Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson | God, Atheism, The Bible, Jesus - Part 1 - Presented by Pangburn

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Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson - Vancouver - 1
Moderated by Bret Weinstein
06/23/2018
This is the first time Sam & Jordan appeared live together on stage. This event took place at the Orpheum Theatre in Vancouver BC Canada on June 23rd 2018 in front of a sold out audience of 3000 people. The event was produced by Pangburn Philosophy.
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@Pangburn
@Pangburn 3 місяці тому
We gave away 8000 meals this Christmas 😊 Here is the video ukposts.info/have/v-deo/r5RihaxueLCmo6s.htmlsi=VBwdhN2tbt-DSQvw
@kans6
@kans6 2 місяці тому
Exactly Jordan You can not extract one sentence and isolate it from the rest of the Bible That is the most significant aspect but Weinstein must consider Matt 5 in relationship to wars And Harris need to tie slavery to sex is his problem
@kans6
@kans6 2 місяці тому
Harris again is almost childish not to understand how the old and new interact purposely. Also that Harris who is cavalier about some portions of scripture are written by God while others are written by smart men is incoherent
@nawzy202
@nawzy202 4 роки тому
As a semi truck driver these talks make my 16hr day effortless
@spockboy
@spockboy 4 роки тому
Safe journeys bro.
@nawzy202
@nawzy202 4 роки тому
@@spockboythank you
@patcummings5778
@patcummings5778 4 роки тому
Pay attention to the rd
@nawzy202
@nawzy202 4 роки тому
@@patcummings5778 listening to music or this I prefer this
@JewTrain95
@JewTrain95 4 роки тому
Right? All I do when i drive is listen to debates and lectures
@valentinewiggin9705
@valentinewiggin9705 3 роки тому
After carefully analysing both perspectives and most of the axioms upon which the ramifications of their arguments were constructed, I can accurately conclude that they were trying to call each other gay.
@its.a.larrabee
@its.a.larrabee 2 роки тому
😂
@michaelacheampong2869
@michaelacheampong2869 2 роки тому
lol
@sexysputnik
@sexysputnik 2 роки тому
If only Valentine could have been the moderator 😂
@edom7817
@edom7817 2 роки тому
I feel intellectually compelled not to laugh at this but ...😂😂
@sexysputnik
@sexysputnik 2 роки тому
@@edom7817 theres always some truth in humor and they never said no homo so...
@tussk.
@tussk. 9 місяців тому
I wanted to watch this, but first I had to define what I meant by 'Watch' in a post visual hypothetical society. Once I had redefined the word to a point that I could recognise it's value in what was now a quasi religious experience, I discovered that I had rendered language devoid of any real meaning, and had to imagine what was said through a veil of treaties from modernistic idealogues of an imagined apocalypse.
@30fpssquad73
@30fpssquad73 8 місяців тому
😂😂😂
@Jacob-Pilling
@Jacob-Pilling 8 місяців тому
Haha best comment so far
@kellytobey5179
@kellytobey5179 7 місяців тому
Haa haa haa thanks > So right on. Their ability to create complexity out of simplicity is staggering!
@drygordspellweaver8761
@drygordspellweaver8761 6 місяців тому
Clean your room. Wash your penis.
@user-ud3vk6iu1k
@user-ud3vk6iu1k 2 місяці тому
Haha
@whitneymacdonald4396
@whitneymacdonald4396 9 місяців тому
I so appreciate this conversation. I hear respectful listening and thoughtful response. What a concept! Thanks to whoever convened this and double thanks to whoever posted it.
@x70222
@x70222 7 місяців тому
I totally agree. It's nice to hear an actual, respectful, thoughtful conversation between two very different people who clearly have no animosity towards one another. We need more conversations like this.
@MikeFuller-ok6ok
@MikeFuller-ok6ok 4 місяці тому
@@x70222 Lol! You haven't heard the drunken rants between Glasgow Celtic and Rangers fans in pubs in the Govern area of the city?
@bauist
@bauist 2 місяці тому
Yeah from Sam. JP is a self righteous buffoon.
@andrewaguilar5315
@andrewaguilar5315 5 років тому
I had to rewatch this series of debates and listen to Peterson's lectures on Maps and Meaning and his biblical series before I could even attempt to comment, but here goes: I think the main point that Peterson was trying to convey to Harris was that religion appears to have developed organically over the course of human history as a way to preserve and communicate abstract ideas and concepts that can reduce suffering and promote success in life in those who act them out. He tends to define these ideas and concepts as values (e.g. fairplay, honesty, etc), which we use in our daily lives as a moral compass for our actions. As a personal example, I train jiu jitsu every morning at 6 AM because I value physical fitness, fairplay, and strategy, which I hope will ultimately help me in my endeavor to live a meaningful life. The act of doing something we value is in Peterson's definition, religious. Therefore, he assets that even atheists tend to live a religious life because they act on values that they hold dear to their person. Harris seems to assert that we as humans, have the ability to extract the same values that Peterson defined without the need for interpretation of the stories in religious texts like the bible. On top of that, he cites that dogmatic and literal interpretation of some stories has shown to be disastrous throughout history-responsible for war and death. There are plenty of examples such as the Inquisition, the anabaptist revolt in Muenster, the Buddhist/Hindu civil war in Sri Lanka, and ISIS. Therefore, I believe Harris concludes that if we can assume that humans can synthesize the "good" values in life without the need for religion, we should- the risk is otherwise too great. Peterson's counter claim is that it is likely impossible for humans to be able to do away with religion and synthesize our own values. He's cited Nietzsche and post modernists like Derrida or Foucault often, claiming that social systems such as communism fail to address human impulsive tendencies and propensities for evil, which are not values, per se, but are addressed as vital and fundamental parts of most ( I say most because I'm not qualified to assert all) of the world's religions. Therefore, Peterson concludes that there remains significant value in respecting and acting out religious logos because they also help to recognize and reduce acts of malice. So they're talking past each other, in some sense. I think the real question is: Assuming Peterson and Harris are correct, how can we implement religions without devolving into literal interpretations? I think they found the answer when they agreed to it at the beginning- free and frank speech. I wonder if anyone will read this....
@olamyhrman6523
@olamyhrman6523 5 років тому
Great summary of this debate. Thank you.
@RonyFish
@RonyFish 5 років тому
What's funny to me is that Peterson heavily reference Mircea Eliade, who was a fascist and anti-semite and whose work was later proven to be biased, because among other things it lacked any empirical evidence. Also I'm just being curious have you read Foucault's Les Mots et les Choses ? Because the way Peterson's use Foucault to prove this point is quite a twist. Also to claim that religion help recognize and reduce acts of malice is the same thing as claiming that north korea's regime does.
@alexp6832
@alexp6832 5 років тому
Great summary, I tend agree with Harris more than Peterson. Religion, while it may be beneficial in some situations, poses a much larger threat to humanity as we move forward. It lays foundation for tribalism, asserts outdated moral truths, and allows humans to disregard the importance of this life in preference for the afterlife. I see no reason as to why we must derive a solid moral foundation from a belief system with an all powerful deity at the center.
@Fiercefighter2
@Fiercefighter2 5 років тому
This summary is so good I'm tempted to not even watch the debate lol
@shiskeyoffles
@shiskeyoffles 5 років тому
Perfect comment. Your conclusion was pretty much the issue with all these debates. They leave out the "what to do next" question.
@thabotshuma8767
@thabotshuma8767 5 років тому
The winner is anyone who came away from the discussion having sharpened their thinking.
@user-ju7ze9to4k
@user-ju7ze9to4k 5 років тому
Thabo Tshu so I lost?!!
@mazklassa9338
@mazklassa9338 5 років тому
Aye aye sir, that IS theeee point. Not which speaker won.
@garetclaborn
@garetclaborn 5 років тому
I agree to the point this is a subset of all winners ;]
@TheClassicWorld
@TheClassicWorld 5 років тому
Well, that would make him the loser since the true winner would be anybody who did not need their mind sharpening from this almost completely pointless debate (due to Jordan refusing to answer questions). If your mind was equally sharp before and after this video, then you are the real winner. Yes, it means you didn't learn anything from it... but, there is nothing to learn from this that you shouldn't have already known, in essence.
@deand_walkabout8040
@deand_walkabout8040 5 років тому
Thabo Tshuma, By that logic, Jordan Peterson is the winner. Glad he's come closer to reality.
@leiferikson2210
@leiferikson2210 8 місяців тому
Clarity is key to communication, a smart person knows that.
@Tofuu1311
@Tofuu1311 6 місяців тому
That's what jp clearly lacks
@AshunshwgarsBlade
@AshunshwgarsBlade 2 місяці тому
@@Tofuu1311 because he can’t provide a simple answer to a question humanity has been arguing about for thousands of years?
