Is Everything Made of Matter or Consciousness? | Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup in Conversation
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День томуIs everything in the world made of matter or consciousness? What exactly are matter and consciousness? Rupert Spira joins Bernardo Kastrup, scientist and author, in a deep exploration of science and spirituality and how they inevitably meet on the same path to truth.
The conversation proves that anyone, from any background, can come to the same universal understanding that non-duality teaches; that peace and happiness is who we truly are.
Rupert came to this understanding through 40 years of spiritual practice in the vedantic and tantric traditions, while Bernardo studied the professional fields of computer science and engineering.
Moderated by Simon Mundie, the discussion covers various topics as Rupert and Bernardo dissect solipsism, idealism and materialism. Through it all, they both came to the same recognition which is that peace and love surpasses all understanding, and is the very nature of everyone and everything.
Timestamps:
00:00 How Rupert and Bernardo Met
02:33 Spiritual and Scientific Backgrounds Meet
08:04 Physics, Metaphysics, Perennial and Non-Dual Understandings
11:00 What is Reality?
14:49 Sense Perceptions and Experiencing
24:30 Solipsism, Idealism, and Materialism
27:48 Everything is in Consciousness
34:50 What is Consciousness?
40:00 What is Matter?
46:30 Qualities of Experience
50:40 Science and the Church
56:20 Learning From Suffering
1:01:00 The Peace That Passeth All Understandings
1:10:00 Non Dual Understanding and Misconceptions
1:16:20 The Purpose of Life
1:26:20 Refining Your Life Through Non Duality
1:28:00 What is Wrong With Materialism?
1:29:10 The Brain, The Mind, and Individuality
1:38:00 Individual vs The Ego
1:43:00 Who Am I? Our True Identity
1:47:00 What Is Accurate About Idealism?
1:52:21 Phenomenal Consciousness Vs Meta-Consciousness
1:59:00 Dissociative Identity Disorder
2:05:00 Three Consequences of the Non-Dual Understanding
2:09:40 Death, Associations and Dreams
2:17:00 The Result of the Non Duality
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@franks435 Рік тому
As a 70+ year oldie, what a blessing to have lived long enough to witness this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
@coachkathifrank Рік тому
I am also 70+ and I found this as remarkable. Experience can lead to wisdom and ultimately understanding impossible to those younger.
@VedantaKesari Рік тому
I'm 72. Ditto.
@jamesbek9682 Рік тому
I cherish this event and am so grateful to have it available for many re-experiencings moving forward. Thank you all.
@squamish4244 Рік тому
As a 43-year-old, I am excited about all that lies ahead in terms of the science of mind and where that will lead to in terms of the development of new skillful means to accelerate and ease access to the spiritual path and lead to many more people becoming enlightened than currently are. Psychedelics and neurotechnology will play a vital role.
@mindfulkayaker7737 Рік тому
I am almost 70 and I am so happy to find the teachings of Rupert, Bernardo and Francis Lucille before the end of this body mind carriage.
@surrendertoflow78 2 роки тому
I’m trained as a neuroscientist and this was exactly what I needed to hear. What a fantastically complimentary pair Rupert and Bernardo are. Exquisite. Thank you so much.
@markcallaghan8389 Рік тому
could not have put it better spot on
@danblair6480 Рік тому
@@markcallaghan8389 opppp
@ledileka1078 10 днів тому
❤❤❤
@tyanite1 2 роки тому
Growing up in a Native American family, I got the biggest shock of my life when I went off to the university. It was my first time away from home. After a while, I realized that the people around me did not see their friends and relatives as part of themselves. People regarded themselves as separate entities from their family, friends, their environment. That was entirely foreign to me, unthinkable.
@jayamiller Рік тому
wow, thank you for sharing this!
@shivadasa Рік тому
I guess you did not consider these “people around me” and the environment which was “entirely foreign to me” as being you.
@theglowjob. Рік тому
@@shivadasa just a clarification- the concept of hyper individuality is what was foreign to them. They didn’t mention or allude to people being foreign to them 🤍
@theglowjob. Рік тому
Yes, especially seeing as North America is hyper individualistic as a society.
@keisi1574 День тому
@@shivadasaYou way over-thought it n over‐shot it. I've gotten outa the groove- and feel less like my very own self- uncomfortable n unhealthy; other times I've felt very much connected to being my true authentic self. It's all about what I'm consuming. For whatever time period. And habits n routines. Healthy vs unhealthy. Natural vs unnatural. It's actually all very simple- and very simple to understand.
