I laughed every damn time and I just finished a book on stoicism.

I believe Marcus Aurelius advocated the philosophy of Stoicism. If so, you could try Meditations.

@david wolf Meditations is good, anything by Seneca is good, and if you want a modern book that gives a good summary and interpretation with modern examples, The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday is a good read.

Lots of meditation

@david wolf Start with Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Really good book!

Ben “well the Secular response to that” Shapiro

Depends on what you mean by premiums

It's no joke man.

Glitter Maiden 😂😂❤️

@@stephanieniedermayer8092 XD

This is fucking brilliant!!!!

That's Sam's whole life.

@Vip Foundation damn what a waste of my time

@Vip Foundation I’m just not as easily amused as you

@Vip Foundation thanks you too

😂

That's all what you get from all of discussion?

@@adin4545 Why? He just pointed one funny thing out, he doesn't say that's all the conversation had to offer. You can talk about a part of a conversation without analyzing the whole debate you know.

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Phate, the Thing is that he is not stupid. Of course he sais "you will sorry when you will be older" and you will see inevitable the importance to have had an insurance. More, he sais indirectly to be inteligent and think about that right now. But Albeit_Jordan and you dont think about that posibility of explanation, isnt it? A joke is not a joke if is not a reason and intelligent behind it. This is just an etalation of the contrary. Ps: sorry for my english but i think was acceptable.

Michael McCarty I could see trump doing it.

😂😂😂

Oh man, I love this!

This really hits something profound; I laughed so hard. I think this IDW movement is gonna stumble against the pressures of the market. After hearing Ben try to convince me to buy something kinda makes the things he says afterwards seem less honest ...

Jesse Prevallet I think he's just staying consistent. Same number of spots for sponsors, placed at the same time. Gotta pay the bills, he keeps it overall neutral and consistent

Benjamin .Heneberry Fact

Even though it happens daily.

Uh, yeah... So I guess you didn't actually watch the interview then, right? This could have been Sam Harris talking to Jon Lovitz' liar character from SNL and it wouldn't have had any bearing on the content of the conversation. I stand by my comment - conversations like this don't happen in the mainstream media, whether MSNBC or FOX. Shapiro freely admits to being biased to the right, which is why he's never claimed to be a journalist. He's also said on multiple occasions that his biggest problem is confirmation bias, a level of honesty that is rare on either side of the political aisle. I'm also a fan of Dave Pakman, Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore on the left - but of course THEY aren't biased at all, right? That was pretty funny quoting Snopes as a legit fact-checking source though, I have to admit.

01) I'm now POSITIVE you haven't watched the video you're commenting on. 02) You don't know what the mainstream media is? I'm afraid that's more of a comment on you than me. I can assure you it's definition is readily understood by all, not least those in the mainstream itself. 03) Shapiro's "lies" have nothing to do with his conversation with Harris, the depth of which, again, is missing from the mainstream media that you seem to not know exists. 04) You misused the word "quantify," which means "to determine, express, or measure the quantity of" multiple times. "Elaborate," "elucidate," "expound" - all better words. 05) I'm genuinely curious as to what it was about my comment, as opposed to the many below it, that set you off on the world's most embarrassing hissy-fit. Since it seems to revolve around my use of the term "mainstream media" (which you evidently think I invented out of whole cloth) I can only assume that you're around 22, 23, college student, in communications or journalism or something like that - in other words you're hoping to one day land a job in the ("thought terminating") media, probably Snopes, and therefor have an increasingly desperate need to defend it. Anyway, I look forward to your next rambling and unhinged screed. PS - I don't mind you calling me "cupcake." I like cupcakes. Cupcakes are delicious.

I finally had to google "thought terminating cliche," and while I'm not sure you're using that correctly either, its derivation has at least confirmed for me that you _are_ , as I suspected, a college student in his early twenties studying media. Anyway, as amusing as this has been, and as perversely entertaining as I've found your Strasbergian commitment to making a fool of yourself to be, I'm afraid I'm going to have to end this. When things devolve to the point of my providing you with dictionary definitions, and you fact-checking them, it's safe to say things have run their course. Last comment is yours; don't forget to include lots of randomly capitalized words, followed by accusations of cowardice and emotional fragility. PS - you really should check out the interview; Sam Harris is an interesting guy.