@carlosdemare1599
@carlosdemare1599 Місяць тому
​@@AshunshwgarsBlade no because he refuses to present a clear answer.
@vb2806
@vb2806 11 днів тому
​@@AshunshwgarsBladehe wasn't asked to provide an answer to humanity, he was asked whether he believes something in its literal sense or not. That's not a hard question he just likes to spin it around
@RogueStatusQVX
@RogueStatusQVX 8 місяців тому
Its awesome listening to 2 people that have vastly different opinions, even take little shots at eachother, but at the end of the day respect each other and their view. Refreshing to see ❤
@danielc6106
@danielc6106 7 місяців тому
I'm not convinced that they respect each other. They remain polite and civil towards each other, definitely.
@uchicha666
@uchicha666 7 місяців тому
​@@danielc6106I think you can respect another person without agreeing with him/her.
@danielc6106
@danielc6106 7 місяців тому
@@uchicha666 yes of course you can. I jusy don't think they do. At least I get the feeling that Peterson doesn't respect harris as much as the other way around.
@D-Tox_
@D-Tox_ 7 місяців тому
@@danielc6106 I tend to agree with you though I would also say that they probably don't respect each others point of view (since they disagree) but they seem to respect each other as people (though again... Sam seems a bit more respectful in that sense, I agree).
@davidstaffell
@davidstaffell 6 місяців тому
Peterson is a narcissistic bellend
@Red_Rem
@Red_Rem 3 роки тому
Imagine presidential candidates having debates on complex topics like this.
@nimim.markomikkila1673
@nimim.markomikkila1673 3 роки тому
Yes, imagine Trump even just coversing in a civil manner:)
@NuttyMongrel
@NuttyMongrel 3 роки тому
most Americans probably wouldn't even care to see candidates get this deep
@georgetsoukalas1409
@georgetsoukalas1409 3 роки тому
I dont think trump and biden have the intellectual capacity to debate topics like this one
@abinashpradhan4861
@abinashpradhan4861 3 роки тому
Imagine politicians not knowing anything about anything
@9992DAZ
@9992DAZ 3 роки тому
@@nimim.markomikkila1673 just as unlikely as any other politition just not lying conciously
@codinginflow
@codinginflow 5 років тому
When you're out with the boys and someone mentions the Bible
@rd3914
@rd3914 5 років тому
underated man
@amandaigwegbu
@amandaigwegbu 5 років тому
Loooool nice one
@6teezkid
@6teezkid 5 років тому
Coding in Flow - Haha! 😂
@user-yn2ct2ie9m
@user-yn2ct2ie9m 5 років тому
@J A limited time and a huge topic. At first, I thought he was acting that way too but then I thought about how prepared he was and realized he just had a lot to say with limited time. He was trying to get to the core of the difference and agree upon the similarities. I don't think it was a good discussion in some ways because of the dodging but he definitely is not demented or absent-minded and that's evidenced by how well he took the time to understand each question and honestly each word.
@dangervich
@dangervich 5 років тому
@J A BS. Harris thinks in pieces. And he's the center of his own religion too.
@nicolaiholmstoel6546
@nicolaiholmstoel6546 9 місяців тому
Jordan had Sam on the ropes when he said he was doing his mom. But that comeback with "my dad can beat up your dad!" from Sam was S tier.
@ChrisPyle
@ChrisPyle 9 місяців тому
Clearly Sam’s mom disagrees how tough his dad is lol
@middleofdecember9862
@middleofdecember9862 8 місяців тому
when is this
@Oppenslimer
@Oppenslimer 7 місяців тому
​@@middleofdecember9862💀
@middleofdecember9862
@middleofdecember9862 7 місяців тому
@@Oppenslimer i thought they said that as a joke
@Oppenslimer
@Oppenslimer 7 місяців тому
@@middleofdecember9862 It's fine dude it was just really funny
@adamfor5048
@adamfor5048 9 місяців тому
Twenty minutes in and I already love this....oh my goodnes, I have found a true treasure!
@f.r8580
@f.r8580 5 років тому
The winner in this debate is every viewer who learned something from both parties.
@Pisani5858
@Pisani5858 5 років тому
Caius Cosades this is most certainly true.
@petergriffin7908
@petergriffin7908 5 років тому
Ah very wise words Solomon!
@Lopeirada
@Lopeirada 5 років тому
Put some clothes on Causios and give me a quest to fight bigger foes than rats
@f.r8580
@f.r8580 5 років тому
@@Lopeirada Bigger than rats you say... There's this guy called crassius...
@f.r8580
@f.r8580 5 років тому
@Doctor Drywell You just did that yourself, what the actual f-?
@randyromero808
@randyromero808 3 роки тому
Ben stiller really evolved into a well read intellectual.
@marcocelentani6680
@marcocelentani6680 3 роки тому
Hahahahhahahq
@carnivorecommando9617
@carnivorecommando9617 3 роки тому
Lol good one Mate
@hunternewborn2053
@hunternewborn2053 3 роки тому
I saw ben stiller and immediately thought "oh, there must be a comment about that already". Looked down and the comment showing was this one.
@randyromero808
@randyromero808 3 роки тому
He is very rational, I’m more of a Jordan Peterson guy myself.
@hunternewborn2053
@hunternewborn2053 3 роки тому
@@randyromero808 shouldn't we all.
@lilJuJuboi
@lilJuJuboi 9 місяців тому
Pangburn always puts together the best debates. Im so tired of the opening statement, rebuttal form of debate and this is so much more interesting
@the0nlytrueprophet942
@the0nlytrueprophet942 6 місяців тому
Same I think moderated debates like this are much more enjoyable to watch
@ArthurAugustyn
@ArthurAugustyn 2 місяці тому
You know what they’re not great at? Not defrauding participants and hopeful attendees of thousands of dollars
@gandhirohit
@gandhirohit 7 місяців тому
I miss this Sam, what a legend!
@gideonwiersma2794
@gideonwiersma2794 2 місяці тому
I feel like they both lost a bit of what they had back when this was recorded.
@michaelzane3823
@michaelzane3823 3 роки тому
Everybody gangsta till Jordan Peeterson starts holding an invisible egg.
@mdaddy775
@mdaddy775 3 роки тому
You'd think Kermit would hold invisible flies instead!
@johnnyhall6245
@johnnyhall6245 3 роки тому
fire!!!
@bongueta
@bongueta 3 роки тому
Dude I just laughed so hard, my room mates thought something was wrong
@mdaddy775
@mdaddy775 3 роки тому
@@bongueta Thanks! I'm here all week :)
@robertcockburn6130
@robertcockburn6130 3 роки тому
please God help me
@nicolasngo-di7272
@nicolasngo-di7272 3 роки тому
I don't like it when the audience mistakes an intellectual discussion with a rap battle.
@DavidDW
@DavidDW 3 роки тому
Wait, this wasn't rap?
@dialoguspodcastmx
@dialoguspodcastmx 3 роки тому
Lol
@MDee-db7by
@MDee-db7by 3 роки тому
I'm hoping somewhere, someone is dubbing this debate with a beat
@NateB
@NateB 3 роки тому
It's all about your team winning.
@damhood2033
@damhood2033 3 роки тому
Some of us enjoy debates the way others enjoy sports or rap battles
@dfjpr
@dfjpr 5 місяців тому
If Jordan were applying his religious method as an astrophysicist, his method for discovering time travel would be to start by saying time travel is real, and then working his way backward through fictional texts to it's discovery
@Ben-bg2lp
@Ben-bg2lp 3 місяці тому
Your analogy is so brilliant that I don't think any other form of diagnosis of JP's falacy could explain it more clearly 👏
@prematrans7682
@prematrans7682 2 місяці тому
@@Ben-bg2lp oh, but he has so many other fallacies. I am still amazed how a human being of a seemingly sound mind and quite logical and argumentative in other areas as JP is, completely sheds all of these tools when it comes to defending religion and goes full blast rogue on logic. I was so glad that Sam unveiled what he did there with JP's eloquent, but basically rant on what his view of god is. He just invented the god that he thinks that would be ok to have, which so many sensible religious people HAVE to do nowadays, because otherwise it makes no sense, except to the fundamentalists which believe exactly what is written. JP simply changed the meaning of what god is. I mean if he questions the resurrection, and all other fix dogmas, automatically he is a heretic. Oh Jordan! This is where you show us your limitations as a human being. And it's natural. We all have limitations. But here he showed it so clearly, that it made himself get pissed off like a child in the last part when the audience appreciated the quality of Sam's piercing argumentation.