@tpanagides 2 роки тому
One of the most profound conversations I heard in my entire 55 years of living. A tour de force of deep "soul and heart" thinkers who expose the fictional layers of reality and reveal the ever-present truth of who truly are. Just purchased Rupert's up-and-coming book and subscribed to Bernardo's content online. Thanks for the multiple paradigm shifts you sparked and the beautiful pointers which put me in a space of pure peace and joy. We are blessed. Love you both so very much.
@spiraldynamics6008 2 роки тому
Is the consciousness produced by the brain? This is the ultimate question nobody answered...
@Paakku97 2 роки тому
@@spiraldynamics6008 More like the brain is created by consciousness
@richardvasquez27 2 роки тому
@@Paakku97 ssD
@spiraldynamics6008 2 роки тому
@@Paakku97 nobody know this is just a belief
@Paakku97 2 роки тому
@@spiraldynamics6008 I'd say recognizing that you are conscious requires the minimum amount of belief, since everything else seems to appear in it and build on top of that fact of consciousness. Did you ever experience anything outside consciousness? Or is that more of a belief than just the simple observation of the fact of consciousness? A brain existing prior to a consciousness requires more assumption and belief than a brain simply appearing in consciousness directly.
@amaliagrassi6870 Рік тому
Oh my goodness. I just found gold. I don't know how or why this video was suggested to me but I've just finished it after taking about three days to listen. (Each day a little bit whilst drinking my coffee and looking at the sky and the trees out of my bedroom window.) l've just finished it and I feel elevated and happy. I am thrilled to have been party to such a video and would have never imagined I'd ever understand much at all of the content (given such a title.) But these three men have spoken with such clarity, simplicity and elegance that I have come away understanding more than I could have possibly imagined. And what a release it feels like to remember that we are so much more than the physicality of our experience, this is truly uplifting and feels so liberating when navigating the challenges life presents. It's been a sheer delight accessing this video and I feel like I've instantly fallen in love with the minds of these men, such is the positivity of the experience. I shall listen against and again.
@compellingpeople 2 роки тому
Please leave this video up for my future children to see.
@Way827 8 місяців тому
The choice of words really helps. Rupert and Bernardo compliment each other so well and Simon asks perfect questions to help people understand.
@IAmSimonMundie 13 днів тому
Thank you
@ethanellappa 2 роки тому
Simon, you did an amazing job moderating this conversation 👏
@IAmSimonMundie 3 місяці тому
Thank you :)
@matteomoreschini8569 7 місяців тому
Ciao Rupert and Bernardo! I just want to say that I completely agree with Rupert when he says that Bernardo has a specific purpose: conveying this message in a scientific and rational way allows those with a background like mine to "feel" it more deeply! I don't know how to put it, but it's as if you two allow me to see the same "object" from two different perspectives, and now I see it in its entirety! Thank you
@lp5715 2 роки тому
Fantastic. I have never seen this moderator before. I SO appreciate the questions he asks...it's as if he knows when I am confused and asks Rupert and Bernardo for clarification. So many seemingly disparate threads pulled together. Thank you!!
@ravenflight5622 2 роки тому
I so agree
@wolflarsen3447 2 роки тому
This is one of the greatest conversations I've ever heard. ❤
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
Try learning Basic Logic and How we should use its rules in our reasoning and your opinion about this conversation will change.
@wolflarsen3447 2 роки тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 you don't understand. Simple as.
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@wolflarsen3447 So two new agers try to sell books to irrational, ignorant and gullible individuals....and Its me who doesn't understand? lol ok
@wolflarsen3447 2 роки тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Maybe one day you will understand .
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@wolflarsen3447 Υοu sound like a christian saying "maybe when you die you will see I am right"?
@cynfowler1 2 роки тому
There are no words to express the profound understanding and pure love this video provides. In my 2 years on this metaphysical journey, this video is the one video I would share with anyone on a similar journey. Covers every base!
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
Human are pattern seeking animals....we tend to see meaningful patterns even when they are totally absent
@philstevenson6067 2 роки тому
Have never heard any of Bernardo's opinions before. Can honestly say his eloquence and descriptions of the nature of reality are beautifully explained and understandable.
@jonathansolero7 2 роки тому
If you’re interested in analytical philosophy there’s a 4hr podcast of Bernardo at a YT channel called Theories of everything
@AriRuuska 2 роки тому
If you are interested of scientific point of view of this topic I really recommended Bernando's books. He's brilliant in scientific argumentation.
