What do you think more valuable to an NFL team? A dominant quarterback or a dominant defensive player?

Wellllll he did win a championship with Trent Dilfer as his qb.

Qbs are more important but that doesn't mean defensive players can't be the best players in the league.

Unless you have a lights out D like the 2000 Ravens, or 2015 Broncos.. you take a good QB over D all day.

The Texans have two dominant defensive players and no dominant quarterback... how's that working out for them lol

Ray was so bias speaking about defense that he didn't even use his desk notes. LMAO!

There is many ways to look at this. You see A. Donald can't win more the 2 games without a good QB. Then you have D. Brees can't win more the 7 games without a good DEF. I would take a all around decent players then one dominant player.

And 5 years later Aaron Donald Championship 💜💐🫶🏽 Ray Called it Skip 😂

Peyton Manning threw for 141 yards, a pick, and 0 touchdowns and the Broncos won in SB50. Don't try and tell me that Ray is wrong here. He's simply trying to add value to defensive players, which are usually underrated, when rankings like the top 100 come out.

Crazy how accurate Ray Lewis was after Aaron Donald and Von Miller win a super bowl 5yrs later

The fact that Ray Lewis was able to win 2 championships with quarterbacks who have a worse career QBR than Baker Mayfield speaks volumes to his point about a dominant defender over a great quarterback. That being said there are few defensive players in history that can elevate everyone else on the defensive side of the ball like Ray Lewis did.

"I don't know... I don't know, i like Von Miller." 😂😂😂 of course

Skip bayless finally said something I agree with Ray Lewis is the greatest leader in pro football history and in sports

Ray Lewis is definitely being biased here. Defense does win championships, but they don't score every game. A QB matters way more than any defensive player, unless there's a defensive player who can intercept every pass and return it for a touchdown every single game.

Skip Bayless is not qualified to argue football against Ray Lewis.

Aaron Donald is so dominant I’m looking at a video from 5 years ago saying he’s an interchangeable top 2 player and still

Skip tryna argue with Shannon Sharpe one of the best Tight ends of all time 3 rings and 8 pro bowls 10,000+ receiving yards And Ray Lewis in my opinion the greatest linebacker ever 2 rings , 13 pro bowls 2,000+ tackles

I never thought I'd say this guys... I'm with Skip on this one, Give me Rodgers over a dominant defender any day.

Ray Lewis look like he finna eat skip alive 😂

I would take a "Lawrence Taylor" over any quarterback!

Do you think defense wins championships?

If the argument was dominant TEAM defense, like the 2000 Ravens, 2013 Hawks okay, it makes sense. But ONE dominate defensive player over a QB ? Are you serious ? 😂

Just 5yrs from this clip, Ray Lewis claim was actually right, Aaron Donald has simply changed the way he’s marked and how the position is viewed, Elite.

Having played with Sapp in college, Ray certainly saw firsthand what a dominant DT can do. As a Husker fan, I saw it too. Even against the #1 oline in the country in the Orange Bowl, Sapp was a monster.

Shannon and Ray on the show give such great insight on football. Nice change up from the blind witness during basketball

Love Ray on the show. His segments really set the passion and knowledge ahead of the others

Say what you want about Ray.. I'd want him on my side in combat.

The way I view it, a Quarterback is the leader of a new revolution leading their team to the crown. A defense is responsible for protecting the castle. Offense scores, However DEFENSE really holds the floor.

This was probably the smartest conversation about football i ever heard, and not because of what Skip said.

This didn't end well for skip, Aaron Donald went twice to a superbowl with golf and matthew stafford 😂

I love Ray Lewis so much (and really the whole late 1990s to early 2010s Ravens I love) but I feel he overshadowed the greatness of possibly the best safety this game has ever seen, Ed Reed. You never hear any talk about that man and I know it's because Ray Lewis caught everyone's eyes, while Ed in the background leading the league in interceptions for 3 seasons as a safety.

The problem is that a defense can't be carried by a single person; whereas, an offense can be carried by a quarterback so quarterbacks should be put into a different category because they are just more important so we don't have this conversation all the time

Ray lewis won a super bowl with Trent Dilfer

"You got black and white TV then" I'm dead

Ray Lewis is exactly why I play on the defensive side of the ball, I loved every word he said, not to mention he was right about everything too

Defense needs lots of players to collectively be dominant. A dominant QB on his own can lead a team to a championship with probably half the salary cap space taken up

Man I miss Ray Lewis and those good Raven teams! That was the only team I had faith in and relied on in knocking off those worsem Patriots....

This aged well. Yes, I’m talking about the Rams and Aaron Donald.