@Ben-bg2lp
@Ben-bg2lp 2 місяці тому
@@prematrans7682 In his books and lectures he explicitly admits it is not clear to him what truth is! He gives the example where telling an ugly person "you're unattractive" is not telling the truth, which sounds nice but is extremely treacherous. There he's giving himself permission to basically tell what he considers to be white lies. Now consider that he admits in both Vancouver and London that stupid people need religion (he caveats it in London with the smoke screen that "but we're all stupid🙄") because not everyone is capable of having a moral compass based in reality. These two evidences substantiate to me that he DOES NOT BELIEVE IN A GOD, but is compassionately appeasing to the majority stupid populus in the hope to keep them in line. This is the kind of evil who created religion in the first place in my estimation. The wealthy who need to maintain the status quo (1 Peter 2:18), preventing the people from coming to the conclusion that they have nothing to lose but their chains. This is the same reason why he is against Universal Basic Income by taxing the top tax bracket; not because it can possibly cause inflation, but because"if you keep giving people free money, they'll do drugs and alcohol". Something you'd hear from a man who has never been worried about making rent.
@shanebluett5560
@shanebluett5560 Місяць тому
I have always found it funny that JP uses fiction books as if they were facts, and I'm not talking about the bible, which we all know is fiction 😂
@Coldkill2001
@Coldkill2001 17 днів тому
Physics and Ethics are very different fields. Physics has to be tackled from a strictly literal point, whereas ethics don’t because ethics is an abstract concept. I can’t see any other way to explore abstract concepts than to create scenarios where they might be applied and exemplified, and, in fact, there would be no compelling fiction if exploring the nuances of ethics wasn’t a frequently employed story element. I’m guessing Sam Harris is your guy. Why can’t you take a page from his book and be respectful to your idealogical opponents instead of being condescending and smug?
@Flightofphenomena
@Flightofphenomena 8 місяців тому
Idk why but I found Sam to be especially hilarious in this one. 😂
@davidstaffell
@davidstaffell 6 місяців тому
He is always hilarious
@GeneOridonnDaemon
@GeneOridonnDaemon 2 місяці тому
Maybe I’m just stupid but I couldn’t understand anything they were saying to find it funny
@Flightofphenomena
@Flightofphenomena 2 місяці тому
@@GeneOridonnDaemon Count yourself lucky / blessed.
@codyrodriguez1056
@codyrodriguez1056 Місяць тому
@@GeneOridonnDaemon they use a lot of big words but they’re points are pretty basic. Sometime I get lost in their word play it’s tough but if u can stay focused u can dig the bottom line out. Sams not as bad for it. But I hear u man I swear they do it on purpose pretty basic ideasss just lost in word playy
@GeneOridonnDaemon
@GeneOridonnDaemon Місяць тому
@@codyrodriguez1056 I do strive to one day understand and I articulate words the way Jordan does. I think/feel When he speaks he uses words that have meanings that describe every detail of an idea he has. He talks like a painter paints producing as much detail as possible
@louisdods8277
@louisdods8277 5 років тому
conversation does not require applause
@nikosorf4250
@nikosorf4250 5 років тому
Highly agree, applauding when both sides are open to each other simply conversing to find an agreement is 100% unnecessary and it only does a disservice to the ones having the conversation
@skreeeboy
@skreeeboy 5 років тому
Totally agreed. Applause seems to indicate that there is a competition going on. This is meant to be a collaboration. I prefer Sam Harris' work to Peterson's, but I take no glee when Sam makes a solid point that might run contrary to Peterson's ideas. I just genuinely want to hear what Peterson's response might be... because maybe he has an answer to it. This tribalistic bullshit needs to stop.
@Djamestm
@Djamestm 5 років тому
Most people are self centered, emotional and impulsive, or a combination of a multitude of other unattractive traits. They can get excited when they feel like it was their idea, or speaks to their personal philosophy, a nod to their intellectual prowess. The fact that they aren't on the stage emotionally pressures, like an addiction, their desire to be a part of the debate. They applaud for self validation of their own awesomeness. Applauding during an intellectual discussion, or debate is extremely unattractive, distracting, selfish, and entirely unhelpful to what these titans are trying to accomplish for humanity. In summation, applause at a debate is poopy crap.
@anti0incultura
@anti0incultura 5 років тому
you people are sad
@rodrigobittar7940
@rodrigobittar7940 5 років тому
Yeah! Like those people was watching a wrestling match rather than intellectual arguments between two perfectly valid points of view
@minamin4416
@minamin4416 3 роки тому
You know the moderator is good when you forget that he's there
@user-gy4gk5pr1g
@user-gy4gk5pr1g 3 роки тому
However, it's only possible when the participants are civil though, and themselves understand the idea of an actual debate. So, it goes both ways I guess.
@gregneil1615
@gregneil1615 3 роки тому
or the participants
@NateB
@NateB 3 роки тому
The moderator was barely there in the Trump debate, and look what happens
@chrisinderkum9475
@chrisinderkum9475 3 роки тому
Yeah, the guy is an actual genius
@alzgrex5304
@alzgrex5304 3 роки тому
You know the moderator is good when he’s Bret Weinstein
@Pangburn
@Pangburn 8 місяців тому
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@edwarddavenport9881
@edwarddavenport9881 6 місяців тому
Gosh, we are so lucky to live in an age where we can access stuff like this so easily.
@DoctorBringus
@DoctorBringus 5 років тому
I think the tendency to pick sides between these two is a mistake. Harris is correct that religious fundamentalism carries the potential for serious danger and must be kept in check. Peterson is right that pure, unadulterated logic is not a sufficient ground for establishing universal ethics. The proper takeaway isn't to choose a side here, in my opinion. The proper takeaway is to be grateful that these two men are able to discuss these things in a rational, intelligent manner and that we are all lucky enough to learn from it. The world needs both of these men.
@DoctorBringus
@DoctorBringus 5 років тому
Cahya I didn't say I don't have a preference, I said that the tendency to draw tribal lines is unfortunate
@e99fuy0ng
@e99fuy0ng 5 років тому
Doctor Bringus - It's a bad way to approach any learning endeavour. If you take sides it's as though you are working from a preconceived conceptual framework that is rigid and dogmatic and it becomes difficult to allow new information in. It's quite ironic because it's the very thing both of them warn against.
@perrynixon6992
@perrynixon6992 5 років тому
I don't necessarily think it's bad to pick sides-after all, Jordan and Sam are on different sides, themselves-problems arise when either side is denied the right to speak, or when whole lines of dialogue are (dogmatically) closed off, etc.
@lynxakiraka3626
@lynxakiraka3626 5 років тому
Cahya you think you're smart because you can make a generalization about comments that maybe similar. Similarity doesn't guarantee the same intent or meaning. Just because his comment is similar to others that argue against taking sides, doesn't mean they are all trying to accomplish the same things. Way to add to the conversation!
@chopperhead2012
@chopperhead2012 5 років тому
Cahya really? That straw man is the best you can do?
@laserbeam1787
@laserbeam1787 4 роки тому
I always wondered what English sounds like to non-English speakers, so I just watched this video.
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 4 роки тому
@@dennisziabkin9735 The reason he rambles is because he is trying to figure out a response/solution to something that most of the time has no solution in regards to religion. So he goes in circles trying to explain the unexplainable.
@tcrown3333
@tcrown3333 4 роки тому
@@jimmytimmy3680 I like Peterson, but I have to agree with you. He loves word salad. It's one way of evading a direct response.
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 4 роки тому
@@tcrown3333 i like him too. I have watched most of his videos because they have an inmense utility and has a great intellect. Although, the only thing I dislike is his strong attachment to religion, which, I would say has about 80% nonsense, and he like any religious person, defends 100% of it. That's is when they can't explain the nonsense and they just ramble nonsense too.
@TheBanderson22
@TheBanderson22 4 роки тому
@@jimmytimmy3680 HE doesn't even come close to defending 100% of it. Choose your words carefully.
@styxhisdicksahammerdyxdyxd8467
@styxhisdicksahammerdyxdyxd8467 4 роки тому
Also a Peterson fan but he definitely plays word games on the topic of religion. Listening to him answer the question "do you believe in God" is cringe inducing.
@monkeyboynz
@monkeyboynz 8 місяців тому
Both of these guys are great. I appreciate both. Having followed the four horsemen for years and being a fanboy of Christopher Hitchens, Sam cut his teeth with that great man albeit no one will ever hold a candle to Hitch. Jordan Petersons invocation of religion to explain his points were lost on me and were jarring due to being an atheist, but I am starting to understand that he more sees it as a framework from which truths and values can be arrived at. From this point of view I am starting to appreciate the view point. From a growth mindset point of view, I absolutely love JPs work. I think you all need to check your biases and understand they are both explaining worthwhile content and both can in many ways be true at the same time. Listen.
@leannerasmussen2533
@leannerasmussen2533 5 місяців тому
Agreed I also think JP's ideas could be lost on people who haven't heard his previous content. For me his thought process is like nothing i've heard or read before. It's a work in progress which is why he doesn't have an answer to every question.
