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Thank you for getting into podcasting, Lex. I like Rogan but as an engineer myself I was frustrated that he didn't seem to be asking the right questions of his science-literate guests. You've really filled that niche without sacrificing the human element of the conversation- you're killing it!

FOBS (Graves' callsign) was a student of mine when he was learning the F-18. We also went to Aviation Safety Officer's school together. He's a solid dude.

I was a sailor on the USS Nimitz in 2004 when we spotted the tic-tac UFO video. I worked as a Reactor Operator in the Nuke plant, but I remember having a smoke that night and talking to one of the Pilots and flight crew from VFA-41. They were super amped up about it and I remember believing them (knowing that these guys would be crazy to make something like this up), but the hype just died down a few days later and I stored that memory somewhere in the back of my brain. When the DOD released the video in 2017, I couldn’t believe what I was watching. Putting the two events together changed my perspective on life all-together. I had always thought deeply about life elsewhere in the Universe, but having actual first hand knowledge and data helped make my mind up for good.

I’ve seen Ryan speak on many occasions and what I love about this chat you’ve asked beyond technical questions. Humanity and philosophy. This was extremely thoughtful and mind opening. Thank you

I love how much Lex has been covering these UFO related topics.

This chap is on another level. Damn, he’s an extremely concise talker, a really interesting listen. Cheers Lex

Lex, your ability to build a question and pivot where needed, is incredible. Thanks for bringing content that can actually influence.

It’s refreshing to hear two curious and intelligent people speak respectfully and pragmatically about subjects that have a high emotive response. Ryan is a rare breed of decency, of deep curiosity to better understand the world we live in, of common sense along with deep understanding of what matters. I find it most intriguing to say the least that knowing that there are unexplained anomalies right in one’s airspace but as a pilot you have to compartmentalise it to focus on the job at hand. The mental gymnastics that takes is incredible. I’ve mad respect for Ryan and others who’ve spoken up at huge risk but with an underlying fortitude that it’s the right thing to do because there’s a greater concern that requires proper attention. It’s frustrating to think that we are no closer than we were decades ago that we are still trying to get our leadership to show some degree of seriousness. I fear that by putting in place these investigative bodies together with some acknowledgment by Government that we’ll end up where we have previously : nowhere. And decade passes by again. I am concerned the stonewalling is not whether there’s evidence that something otherworldly exists because there’s been enough evidence of their presence globally denial is futile, but that we’re hindered by belief systems that sits at the top echelons of government who are stoic in not wanting to entertain what they would essentially deem as demonic such is their dogmas about this matter is concerned. I think that Ryan knows this so he is intelligent enough to be measured, factual and pragmatic in his recount. It’s much harder to shut that down. He gives sound insight. Clearly takes ownership - I admire these qualities . Thank you Lex you asked intelligent questions.

Hearing him describe the pilots seeing a black cube with a translucent sphere around it gave me chills

This is one of the smartest guys you’ve had on your show Lex. And genuine and humble. Kudos to him.

I've listened to this almost every night since I've heard it to fall asleep. Ryan's and lex's voice is so relaxing. Quite a few times I heard Ryan mention landing at night on the ship it's terrifying to imagine being on that situation..relying on someone on board to see a little light on your jet to help you land...yet it's so peaceful to listen to that story ,....landing on a dark ship middle of ocean. Amazing. These fighter pilots are a whole other level so much respect is due

Ryan and Lex are two wonderful, highly intelligent, benevolent, kind, progressive, curious, purposeful, compassionate human beings. And Ryan is as brave as anyone could be. I believe that both Ryan and Lex became who they were meant to become, whether by design or chance, and the world is a better place with them here-doing what they each are doing-at this particular time and place. I am elderly-in my eighth decade- and I feel privileged to have just been able to watch this video and listen to them talk to one another. They, and others like them, give me hope for future generations.

My grandad flew the F-86 as a fighter pilot through the Korean War. He had many interesting stories. After he passed away I was allowed to dig through his study and found a small bundle of carbon copies of some select mission reports from his time leading patrols over Alaska and Canada. All of them were describing UFO sightings. They all described spherical or tic-tac shaped objects that could hover motionless, match his high speeds with ease and do circles around the F-86s at high speeds and altitudes … then zip out of sight. I never got to ask him detailed questions that could elaborate on these experiences of his. But I do have memories of him expounding now and then on the incredible things that were being built by our government.