@cashglobe 2 роки тому
He’s FANTASTIC. From the hundreds, if not thousands of intellectuals/academics/philosophers/mystics I’ve listened to, he’s seriously one of the most brilliant. He’s such a deep thinker. Check out some of his most popular videos on his channel, his interview with Curt Jaimungal, and his books.
@danionescu938 2 роки тому
A modern take on idealism. His phd thesis is online. The comission wasn't persuaded but had no arguments... lol... Brilliant person!
@HopyHop1 2 роки тому
I've heard Bernardo's discussions with Jeffery Mishlove on the New Thinking Allowed youtube channel.
@brightchange6065 10 місяців тому
Rupert's happiness is evident on his face - fresh and beautiful!
@mvn17997 4 місяці тому
Having read several of Rupert's books, and one of Bernardo's. This talk is the culmination, the unification of two equivalent approaches to the same universal fundaments. I am 57 now, and the suffering is what took me on a journey to understand and better accept myself, but also to understand the underlying universal truth. And all of that makes suffering less suffering, and meaningful. Thanks for this priceless conversation.
@jonas3590 2 роки тому
these two big boys helped me understand, couldnt done it without the other, needed them both. Absolute legends.
@liamnewsom8583 2 роки тому
Totally
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
they just told you what you wanted to hear.. Easing people's existential and epistemic anxieties is how they make their living.
@liamnewsom8583 2 роки тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 lol what's your alternative then, you act as if helping others and easing anxiety is a bad thing
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@liamnewsom8583 Red Herring, I am here to point out alternatives or condemn practices of helping others. I am pointing out the obvious mistake one makes when stating "they helped me understand". No they didn't, they just told you what you wanted to hear. None of their claims are founded on verified knowledge so their claims can not contain wisdom that could enable our understanding.
@ATOBanana 2 роки тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 it's metaphysics, my man. Literally all of it is what you want to hear. Everything anyone will ever tell you is what they want you to hear. We're on a rock in a universe we know fundamentally nothing about. All we have are mechanics. The math checks out for either or option here. They're just expressing an idea that's been around for centuries. You can be a mopy little negative human all you want, but you're still just playing the role you want to portray. The point to all of this talk and these ideas are to stop taking life so seriously. If you can ever manage that, then you might find some peace. People might be able to come together. The world might drop a little stress. But go off I guess.
@adayinapril581 2 роки тому
I listened to this many days ago and commented, yet I still can't get this conversation off my mind. It is so potentially transformational. Deep gratitude to you for intelligently hosting and to these two men who engage in the discussion of this most important of topics.
@artgamesforfun Рік тому
i don't think there has ever been a more important conversation.
@momsazombie1 2 роки тому
I had the same whirlpool analogy come to mind some 20 years ago when I realised I couldn’t really separate myself from the universe, that I had no edges but a definite centre….people thought I was losing my sanity when I said that I knew I was fundamentally God experiencing herself within an image that was only a surface. I feel somewhat cursed and blessed to have this understanding within me but I’m glad I have company and more and more people are opening to questioning materialism.
@margrietbrandsma000 2 роки тому
Thank you for your experience. Grace.
@The2005eddy 2 роки тому
What brought on this experience?
@BoRisMc 2 роки тому
this is an unescapable intuition yep!
@Self-Duality 2 роки тому
Bless you!!!
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@championchap " “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.”" - Richard Feynman...
@nsbd90now 2 роки тому
Rupert Spira is so cool because he talks about "The human experience of reality." Which is sure different than talking about "The truth of reality." He's never goofy or "mystical" in the bad sense. But definitely mystical in the good sense when he goes into "just awareness/consciousness/that-which-knows" and then "the objects of awareness/consciousness/that-which-knows". It's really such a crisp and clean and clear and contemporary way of talking about it. Definitely terrific to hear Bernardo Kastrup articulate and discuss it with good questions from the mod.
@Brad-RB Рік тому
This is a very good conversation. However, the way sacrifice manifests itself in every decision we make must be integrated. Imagining ourselves as a cat is useful. Imagining ourselves as the steer that was slaughtered so we can have food, leather, tallow, etc., is on another level. Forests are sacrificed to make way for farmland to grow vegan food. Trees are sacrificed for lumber and books. Children are being sacrificed to mine cobalt used in electric vehicle batteries. If what we sacrifice are just clumps of particles, then it doesn't matter. If all that we sacrifice is part of a greater consciousness, then we need a value structure to guide us. Sadly, most people outsource the sacrifice process today and because of this, the feedback loop of their actions has been severed.