@finndaniels9139
@finndaniels9139 2 місяці тому
⁠@@leannerasmussen2533 read some Dostoevsky, i know he talks about it all the time but Peterson was clearly so hugely effected by that man and his works that I think even he can’t always get it across. And Nietzsche and Jung also, obviously. But his philosophy is almost perfectly overlapping with the one Dostoevsky sort of puts forward / examines in his works.
@jessemalan748
@jessemalan748 9 місяців тому
I loved this. Thank you so much for making it available to me. I love Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. I especially love that you’ve made this available for me to learn from and grasp new ideas and perspectives to work through my life with. Thank you. And thank you for freedom of speech so I could have access to this.
@ontopofbottom
@ontopofbottom 8 місяців тому
Lmao chill
@domjfp
@domjfp 8 місяців тому
@@ontopofbottomhey man, you don’t say that!
@poppacore6433
@poppacore6433 6 місяців тому
"I'm a retard who needs another squeaky retard to tell me to clean my room, because i'm completely retarded"
@Impzhahaha
@Impzhahaha 4 місяці тому
How could someone possibly love Harris and Peterson they quite literally disagree on everything
@poppacore6433
@poppacore6433 4 місяці тому
@@Impzhahaha Not only that. Sam's a genuinely bright, and decent human being, while Peterson is a squeaky, hateful ghoul who needs to clean his room.
@sean3533
@sean3533 5 років тому
Brett: "You've got two minutes." Jordan: "Well it depends on what you mean by minutes."
@itsbilly1792
@itsbilly1792 5 років тому
Sean Haggard lol
@Lechatnoir3
@Lechatnoir3 5 років тому
lmao
@williamedstrom5681
@williamedstrom5681 5 років тому
Such an oversimplification time as a linear progression disregards the metaphysical substrate upon which the reality of self referential and fundamentally subjective time measurement...
@willieflores7140
@willieflores7140 5 років тому
@@williamedstrom5681 Are you quoting empty vessel Jordan Peterson, or are people beginning to sound like him???
@GraceCanadaful
@GraceCanadaful 5 років тому
Yes - his digressions are irritating after a while...
@jameshunt7972
@jameshunt7972 3 роки тому
I’m blown away that we can watch this for free..
@3stm
@3stm 3 роки тому
I do it everyday
@sarahmcbeth9156
@sarahmcbeth9156 3 роки тому
Because it’s not worth more than that.
@OttoKuus
@OttoKuus 3 роки тому
@@sarahmcbeth9156 What do you mean?
@alirezadoroudi9126
@alirezadoroudi9126 3 роки тому
@@sarahmcbeth9156 it's worth your time to get online,watch the debate and the leave a shitty comment on youtube you lifeless dumbass
@sarahmcbeth9156
@sarahmcbeth9156 3 роки тому
@@alirezadoroudi9126 how could have possibly known that it not worth than free, without listening to it first?! The fact that dumb fucking losers like you are their fans proves my point. Now STFU
@write2jas80
@write2jas80 8 місяців тому
This is how we should have a discussion or debate. People on the opposite sides should learn more about each other.
@fredtwo8347
@fredtwo8347 9 місяців тому
As great as the debate was, Bret was a greater moderator
@ms.lisaharris307
@ms.lisaharris307 4 роки тому
How dare they hold these philosophical discussions without Kanye.
@safwanhalabi5857
@safwanhalabi5857 4 роки тому
Mrs. Lisa Williams hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i knew it was missing something
@shawnbarker6463
@shawnbarker6463 4 роки тому
Lol brilliant
@Manamanamana36
@Manamanamana36 4 роки тому
Kanye 2024
@amateurastronaut5006
@amateurastronaut5006 4 роки тому
Finally someone with some good sense! Hahaha
@bernardcurtin1524
@bernardcurtin1524 4 роки тому
I recently heard that Kanye has never read a book. I can't even imagine life without great literature.
@MusixPro4u
@MusixPro4u 5 років тому
Weinsteins instinct to spot logical inconsistencies is really useful here.
@scottysbottom5769
@scottysbottom5769 5 років тому
Does saying shit like this make you feel animated?
@MusixPro4u
@MusixPro4u 5 років тому
Dude, what?
@HaykAmirbekyanTKD
@HaykAmirbekyanTKD 5 років тому
LMAO
@RalphCecil
@RalphCecil 5 років тому
I knew he'd be really good for it too as soon as I saw him with Peterson on Rogan's podcast.
@lynxakiraka3626
@lynxakiraka3626 5 років тому
Scotty's Bottom are you trying to say his comment only has the purpose of trying to portray himelf as smart?
@Pulseczar1
@Pulseczar1 9 місяців тому
"We don't want anyone else to record this and post it on UKposts because we plan on playing ads on our video every three minutes, mid-sentence or not, and we don't want viewers to be able to go anywhere else to see this discussion."
@TheSniperWho
@TheSniperWho 6 місяців тому
Haha ya that's pretty silly. I usually like to watch UKposts with uBlock Origin on my PC. I can block the ads and enjoy the video. I can also turn the ads back on to help support people. There's also UKposts DL if I want to keep a video on my hard drive. Although, I don't really have a solution for ads on my phone. Hm...
@leannerasmussen2533
@leannerasmussen2533 5 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson is delightful and his style of debate is playful and not too serious. He gave Sam credit where credit was due and agreed when appropriate. He's a gentleman debater, nice bow to Sam Harris to end the debate. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
@BenLynch1
@BenLynch1 3 роки тому
Sam harris: Own it Audience: Claps Jordan Peterson: Why are you clapping Audience: *Claps*
@eldermorph2023
@eldermorph2023 3 роки тому
great great discussion, bad bad audience. cheering is not for debates like these. thinking is
@venkatesh5864
@venkatesh5864 3 роки тому
'coz audience is stupid
@munkhtuvshinmt
@munkhtuvshinmt 3 роки тому
Where is that sir? Time
@gondaljarrat8864
@gondaljarrat8864 3 роки тому
audience dont want face rreality they wanna live fanticy and that why these people like claping on who told story prince and princess sty in dream live dream and end is u dont want open eyes them u see in the end u fucked up
@Phurzt
@Phurzt 3 роки тому
Sure, I can see the clapping as a nuisance, but "own it" was a very important statement made by Harris. It is the central crux to which these two men disagree on, and if the audiance is going to applause for "well you're 2/3s of the way to creating heaven and hell" they damn well better applause for Harris calling Peterson out for using words that dont mean to him what they mean to literally everybody else on earth. Wether you believe in god or not, the word God means a supernatural phenomenon at the very least, and Peterson is unwilling to admit that, which is why Sam asked him to own it. Instead "what do you mean own it? I was clear, and I wont answer because I need 40 minutes to answer" In so many words.
@youtubepantheon8973
@youtubepantheon8973 5 років тому
and you thought you were having deep, well articulated conversations with your friends, drunk at 5am
@tayloresc90
@tayloresc90 5 років тому
HAHAHAHAHAHA
@BanderaFilmsAndMusic
@BanderaFilmsAndMusic 5 років тому
So damn true lmfao
@chriscodisco8215
@chriscodisco8215 5 років тому
Guilty as charged
@ebofuria
@ebofuria 5 років тому
I slam bitches pussies out!
@4eyeoptics856
@4eyeoptics856 4 роки тому
Lol yes
@jorgeactorvideos
@jorgeactorvideos 6 місяців тому
I do love the conversation. I do wish our politicians would discuss issues this deeply and thoughtfully.
@StrawHatGuy862
@StrawHatGuy862 9 місяців тому
I can watch this 100 times
@Sumiyeco_boutique
@Sumiyeco_boutique 3 роки тому
I really hate this format of debate with cheering crowd like it’s a sporting event
@Sl4gyster
@Sl4gyster 3 роки тому
I've come to realise that it seems to just be the american way.
@cowabungadude7408
@cowabungadude7408 3 роки тому
@@Sl4gyster vancouver is in canada
@apolloxv8820
@apolloxv8820 3 роки тому
@@Sl4gyster it’s almost impossible to keep people quiet unless you’re at Carnegie hall lol. There’s no issue with ppl expressing their support/lack there of thru clapping and cheering for small bits of time. It feels like an actual discussion because humans have passion. Before you twist my words, things shouldn’t be based in emotion when debating facts. That’s clearly not what I’m saying.
@apolloxv8820
@apolloxv8820 3 роки тому
@@Sl4gyster do you know geography? Must be an American thing to know geography
@Sumiyeco_boutique
@Sumiyeco_boutique 3 роки тому
@jsauce 93 I don’t know if I would assign that as an American thing. Have you ever seen a British parliament debate?
@strafo8124
@strafo8124 3 роки тому
One of the few talks where the moderator is as intelligent as the interviewees and where he is truly able to summarize the positions of both in a common context. Compliments!