My list- I'm going to guess that the differences in importance with the positions are marginal, with the importance depending on the game situation 1.QB- biggest impact on high leverage moments, and can open everything up if dynamic as a scrambler too. 2. 4-3 De/ 3-4olb- puts pressure on all game so the QB doesn't have time to read/think 3. WR- one that can go up and get it and with soft hands can take 2-3 people to guard, and a fast one can demand stretching the defense to protect against the home run 4. C- if they can get a push for 2 running gaps, then that's 2-3 yards for your rb untouched. Leader of the O-L 5. LT- give the qb time to operate and protect from unseen hits 6. HB- Critical in short yardage and goal line situations, if capable as a pass catcher, then can cause responsibility issues for defense 7. MLB- middle of the field in the box, an area that a lot of action occurs, leader of the defense 8. Nose Tackle- 3-4 D-Line will get man handled without a true NT 9. TE- Creates mismatches/move the chains target for the QB, big bodied target in the red zone, if they can block, then can create a lot of plays from a single formation. I think cbs and safeties can be average if you've got some shared responsibility in coverages. Guards don't really have much to worry about besides creating 2 gaps up the middle. Pass rush not really a threat 4-3 DT/3-4 DE- just be there and protect your gaps, not much expected 4-3 OlB - just expected to cover their man or the flats zone And if I forgot to write about you, then I guess you're not that important

Peyton Manning was below average his last year. Carried by that #1 Rank BRONCOS D#. You can win a title with an average or Below QB, only if you have an ALL-TIME RANK DEFENSE.

"You got the ultra high def package" lmaooo

Ray is being a bit bias. ( I mean he is one of the greatest "defensive" players ever lol) He has a valid point if you're talking about a few years ago. The league has changed so much now though. Now it seems that having a ok defense and a offense that can simply bombard you and out score you is more the makeup of the NFL. Teams that can easily put up 30 or more points a game make it tough for teams who don't have a dynamic quarterback and offensive playmakers to overcome those sort of attacks. Defense does now and will always matter but defenses wont consistently put up the points to win week in and week out. They both need each other to some extent. Always remember the game is decided by who has the most points on the scoreboard.

I like the points that you made ray but the thing is like you said when you have a great defensive presence will cancel out the quarterback but if your coaches do not put you in the right positions for that that's the problem most coaches now don't understand you your defensive player

I would take a qb first but after that, the pass rusher or linebacker is very important. The best defenses always have solid linebackers cause then you cant run on a team. After that offensive lineman. Then Id take a skillposition

QB's can't take over a game by themselves, they need their Offensive Line to block for them and they need their receivers to make plays for them. I seen Von Miller basically CARRY the Broncos on his back to a Super Bowl by Dominating the AFC Championship Game and the Super Bowl! Also I'm Bias Lawrence Taylor is my favorite Player Ever and he also DOMINATED and took over games! So I'm GLAD Defensive Players are praised in this ERA! QB's are for people like Skip and Colin Cowherd to Drool Over but you don't win without a good Defense. Brady doesn't have the rings he have without a good Defense!

Tim Tebow jumped off Skip's Television screen...Enough Said.

It depends in the long run the defensive player is going to slow down and just Father Time would show , but a quarterback in the long run is the best pick , cause they don’t have to do much besides throw and sometimes run to get the first down

ray lewis was a freak of a defensive player.when they called the team out it wasn't a qb's name but ray's that they called out as ray lewis's falcons.i can not recall any other defensive player so honored.so they'd have to be on ray's level or better to be more important then the qb.i haven't seen any player that honored as to be seen as leader of the team and winning a super bowl did they win twice or three times i think twice but more then one was due to ray.few if any men can do that today because you can't hit qb's anymore.

5:23 I'm a Niners fan but I have to admit I had the same reaction as Shannon. Skip is a knobpot.

We need more Ray Lewis on the show! #DefenseAllDay #OffenseIsABunchOfDivaFuckz

I look at it this way if you have a suspect O Line blocking for a Great QB the O could suffer. On the other hand if you have a Great DT he can make others better because you're not blocking 2 on 1 and possibly even keeping a RB or FB in to help with protection...BUT in the same breath... a Great QB can make the right adjustments and get the ball out of his hands to playmakers....on any given day it's a Toss up

Think about it if your defence locks up and allows 0 points the entire game (I know this dont happen but I'm trying to keep it simple) then all your offence has to do is go up to the 35 yard line and score 3 points and thats it you win

Ray Lewis knows how to cancel out Tom Brady??? He is literally like 4-12 against Tom Brady. Show some respect. You want to talk about high standard, look at the standard Brady is held to.

That final question that skip asked ray certainly aged well lol. Newton the next 5 years lol

i always click to see wat ray has to say but joy omg 😍😍😍

Just look at the Panthers or the broncos right now both have incredible linebackers but no qbs to actually score the points to win

Von Miller, Super Bowl 50. Fantastic example.

Did skip lowkey compliment Lebron?

🤣🤣🤣 equipment manager killed me

They are all right in regards to what they are trying to explain. Good discussion nonetheless

"Oh no! I like Von Miller!" Epic answer.