@RichardDownsmusic 2 роки тому
The Good, The True and The Beautiful in one single conversation thank you 🙏
@jonathansolero7 2 роки тому
Currently reading Kastrup’s book and practicing Rupert’s self enquiry teachings 🙏🏽 Thank you both ♥️
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
he knows how to sell books....just tell them what they want to hear.
@itssameLuigi 2 роки тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 you seem doubtful
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@itssameLuigi do you prefer gullible people?
@OckyAsFUCK Рік тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 may I ask why you felt this comment was necessary? Honest question, not trying to be an as*
@gfujigo Рік тому
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Interesting. What points in particular you feel are “telling people what they want to hear”? What evidence and observations do you feel contradict Bernardo’s claims? I am curious. 🤔 Thanks. 🙂
@JenNagleInk 2 роки тому
1:25:21 Its also giving up attachment to outcome which is by far one of the most menacing addictions.
@NLindeke 8 днів тому
I greatly appreciate the openness with which they discuss suffering, especially Bernardo. I think there is this impression that when a person fully understands non duality, they are suddenly freed from any sort of suffering, and I think it’s this impression that causes many to feel like they don’t “get it” because they still carry that suffering, or to put it differently, they still have to work through it. It reminds of something Thomas Keating once said: “God is not necessarily going to take away all our difficulties. He does something much more wonderful, which is to join us in them.”
@AG-pics 2 роки тому
I think the paraphrasing of Simon's quote of Alan Watts misconstrued a bit of Rupert's awnser to it. Simon quoted the 'purpose' of life is just simply to be alive, but the actual wording of the quote is 'meaning' of life not purpose. Meaning and purpose are quite different in that regard. I think the actual Watts quote Simon spoke of actually aligns with what is being talked about here, in that it the meaning of life is to be alive, is to be totally aware of being alive, to be fully aware of awareness, and the implications that has. As Rupert said to be simply aware of being aware. As that is the fullness of life that we can experience in every moment. Or at least that's my current understanding of that quote Now Alan Watts' quotiations on purpose is a whole other topic, that more falls in line with eastern wu wei, purposelessness, like nature is purposeless, but the purpose paradoxically is for nature to just Be, just be pure being, you can call that purposeless, but it's purpose is to just be. But is our purpose to just be simply be then? Because like Rupert said, then we should already be fulfilled? But then i guess you could say nature is rather 'meaningless' in that it just IS, like regarding to the quote, the meaning is just to BE. I hope that made some sort of sense, thought this was an interesting take Rupert had on it. All in all thoroughly enjoyed this conversation!
@alexchamizo7935 3 місяці тому
“It’s about surrendering to what nature wants to do throughh you.” MMMM 👏🏼👏🏼
@TheFlexLex 2 роки тому
“The intellect is the bouncer of the heart.” 💗
@elzen57 2 роки тому
THE most exciting talk I've ever heard. SO glad i found this, so grateful to everybody. OOOH! So happy! I'll just listen to it 10 more times, so that I really take it all in ;-))
@janwag6856 28 днів тому
I listen to this video multiple times and hear additional wisdom resonate each time. Thank you 🙏 . Much love for all humanity and each one of us.
@carlosazuaje 2 роки тому
I usually don't comment on videos but it's been an absolute joy to listen to these 3 men talking (for the second time 🙂) Rupert, I love your clarity, depth, and kindness. Simon, I love your humility and genuine smile. And Bernardo, I love your intellectual explanations (I am one of those intellectually driven people and I very much appreciate the perspective you bring into the mix!) Thank you guys, for the extremely important work that you do! I look forward to another one of these!
@toszatesze3796 3 місяці тому
Nice.
@grzegkania 2 роки тому
What Rupert and Bernardo are saying here is amazing and they have expressed their ideas in many other videos, but it is Simon who made them express their ideas on the most important things in one video. Big thanks to all of you.
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
Its not just amazing......its way to good to be true and of course unfalsifiable.
@IAmSimonMundie 3 місяці тому
Thank you :)
@victoriahangula382 2 роки тому
Thank you both Benade & Rupert for teaching the world. How to stop suffering and be free and have to look in the self as the awareness. Keep it up. 💯
@monakelly1720 2 роки тому
“The finite mind is a cluster or localisation of thinking and perceiving. As such it is not problematic, it is simply the mean through which the universe perceives itself, in the form we perceive it. The finite mind is not synonymous with the separate self or the ego. The ego is the belief that the finite mind defines who we are. They are 2 different things.” So much clarity in a few sentences 🚀🤩❤️
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
Yes....people need to believe their existence has a meaning from a cosmic aspect.