@TopLobster11
@TopLobster11 3 роки тому
Isn’t that Bret Weinstein? He’s an intellectual as well
@jaydenspeelman268
@jaydenspeelman268 3 роки тому
Bret Weinstein has an interview with Joe rogan where mr Peterson is present too.
@tenkolew
@tenkolew 3 роки тому
I agree wholeheartedly. I had to research him. I appreciate his presence so much.
@PaperGrape
@PaperGrape 2 роки тому
Truly.
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 роки тому
If you're going to moderate a discussion between peterson and harris then you better be an intellectual. Bret and his brother Eric are highly intellectual.
@brandonschmidt930
@brandonschmidt930 6 місяців тому
I realized that I've never really had a conversation.
@JD..........
@JD.......... Місяць тому
Man that's deep. But still you can begin the process today. It's an amazing thing to open your life up to, and your relationships will improve.
@MrRichallen1984
@MrRichallen1984 9 місяців тому
Huge fan of Sam Harris ❤ But could you imagine Christopher Hitchens va Jordan Peterson or Christopher Hitchens vs Ben Shapiro. Christopher would have the audience laughing their butts off the whole time 😂
@milesteg8627
@milesteg8627 8 місяців тому
RIP Hitch. It's the Three Horseman now, does Dennett still debate with religious nutjobs?
@LITTLE-ROCK
@LITTLE-ROCK 3 місяці тому
Hitchens had an accent I found hard to understand.
@renierlillie7649
@renierlillie7649 5 років тому
I think Ben Stiller made some good points.
@davecirlclux
@davecirlclux 5 років тому
Which one is Ben Stiller?
@duuudy
@duuudy 5 років тому
This cracked me up :D
@wolmandbaker6858
@wolmandbaker6858 5 років тому
Unfortunately I was having a mouthful of salad in my mouth when I read your comment. Now I`m cleaning it off the monitor...
@jazz7581
@jazz7581 5 років тому
BEN STILLER GOT WOKE
@williamdinkel2304
@williamdinkel2304 5 років тому
Hahahahaha. Never saw the resemblance till now lol
@SalmiHoliday
@SalmiHoliday 3 роки тому
The interviewer was asking the right questions at the right moments, i enjoyed his eloquence
@fishjohn014
@fishjohn014 3 роки тому
Its Bret Weinstein, a brilliant man himself
@donaldfoster5998
@donaldfoster5998 3 роки тому
He is quite possibly the brightest guy in the room and to me the easiest to listen to lecture
@User-xw5mk
@User-xw5mk 3 роки тому
That guy is a master speaker!
@gabrielc.martel4386
@gabrielc.martel4386 3 роки тому
Having Bret Weinstein as your moderator is like having Gordon Ramsay as your waiter
@DiannaRose66
@DiannaRose66 3 роки тому
I believe bret, to be a literal genius.
@Beardofred1986
@Beardofred1986 2 місяці тому
“Worrying about the fact that their child is gay, and that the creator of the universe doesn’t approve of that” That’s one helluva line 👏🏻
@pbluma
@pbluma 2 місяці тому
ye we get it cupcake.
@thecorruptversion
@thecorruptversion Місяць тому
@@pbluma uh you are so tough, so manly
@mariog7213
@mariog7213 9 місяців тому
I love this. If only more people engaged in this type of discourse…
@riyriae2285
@riyriae2285 6 місяців тому
Indeed
@h0axyboi486
@h0axyboi486 3 роки тому
Having enough knowledge to sustain a debate like this for hours on end must be an intellectual goal of life. There are a very few select number of people alive who can do it. By 'it' i mean debating on philosophically deep ideologies and notions. Here i am, on my bed, trying to write this comment with as much literary flair as possible, waiting for my noodles to cook.
@_gongon
@_gongon 3 роки тому
Were the noodles any good?
@h0axyboi486
@h0axyboi486 3 роки тому
@@_gongon Yes they were. The trick is to know what spices to add in addition to the packaged flavouring
@memeswereablessingfromthel3942
@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 3 роки тому
Ey, I ate noodles while watching this too.
@h0axyboi486
@h0axyboi486 3 роки тому
@@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 Lämp
@memeswereablessingfromthel3942
@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 3 роки тому
@@h0axyboi486 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@giveamanafish2324
@giveamanafish2324 4 роки тому
The audience made it sound like a damn sitcom
@emilbrandwyne5747
@emilbrandwyne5747 4 роки тому
frankly id rather have a crowd cheering to philosphical talk and being invested than in a sitcom lol
@jhansenhlebica6080
@jhansenhlebica6080 4 роки тому
@@KaP0401 Emil is a male name genius.
@mohsinakhtar7876
@mohsinakhtar7876 4 роки тому
Thanks for clarifying the Atheistic position further The left brain 🧠 vs the right 🧠 brain The debate will never be resolved since The fundamental premise of Atheism is (1=0) So it seems that Peterson Was left brain(1) and Harris(0) Since they couldn’t agree completely so Not (=) That’s true mathematically (1=/=0) Now at one point in the debate even Harris said “that I can even accept” on God Thefore only once for a few seconds they both become fully rational (1=1) I feel sorry for Jordan he had to try so hard to make it happen(Respect him for that) He sure is an open minded guy who can pull you out of you Extreme point of views (In this case Harris’s denial of God)
@giveamanafish2324
@giveamanafish2324 4 роки тому
this is pure gooki wacky belony, the cookiest weirdest illogical logical statement i’ve saw. This has to be a joke ...
@Pangburn
@Pangburn 4 роки тому
Please remember to subscribe! :)
@yanaperez3582
@yanaperez3582 8 місяців тому
Best discussion I’ve heard. Loved the moderator, I didn’t know about him before. Absolutely loved and agree w Sam and I’m glad to see Jordan being more clear than ever maybe. Thank you for a great experience ❤😊
@lorenzodg3504
@lorenzodg3504 7 місяців тому
No matter what your beliefs are, and who you support; we all are (if good faith and honesty mean something) capable to recognize that they are both prime examples of respectful, heartfelt and honest intellectuals.
@YingGuoRen
@YingGuoRen 6 місяців тому
Benzo Jordanson is none of those things.
@debragillen255
@debragillen255 4 місяці тому
Right
@monkeebones5607
@monkeebones5607 4 роки тому
There is no good reason to cheer or boo in a debate between two people. All it does is distract and interupt.
@keepingitreel...8037
@keepingitreel...8037 4 роки тому
I agree with you, but people in general want to hear things that justify their beliefs, and in turn, want to be heard with their token show of support for what they just heard. Just explaining why, I think it happens, but again, I agree with you totally. . .
@sirgfunk
@sirgfunk 4 роки тому
America! Fuck yeah!!!
@mario_2529
@mario_2529 4 роки тому
There shouldn't be an audience then if you dont want reactions
@michaelweber5702
@michaelweber5702 4 роки тому
pre. c. - You are so right .
@jamesytvids
@jamesytvids 4 роки тому
I think it was partly responsible for some of the firey competitiveness we saw in this debate. If these two were having this conversation at a coffee shop with nobody listening it's unlikely it would have been as in-depth or debate-like as this recording. Sam Harris was particularly encouraged by it. It did start to get distracting by the end when it was every 20 seconds instead of every 5 minutes.
@vincentvincent4898
@vincentvincent4898 3 роки тому
I don’t like the applause. I just want to listen to these men have an intelligent conversation.
@rhodsymoncadiente2754
@rhodsymoncadiente2754 3 роки тому
Cmon they’re a fraction of the video
@Mr_Man_7803
@Mr_Man_7803 3 роки тому
Gottado St personally, the length at which the applause happens does not generally matter, interruption of the discussion though... I do not like. I agree that they are a small amount of the video but they without fail happen after Jordan or Sam state their case of respond to one another.
@allagreta9990
@allagreta9990 3 роки тому
The tribal christianity-herd. Simple as that. Hopeless 😩
@MrRobtardo
@MrRobtardo 3 роки тому
Alls Greta , I hear that Sam Harris tribe clapping away too..
@AnnaLVajda
@AnnaLVajda 3 роки тому
Too bad.
@MikeChaz1989
@MikeChaz1989 9 місяців тому
Imagine being a sound engineer at an event only requires 3 microphones... and screwing it up! 😳
@braddater5834
@braddater5834 6 місяців тому
Jordan has a slight amount of "angst" when the crowd admonishes Sam's points while Sam does not react to Jordans admonishment.
@eldenfindley186
@eldenfindley186 23 дні тому
Jordan is also an idiot, so there’s that.
@1refcortez
@1refcortez 2 роки тому
Whoever put this together, recorded it and released it... helped more people than they realize.