Lt. Graves does a great job at explaining what it’s like being in a fighter jet , probably does a better job than any other pilot at making it relatable and understandable to the average person. I learned a ton just from the beginning of this interview. Very interesting stuff.

Beautiful conversation. Articulate. Measured. Humble. Thank you.

If these pilots are seeing these things so regularly, most likely many other individuals have too. Someone else knows more about these things most likely, but at present they're just keeping quiet. I'm a civilian pilot non-commercial and I saw a UAP in 2009. It moved in the same way others have stated in that it behaved as if it was indifferent to the atmosphere/airflow. As it decelerated it underwent some sort of lateral wobble left and right - it was most unusual I've never seen anything like that before - it was like it was suspended within some unseen field, and had some ability to resist against or induce itself forward into this field for means of propulsion. As it changed course then accelerated it had the same intinial wobble but remained at a steady speed. It seemed fairly slow from the ground. But I was unable to ascertain its altitude as it was giving off an omnidirectional bright white light. In other words it emitted light from all angles, unlike a plane or chopper. It was bizarre. Always wondered what that damn thing was. Went online at the time and after trawling through a load of other sightings I found a similar sighting made by another pilot and also qualified engineer - what he described was identical to what I saw. So I know others have seen this thing too.

Lt. Graves is such a great story teller. I love how he develops and reveals the information for us at the perfect pace, keeping me completely engaged without overloading or speaking over my head.

Normally what I am about to say goes against every fiber of my being, but I believe every word that this guy says.

The man you are Lex, yes yes the man you ARE!.?! Counting on you very much we all ARE. We love your love for us all. So many thanks and much respect is deserved! Though foreal, appreciated ARE you!.?!

One of the best interviews in the history of interviews from the perspective of the questions and the answers and the life observations shared. Thank you both for being authentic which is rare in a podcast.

Lt. Ryan Graves is on the forefront of solving the UFO enigma. We owe him a great deal of gratitude for his service to America and humanity as a whole. Why do UFOs behave like curious, teleporting hummingbirds around our biggest/fastest flying machines?

I could have listened to 4 hours of this. Outstanding stuff!

Even setting the event aside, hearing the discription from an intelligent well respected individuals first hand account of an event s priceless. Great interview.

What a great honour to be a part of this. Lex can plan listen and execute with the best of the best !! Ryan Graves gives such credence to the wonderful world he was trained in. I rarely hear anything like this coming out of ruzzia. Lex refers to the Ukraine war multiple times,, small wonder.

I like how Ryan was careful from beginning, mainly about UAPs and then he went full send about possible ext. life and experiments with a matter. Another incredible podcast. Sometimes I wish I would have a bunch of friends that I could sit down with, open beer or maybe a whiskey and watch Lex’s podcasts and discuss these burning topics. That would fill me with joy.

I love how Lex spends the first hour enabling his guest to establish his credibility. What a guy. Amazing interview.

Ryan is such an interesting,super intelligent guy.

I'm Glad Brave People Are Coming Out And Revelling The Truth. Big Up Ryan Every Time 💯👍🏿

Fuck yeah another aliens/ufo episode!

Your content quality is unmatched, Lex; you are my favorite content creator by a huge stretch. Thank you for doing what you do.

Great show, Lex. I appreciate you taking him seriously. You seem to bring up a new topic at just the right time without intupting him.

I got teared up when Ryan was talking about finding peace in nature. I also want to acknowledge and praise his advice to young people: that he encourages young people to ask questions and explore at the risk of being misunderstood or laughed at, for the sheer Love and Care, very specific words, of the pursuit of learning and growing. What a great interview. I really enjoyed it!

Ryan sounds like a great guy, we need more guys like him in our world.

Lt. Graves oozes quiet confidence, backed up with sheer brilliance. Another great guest on the Lex Fridman program. Bravo!

The level of calm while working a highly complex machine.... in the air. Is just astounding to me.

I am super impressed with this guy. The way he clearly and concisely answers questions is incredible. A subject matter expert and excellent communicator.

Listening intently to Lex Fridman interviews more and more and overwhelmed by the quality of guests. Kudos to Lex for many reasons. A heartfelt Thank you to Lt. Ryan Graves for your former service and what you are doing today.