Just read books bruh

@@yodishtrajagatheson3154 it doesn't really work that way. Reading books will increase your vocabulary and your verbal intelligence, reading comprehension, etc. but it won't necessarily increase your articulation and verbal fluency. Vocabulary is just about knowing what words mean. Verbal fluency is how fast / how well you can think of the right words to use in the heat of the moment, which is a different thing. And reading really doesn't help that very much. I'm not sure if anything does. While a better vocabulary means you have more words to choose from, it doesn't make you faster or better at choosing them at a moment's notice. This is especially obvious if you happen to have a great vocabulary but still aren't as articulate as you want to be. In this case, you can listen to someone like Sam make a really intelligent, articulate point, and honestly say to yourself "I could never come up with a sentence like that on the spot even though every single word he used is in my vocabulary." This happens all the time, where you read something or hear someone say something about a complicated, abstract concept and it's so perfectly phrased, so articulate, so intelligent and crystal clear that you know you could've never come up with it off the top of your head. But it won't contain any words you don't know, so your vocabulary isn't the limiting factor. It's just how the words are arranged, the clarity of thought behind them, and the fact the speaker thought of them so perfectly in the moment. It's not a matter of knowing more words most of the time.

@@m74d3 Yeah i agree with that. Confidence and fluidity really make an expression well. Go sign up for the Dale Carnegie public speaking course as done by Warren Buffet

@@m74d3 Thats very true. I think writing would increase verbal fluency. I believe JP talked about this as well.

@@m74d3 Sam Harris has more experience putting words together so that the ideas expressed are sexy. We don't have enough time in our life so to make our words sexy.

I was looking for exactly this comment! This is all I could think about. Imagine having to fast mo for Sam and slow mo for Ben! Nightmare!

Nikolo lol! 😂

I usually lay in bed about an hour just listening to the Ben Shapiro show on the AM station before finally rolling over and falling asleep. I try to follow closely to Ben Shapiro's thought process but its hard sometimes...…..he talks so fast and his thoughts are often layered with examples. Last week he was talking about the new accusations against Kavenaugh. The guy is very intelligent and even redefines issues I might be on the fence on.

Weed vs coke DMT vs ritalin

Haha

Sadly, at least, 75% of Americans are either too stupid or disinterested to follow such conversations/debates.

Wow one could only hope.

The intellectual dark web is part of what Americans and the allies fought for in WW2. Now we have BOTH the alt-right nationalists and ANTIFA standing against this

Indie Music Minute the people who run for president arent smart enough for these debates nor care to have them even if they are smart.

Tyler Durden sounds like a shortcut to thinking

Just mostly wrong though

​@@TheOlzee name the one thing he gets most wrong?

@@cmhardin37 he thinks humans don’t need religion they will just get it all right because they’re human

No, he doesn't. He used to. If you go back and look at his arguments from years ago he was much better and clearer and braver in his arguments. He's lost something over the years. Also, his research and points against Christianity is extremely biased and incomplete and his understanding of the Bible is vague and generalized at best.

@@TheOlzee by "mostly" you must mean "never"

What do you disagree with and why do you disagree with him?

Hes a progressive, hes not a classical liberal. That's ridiculous

@A to me its self evident, what would make you belive hes a progressive?

lol he definitely isnt. he seems more like a social liberal (not to be confused with modern liberalism)

@@BenetbenetLive "Hes a progressive, hes not a classical liberal." Sam is a self-identified liberal, and has explicitly called himself a liberal in the more 'classical' sense of the word. Oddly enough, you couldn't be more wrong. That's truly ridiculous. I mean, unless you know Sam better than he knows himself. Your response seems arrogant enough to think so, or you're just mentally deficient. It also begs the question of what you know about classical liberalism, because Sam is a textbook liberal, in that respect.

erik shure I was thinking the same thing. He had to be laughing on the inside!

Lols

He runs out to take a piss.

This guys mouth is a machine....

Me too. Awkward.

Alexis Nash You have chosen........wisely. Tv and "the news" is garbage.

Me too lol

You know that Sam Harris tells outright lies in his religious debates, right? - ukposts.info/have/v-deo/fX6loI1kg3ui1mw.html

Alexis Nash I reach retirement age soon, grew up msm , new to internet kinda, am finding myself doing same

Try old Christopher Hitchens c spam videos or debates... his old c span with Brian lamb is great because most the topics (Middle East, health care, religion, Dems and reps, populism) it's all the same discussion, so you can understand how he thinks on present situations

That's because Ben is a mental midget compared to Sam

lol

Sam is a logical philosopher. Ben is a spoiled brat and a con.