@pastorisaacH
@pastorisaacH 2 роки тому
"Please, do not recored this" 😅
@inhisname8395
@inhisname8395 2 роки тому
Intellectualizing is another good way to distract yourself. The ether that takes place allows you to be more self serving.
@AppleOfThineEye
@AppleOfThineEye 2 роки тому
@@inhisname8395 Literally not related to the comment at all
@asifurrahamansajon8777
@asifurrahamansajon8777 2 роки тому
It help me realise that sam dont have enough knowledge about Islam.
@racebannon5523
@racebannon5523 2 роки тому
@@asifurrahamansajon8777 Islam, like any religion, does not hold any knowledge. All one can know is that it's bullshit.
@ScreenRealm
@ScreenRealm 3 роки тому
JP: "What's all the applause about?!" Crowd: *Applause*
@Hoogoh
@Hoogoh 5 місяців тому
I think I’m starting to comprehend more deeply the idea that “God made us into his own image” much more of a self defining roadmap to eliminating/diminishing personal suffering. Sam seems to accept there’s perfectly logical psychological truths in the text but also argues that the roads in which the texts are paved on manifest malevolence, which is also true. Jordan’s literary background, as well as psychological background, make for this discussion with Sam so fruitful.
@turntablesrockmyworld9315
@turntablesrockmyworld9315 4 місяці тому
I'm playing a drinking game where I take a drink where JP wiggles his fingers while talking, or says "hierarchy", "axiom", or "presuppositions".
@Leigh5050
@Leigh5050 5 років тому
This is how I had assumed adults debated and decided on things in a civilized world.
@INameIsGood
@INameIsGood 4 роки тому
shame it's far from truth
@rankcrush4374
@rankcrush4374 4 роки тому
It's Canada.
@shader5410
@shader5410 4 роки тому
Yes, the truth hurts. People are idiots.
@shader5410
@shader5410 4 роки тому
@@LLindo No the red pill is that 'most regular adults' can't even comprehend what they are saying.
@aviationenthusiast3060
@aviationenthusiast3060 4 роки тому
leigh5050 very rare though
@TheLinne1337
@TheLinne1337 3 роки тому
This debate should have been held now, with covid-19 restrictions taking the audience away...
@Trrippy_Shades
@Trrippy_Shades 3 роки тому
I’d much rather take you’re wife away
@MrSumone
@MrSumone 3 роки тому
I agree, the audience is annoying
@dumbass0621
@dumbass0621 3 роки тому
Wouldn't be possible. Peterson's been extremely sick for quite some time.
@user-cr5yv5ho2i
@user-cr5yv5ho2i 3 роки тому
@@dumbass0621 do u know what caused him to be sick?
@dumbass0621
@dumbass0621 3 роки тому
@@user-cr5yv5ho2i Benzodiazapine withdrawal. Look up his youtube channel, a few months ago he posted an update with his daughter interviewing him. They explain a lot of it.
@llll-qz9kr
@llll-qz9kr 7 місяців тому
it's crazy how much I love the type of communication sam and jordan manage to achieve.. so much understanding of the other, respectful teasing, the ability to go in and out of various types of metaphors / wordings.. the *best*
@alyssamiles2909
@alyssamiles2909 7 місяців тому
When I speak like that, my mother tells me it makes me seem unapproachable. 😭
@GoGoTwice
@GoGoTwice 5 місяців тому
This kind of debate only happens when both parties have the skill and intellect to debate and present ideas clearly and with respect. Too many times one side doesnt have the required skill or persuasiveness and often resorts to repeating the same argument or insulting the other side. Sam and Jordan are modern day titans, a joy to watch
@wanderingsoul1189
@wanderingsoul1189 5 місяців тому
That's true. Very civil and calm debate unlike the political debates where both politicians and journalists scream.
@VolvoCommand
@VolvoCommand 5 років тому
Weinstein is the PERFECT moderator.
@TheSami5963
@TheSami5963 5 років тому
No he was annoying
@TheSami5963
@TheSami5963 5 років тому
Kept interjecting in the best moments
@dylanperry377
@dylanperry377 5 років тому
Should have been moderated by Harvey Weinstein.
@austinjackson7103
@austinjackson7103 5 років тому
@@dylanperry377 He might mistake Peterson for a girl though
@roughpatches
@roughpatches 5 років тому
It's the Frank Castle hair cut
@EndySefa
@EndySefa Рік тому
the fact that i'm not a native speaker of english but yet able to enjoy this conversation. learning the language is one of the best things I've ever done in my life.
@bafactanonverba
@bafactanonverba Рік тому
Me too.
@Sam-ik5rp
@Sam-ik5rp Рік тому
🤣🤣🤪
@Sam-ik5rp
@Sam-ik5rp Рік тому
These characters do not exist, you must have a lot of spare time, on your MILs patio. Take Peterson's advice-act like an adult, live your own life, stop existing on her dime. You have serious mental health problems.
@Parlefalk
@Parlefalk Рік тому
Where from?
@EndySefa
@EndySefa Рік тому
@@Parlefalk Turkey or as we call it Türkiye
@dfjpr
@dfjpr 5 місяців тому
Jordan explained very well how god selects which sports team will win the league, and Sam explained very well that one sports team will win the league whether god exists or not
@wellington66440
@wellington66440 29 днів тому
you're breaking it to your audience?
@Soknik01
@Soknik01 2 роки тому
THIS is what an honest discussion looks like. Nobody falling back on bad faith arguments or trying to smear the other persons character. Honesty, integrity, compassion and respect.
@123443213099
@123443213099 2 роки тому
Harris was kind of trying to smear, be honest.
@cadengrett7927
@cadengrett7927 2 роки тому
@@123443213099 yeah he seemed to me as rude.
@Soknik01
@Soknik01 2 роки тому
@@123443213099 how so?
@joningram4187
@joningram4187 2 роки тому
I agree...this is a good conversation but, faith is inevitable, no matter what you think. Neither party can prove his position, especially Mr Harris. What upsets me is...a naturalist's world view takes far more faith than a religious worldview. The problem is, academia is brutally dishonest! The scientific evidence supports intelligent design, not darwinism or whatever
@tyguy6296
@tyguy6296 2 роки тому
@@Soknik01 at 43:00 harris clearly sets him up for a weak "gotcha". peterson was trying to support his assertion that the new testament is an example of evolving dogma (which it IS), and Harris drove him into a corner where his only options were to stand by his assertion and continue his thought, or to disparage the entire Jewish faith and community. from a purely academic point of view peterson likely could have continued quite easily... but from a practical point of view, to make such a statement would be absolutely suicidal as a public figure. Peterson is already mislabeled enough... i don't think he needs everyone having this little clip as a basis to claim he is anti-Semitic as well. such tactics in a debate are usually considered low, rude, and ultimately limit the flow of free thought, Overall though, i still think Harris was a solid match for peterson (who is guilty of his own debate sins as well) and both parties held themselves and each other to an acceptable standard of discourse.
@tony_dash_productions
@tony_dash_productions 3 роки тому
I just don't understand why the audiences thinks they're at a football game
@noticxever9317
@noticxever9317 3 роки тому
I've seen worse, like the peterson-zizek Debate
@pungvsbobawhoami1150
@pungvsbobawhoami1150 3 роки тому
an intellectual debate is exciting live
@johnjungkook2721
@johnjungkook2721 3 роки тому
Because it takes place in North America, where life is a football game
@paulden3158
@paulden3158 3 роки тому
@@johnjungkook2721 life is a football game here yea
@morsumbra9692
@morsumbra9692 3 роки тому
@Wiliam Forsythe ...no. no its not. This isn't 2 and a half men or the big bang theory. You came out with some hostility dude, calling someone am imbecile like that, chill.
@danielmrtns
@danielmrtns 8 місяців тому
Ben Stiller here is a very smart person, I had no idea… and so is Canadian Willem Dafoe.
@herbsHA
@herbsHA 6 місяців тому
Thank you two Gentlemen for the thought-provoking discussion. The difference between Mr. Peterson and Mr. Harris is: I like how Mr. Peterson says things, and I like Mr. Harris for what he has to say.
@leftinthevoidpodcast8566
@leftinthevoidpodcast8566 3 роки тому
I've never watched a debate between two intellectuals and thought...Thank god the moderator is here to provide an interpretation.
@malik4142
@malik4142 2 роки тому
He did a great job.
@kanikapandey7240
@kanikapandey7240 2 роки тому
@Amey Tiwari what does back then means?
@r.g.1166
@r.g.1166 2 роки тому
@Amey Tiwari I think Sam declared they don't exist.
@r.g.1166
@r.g.1166 2 роки тому
@Amey Tiwari I don't waste any time on him.
@Brandon-vy6uw
@Brandon-vy6uw 5 років тому
It doesn’t matter “who won” what matters is that these topics are being conversed in a healthy, mature and intellectual way like so.
