Ring Debate - Cam Newton vs Shannon Sharpe (Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Barkley, Malone, Clark, Bonds)

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RING DEBATE - Cam Newton vs Shannon Sharpe (Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Charles Barkley, Malone, Caitlin Clark, Barry Bonds)
Shannon Sharpe: I believe you can be great without winning a championship. But in order for us to add the -est you have to have won a championship.
Cam Newton: You’re thinking about a lot of determining factors.
SS: The same determining factors that went into winning the MVP.
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@nflmatchuphighlights 23 дні тому

The Lebron Vs Jordan debate ruined how we see great athletes. Everything is ring counting now smh. But we all know Julian Edelman (3 rings) isn’t Larry Fitzgerald (0 rings) & Dan Marino (0 rings) is better than Eli Manning (2 rings). Rings have become insanely overrated

@aaronadams140 23 дні тому

No, rings are the ultimate goal. We all know his isn’t better than Larry

@aaronadams140 23 дні тому

The 2 aren’t equal. Rings start meaning more when you’re in those goat convos

@user-to3yp1qn5h 23 дні тому

Fr it definitely helps if you have championships & show up in the big moment, but at the same time it’s a TEAM sport above all. Sometimes u do plenty to win a championship (Brady throwing for 505 Vs Eagles & still losing) and it’s still not enough. Because it’s a TEAM sport.

@user-tg5nj5mt8s 23 дні тому

@@aaronadams140 wait so Barry Sanders not in the GOAT conversation cuz he didn’t win a ring? But Marshawn Lynch can be since he has a ring?

@aaronadams140 23 дні тому

@@user-to3yp1qn5h everything is a team sport. That still doesn’t change it. He still loss because he didn’t do enough. Stars make the difference.

@10FN0N3 23 дні тому

My only thing about rings. It’s takes a TEAM! One player can’t win a ring. But a team can. It’s such a lop sided argument. Better situation for different players if you think about it.

@ChrisHoward141 23 дні тому

One player can’t accumulate stats either. You literally need everyone else to do their job to get stats. If 10 players do their job and score a TD but one is offsides that negates the TD and the yards associated with it. Try again though👍 Also better situations can give different players better stats too.

@atSlickBoiChris 23 дні тому

⁠@@ChrisHoward141”one player can’t accumulate stats” literally Jordan’s 87 year was just that. One player accumulating stats

@mannylora 23 дні тому

It’s all about WINNING. People try to discredit winning championships as if that’s not why you do this in the first place. You can’t be the greatest in anything if you were never the best in a single year.

@Terror832 22 дні тому

So is Bill Russell the undisputed, unquestioned, unequivocal GOAT in NBA history? 11 rings > 6

@natetrix79 22 дні тому

@@Terror832Exactly!!!! As soon as someone brings up Bill the goal post gets moved. “But the era he played in etc…” Being the G.O.A.T. at your position is mostly about your own stats, winning the most chips is a team accomplishment we just start making it about one player since the start of the 90’s.

@mannylora 21 день тому

@@Terror832 @natetrix79 No, championships is the MINIMUM requirement to be in the conversation for GOAT but it’s not the sole factor.

@sebastiancurran8420 18 днів тому

@@Terror832 you said it not him😂

@LurnWell 14 днів тому

Only the best "team" gets a championship.

@Bodybydubs 23 дні тому

You have to win a ring to be labeled a champion. You play to be a champion. End of discussion.

@rblbatb 23 дні тому

Dan Marino is one of the greatest QBs of all time, and he doesn't have a ring. Terry Bradshaw has multiple rings, and he is not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

@amoore05359 23 дні тому

Terry Bradshaw stats doesn’t even show elite qb at all

@bradleyborno71 23 дні тому

I told my son that Matthew Stafford was Marino reincarnated

@williamcarter9066 23 дні тому

It’s champion champions or bust the standard is what it is!!

@MalevolentBite 23 дні тому

But he can never be the GOAT or in the conversation.

@MalevolentBite 23 дні тому

@@bradleyborno71 stafford got a Ring though!