I just come here to hear about the Tic Tac subject coming from Ryan ..... i i got immersed in an unexpected philosophical conversation, about life and values. With an incredible " wired " in a very good way interviewer ( first time i saw you Lex, with all my respect ), and an incredible human been with a very unique profession like being a US Jet Pilot ..... This was just wayyyyyyy more then expected Tic Tac thing ..... Thank you so much for this deep human conversation .... i felt so deeply touched with the humility of both of you in all the subjects ....... Just wow ....... blow min mind in an unexpected way.

Great episode, I much prefer people like this over 'celebrities'.

This is the most wise, non-bias, professional and respectful UFO talk I've ever heard.

Lex is so great at interviewing amazing and interesting/intelligent people. Thank you, Lex.

I’ve listened to Ryan several times so I thought this would be boring wow was I wrong I think this is my favorite interview so far, thank you Lex for asking the great questions as usual.

Outstanding, two very impressive young men.

The intellectual chemistry between Lex and Graves is amazing which is why this works⚛⚛ I'm loving it. Great episode with a great conversation.

I never finished this interview, but after the congressional hearing couple days ago, I could not help it but notice how impressive is Ryans personality, how articulate he is and knowledgeable, so I came back to finish this interview , and boy I was not disappointed. listen to time stamp Alien life 1:50 and what he has to say about theories for future propellants and manipulation of matter. the whole interview is gold. thank you gentlemen for an intriguing conversation.

Wonderful, intelligent, good hearted conversations. Thank you Lex!

Surprisingly I really enjoyed this entire interview from start to finish. Tuned in for the UFO stuff but stayed for the rest.

The whole conversation was fascinating, not just the UFO talks. Thank you.

I truly love and greatly appreciate everything Mr Graves said, here. His responses are incredibly thoughtful, intelligent, and insightful. I learned a great deal about MANY things from listening to him in this interview. And it has inspired tremendous hope in me to realize that there are exceptional human beings (like this remarkable gentleman) in this mixed up, complicated world, in spite of what I may encounter in my day-to-day life.

Best Lex interview I’ve seen so far, and i must say all your interviews are all very good but this one really resonates. You’re a very genuine host even to the point of stressing and empathizing with your guests experience. I salute you

Ryan is a very well spoken, kind dude. Great interview with lots of useful insights

It's comforting to know we have such big brains looking over us like this Lt

this guy's brain just operates on a whole other level

This was awesome. One of my brothers is an F18 pilot about to be a squadron commander and my other brother teaches flight instructors how to be instructors for the air force. Many parallels in his stories and thoughts. Very intriguing, informative and thought provoking!!

I think Ryan has become my favorite team member in the ufo phenomenon. Super credible. Incredible stuff.

I worked for a simulator manufacturer and was part of a team that designed and built the first computerized Landing Signal Officer training simulator for the US Navy. Very advanced trainer for the early 90s. The trainer was extremely effective in training LSOs. It was fun to run during lunch breaks too!

two absolute legends. Inpiration can come just from listening to two great minds talking about anything. Thank you so much.

Great stuff. As a old retired ag pilot that flew under power lines and over sprinkler systems all day long I really like hearing from other pilots and there experience.

Thank you Lex and Ryan for this fascinating pod cast

Here rewatching after the recent news/leaks ❤

Very well formatted questions. Well thought. Very philosophical. I totally enjoyed this. From both of you.

Listened to this on Spotify but had to come drop a comment. This was one of the most engaging Podcast I’ve listened. Appreciate what you’re doing in this space Mate.

Thank you Ryan and Lex for keeping the UAP/UFO topic alive!

What an intelligent and real, gentleman Ryan is and how I wish that the governments and authorities related could be real and transparent as Ryan is about the subject. TY Lex for asking the questions that come to my mind. Greetings from Oz.

You have an amazing way to treat your guests, Lex! I see you doing great Podcasts forever :) I think Joe is pretty proud of you!

Excellent guest. Articulate, full of information, to the point, intelligent. Great interview.

He is like a real life version of every character Matt Damon has ever played lol. Handsome, extremely intelligent and witty.