@jessieg5877
@jessieg5877 5 років тому
not at all, sam's argument was based on solid logic, JP was full of subjective crap.
@seenaspat
@seenaspat 5 років тому
So TRUE, I am getting tired of all the videos out there with titles like "Jordan destroys X" or "Whoever owns Y", it's not the point to see who wins what, it's a matter of getting closer to the truth or reason.
@Wintermute909
@Wintermute909 5 років тому
Yep! Thank you
@user-sg6jv4hp3x
@user-sg6jv4hp3x 5 років тому
@@jessieg5877 why are you even commenting this.. it only shows you have tunnel vision.
@bodombeastmode
@bodombeastmode 5 років тому
I believe you are right about decrying the notion that "winning" is what's important in this conversation. After all, it's technically not a debate. However, it does matter who has the better ideas, and anyone who comes out of this conversation thinking that JP had the better ideas is just deluding themselves. One of the main problems with JP and Shapiro is that they fancy themselves as intellectuals and thought-leaders, but they have one foot in rationality and one foot in ancient dogmatism. When they debate or have a conversation with someone like SH, that issue gets put on full display. Jordan was floundering on stage like a fish out of water when he was put into a position of defending the bible's abhorrent stance on slavery. At this point, anyone who still looks to JP for insightful, compelling rhetoric is sadly being sold snake-oil. This is the man who said on Joe Rogan's podcast that he didn't sleep for twenty-five days because he drank apple cider. Fucking apple cider, folks. He said that he had a feeling of impending doom because of an allergic reaction to sulfites and did not sleep for nearly a month. This man has a PhD for fuck's sake. Joe even gave him a chance to clean up what he said and walk it back as an exaggeration. He didn't budge. This is the man that people who detest so-called "beta males" look to for insight. What is more "beta male" that being taken down for a month by fucking apple cider? This guy is a carnival barker of the highest order.
@user-py9bv4nv1s
@user-py9bv4nv1s 2 місяці тому
As a teacher, a father and a theologian fascinated by humanities phycological desire for theology and also humanities desire to move beyond theology and God. I thank Jordan and Sam for celebrating the power of 'the dialectic'. This is a celebration of what we are capable off, what we should strive towards, respectful discorce, respectful argument and the desire to gracefully move forward rational debate and provide our children the ability it find there voice and start there journey towards there own debate, there own 'dialectal' journey.
@VinnieG-
@VinnieG- 7 місяців тому
This is one beautiful discussion to watch About the holy people that are so worshipped because of the effect they had, you don't need to be holy for that. When I was 12 and a very depressed angry emo kid, I got pulled out of that because of the loving and caring attitude of 1 female friend, I think it's people who can spread that love can have a profound effect on people.
@TR13400
@TR13400 7 місяців тому
I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but you're way on the surface level of interpretation of Petersons arguments. He's talking about our intuitions about good, what is good, what makes humans inclined to do good things? Or bad things ofc. He's saying that the thing that drives humans to do good is the internal intuitive belief that the survival and well being of as much humans as possible, for as long as possible is what good is. But why are we driven towards survival and we'll being? Why doesn't humanity just kill itself off? It's because there's something in us, there's something in our minds that tell us, that knows that things are supposed to be a certain way. What is it that drove your friend to support you and to help you? You're saying she was a good person, but what drove her to do that? Peterson is saying that she was acting in a way that that suggests she believes in a greater power, and that there way a purpose behind her actions.
@shawnmccullough7132
@shawnmccullough7132 3 роки тому
I spilled alfredo sauce on my shirt while watching this. I’ve never felt more stupid than in that precise moment.
@robosing225
@robosing225 3 роки тому
Balanced as all things should be.
@KT-dj4iy
@KT-dj4iy 3 роки тому
Not a white shirt then?
@jacobandersen6075
@jacobandersen6075 2 роки тому
@@robosing225 haha
@squishypandaelephant
@squishypandaelephant 2 роки тому
😂😂😂
@ZEROIDEAPodcast
@ZEROIDEAPodcast 2 роки тому
I was scrolling and reading comments... and this one was unparalleled.
@maksympt1
@maksympt1 3 роки тому
The moderator is amazing. After one hour of back and forth discussion he just steps in and in 5 minutes makes everyone agree.
@artonio5887
@artonio5887 3 роки тому
well that's because it's not just any moderator, it's Bret Weinstein, someone who i'd easily put on the same level of the other two intellectually.
@LWKGD
@LWKGD 3 роки тому
They dont disagree..... at all... peterson just has an issue saying GOD IS NOT LITERALLY REAL SORRY TO EVERYONE THAT THINKS HE IS HE JUST ISNT. BUT the bible has alot of amazing stories we could all learn valuable moral lessons from and we should take those to heart... but no jesus is not coming back to save you and god is not listening and answering you and hes not "Watching you"... this isnt really as difficult as they keep trying to make it..
@maksympt1
@maksympt1 3 роки тому
@@LWKGD that wasn't my point
@LWKGD
@LWKGD 3 роки тому
@@maksympt1 i wasnt saying what i said directed against your comment it was more of the fact adding that he didnt have to really make them AGREE they do already basically its just a weird denial that peterson has to where he doesnt like to just say straight up that god as people generally see god isnt the god that he believes in nor is it beneficial to do so..
@LWKGD
@LWKGD 3 роки тому
@@irohsang7601 thats what i already said above..
@RobertHollander
@RobertHollander 9 місяців тому
Sam Harris is so effective that he even inspires Jordan Peterson sufficiently that he starts to become comprehensible.
@alyssamiles2909
@alyssamiles2909 9 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson has always been comprehensible, presuming that your vocabulary is wide enough to understand his word choice. He is incredibly clear and precise, perhaps the most so that I have ever heard speak.
@DiamondMcNamara
@DiamondMcNamara 9 місяців тому
@@alyssamiles2909 he speaks religious gobbledigooookkk
@Syncronoise
@Syncronoise 9 місяців тому
@@alyssamiles2909 It's comprehensible, sure, but it doesn't align with reality is the issue. I'll paraphrase how Hawking puts it, "Philosophers have not taken science sufficiently serious, and as such Philosophy is not longer relevant to knowledge claims." In math this occurs as well, where math can be done that's really nice and pretty, but serves next to no practical purpose outside of being really satisfying. Peterson says a lot of things that simply get cut out by Hitchen's, Einstein's, and Occam's razor.
@gabehart3085
@gabehart3085 8 місяців тому
@@DiamondMcNamara so you're theologically illiterate? is that what you're saying?
@DiamondMcNamara
@DiamondMcNamara 8 місяців тому
@@gabehart3085 ONE NATION UNDER ZEUS. In Zeus we trust. Zeus bless you, Gabehart, so help me Zeus.
@zikurick6365
@zikurick6365 3 місяці тому
A wonderful demonstration of the art of conversation that is so rare between differing points of view.
@m.n.executor1902
@m.n.executor1902 Рік тому
never have i seen a moderator grab our attention so much while just doing his job. that man is a legend.
@Fuckingboredrn
@Fuckingboredrn Рік тому
Bret weinstein is a treasure for sure. Super smart guy in his own right with a really interesting story behind his own "claim to fame"
@m.n.executor1902
@m.n.executor1902 Рік тому
@@Fuckingboredrn I might look him up, he's awesome
@killercuddles7051
@killercuddles7051 Рік тому
22:38 I thought he was going to say, "ya bul Dee dee dee, That's All Folks." 😂
@m.n.executor1902
@m.n.executor1902 Рік тому
@@killercuddles7051 lol you crazy
@awto6412
@awto6412 Рік тому
👍🏻🌹
@HappyGhetto
@HappyGhetto 5 років тому
The audience seems to clap at the most anticlimactic of times, almost like they don't understand when someone has made a valid point. If it takes Jordan and Sam 5 seconds or so at least to think through what the other has said, I doubt everyone in the audience has figured out if what was said is correct almost instantly. I suspect they don't really understand what is being said, but just clap if it sounds like a good point is being made. It makes me cringe at some points.
@dairylandbogurt
@dairylandbogurt 5 років тому
HappyGhetto the applause in general sort of bothers me. It sounds like drunks at an rock concert or something, not an attentive audience at a debate.
@HumanTypewriter
@HumanTypewriter 5 років тому
They're thinking of a response not if it is a valid point. I like the applause.
@GeorgeKiernan
@GeorgeKiernan 5 років тому
You could have done a better job of making this point.
@HappyGhetto
@HappyGhetto 5 років тому
​@Antonio deCarmoducci I don't think that, and I never said that. I just noticed that the clapping was weird and out of place, and it frames the debate like an intellectual MMA fight where there needs to be a winner and loser instead of just two smart people having an interesting and productive conversation.