@MoccasinJay 23 дні тому

Larry Fitzgerald is one of the greatest wide receivers of all time. No rings but he was soooo close to winning one as a legendary playoff performer he is in 09, 10 and 16

@leronmclean9361 23 дні тому

Another example is Barry Sanders.

@MoccasinJay 23 дні тому

@@leronmclean9361 he’s also one of my favorite running backs from the past… have a jersey of him when I was a baby 😅 his highlights are insane 🔥

@nathansimpson5721 18 днів тому

Fitz had a superbowl winning Touchdown. Their defense lost them the championship. Does the defensive performance on that final drive take away from Fitz's moment? I guess that's subjective

@MoccasinJay 17 днів тому

@@nathansimpson5721 I feel that Larry Fitzgerald’s performance can’t be subtracted away only cuz the defense couldn’t hold their own, also Larry was responsible for two of the Cardinals three offensive drives while the defense did create the safety points

@IceColdProfessional 23 дні тому

That hat needs it's own show.

@dankbuds-md5li 23 дні тому

Lol he looks like cat in the hat

@dontdie777 23 дні тому

People will cry and call me broke but that hat is ugly af. 🤷🏾‍♂️ head ahh…

@I0_Invictus_0I 23 дні тому

I love how Shannon approaches these kinds of discussions. You don't have to agree with everything, but you respect his view points. Much love Uncle.

@glennsatterfield1755 23 дні тому

Barry Sanders definitely has the "est" and he aint even ever sniffed a ring. ITS A TEAM SPORT. CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS

@DarrinKirk 23 дні тому

Exactly especially in FOOTBALL ; LAMAR JACKSON CAN NOT RUN ON THE FIELD AND PLAY DEFENSE 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@239jangalang4 23 дні тому

Football can get away with not winning because so many parts have to come together, basketball great players have more of an impact on winning a championship

@ronniebrown6313 23 дні тому

Basketball you play offense and defense

@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH 23 дні тому

Making it into the league is a win all in itself.

@DameSoWavyVevo 23 дні тому

Robert horry got hella rings yu not bout to tell me he’s a greater player then iverson

@brotherLee340 22 дні тому

No. But when Players are relatively close statistically. Rings start to matter.

@DameSoWavyVevo 22 дні тому

@@brotherLee340 true

@johnnyblingg 16 днів тому

Why is that always the go to comparison when trying to downplay the importance of rings? The thing is rings become the divider when we’re discussinga the truly GOAT. Like no one would ever say that Horry was better than AI, but if you’re asking was AI better than Clyde Drexler or Jerry West then rings start to weigh more.

@user-rn9co7jc4t 23 дні тому

Great Discussion Leaves you having two Perspectives

@user-qi5wf1uc3n 23 дні тому

Cam 🛑 stop trying to change the standards of rules.. The ring is sealing the deal.. that's business !

@jada8047 23 дні тому

True but it's a Team Sport.... We can't look at who has more...

@stormGod9999 23 дні тому

A team starts with a great individual that can ring it

@thuglifezeem716 23 дні тому

Yeah but I think that’s for the media. But truly a great qb can’t just bring a bad team to a ring. Look how many times Brady got lucky 🤷🏾‍♂️

@christianshaw2450 23 дні тому

half of the best players to ever play the game aint got a ring.

@stormGod9999 23 дні тому

@@christianshaw2450 half the “best players” are merely only marketed the best. There are many individuals who impact the game at a high level who aren’t being marketed. Just like the engineers who were work horses behind Steve Jobs , bill gates and mark Zuckerberg creations.

@thecomediankodybean 23 дні тому

Karl Malone was not a shot away that was game 6 not 7

@JackieLastrada 22 дні тому

I guess he assumed he would win the next one.😏

@yousleepimup 23 дні тому

I honestly think the HOF gives you the est.

@Bella_Kilori 23 дні тому

Cam is defending himself in this conversation. 3 winning seasons as a starting QB just doesn’t cut it

@ezekwu 23 дні тому

shut up...