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu lol

Haha no he doesn't

Tommy Neal Sam Xanax Harris and Ben Adderal Shapiro hahahahaha

Lmaoooo

I don’t think they TAKE the meds; I think they ARE the meds.

You made my day!

Tommy - dude, if you came up with that joke, you're a genius. HAHAHAHAH!

4browsing LOL that makes me think of the MOS Eisley Cantina in Star Wars. "We don't serve their kind here." Poor 3PO

Retro Workshop I don't know if we have enough information from our history books for me to agree.. I don't think you can base the sentiments of an entire population on what they say about its leader. When I was in the military they made a point of eliminating racism because you have to depend on each other. There were still racist people. If you are referring to institutional racism and you might be right I honestly haven't studied that much world history and I'm sure the history of many cultures was not written down for us to know about. I think that it was common to enslave those you conquered. American Indians used to enslave each other but I doubt it was based on racism since they were all Indian. I do however believe that in-group out-group Behavior has always been around and it's usually based on something superficial like skin color so to say that localized racism was caused by Christianity is probably not true.

We will worry about Martian cross breeding and whatever their skin colour is

In mars they won't have to worry about skin colour since they will all be white

@4browsing Reminds me of Martian Gothic

Fuck no, you can't listen to shit heads like Shapiro

Unfortunately the wise and the power hungry don't often sit at the same table.

Steve Moses ~ The most used phrase by life insurance salesmen 😎😎😎

My thoughts exactly lol

Steve Moses What happens when we die (an atheistic perspective) ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jnJqp6mrn5-a1HU.html

LOL

Ted Bolha Atheism Philosophy Science you linked us to your own video... I ain’t watching that crap

Adam Carroll and he doesn’t get personal. That’s one issue I have with Richard Dawkins for example. He makes his case then insults those who disagree. Sam is calm, cool and collected. Then after smiles makes a friend

It's because Harris is a liberal, not a leftist.

Adam Carroll unless you're Trump, then you're an impulsive liar who can not be trusted with the power of the presidency lol

Cool. Just ignore the career he's built by essentially calling Christians irredeemable monsters because he thinks they believe the strawman he created of the religion. Yeah. Good dude.

He literally said the left is irredeemable

Another level of delusional

@@Johnny.G.u mean ur religion

@@gastontvyoutube no not really. Really think about your own existence and the world around you. Nothing can't pass on something it doesn't have, such as an intelligent life. I can't pass on consciousness, rationality , and a moral compass if if I don't possess it... it even violates evolution's nonsense claims. You need to have traits to pass em right ? This is readily visible, And no delusional person who gets a labcoat or a degree obtained from other delusional people can change reality. They say dumb things very eloquently, but they are still dumb. And historically, scientists are known for continually getting things wrong, especially when they think they got it figured out. We havent even seen the entire ocean, how much less do we know about the universe but want to pretend that we do because of our labs. Not of that accounts for the origin of life nor is consistently logical with the reality we do have. It's all vanity and arrogance. And that blinds.

@@Johnny.G.imagine calling Sam Harris delusional 😂 L

@@HolyHuskyoh Great. You L. I guess that's where everything ends for me. Sorry to call it like it is on your false prophet/hero

I find it fascinating seeing Ben study up and move from his political playground to intellectual conversations . . . not easily done.

It is impossible to make Sam Harris angry, he uses Spock like logic to defeat all.

Sam represents most liberals but the media focuses on the sjw minority

Ben says in the discussion that they agree on 95% of the issues they hold dear. So yeah no.

well to say that they agree on 95% of values is true, I believe Ben referenced this; on the application of those values in politics and through analysis of culture however, they are on completely different sides. A person can agree with another that an issue exists, but disagree on its solution. This does not inherently mean they are in agreement.