@tuck582
@tuck582 5 років тому
@@GeorgeKiernan awesome
@s.bridges8461
@s.bridges8461 Місяць тому
It's obvious these are two men who LOVE to hear the sound of their own voice. Not caring much for this format, thought there was something wonky going on with the speaking times and went back and watched a second time (which made me question my sanity by the end). Peterson interrupted Seder's speaking time quite nearly every single time, thus managing to consume a full 75%+ of the total time. There should have been a 5 minute buzzer for each speaker and no interruptions allowed.
@bensonbrett30
@bensonbrett30 9 місяців тому
What an opening! Like Rockstars 😊
@astrobrain
@astrobrain 5 років тому
I learned like 10 new words listening to this
@stylesmarshall6990
@stylesmarshall6990 5 років тому
Dogma dogma dogma dogma
@TonyQKing
@TonyQKing 5 років тому
Ten synonyms for "like"? Wow! Here are some- breed, class, description, feather, genre, ilk, kidney, kind, manner, nature, order, sort, species, strain, stripe, type, variety Not sure where "feather" fits in... But I hope that you breed remember them instead of class using "like" in every sentence. And I hope your high-school graduation will go OK.
@jordanrivera9719
@jordanrivera9719 5 років тому
Phantasmagoria.
@TappingASMR
@TappingASMR 5 років тому
Is that just because the other 100 big words you've never heard before just went over your head like they did mine?
@robrinder123
@robrinder123 5 років тому
Can you list the words you learnt?
@luispardi1506
@luispardi1506 3 роки тому
The fact that a video like this has 3.1 million views (July 2020), actually makes me very happy and hopeful about today’s modern society and admiration for genuine hunger towards truth.
@makahoko_8510
@makahoko_8510 3 роки тому
Not enough.
@AmitYadav-yo5ce
@AmitYadav-yo5ce 3 роки тому
But the real question is how many of them watched the entire video.
@Mizmusic
@Mizmusic 3 роки тому
Totally agree!
@DeusExHomeboy
@DeusExHomeboy 3 роки тому
isn't that like 0.05% of our specie?
@cristianr.3016
@cristianr.3016 3 роки тому
It makes you happy that debates are seen as entertainment nowadays? Great...
@kirkrenshaw4743
@kirkrenshaw4743 7 місяців тому
There are simple truths, unfortunately when they are over complicated, everything becomes complicated!
@youtube-ventura
@youtube-ventura 8 місяців тому
Peterson would be better understood if he spent more time making his point and less time framing it.
@MiguelPerez-kg2oe
@MiguelPerez-kg2oe 3 роки тому
If you feel dumb watching this, remember you have to be a fool to be a master.
@callmeej8399
@callmeej8399 3 роки тому
Thank you
@apocalypsed8
@apocalypsed8 3 роки тому
I've been saying that line for weeks in front of the mirror now but my reflection ain't buying it
@jojox1733
@jojox1733 3 роки тому
@@apocalypsed8 underrated comment
@aloethej.o.a.t5566
@aloethej.o.a.t5566 3 роки тому
what a very nice way of saying that I'm still a retard
@brigwood7658
@brigwood7658 3 роки тому
and a master to be a fool ... mmm ... think about it! (or maybe don't)
@capetowncentral
@capetowncentral 2 роки тому
Other than how phenomenal this discourse is, it's so nice to see intellectual, even-tempered people in the comments. It's a very rare thing on the internet.
@jshroud
@jshroud 2 роки тому
It would be even nicer if people would Honor their example of Civil Discourse by the usual Human Nature way of EMULATION.🤓😎
@thehoboeskimo9888
@thehoboeskimo9888 2 роки тому
o i can change that if u want XD
@hugomiguel6319
@hugomiguel6319 2 роки тому
Just pointing that out means you have a toxic mentality. Sad but true.
@ts4gv
@ts4gv 2 роки тому
🙄
@dionst.michael1482
@dionst.michael1482 2 роки тому
Who asked ya?! Lol! Just kiddin
@davidlamb7524
@davidlamb7524 7 місяців тому
Jordan spent three minutes describing steelmanning. He could have also called it Augustinian argument. The reference he made was typically an over-complication of a simple idea.
@philmay7834
@philmay7834 9 місяців тому
Sam can answer a question , or make a point, in a sentence or two. JP never does either, he just goes round and round! It’s meat and potatoes versus a pretty, but non- nutritious word salad!
@wevsitekilo9072
@wevsitekilo9072 28 днів тому
In other words you hear goo goo gaga and go yay! Too many words bad!
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 4 роки тому
I enjoyed hearing both Harris' and Peterson's points of view. But I was really impressed with Brett Weinstein's ability as a moderator here.
@someone-vk6gk
@someone-vk6gk 4 роки тому
Yes Brett deserves a credit too
@vaden706
@vaden706 4 роки тому
The man is a genius in his own right
@amirshayanarmaghan4745
@amirshayanarmaghan4745 3 роки тому
The most constructive moderator I've ever seen; Without him, everybody including the debate parties would have been lost within the first 30 minutes.
@minzblatt
@minzblatt 3 роки тому
Plus he made up for audience questions with some good ones of his own.
@shiskeyoffles
@shiskeyoffles 3 роки тому
@@minzblatt ya.. I really wanted at least 1 audience Q&A in their 4 debates (8 hours) but never got it.
@rationalsceptic7634
@rationalsceptic7634 3 роки тому
Brett is a Professor of Evolutionary Biology
@arjangap2551
@arjangap2551 5 місяців тому
I felt like my time turned into gold while watching this.
@peterstanghellini393
@peterstanghellini393 3 місяці тому
loved this discussion. I think I am more of a Spiritual believer than focused on God although I have often been on my knees praying to a Higher Being many times. It's hard to defend the Bible. However I look at society and we cant agree on so many issues. I think it's a good thing or at least beneficial to hold oneself accountable to a higher being or maybe some would call it a conscience.
@adamd.557
@adamd.557 5 років тому
The amount of applause after almost every statement really takes away from the discussion.
@cyrushyram5673
@cyrushyram5673 5 років тому
I agree, the crowd was a distraction. Debates like this don't benefit from emotional response. People have chosen their side long beforehand and don't often want to change sides regardless of anything.
@Phenom98
@Phenom98 5 років тому
@@cyrushyram5673 yeah. Why do we have to choose sides? That's friggin retarded, man. Can't we keep a neutral position until we hear and understand what they're saying?
@numinous4789
@numinous4789 5 років тому
Usually the amount of applause in an audience like this is directly proportionate to the degree of confirmation bias. People love echo chambers.
@thefunpolice8416
@thefunpolice8416 5 років тому
Yeah fuck crowds
@tetesdeveaux9550
@tetesdeveaux9550 5 років тому
@@cyrushyram5673 agreed
@matthewdanielsiskin
@matthewdanielsiskin 5 років тому
my brain feels like it's benching 350 watching these two dig into it. so thankful for all of this.
@pb5626
@pb5626 5 років тому
lol, benching 350...nice
@BeridotSegas
@BeridotSegas 5 років тому
matthew daniel Siskin do you even lift
@matthewdanielsiskin
@matthewdanielsiskin 5 років тому
peridot vegas lol I do yoga and read piles of books bud. Lift I do not.
@BeridotSegas
@BeridotSegas Рік тому
@@nahyeahwhatsahandle calm down there little sonshine. take a breather.
@claudiamuller3798
@claudiamuller3798 8 місяців тому
Sam: made a good point Jordan: i agree with you, but... Sam: made a good point Jordan: i agree with you, but... Jordan's urge to make everything more complicated than it is, is an attrition tactic on his part.
@Banned4Life
@Banned4Life 6 місяців тому
He dilutes and obfuscates simply not to be forwardly countered. I don't appreciate the approach, but I'll give him the fact that it's like watching Ali juke and dodge, bob and weave punches against the ropes.
@loganshalloe5927
@loganshalloe5927 6 місяців тому
Maybe the truth is in fact complicated
@WJV542
@WJV542 6 місяців тому
Wouldn’t be much of a debate if they agree on everything
@drygordspellweaver8761
@drygordspellweaver8761 6 місяців тому
Clean your room. Wash your penis. Nuff said
@tatapclaude1222
@tatapclaude1222 6 місяців тому
It is quite easy to ask the questions why things are the way they are and raise criticism which is exactly what Sam is doing and it is more than complicated to give accurate explanation and evidence as to why things are the way they are which ;Jordan is trying to do so perfectly. If you listen closely you'll understand that Sam is just asking questions and criticizing the way things are which is easy to do while Jordan is trying to give explanation, an answer and a possible justification at least to the way things are which is way more difficult and complicated than you can possibly think
@elsenored562
@elsenored562 8 місяців тому
1:27 Moderator: "... We are existing in a moment when all of the systems that have helped us make sense are breaking down."
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