@thuglifezeem716 23 дні тому

Tell that to Andrew luck lol

@thuglifezeem716 23 дні тому

I don’t think so. He’s just saying that people always judge QBs on wins but that’s really ridiculous

@blackroth90 23 дні тому

Bruh you are absolutely right..... Anybody saying anything else is a hater

@-JAVY- 23 дні тому

How many seasons did he play?@@thuglifezeem716

@Saucelight88 23 дні тому

I’m not a cam stan or anything like that but man this dude is really good with his sports knowledge and his delivery. Him and RG3 are great media personalities.

@-JAVY- 23 дні тому

Except rg3 says a lot of things out of shock jock. Doesn't seem truly genuine

@1destinyslegacy 23 дні тому

Love how Shay respectfully disagrees until Cam had no choice BUT 2 accept that 'chips do matter...

@andrewjones6598 23 дні тому

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@JP-rv6hg 23 дні тому

this is Cam trying to justify his greatness because he didn't win....

@undzad 23 дні тому

facts

@phenomfacemob1011 23 дні тому

That's not true. I mean unless YOU TALKED TO HIM AND HE TOLD YOU THAT

@MoccasinJay 23 дні тому

Cam is still a QB Great despite not winning a superbowl ring. same with Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dan Marino and Barry Sanders

@jada8047 23 дні тому

2015 Panthers should of won because Peyton was like 40 percent healthy lol

@yarddawg6151 23 дні тому

Based off of your comment…at the peak of their respective careers…who would you rather have as your starting QB to build a team from scratch…between Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning and Cam Newton?

@4thMoore 23 дні тому

So Bo Jackson ain’t great?!🤬

@stevekasan3105 23 дні тому

Exactly, Bo is one of the greatest athlètes ever

@maulxofficial 23 дні тому

Winning a championship is the ultimate goal in sports. Being a champion takes everything to the next level.

@Bodybydubs 23 дні тому

Great is cool, but champions are legendary.

@lulualu100 23 дні тому

Rings should be less of an issue judging an athlete's career legacy in a sports, where a minimum of 9 or more players are required to play at a time in a select sporting game or match. Whereas, athletes playing individual sports or team sports that requires 6 or less players to play at a time, should be judge more harshly in regard to their greatness or legacy.

@candyboy144 23 дні тому

Nothing I hate more than a "what blue shade is the sky?" debate.

@aroundtheway4887 23 дні тому

I use to put him in starting on Madden his last year with the Panthers and run every play 95% of time and win

@juanwoodruff6202 23 дні тому

This is one of the realest conversations about GOAT/ Greatest I’ve heard. Rings are that something extra that separates. There levels to this. Rings should not define an individual’s career or accomplishments on the court, but a ring enhances that greatness because now you have done something that displays your greatness on another level. You have elevated a team not just yourself. But you are still the great player that you are without a ring. Malone is still one of the top Power Forwards in NBA history but you can’t put him above Tim Duncan, but Robert Horry is not above Karl Malone even though he had 7 rings. Great conversation between these two.

@user-ix6ki1ng7j 23 дні тому

Barry Sanders is one of the greatest at his position

@RastaMonJae_35 23 дні тому

Barry's The G.O.A.T at RB

@davidstewart799 22 дні тому

@RastaMonJae_35 did you ever see Walter Payton play?

@taylore2470 23 дні тому

It’s always the guys who have no rings talking about how Championships don’t matter. It seems Cam wants everyone to be judged on “impact”, raw talent, and potential.

@darenholloway6013 23 дні тому

Everybody can't be the "Greatest"

@digfitness7598 23 дні тому

That's how I feel about the "Goat" conversation. You can be the best of your Era, BUT NOT the "goat."

@unc54 23 дні тому

I think Shannon's argument works in general but I think Caitlin Clark is a good "against" argument. All the other players that Shannon mentioned were part of the UConn machine and they all had great teammates whereas Caitlin Clark pretty much dragged Iowa to relevance herself. Also when you break it down by position, especially in the NFL where aside from QB we don't really hold rings against any other position. Emmitt Smith doesn't get put over Barry Sanders despite having 3 rings.