Both are true. In the same way that despite the enormous differences in what food we like, in truth we 99% agree - nobody eats bricks, trees, motortorpedoboats or sanitary napkins, and I've heard of only one person who eats aeroplanes. Thing is, we're so used to all the things we agree on and it never comes up... so we're permanently zoomed in on the tiny fragment where we disagree. Even in "massive disagreements" like abortion. Almost any conservative would agree you are allowed to kill in self-defense, and they would also agree that if it's not a human/person, we're allowed to kill it at will. What we mainly seem to disagree on, is when personhood actually starts and where the bar lies for self-defense (especially when there's no non-lethal option).

The real problem is that people like Ben and Sam who claim they are having a “civil conversation between people who disagree” define the bounds of acceptability regarding what is ok to disagree on and what is not. Example; topics such as religion, Trump, Brexit, etc. are all fair game amongst the IDW. You hold a contrary opinion about Israel however and Ben brands you as a terrorist sympathiser. Funny how the most passionate subjects for Ben are the ones he rarely allows himself to be challenged on.

name me a specific instance in which Ben shied away from talking about Israel by simply dismissing the other side. Ben was quite vocal about Hamas and the tactics it uses to propagate the Palestinians against the israelis just a couple months ago when the US embassy opened in Jerusalem.

Believe? You think it is about believing? Srsly?

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu thanks for the review, lord of pedantics

Ben is not intelligent

@@algot34found the pseudo intellectual.

BlossomyLion there is no real disagreement. Both are Zionists and anti-semitic-Muslims.

It's not political disagreement.....it's a theological disagreement. Sam is a hard core atheist

Booff

Dialogue? Are you sure? Trying to explain to Ben anything that isn't his obsession and canonic truth would be like a person trying to explain to a bacteria... the same thing. It's would be entertaining if I could stand his voice for more than 2 seconds (in which he throws about 200 hundred words on average, 99% of which dispensable). The epitome of Idiocracy.

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu You’re so ignorant, to judge a man based on the way he speaks. It’s not hard to understand what Ben says, you’re just slow af. They were both trying to explain things to each other, that argument can be used for Harris as well.

I, for one, emphasize lenght and girth.

DoubleUpOnBob you misspelled 'length' boy-chick!

@@doubleuponbob3397 everyone emphasizes on the assets they have, not the ones they don't.

One cares about delivering an audible explanation, the other has an insecurity problem and thinks overwhelming others with loads of information makes them win debates.

Or maybe Ben Shapiro talks fast? Literally these 2 guys are friendly with each other, stop being a hater

I can see how Sam is at his best, but what did Ben say that was of any value?

⁠@@zatchidzbipartisanship has you by the balls buddy…

@@willrobbins2550 why do you insult somebody instead of answering their question and providing dialogue, which you should be in favor of as you watched this video.

RudgerBlake Wouldnt that be fascinating? Id love that.

Two Zionist Jews who are Israel first-ers? We would be at war with Iran and Syria within the hour.

unfortunately, fear and emotions are quick and easy, logic and reason and reflection are very, very, hard. Most people could care less about the detail...remember, this is a country where more people believe in bigfoot and putting all the animals on earth on one boat than believe in global warming or evolution.

Obama was capable of speech like this.

@@7788Sambaboy no need to worry about global warming its a hoax. Evolution is just atheist trying to convert you to their cult.Jesus is the way. Atheist have polluted science. Creationist are the way.

I appreciate it as well, but most youtube videos from the daily wire aren't like this. They're usually conservative news monologues. You might or might not like that type of content, but just thought I'd let you know.

Nathanael 100%, it is cool to see the effect that this movement has had on Shapiro imo. I beleive I've judged him a little too harshly and I kinda understand it now. I do not necessarily disagree with the way Maher interviewed him for instance but I can also see how the tone changed the way he responds.

For a second I thought you were saying “degree of mutant respect”, which arguably they both are.

Dennis....Yes, quite refreshing to hear this productive dialogue. It's so fruitless when people raise voices and let emotions compromise what could be a productive conversation. After listening to 2 people argue...I feel stressed and irritable. Not with these guys...very good.

The look on Sam's face was that of a gazelle about to be eaten by a lion...

Roy what happens after we die: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jnJqp6mrn5-a1HU.html

That's so true, I usually listen at 1.25 speed, but that's just too fast when it's Shapiro speaking.

Haha if you put Shapiro on 0.75 speed. He actually speaks in a good speed there, haha.