@johnlucas3834 3 місяці тому
Enlightening!!!!! Thank you
@mp9810 2 роки тому
Bernard - you're reaching the audience you mentioned. I'm one of those intellectuals, and a senior manager at a large corporate. You've reached me and convinced my intellectual bouncer that people like Rupert are well worth listening to. Keep going!
@mp9810 2 роки тому
@@nealdee1755 yup, atheist materialist here. Or I was until a few weeks ago. Now i'm finding myself on a bit of a spiritual journey. I still really dislike that word though, due to how negatively I (and the majority) view it.
@mp9810 2 роки тому
@@nealdee1755 yeah, not keen on yoga either, since that word has been hijacked by girls in tight pants 😆. I've tried LSD actually, a couple of times - but it was probably 15yrs ago now. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Have been toying with the idea of doing again. Am very interested in 5meoDMT, but i'm not sure I can source any - I don't really have those types of contacts anymore 😄. I don't even know if there is any in my country - i'm not in the US.
@JonasAnandaKristiansson 2 роки тому
@@mp9810 Happy to read. You are ready to begin tasting the True Life
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
Magical thinking is not limited to religious believers. Anyone with epistemic or existential anxieties will subscribe to a death denying ideology. TO be an atheist doesn't mean you are rational.
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@nealdee1755 as I said to MP , being an atheist doesn't mean you are rational. We are all acceptable to comforting ideas and death denying ideologies.
@ollimontonen1439 2 роки тому
One of the greatest discussions I've ever watched! I've been approaching life from the non-dual perspective for awhile now, but especially Bernardo's insights on death were revolutionary. I never actually thought about it, but there is evidence that suggests that the reduction of brain activity correlates with deeper and richer experience. This is a wonderful insight.
@user-hy9nh4yk3p 7 місяців тому
Excellent - this is why mediation can be very useful. Methinks, that God has to be central - in meditation - for the eternal experience and the Divine Presence, now.
@innerlight617 2 роки тому
So thankful to the three of you gentlemen that you made happen this absolutely inspiring conversation!! ॐ ❤
@VKNarayanan 5 місяців тому
Enjoyed listening to you both today, Rupert and Bernado. Keep up the brilliant show. Swamy VKN / Nanniode / India
@AriRuuska 2 роки тому
Perfect combination of deep experiential understanding with art by words and sharp intellectual arguments for them who approach this topic with scientific point of view. I enjoyed a lot of this conversation. Maybe someday there will be book authored together by Rupert and Bernando. :)
@christopherwallis751 11 місяців тому
Absolutely fantastic. The interviewer is not great, as it's clear his understanding is intellectual not experiential, but despite that this interview is simply wonderful.
@gavaniacono Рік тому
The host's honest naivety about the topics (shared by myself also to a much higher degree), and so asking foundational questions that experts often gloss over, is very highly valued, and acvery underrated necessity for any learning.
@pparekh1 2 роки тому
Great talk by the two leading speakers on idealism and non-dualism. Love the point at 22mins that our eyes wouldn’t be able to handle actual perception. Same Vedanta point from Bhagavad Gita when Arjuna asks for special vision to see reality and then confessing he can’t bear the vision as a limited self in chapter 11. Wonderful point
@pparekh1 2 роки тому
. And Rupert’s dream illustration at 31mins is all we need to know about universal consciousness
@Jagombe1 Рік тому
I remembered the same Vedanta point in Chapter 11. Thank you for putting the observation here.
@maryberry6067 2 роки тому
Excellent talk, very good interviewer
@Mickeysternum245 11 місяців тому
For me Simon is the MVP of this. Incredibly well moderated
@IAmSimonMundie 13 днів тому
Thank you
@mariac.delgado6448 2 роки тому
What a splendid high-end debate, such three wonderfully inspired beings!