@yarddawg6151 23 дні тому

On an individual player impact level…you can never compare football to basketball…or almost any other team sport…the game of football has many more moving parts to account for than most other sports.

@thechosenone9182 23 дні тому

You don’t need rings to be the greatest. Rings = My team is the greatest. MVP = I am the greatest.

@sstruks3773 23 дні тому

Rings are a Team Award

@koyron26 21 день тому

I love the fact that Cam Newton is talking about the Baltimore Ravens and saying we

@chris2k_596 23 дні тому

People still don't get this conversation 😂😂😂 it may give some players a slight boost in rankings but in totality winning a championship in a team sports is not based off a singular player efforts 😂 it takes"Team" effort and most of the time sprinkle of right time right place 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ it also more than that ring how much that player contribute for that team success

@LeSteeler 23 дні тому

Bron's rings in value>>>>

@m43854 23 дні тому

Gotta get at least one 💍.....you play to win the championship

@g.burney4714 23 дні тому

Question: what is more important to the athlete superbowl? Or hall of fame?

@MoccasinJay 23 дні тому

Steve Nash never won one… in 07 had Tim Donaughy rigging series and the suspensions of Amare and Diaw from getting up a chair… so by those sports fans logics… he’s not great despite being a 3x 1st team and MVP winner

@poohdiddy5326 23 дні тому

Bryce needs cam on the team to push him to be the best.

@raiderpaul8363 23 дні тому

Take that hat off 😂

@nicktru93 23 дні тому

Talent , hustle & dedication. Create the greats ! championships are not always included 🤷🏻‍♂️

@lorenenoch6020 23 дні тому

I never understood why Carolina did that man, how do you make it to a Super Bowl then blow up the team after? Why not try and run it back while the team’s chemistry and momentum is at an all time high?

@thomascrowniii1693 23 дні тому

People need to stop using Jordan as an excuse for people not winning. The man retired TWICE and all the people who allegedly didn't win because of Jordan were still playing duiring those retirements and still didn't win.

@penkima4923 21 день тому

Some did win. Some didn't. Because they had less possible seasons to win. Because of Jordan.

@infinityblue1568 23 дні тому

I love Cam he played for my favorite team the Patriots I had so much fun using him on Madden bro there are just some guys it’s fun to play as in the video game they make for the sport he was my favorite to play with

@BSmitty4rm8Fitty 23 дні тому

Superbowl rings are overrated if we are being honest. For the most part, Superbowls are won in the front office.

@macrossluv 23 дні тому

I disagree with Cam because have zero Championships without Jordan. So Jordan was the deciding factor, one player. If you can’t lead your team to a championship you can’t be considered great, but good.

@Thadarkknyte82 23 дні тому

Football is such a team sport. All 3 levels have to be on point that SB day.

@InvictusRed1911 23 дні тому

Video dropped a minute ago and is 8 mins and y'all already got comments lol relax

@spidergrafxxx 23 дні тому

Cry about it

@BigMikeBell1 23 дні тому

At his position, who better than Barry Bonds?

@thomascrowniii1693 23 дні тому

Whats more important impact or championships? Since the point is to WIN the answer is CHAMPIONSHIP.

@christahphur4189 23 дні тому

Seems Cam is trying to defend this for his own sake 😭😹

@Autobots12344 23 дні тому

Kobe won all his chips with Derek Fisher

@charactersource8134 23 дні тому

I agree with Shannon you can be great but to be the greatest you need chips

@ocampbell1954 23 дні тому

Jobe was nit guarding the best player. Ron Arrest was.

@larrywilliam5476 23 дні тому

Barry Sanders

@j2323j 23 дні тому

RN🥷

@matthewcharboneau733 23 дні тому

Eli Manning has 2 SB rings, both coming from him beating Brady in those games

@ambition0516 23 дні тому

Ppl talk about rings in team sports like the person who they’re supporting in the argument was just out there all by themselves. The media probably the reason Pippen started to dislike Jordan.