5 years later, Ray liked Von Miller and Aaron Donald... look who just won the superbowl 👀👀

Ray Lewis is one of my favorite football players all time great

I mean look at the panthers in 2015 and the packers(ish) 2016, they're offense alone carried that team, a defense matters more in post season then regular and only if all pieces mix together.

This aged well🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man looking back.. Skip was wrong on everything here lol

Here is the thing about defensive versus offensive, if you have the best qb in the nfl, your wide receivers will improve automatically. But with defensive players, it's different

it's a team effort you need both

The woman finally speaks up and says he has a beach house in Malibu. Lmao

Im picking Ed reed over anybody that has ever played.

Look at the Steelers last year😭 all I gotta say (Steelers fan btw still love em)

This one here is good would you take a quarterback or a defensive lineman as the first pick for your team. I got to go with the quarterback my second pic would be a defensive lineman.

A QB job may be more significant, but Donald is more dominant at his position than any QB at their position.

Its not even close a dominate QB is worth about 3-4 defensive players. Look at Deshawn Watson and the Texans. Clowney is a 1st overall pick playing at a high level QB went down the season was over. Watt playing as good as can possibly be expected couldn't make up for Brock Osweiler. Its the same for every other position. Joe Thomas best in the business OT can't win a game with mediocre QB play. Would I rather have a lights out defense and special teams with an Ok QB or a lights out QB and an Ok defense and special teams is a different question. The answer is in on that question too Ravens Giants Buccaneers Bears Seahawks Broncos won SBs with avg QB who didn't make mistakes and great D.

Well when the broncos had gotten their most recent ring they had the best pass rush altogether and a dominant qb in Peyton Manning(The Sheriff)

Charles Haley was the guy that made me realize what Ray Lewis is talking about. That dude changed the complexion of so many games on that Dallas team. I saw that dude on Dallas reach over and grab the QB on a double team. Then the next play grab the running back and throw him like a rag doll. Incredible to watch.

So Tom Brady Vs JJ I'll take the GOat

The pats answer this question and finish argument lol

🐐 of linebackers ..#RayLewis

You need them both. One does not work without the other. That’s why it’s called a Team!

Ray is being biased....you can't tell me you take ANY defensive player over Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady still finds a way to squeeze into this argument about DEFENSIVE players, and of course it's Skip "Brady" Bayless who brings it up.

One of the reasons why im so glad the 49ers went and got solomon thomas and reuben foster AND got extra picks in the process. We need to build the rest of the team and then get a QB when it comes up. Maybe kirk cousins or be patient for a good draft class. And thanks bears

I love it so much more when they talk football on undisputed. Shannon is so much more fun to listen to when he talks football. for obvious reasons

Ray killed that dude. SMH. Great player but we would have never seen it had it went the other way. 52 got bodies on and off the field. LMAO people they built a statue of him.... Liked him to so definitely no hate but I remember when that happened clearly and it was real shaky baby. Right after came a Super Bowl title and a HOF career with another Super Bowl title... Ray is a Lucky dude...

yeah a dominant defensive player would have brought back the Patriots their 5th championship after being down 28-3 in the 3rd quarter of a Superbowl.

When Brady won his 1st Super Bowl he was carried by an elite defensive unit. Mcginist, Law, Seymour, Milloy, etc. 2001 Patriots was a defensive team. So, really it all depends on the structure of your team at the time and how players progress during their careers.

My guy A Donald played the Super Bowl against 42 year old Tom Brady and couldn't even get close to his his face. He was defeated by a simple adjustment of double teaming him on the line and when the time came for him to be on the 1v1 he was already frustrated and out of the game. You take the QB over a single defensive player.

Well.... he can have Arron Donald I’ll take my Tom Brady lmao foh

No way Khalil Mack is a better football player then Derek Carr overall. But as great as Mack is and he is good we can win games without him. Derek Carr I'm not sure we can win one game without him.

It all depends on what kinda defensive player you're talking about, if he's on the line okay, but your not going to far with a good corner or safety so QB win this discussion

4:35 crazy how this turned out.

And look what Aaron did in superbowl

skip trying to argue with 2 NFL players 1 of which is a top 5 tight end of all time and 1 is the greatest linebacker of all time

Ray lewis the definition of team spirit

At 3:15, Ray Lewis nailed it. Dominant defensive players changed the game to where offensive players fussed for changes. The most notable was when Mel Blount (Steelers) was so dominant that after one season, they changed the rules on defensive coverage; leading to far more pass interference calls and the 5-yard rule. NOBODY on offense ever changed the game so much, that the opposite happened.

That's why he has 2 rings and Brady has 5 😂😂😂

there are 20 qbs that are interchangeable in terms of production there's only one jj

Back here in 2021

I absolutely agree with ray man