@jencooper2200 2 роки тому
Fantastic discussion…. Thx so much all of you!🙏🏻
@margrietbrandsma000 2 роки тому
1:21:59 Bernardo : "The key is that it is not about you ... it is what nature wants to do through you or learn through you". I hear his words as speaking from my experience in deep suffering and depression. This is exactly what I have to bring to this world and share, without any form of victimhood. It just is what it is for me these years. I do not expect 'my state of being' depressed to change. I accept it. I do not enjoy it, nor do I wallow in it. It is possible that this will change. I do not seek the change though, because I have learned that that brings me deeper in it. I just live it and know that it somehow serves the purpose of life. I am not searching for 'an answer' because I know that that answer is already here for me. People who avoid the dept of suffering miss out of life itself. I see life as miraculous and know that I am 'carried and loved' in the consciousness/oneness/God that we are. And that does not contradict that the suffering is of value. I am grateful to be in this understanding. It does make the suffering able to bear. I am the moth and the flame, for now., for the sake of the dance.
@steveflorida8699 2 роки тому
The good news is God cares about his planetary sons and daughters. And a personal relationship with God, helps uplift us humans from our mortal challenges to a higher being of purpose and peace.
@GeertMeertens Рік тому
No, you are the flame, the moth is the illusion called ego, which you will see through once you awaken into the dream called life that Bernardo mentions. As Rupert asks Bernardo to close his eyes and report what he experiences without referring to his past he answers: a field of awareness. It is there all the time, has been there all the time. Consciousness. THAT is what you are, not the experiences that appear in it. Exactly the same as in any other dream.
@steveflorida8699 Рік тому
@@GeertMeertens consciousness void of experiences is flightless of growth. To stay with your analogy of the moth. Therefore, experiences are real, because personal consciousness learns from the influence of experiences.
@mR-dc4oq Рік тому
I have had to listen to this discussion a number of times. I’m not sure exactly why. I’m not a stupid person. Some of the ideas are new to me; for instance, the definition and characteristic of materialism. I have only been familiar with the colloquial meaning of it. Regardless, there’s some beauty in this discussion that I have come to enjoy and appreciate. I just wanted to take the opportunity to say thank you for having these two gentlemen on. It was magnificent!
@Ibrahims14 2 роки тому
Poem written by Kabir: The river and its waves are one Q: where is the difference between the river and its waves? When the wave rises, it is the water; and when it falls, it is the same water again. Tell me, Sir, water is the distinction? Because it has been named as wave, shall it no longer be considered as water?
@paztururututu4864 2 роки тому
So good... I have enjoyed very much that conversation. It would be great to have the opportunitie of hearing a second. 😊 Thank you to the three of you. 😊 🙌 ❤🌍❤ 🙏🏽
@carlt570 2 роки тому
Wonderful conversation, superbly moderated. Thank You. There is something about this Consciousness - Matter dichotomy that seems to me to reflect the fundamentally inherent aspect of the human psyche that needs to 'split' (in the psychodynamic meaning of the term). A desire to create 'either/or' positions of perceived stability. What resonated for me was hearing Dr Iain McGilchrist posit his sense that matter seemed most likely a phase of consciousness. (analogous to the phases of water) For me this resonates with my understanding of non-duality, : - neither dualism nor monism. ('both/and' rather than 'either/or') It seems to me that "Everything is made" not 'either' of Consciousness 'or' Matter, but 'both' Consciousness 'and' Matter as different phases of the same fundamental '.........?'
@janetsontilt 2 роки тому
Bravo you three!!!💕
@PJ-wt2zo 2 роки тому
46:40 The hard (heart) problem explained in a way that answered it by itself. That, I call "Original Sin". How naively we have believed an idea and ignored the most obvious thing which is our own simple experiencing. I think the church and other religions' dictatorship and nonesence they came up with, made us trust the science which was itself inflicted. We looked everywhere that offered alittle nicer horizon except our own direct experience. We thought "some one out there knows better than me" because they are more educated, talented, wiser or more angelic . We thought " I am not worthy to know what is what. I am just a sinfull, small, etc... How easy is to go down the hell because of our innate power to make illusion. And I am happy that I saw the emperor is naked. lovely, beautiful, amazing conversation. Rupert, Bernardo and Simon love you all❤
@veronicam8063 10 місяців тому
Beautiful. The joy is real
@Fran-jw1sr Рік тому
Thank you all so much, and a special thank you to Simon. This was just a great interview.
@jkhdabomb 2 роки тому
Wow, what a beautiful and fruitful conversation. This is such a perfect example of "the whole exceeds the sum of its parts", which is really saying something given the quality of each of these individuals.