@shortwavebitesforever 23 дні тому

SPORTS IS ALL ABOUT WINNING, YOU DON'T TAKE AWAY THEIR INDIVIDUAL GREATNESS BUT STILL, WINNING IS IMPORTANT. CAM SOUNDS SALTY

@user-ihaveNegritudeue2nq1fh8m 23 дні тому

They missed out on Cam Newton as not winning nothing too

@CashNYC 23 дні тому

Cam we on Man time stop it bro

@bobbullethalf 23 дні тому

I am sort of torn between winning Superbowl rings and athletic awards. It would be ideal if you were an MVP and also won the Superbowl, instead some rookie first year player gets a ring and you played 0ver 10 years and received nothing, I would be kind of sick, I guess.

@brianturner4760 23 дні тому

Cam has an excuse for everything

@undzad 23 дні тому

yep

@sever427 23 дні тому

Man i wish Mr. Newton would be the Atlanta Falcons QB

@KillTheBoxScore 23 дні тому

Cam speaking facts. People are obsessed with rings in TEAM sports but its proven there is plenty of luck involved, not counting injury luck. Its honestly just boomer logic and it won't die unfortunately lol

@1destinyslegacy 23 дні тому

I agree 2 a point...I would say that if your best player is also tue hardest working...if the others aren't putting in the same work 4 success......move them like Kobe asked when he got Pau and his crew...sonues it's a TEAM sport, but ONE individual can be the difference between becoming immortal or just being good enough...

@ChrisHoward141 23 дні тому

Why do you play the game if not to win? Also ANY measurable statistic is a TEAM effort. If 10 out of 11 do their job and one person is offsides or out of position the play is negated no matter how spectacular it was. Try again little guy.

@EaglesFan95 23 дні тому

Cam speaking facts

@Krepkor 23 дні тому

I say whoever is the most entertaining and winning IN THEIR ERA give them the goat status if we arent talking about championships.

@cameronwallace55 23 дні тому

Cam is just saying this cause he never won a chip lmao. I feel what he’s saying but I think I have Unc’s back on this one.

@seungholee4892 10 днів тому

Barry Bonds is arguably the greatest hitter in baseball history

@JetBlack2024 23 дні тому

To be an est then winning is a requirement. You can be great but only the ‘best’ win. You play to win. Can’t say you est if you not ever get the ultimate goal. But yeah only people that didn’t win seem to don’t think so. And to really end this there’s guys with plenty rings we don’t consider best or great. But they got them. Just because you got a great stat line don’t mean you an est or a great. There’s plenty guys with the stats but nothing to show for it. It’s called empty stats and achievements.

@Sirloin2k 22 дні тому

You can't have that conversation with someone who never won a ring because they try to justify how you can put them on the same level

@antjr5223 23 дні тому

Facts we do need to start holding owners accountable

@MalevolentBite 23 дні тому

Kaepernick had a better Super Bowl game than Cam Newton. Now, let that sink in 😅.

@j2323j 23 дні тому

Barry Sanders #20

@slg5660 21 день тому

Winning matters at the end of the day you can form any other excuse you want for it but without a championship in any form or sport you will be considered 2nd fiddle without 1, no matter the other persons skills, stats etc..

@MannysTechWorld 23 дні тому

Errmm if I played for UConn I would win a chip too

@The_Darius_King 23 дні тому

Is there anyone that would take Eli Making over Dan Marino? If not, case closed.

@jetaveli 23 дні тому

My boi cam was trying to fight that EST ring convo but at the end like always rings win 🤷🏾‍♂️ just something u can’t run from

@Dre-xc2no 7 днів тому

Cam kinda phrased it in an odd way, by saying he didn't respect Kobe's championships with Shaq, as much. But clearly the two he won without Shaq, cemented his greatness. It made it easier to look back, and project that a younger Kobe with a good supporting cast, and no Shaq, would've still contended for championships.

