Yes, the LEDs are hard to see! And also yes, you can still boot from the SD card (the Pi tries SD first, then USB).

Thanks.

Do report back! :)

BTW, I just purchased a new Raspberry Pi 3 B+ (June, 2018) and the one-time programmable memory bit (program_usb_boot_mode=1) was already pre-set to 1 at the factory.

:)

Thanks.

Thanks for this feedback, which is really useful for others here. In my tests Raspbian resized its partition on first boot. But if this does not happen, you should be able to use the Pi's preferences/setting panel to do a resize.

My wife works for a 3d fabricating company that has been using Pi. They configure them for controlling installation elements, including interactive media for their displays, like you see in museums, zoos, lobbies etc. They gave me a 3B to play with and all has gone well until I've been trying to boot from usb. I first bought an ADATA SU650 120 gb ssd, couldn't resist at $22 on Ebay. I used Raspian's own "copy SD card" app from nthe desktop intended for cloning, which wrote to my SSD while plugged into the RPI usb. Worked great, looks good. For the moment, the ssd is being powered by an old all-in-one powered setup used for benchwork with harddrives (don't know what they're called. It works as a drive but won't even attempt to boot. For testing, I cloned the same way to a 2nd but greater capacity sd card, via usb card reader. This cloned card works perfectly as a replacement card in the sd slot, but is problematic if I try to boot it via usb (original card has the same troubles). The attempted boot achieves varying results which I guess can happen because the read order is not consistent. There has to be a simple fix in the way of a pointer or moving file/s, but I haven't the experience to do more than keep searching. With the cloned sd I've even gotten to fully booted only to see it die immediately. More often it freezes during post at one of 2 places. Keeping an sd internally doesn't help. I am guessing that maybe the solution of leaving the boot partition on an internal sd, pointing to root via the usb should work, but that should not be necessary. I can't find any info that might help. It was suggested that the partition order can be an issue. I was wondering if Etcher might do something different, but it doesn't make sense that the Raspian native copier wouldn't work for using a cloned disk via usb, especially with how long they've had if it needed a fix. Noting again the cloned sd does work as an internal drive replacement. casePi is not the plus and needed the otp bit set. Does only the plus arrive with the OTP already set? If mine should have come already set, maybe that remains a problem even though I manually set it.

A result of my age and occupation! :)

@@ExplainingComputers maybe someday I'll have that many

I can vouch for that. Go though your bins and pack rat kit you will end up with all sorts of hardwre just laying around.

Save your money, or go Panhandle at the Truck stop

@@TheEPROM9 yeah but all mine is from before windows 3.1 agp cards anyone?

Normal person: Yahoo Yippy Whoo hoo yeah! This guy: Well, that's quite nice, isn't it?

The one I used came "free" with a Samsung SSD some years ago. Any SATA to USB adapter should work -- the trick, if you are buying one for a Pi, is not spending too much for a USB 3.0 one (which will work, but the Pi only has USB 2.0). So something like this on Amazon (which happens to be USB 3) should be fine: www.amazon.com/Tuscom-Super-Speed-USB-3-0/dp/B01MTCMNAL/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1502027806&sr=1-12&keywords=usb%2B2.0%2BSATA%2Badapter&th=1 Note that if you want to connect a HDD to a Pi, rather than an SSD, that your adapter will need a means of powering the drive, as a Pi cannot power an HDD, only an SSD.

Exactly. :)

:)

Yes, this is true -- the Raspberry Pi 3 B+ and A+ are preset for this; so this video covers what is necessary for a Pi 3 B only.

Thanks. :) Remember that a Pi will not be able to power an HDD directly.

It would be awesome indeed! :)

No, the SD card is not required for booting on any occasion (if you have a USB device inserted with an OS installed). What you saw int he final segment was a cold boot, without an SD card, and this is how it boots each time. :)

Kuma You gotta steal them from work. I liberated a 120GB SDDUltra which had been on a spare desk in design area for weeks. £2 usb connector from UKposts and I was in business.

The word on the web is soon it will be 'I just had this old 1TB m.2 lying around' true story.

Just the usual UKposts guys stuff, "Oops, I jist found this Gtx 1080Ti lying around"

hell I still use a ata drive for a disk drive

and I just found this core i7 8700k processor lying around for a test with this pi. soon! 😅

Not yet possible on a Pi 4. USB boot is promised for a future update . . . I will certainly cover it in a video when the update is released.

One of the benefits the etcher site mentions is that it's a cross-platform tool. I think that makes it a good choice for a video like this, where the audience may not be running Linux on their laptop or desktop machines

i was just about to suggest this!

indeed he made a correct prediction with usb3 in the recent pi4!

