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 11: Hang Castle - Rank: S (Platinum Medal) 12: Mystic Mansion - Rank: B (Silver Medal) Boss 6: Robot Storm - Rank: E (Rock Medal) 13: Egg Fleet - Rank: S (Platinum Medal) 14: Final Fortress - Rank: A (Gold Medal) Boss 7: Egg Emperor - Rank: D (Metal Medal) Special Stages - Rank: D (Metal Medal) Final Boss: Neo Metal Sonic - Rank: C (Bronze Medal)

Tails for the Metal Madness fight can be used to destroy the missile he fires that could trap team members, also builds up team blast.

Most of the lvls like final fortress, Lost Jungle and mystic mansion I only despise because I was aiming for damageless runs since after all I wanted the emeralds earlier for convenience, but ur right, If you playing them normally, they're lit. Also for FF you can avoid the plasma beam if you speed up by holding action and Dodge with speed form

Sonic and ghosts realizing ghosts aren't real is hilarious! Got my daily laugh.

Yes!!!! My favorite stage and level soundtrack Frog Forest is on S Rank yayyyyyyy!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥 I remember playing Sonic Heroes on the PS2 version as a kid.

At 18:10 I found out that holding down the button to go faster with rails actually speeds your character up instead of rapid tapping

In mystic mansion sonic trial you forgot to mention the flight/power characters may hit the ghost for you, so you don't get to hit them And in final fortress, you can get through the final laser fast enough, you just need to be speed character and accelerate from beginning to end

In the final fortress rail segment just hold the grind button at the end to beat the laser.

Tip for the homing attack chain at the end of mystic mansion, the ghosts actually move farther apart from each other, like they move a little to the left or right each time, so what I do is instead of spamming the homing attack is move sonic a little towards each of them each time and it never seems to fail from my immediate recollection, I feel like I’m the only person who noticed this because I’ve never heard anyone else mention it

during the egg emperor fight; if he charges towards you, use your power character to push him back

9:00 i actually liked this level. Yes it was a pain but the thrill of those rails bro was another feeling

pro tip for the ending of mystic mansion. Hold the jump button when homing attacking the ghosts, so that afterwards you go up higher. Wait until sonic is as high as he can be, then homing attack the next one. It makes that section a cakewalk. For the ending of final fortress, you can go fast enough to get by. If you hold B when the rails are going down, you build up speed. Pressing the button over and over isn't very helpful. The special stages control VERY differently depending on the version of the game you're playing. Gamecube version is the best of the bunch, but still not great.

15:13 Just hold the homming attack button for longer before performing the next one and you should have no problem with it

When grinding in Sonic Heroes, you actually go faster by HOLDING the action better, not mashing it. In literally every formation this is the case. (And I know in Shadow the Hedgehog literally the opposite is true, it's very weird)

Rather than tapping the rail grinding button to "speed up" if you simply just hold it down instead you will accelerate down the rail just like in SA2 and therefore can get past the final fortress super laser real easy. I did not know this myself until replaying the game recently lmao

The elevators in Power Plant are the bane of my existence. Especially in the team dark version. Needlessly difficult for an early stage

Watching they lack of Mystic Mansion knowledge hurt. Can't spam Homing attack Can hold the homing attack button after using it to gain extra height Knuckles and tails use homing attack with you when you use it, and can hit other ghosts making them disappear.

You can get through the final rail in Final Fortress. Instead of spamming the accelerate button for grinding, you just have to hold it down where you’ll reach max speed to zip past the giant laser

After seeing how boring and automated rail grinding is after this game, I've always liked that switching rails during boost pads and curves can mess you up, it's a good punishment for trying to be correct at the last second as seen here 9:12 it's a yellow rail so it's pretty clear what they're implying.

At first i though i was just crazy, but you actually put a picture of slifer the sky dragon for metal sonic. xD

The Sonic Unleashed stages in this video are actually meant to be training stages before you play the actual game. Sonic Heroes has one as well.

Team Sonic' Air Fleet opening section is the coolest thing in the game for me.

Nice vid 👏🏾

Egg Fleet has my all-time favorite background music in the entire game.

In my first playthrough of sonic heroes near the end of power plant, I panicked because of the Lava or Energy, I think? whatever it's called, and I died

Actually you _can_ get through the final laser in Final Fortress by going faster. The thing is, based on your video, the game has conditioned you to _not_ do it, instead of you adapting where you need to. You see, you probably didn't notice because during the rail-sections you taught yourself to not touch the controller or you'll be flung off. And while I admit that is a good strategy to have when you are _leaving_ the rail; while you're still on it, it can cost you time. Holding down forward on the analog stick while grinding on a rail will actually cause your character to go faster. So during the final section, you hold down forward like you're slamming the gas-pedal. You'll zoom through the rail section before the cannon has time to fire. Also, while not conventional, you _can_ actually dodge Egg Emperor's Charge-Attack...provided if you are playing Team Sonic or Team Dark. While in speed formation, if Eggman charges you, if you time it just right by jumping into the air and performing blue/black tornado, the animation for the attack will shield you from taking the hit. However, this move has two caveats that make it potentially risky and shouldn't be used lightly. For the one thing, Team Rose and Chaotix are incapable of using this exploit; you do it with them, you're gonna get hurt. Secondly, because Sonic and Shadow's tornado attack is designed to lock-onto nearby enemies, the attack runs the risk of homing in on one of the various Egg-Flappers on the pathway section, which can leave you falling off the stage. It works with a bit of practice; just gotta have some situation awareness and know when you can and can't throw it out.

I think I’m your 200th twitch follower 🥰

19:03 🤓Umm, ackshually you can counter the charge with tornado jump🤓 Anyways, great tier list. My personal favourite would be Final Fortress though. The soundtrack and the atmosphere of this level were too cool for my pre-teen imagination back in 2004.

I played on gc and never had a problem with lightspeed dash unless the rings were too far apart