Spent so many hours listening to Graves since this podcast came out. So proud to have people like him willing to stick the foot in the door and stand for truth and our constitution against the powers that be. He does still look good present day now that he's succumbed to his male pattern baldness and shaved it off. Thanks so much Ryan there's a lot of us with you

Lex asks amazing questions. Ryan was amazing to listen to. Awesome pod

Very interesting, love hearing ex-Navy discuss UFOs - thanks Lex! 👍

Im amazed how well spoken this guy is. Even outside of military nomenclature, his vocabulary is incredible. Allows him to quickly explain complex ideas; effectively.

I think the best thing I’ve learned from my engineering studies and now job is just how little I know. When I was younger going through school I used to think I knew a lot compared to most of the peers around me but I got humbled real quick in grad school and now employment. There are some incredibly smart people in this world and I should really try harder to better myself

40:28. So profound. When you are stressed at all your vision changes to suit fight or flight. Your brain also interprets data differently. Wow LEX is a great host.

Excellent interview Lex. Ryan Graves is such an incredible and beautiful person. I was especially impressed with this conversation, the scope & depth. Thank you both so much for such a fascinating 2.5 hours.

I was blown away by the wisdom within Ryan’s words. Thank you to you both! Amazing interview!

What a good soul. He won me over when he said, we should not be excited to get into war.. the consciousness of a virtuous soul always sounds different. Thank you.

Just became a subscriber. Very informative podcast. Keep up the great work Lex.

Incredible interview with an exceptionally incredible young man. Totally to be respected.

Ryan's interpretation of the meaning of life at the very end was a beautiful way to cap off this amazing conversation.

Amazing conversation ! Thank you lex for the just on point questions to this brilliant human

Loved this one, long time listener. As a guy who helps makes the Martin Baker ejector seat. So great to hear what my day to day work does for pilots. The best of us ☺️🙏

I just discovered Lex a couple of days ago and I keep thinking How did I get here? This is awesome.

I’ve watched this podcast in it’s entirety no less than 5 times. I respect Mr Graves so much.

I was one of the “lucky” guys in the Navy that had to clean up an A-7E Corsair that had a massive, multiple bird strike episode. Massive damage to the intake, wing leading edges and engine. Stinky, dried bird flesh everywhere. I also had to rebuild an engine that had ingested several birds. Remarkably enough the engine wasn’t damaged that bad physically. Just a lot of foreign object debris that had to be cleaned out.

That was your best guest you have had on in my opinion. Super level headed dude.

All around just one of the best interviews I've ever had the privilege of listening to. Mr. Graves is a remarkable man and patriot. One of the most responsive, direct and engaging interviewees I've seen. Superb questions as usual.

Just learned about your channel Lex. Really enjoy your videos!

Thanks for such a thorough interview. All the background questions are helpful and interersting and shows what a credible witness Ryan Graves is. I am so thrilled that he is speaking out.

Ryan Graves has a podcast of his own now, I really enjoy all of his guests so far.

This man ryan graves is a legend you lucky you got to interview him so interesting

This was one of the best and most respect-filled interviews on aviation and Ryan's assessment of his experience with these unknown objects. His perspective has not been given the seriousness it deserved. Thank you for being the interviewer you are. It was time well spent.

Fast forward to 1 hour and 2 minutes for the juicy ufo stuff. Great interview btw thanks.

It was an honor to hear two intellectuals discuss a topic I’m very interested in. I’m a retired Aerospace Engineer and I’ve always believed that the universe is in stasis and it’s our minds that stir it, explore it and learn from it.

Episode is fave Lex episode thus far. Hits in all cylinders. Mechanics. Physics. Jets versus props. And aliens.

Great interview - Luis Elizondo says there is a very high quality 20 minute UFO video from FA18s that AATIP has but the Pentagon has not released

Brilliant as always. Lex, your interviews are done with great style and panache. I learn so much. And Ryan, thank you !

My husband flew F-16s for the NG while he was in medical school and residency. I enjoy listening to Lt. Graves. It's a joy to listen to intelligent life forms!

Wow. Awesome interview, Lex. This gives the rest of us a better undertstanding of these UAP videos, and the phenomena as a whole. We need to listen to these guys when they speak. Thanks for your service, Ryan.

All I ever wanted to be, as a child, was a fighter pilot..a nasty propeller injury put that to bed, but this man is an absolute hero to me in his openness. I’m so glad that Lex had him on his podcast, it has helped encourage me in my pursuits. Thank you Mr. Graves, for being so honest on your life and thought process, as well as offering advice on how to move forward in this cold/calculated world, with such vast aspirations.