Currently the USB 3.0 ports on the Pi 4B are not bootable. But they have promised a future software upgrade to make this so. :)

@@ExplainingComputers Of course you are right but it can boot from an SD whilst loading most of the OS and applications from an SSD. I hope this will make it a truly usable desktop computer.

Useful feedback, thanks.

I am trying so hard to boot from my SSD OCZ 480GB or my WD blue 512 GB but only the usb flash drive 8GB from china work with the raspberian Stretch. For the SSD ans WD I user a Orico adapter also another one adaptet usb 2.0 with dedicated power supply. Do you think the problem can be the supply current to ssd or hdd?

What a great idea! :)

ExplainingComputers thank you sir. :)

I saw a PDF file based on making it using pi zero. you can Google it if u want it.

Why not a video on using a Pi to make a Time Machine?

To build a time machine, you'll need a Raspberry Omega 5729 which would be released in the year 6485. Unfortunately, humanity will have destroyed itself before that time, delaying the release infinitely. They will be available in some parallel universes though.

An excellent result then! I'm glad that it worked for you. :)

Oh dear! :(

Next week here I will be looking at an SBC with a SATA port and two M.2 slots . . .

ExplainingComputers 2x m.2 rip!!! M.2 sata or m.2 pci express 4x?

ExplainingComputers udoo x86 ultra would be awesome

For a while now I said the Foundation should build an enthusiast's board with SATA and a lot of RAM etc. as an additional income stream to fund other cheaper lines.

@ExplainingComputers I'm very much looking forward to that next video. I'm guessing that an SBC with those types of storage attachment ports could have a relatively powerful processor, a fast ethernet port and maybe even USB 3.0 ports as well.

Yes, indeed. But there are pressures on us UKpostsrs to use end screens . . . They don't work in some Android browsers either.

Berryboot is awesome. It still needs an SD to boot, though.

Indeed! But sadly, it is not yet bootable on the Pi 4B, unlike on the Pi 3B and 3B+ . . .

@@ExplainingComputers Awww man I was about to ask you if it works on the pi4. I just finished writing burning raspian to a ssd...

It is an Atomos Ninja, sadly no longer made/sold. Alternatives are indeed expensive hardware.

Ah, nice. They have a Ninja 2 now tho as it seems. But sadly it won't do 1080p60 else I'd buy it in an instant.

Tungsun programmable light switch.

I got one for sale.

:)

but you still got the SSD-Cache or am i wrong?

Thanks for a great post. You make a really great point. The Pi, and at least some other SBCs, were initially intended to let people experiment, and to do as you say other kinds of computing stuff. But a lot of users now use SBCs for "traditional" purposes. So the SBC world will, I think, split -- into higher end devices that are more like desktop PCs (but also useful for things like robotics), and lower cost devices that maybe people will (or will not!) experiment with for IoT and other purposes. This said, even when set up as a "desktop" PC, the Pi still allows people to experiment with computing in a way they dare not do with their traditional laptop or desktop. And some people here do report using a Pi or similar SBC as a traditional computer. Next week's video may also stir things up at bit, as I am reviewing an UDOOx86 Advanced Plus -- a powerful SBC with a great many operating system and connectivity and boot options . . . and this gets us back into traditional desktop territory, even though that is not (alone) the purpose of the board. :)

An on/off switch would be nice but USB3 a/o SATA and a LAN port that isn't throttled would be nice for say a cheap NAS solution. What do you think a rpi4 should look like, something that encourages more physical computing?

TotoFrancey just google rpi project and you will be amazed about how many awesome ad various project has been made whit rpi. One of those is also "transform" it to a "desktop" computer. I don't think that is stopping the progress of SBC is the solution of the problem you mentioned. In this moment i can't think a good way to use usb3 or sata in particular project, but I'm sure that many people will do. 👍 You can still buy an Arduino 😉😉

ExplainingComputers What are the specs of the Udoo like? Also what are the boot option? Since it's an x86 board (is it actually x86 or is it 64 bit) does it come with Windows built in or does it not come with an os like the pi?

I really do not understand the problem ... so what if raspberry PIs are getting more like computers? You still have the ability to tinker with it, but users like me can still use it for media stuff. There is no reason for it to not work for both instences. Me personally would love to see a 3.0 port or maby even a SATA port for me to able to use it for my use case, but i see no reason for that to harm you in any way, since you will still be able to tinker with it all you like

6 years, I guess you learned it

Indeed it is.

How much can this be mitigated by a compressing file system? Which would be the best option to do so?