@darthkermit4617 23 дні тому

The championship argument is flawed. but I get it. rings is the only thing people know how to use to separate great players. its a lazy argument but I get it. edit: Barry Bonds it the greatest player I've ever scene and he dont have 1 single chip

@matthewwallace9243 23 дні тому

To be the greatest you have to have great seasons and win championships, if you dont win a ring you can be a great player just not one of the greatest

@sora4440 23 дні тому

Lamar Jackson has been in the NFL for 6 seasons and has had two league MVP awards(the latest one undeserving). Its no coincidence that in his 2 MVP seasons, hes also had the number 1 defense and number 1 running game. Lamar Jackson has had the ideal situation to at least have one championship, but he hasn't gotten it done due to his inability to consistently throw from the pocket. Hes had the Number 1 defense, great rbs, at least one reliable receiver(All pro Mark Andrews), and the best kicker in nfl history. The Ravens are built like those early 00s Patriots teams and they just need a qb to not turn the ball over and sometimes make a good throw...

@DogmenHardcastle 23 дні тому

How are we supposed to just listen to Cam talk seriously with that hat?

@royjones0824 23 дні тому

Rings/playoffs do indeed factor into being the greatest of all time .. the playoffs in every sport is where the best of the best teams play like you can say oh Brady played against the bills and the jets his whole career of course he will have a great regular season record ( in the playoffs he’s played the colts/broncos(manning) the Rey Lewis ravens the Steelers… same with Peyton/mahomes and others like look at their divisions they don’t play against much but the playoffs is where they play the peak competition

@Omerta-lo8wn 23 дні тому

I don’t have a ring but even I know you need one to be considered greatest

@vipergaming6965 23 дні тому

Only four QBs are going into the hall of fame who are currently playing. Aaron Rodger, Patrick Mahomes,Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson. I know some may say Wilson is debatable but I'ma also gonna say I don't think he is first ballot

@antoniodortch8938 23 дні тому

Why Shannon ain’t tell him that Jordan shot happened in game 6

@user-js5ux5zb7q 23 дні тому

Championships equate to greatness in individual sports NOT team sports. Anyone thinks any different is a sheep that let's the media think for them. Eli Manning by no stretch of the imagination is a greater QB than Dan Marino. Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson are all time greats they just ended up in Detroit

@selfmaderish4690 16 днів тому

The fans control the value but at the same time, upset their faves don’t have a ring 😂

@DracoSzn_ 23 дні тому

Cam ain’t going to agree cause he don’t have one

@TheForbiddenOne55 23 дні тому

Dan Marino never won one... so by today's sports fan standards he's not great

@Keviekev115 23 дні тому

Listen. He’s great, just can’t be in the goat convo

@rtdsbg1 23 дні тому

Did you not just hear Shannon say you can be great without a championship.

@TheForbiddenOne55 23 дні тому

@@rtdsbg1 I'm not talking about what Shay saying. They're having this discussion for a reason and that's because people, generally sports fans and media, act as if a ring is the barometer on individual player's success. I'm not saying that Shay or Cam is acting as if winning a ring cements greatness, I'm merely talking about how the general sports fans' see greatness nowadays. Sorry for the confusion.

@javarissteverson 22 дні тому

Who is Dan Marino??

@edsalisch4322 23 дні тому

The closer you get to individual sports the more important championships mean towards being great. A boxer needs to become the champ and then maintain it for a length of time. Same thing for golfers and tennis players. So basketball it is more important than football because football has way more moving parts. The fact is Lawrence Taylor is the GOAT. He does have two rings. He revolutionized the game.

@gregmoore18113 23 дні тому

Cam making excuses. You can coulda shoulda woulda ANYTHING. U gotta get it done

@leronmclean9361 23 дні тому

Ring counting is lazy because it involves things that aren't in the individual player's control. The only thing that concerns me is how a player performs in big moments no matter the outcome.

@eazybreezy2872 23 дні тому

Yes it does suppress her greatness to an extent, but your pro career isn’t defined or based off off your college champs!!! But your professional ones yes that’s how your defined!!! Lemme ask you this is Brady still the gist with those rings???