@SimiJois 2 роки тому
I could hear this in an endless loop. Every time I hear this .. I want to hear it again and again. Thank you so much to all of you 🙏🏽 blissful
@williamjeffreys2980 2 роки тому
The more intelligent a person, the more aware they are of how little they actually know. Spirituality may work the same way.
@TheGoldenWildcat Рік тому
We all know that a couple of hundreds of years of dogmatic blind rationalizations as well as heavy reliance, if not solely on both linear scientism & materialism, neither many times work nor on the rest of the “at best” days, just simply have work, however, it hasn't worked quite even near good enough… let's just say, we will properly never know anything for sure.
@eldonscott9 2 роки тому
THIS. IS. FIRE.❤️🔥
@10use Рік тому
I Identify as a localized whirlpool in a river of infinite consciousness.
@surthing6711 2 роки тому
This has been by far the most helpful and inspiring post since long. It really helped me to transcend the remaining suffering i cant get rid of, similar to bernado.
@margrietbrandsma000 2 роки тому
I am goosebumbed out and all over. This was absolute divine beauty. Wow.
@sbcandmagnum 10 місяців тому
They articulate their thoughts so ingeniously.
@margrietbrandsma000 2 роки тому
At 1:01:40 minutes Bernardo speaks of his suffering. He brings it with such beauty, so genuine, and then Rupert brings it ... ohhh the GRACE ... the acknowledgment of God hearing and seeing us ... deeply, profoundly touched ... thank you ... thank you ... thank you ...
@sakyedhondup 2 роки тому
Several years ago--after watching one of Bernardo's many fascinating videos--I was moved to suggest to him as a comment that if he was not yet familiar with Rupert Spira, I was quite sure he would strongly resonate to him. He replied that this was the second time that he had received this suggestion and that he intended to act upon it. In partaking of this current very nourishing and heart-warming presentation, I feel enormous sympathetic joy in recognizing that my small match-making nudge may have contributed to the happiness that their subsequent friendship has wrought. Thanks and many blessings to you, Simon, for so skillfully hosting and sharing this most delightful and loving banquet.,
@lowcountry0719 6 місяців тому
At different time and a time before. I heard you both and separately and sensed something so joyous.
@Killane10 2 роки тому
I admire both of you and the wisdom you bring to the same place from two very different directions
@Xananta888 2 роки тому
@rupert and @bernardo, @simon, Thank you so much for this. This is a very profound and deep conversation indeed. Would it be possible to share a transcript of this conversation for people to read?
@godwho5365 2 роки тому
This is monumental, we are all greatly privileged to witness this historical moment. This cannot be taken for granted.
@giuliavolken5305 2 роки тому
Simply Great!!! Thank you to sll of you🙏
@ljohnson7124 Рік тому
Stunning conversation I can’t believe I get to listen to these great minds I feel so lucky! Bernardo’s impeccable logical case for “beyond materialism” is the gift Ive waited for all these years as an academic, along with Rupert Spiras “become the screen”
@jens6754 11 місяців тому
I'm immeasurably grateful for content like this. Thank you so much!!
@youtubecanal 2 роки тому
Great chance to listen two of the greatest nondualists thinkers and philosophers. I’ve been following both for 1 year. Great meeting, thank you! Regards from Portugal.
@LarkinVB Рік тому
What a beautiful conversation. I'm into this for 20 years now and this is the one video I would share with anyone interested in the nature of truth and reality. Rupert and Bernado match perfectly with different perspectives of the same source. I would love to see this continued. Thank you!
@adayinapril581 2 роки тому
Incredible conversation! Thank you!
@Aum_shantishantishanti111 2 роки тому
I get all giddy with joy and excitement upon hearing about thy self . And then my heart wells up with love. like a lantern guiding my way home
@jennyrook 2 роки тому
I hope you do it again too! Absolutely a delight, guys, well done.
@Tyguar 2 роки тому
This conversation has made me very emotional. Thank you in ways I cannot describe, but you understand. The quality and clarity of insight transferred through the sound of your voices, is just phenomenal. Thank you thank you and please spread this receipt through which you are serving us the Truth. 🙏🏼❤️
@HelenLoshny 2 роки тому
Agree with other comments that this is the best conversation I’ve heard in my 61 years. A sense of the universe dancing the truth both literally and figuratively through me. Among other things I support people therapeutically with Psychedelic integration and the discussion at the end of the interview about what is going on in these experiences have expanded my capacity in supporting the people I work with. Such a powerful and beautiful example of how following the call to truth yields fruits and benefits for the good of all.
@marybarker4925 Рік тому
What a beautiful conversation. Thank you so much.