Alex, I run a USB2 external HDD, which contains my Steam library. It takes about 30 seconds longer for a game to boot up, compared to when that same drive was in my laptop. 30 whole seconds. Yeah, it's terrible. /s

I run my pihole with a USB 200Gb drive I salvaged out of a dead laptop...been running like that for months and months...I don't mind it taking a few more seconds to boot.

I like seeing that someone besides my self still remembers MAX. I feel that tv show was perhaps too far ahead of itself. I feel that the audience could not grasp the concept. IMHO, Cheers.

Granted, though an SSD is less likely to corrupt than an SD card. More generally, the ability to use a USB thumb drive rather than a micro SD card could be useful on occasion. I just went to the extreme here! :)

He could be running it with USB 3.1 gen 2 if the raspberry pi had it.

As EC points out the reasoning here is more to avoid SD Card wear and eventually death, in exchange for a much more robust drive. Sure the SSD won't run at its peak speeds, but it also won't need an external power supply, which your run of the mill 2,5" Mechanical drive will. But that's easily done if you want to put that in your case.

Actually, in my experience, it does need an external power supply. I use a powered hub.

Sounds like the charger you're using for the PI is underdimensioned to give each USB port the amps they need. SSDs can run on single USB2 no problem.

Great to hear!

Thanks! :)

No problem. I've been working on my Linux certification and my brain is full of (seemingly) useless little factoids that occasionally come in handy. Now trying to learn sed and awk. Great tools but confusing to learn...ugh. By the way--I also checked out some of the videos on your other channel. AMAZING how well those are, especially the ones about mining on asteroids and settling on the moon. Very impressive!

Legitning NNooooooooooooooo

sidharth cs Gg :D

Gold Metal to Legitning! :)

ExplainingComputers Time to add it to my collection, well its very small.

That's what she said!

Silver. :)

You will have to tell and grade down the Raspberry Pi Foundation too . . .

I know =( It's not a big deal at all and matters very little but for some reason I feel the need to let people know about the change.

apt actually does a better job I think. apt-get still works but apt is colorized in some areas to help you focus on the what's currently happening, such as the overall download progress for the group of packages being updated; in other words it's more user friendly. Try 'man apt-get' and 'man apt' to see the general differences.

Wayne Dinsmore There is also apitude which is very similar to apt-get and apt (I haven't played with apt though). The trick is that if something isn't installed by defauly, I'm releunctant to learn it. Apt-get is everywhere, right?

I didn't know about aptitude. The man page says it's a 'high-level interface to the package manager'. I dug a little deeper and it seems to be an interface that uses curses (poor man's GUI), which also explains why the program is so much larger. Time to try something new (maybe after I'm done playing with my new ESP32-WROVER-KIT). The following lists show the various apt. apt-get, and aptitude programs. Take particular note of the symbolic links and also that it implies aptitude is an alternative to apt or apt-get. pi@RPi3-2:~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/apt* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13832 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 100008 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-cache -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26092 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 17848 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22060 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 206604 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-ftparchive -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 120428 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-get lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Jul 5 06:36 /usr/bin/aptitude -> /etc/alternatives/aptitude -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1939 Jun 9 2014 /usr/bin/aptitude-create-state-bundle -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3738328 Jun 15 2014 /usr/bin/aptitude-curses -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2850 Jun 9 2014 /usr/bin/aptitude-run-state-bundle -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11740 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-key -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8742 Oct 12 2014 /usr/bin/apt-listchanges -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 42548 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-mark -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30200 Dec 13 2016 /usr/bin/apt-sortpkgs pi@RPi3-2:~ $ ls /etc/alternatives/aptitude* aptitude aptitude.de.8.gz aptitude.fr.8.gz aptitude.ja.8.gz aptitude.8.gz aptitude.es.8.gz aptitude.gl.8.gz aptitude.pl.8.gz aptitude.cs.8.gz aptitude.fi.8.gz aptitude.it.8.gz pi@RPi3-2:~ $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/aptitude lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jul 5 06:36 /etc/alternatives/aptitude -> /usr/bin/aptitude-curses

:)

Thanks! :)

Anything that can boot from micro SD can boot from USB on a Pi 3B with this applied, or using any Pi 3B+, which has native USB boot (ie this "fix" comes already applied as standard). Sadly a Pi 4 though cannot yet USB boot.

:)

Yes, once the bit is set, you can boot from either USB or SD card -- the Pi will as far as I recall try to boot from USB first, then from SD card. Note that a Pi 3 B+ has the bit set when supplied, but that a Pi 4 cannot currently boot from USB.