@mMark65 2 роки тому
What an incredible conversation with incredible teachers! So greatful for this
@rbaoki 2 роки тому
Grateful for tireless effort, specially Rupert, to share the knowledge which frees one from suffering.
@simonhitchenk9 2 роки тому
How brilliantly Rupert and Bernardo dovetail. As explained by Bernardo at the end. A true privilege to listen to, many thanks.
@magazinevibe 2 роки тому
Filled up my heart... thank you
@gopinathrp 2 роки тому
What an insightful discussion! So beautifully presented and moderated. I loved Rupert Spira's dream metaphor - "Mary falls asleep in London and dreams as Jane in the streets of Paris". The metaphor elaborated; truly unlocked my understanding and things looked more clearer and everything for a moment stood so obvious!! Thanks to Simon, Bernardo and Rupert! 👍
@kimbowater-fill1055 2 роки тому
What a great combination forever grateful.
@nickhowden686 2 роки тому
So much love and wisdom from both. TY x
@musicmoments8510 2 роки тому
Is there a way to find out if Bernardo ever comes to London to do talks? He is right about his role, it is absolutely essential.
@alpetkiewicz6805 2 роки тому
This is one of those things I can never get enough of. This is candy for my curiosity!!! 😃❤
@bishtimt Рік тому
Beautiful 🥰 conversation. The Moderator is amazing.. curious and enlightened 👏👏🙏
@rsr9200 2 роки тому
Kudos to all three participants in this video for this insightful and thought-provoking discussion. Admittedly, I am nitpicking, but Bernardo’s explanation around 35:50 that “Consciousness is that whose excitation is experience” seems to be logically deficient. Since there is never a time when experience ceases to exist, and since experience is an excitation of Consciousness in Bernardo’s formulation, it follows logically that there is never a time when excitation of Consciousness ceases. Thus, Consciousness can never exist without excitation. This implies that Consciousness, in Bernardo’s formulation, has a limitation, i.e., the inability to exist without excitation. However, this cannot be since Consciousness is limit-free. Perhaps, this deficiency can be overcome by amending Bernardo’s formulation as “Consciousness is that whose *apparent* excitation is *objective* experience”. The implication of this proposed reformulation is that Consciousness, as our true nature, is excitation-free and as such is free to exist with excitation, without excitation, with and without excitation, or neither with excitation nor without excitation.
@doublej7257 2 роки тому
Enlightenment does not come about by trying to understand it with the mind
@rsr9200 2 роки тому
@@doublej7257 Seems to me that “trying to understand enlightenment” can only be the preoccupation of those who believe that, without enlightenment, they do not exist as what they already are.
@nickolasgaspar9660 2 роки тому
@@doublej7257 -"Enlightenment does not come about by trying to understand it with the mind" -......that explains why people will believe in anything lol.
@steveflorida8699 2 роки тому
@@doublej7257 mind is the human tool for understanding.
@doublej7257 2 роки тому
@@steveflorida8699 once you have achieved no mind, you have achieved enlightenment
@mahtabmawla2885 Рік тому
Thank you so much for this scintillating conversation. Deep deep gratitude 🙏
@lynnrixson1094 2 роки тому
Amazing conversation !! Thank you 😊
@krishnapartha Рік тому
May you be well. May you be safe. Your conversation enriches and nourishes me. Thank you so much. 🙏🏾❤️🔥
@user-dt3pw2kt4v 2 місяці тому
Thanks the universal consciousness for Simon allways reminding these gentlemen to speak in simple terms for the common mortals like us 😹😹 particularly Bernardo his vocabulary is mindblowing and quite incomprehensible until today ... basically if i understood well we are all mentally dissociated bacteries floating as one in nothingness . Yayyy !! This is really reassuring. I am curious to know which books of Bernardo and Rupert explain this theory, the mental equation that brought them to this hypothesis. Thank you and happy days 😅❤
@kaydurbin943 2 роки тому
Wonderful. Thank you for this presentation
@tinaungerank9817 2 роки тому
Excellent! Thanks to All!💞
@a1librarian 2 роки тому
I would love to see Donald Hoffman of UC Irvine in on this conversation. His interface theory of perception is very close to what they are saying and it is mathematically supported. Also he shows that nature hides reality from us or else we would not survive.
@lindencastel1331 2 роки тому
What a great joy for me as a listener - I feel enriched and elated by these words of love and truth. Thank you all three : my gratitude is great.
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