You should try and listen to what Sam says and realize he should probably stay at 1 speed. Ben talks faster but says less. Also have some fucking respect for Sam Harris. He's at least twice as smart as Ben

Looks pretty normal, seems like the handshake was more of a "thank you" than a "goodbye"

you might have not noticed it, but Sam laid into the other dude at times

@@mohsenbari1083because Ben was making bad points

I don't understand why I always see this comment. It should be normal that two people should just have a normal debate and it not be anything other than civil. We really are rejoicing in the bare minimum these days

@@MilesStonerthe real legacy of Donald Trump- the destruction of intelligent public discourse

@@MilesStoner it's not the bare minimum a******. So tired of people like you acting like being able to have a civil conversation is normal. This is parody.

So true.

yes

​@@anthonyreed480 I don't agree with this equation. Henry Cavil's manliness is too much even with a 0.5 multiply handicap

Lmfao

I would add a bit of Bradley Cooper too actually.

i agree. i think the main reason is the, "us or them," mentality. now granted, i have no problem for people being in a particular camp. but, you need to be able to shake hands across that line.

What's funny is that some people on the Internet have said that they talk the same way in real life as they do on the Net. They're obviously lying, because, otherwise, nobody would want anything to do with them.

@Liberal Nation Agreed, but given the state of being, I think we should take a win when it gets handed to us.

Thing is, all of Sam's discussions are like this. While for Ben, it's typically "Shapiro destroys college freshman". 99% of times Ben argues to score points, not actually get at the truth, hence his rapid word salad delivery with little actual arguments, which Sam casually and patiently corrects throughout this video. So yeah, people should internalize this style of debating, including Ben.

@@cristianrusu2529 Just because you disagree with Ben doesn't mean he's wrong. He's right about everything, except foreign policy.

lol

Ben's family watched this and collectively got a massive headache from the sub-300 IQ conversation which to them sounded like two retarded chicken cackling

I uh-gah-reeee with that.

What ? No , c'mon , I love that old school ad pitching . The old black and white sitcoms used to work them into the show . I like it , a little more give-a-fuck and it seems much less annoying that ads on tv.

Something I've noticed is that on whatever channel, 80% of ad reads are 30 or 60 seconds long so they are very easy to skip with the 10 second skip key on pc and mobile, totally does ruin the flow of conversation though yeah.

He could still make direct pitches that way, just without interrupting the guest.

Ah , I get what you're saying now . It's not the direct pitches , like he does on his regular show , that bothers you - it's that he's doing it while with a guest . I take your point . I supposed I'd prefer if we got a full hour of interview .

Pre-roll and mid-roll live reads are just the way podcasts are monetized in the current market.

Shinkansen touché

Sandmanuel that’s because he is a reasonable person. Not every religious person hates homosexuals just because they view the act of homosexuality a sin. We all sin, if we hate everyone bc they sin, we will hate everyone and ourselves.

Shinkansen xddd

Mrs Press I think you missed the joke...

Bardorp just because there is a joke in the comment doesn’t make the whole comment a joke.

He graduated harvard law at 23. I love this conversation

LOL! I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees their resemblances to each other. If you really pretend that it's Ben Stiller, it's almost like he's doing an impression of an intellectual. When Sam Harris sometimes raises his eyebrow, it looks like Zoolander doing one of his famous modeling "looks."

Well, he is Batman after all

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@Richard Dixon With a blue steel.

This comment made my week

Sam audience is more refined that shit wouldn’t hold

@@SimonFaur94 has he contributed to neuroscience?(i mean he clearly has) or any job that he has i don't know about, just curious

@Smallie Biggs His mother created the TV show "Golden Girls".

I remember when sam had jack from Twitter on his podcast. That sounded like audio chloroform

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I died from this comment 😂😂😂😂😂😂

lol

Not Sure I concur

It doesn't make much sense, it's a UKposts video. Sam and Ben both have nothing better to do than talk about things. I mean this is how both of them make money right?

It makes a lot of difference because you don't have to "rush" your argument when there is no time limit e.g

I agree. I really wish there was no time limit, or at least more time.

I want 4 hours of Sam and Ben talking about the big questions

it's a total mental massacre. a genius versus a grifting moron

Shapiro is WAY out of Harris' league.

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 In that Shapiro is retarded and an idiot grifter who panders to morons without any actual tangible points or information? Did you say this backward? How is it possible that a human being could watch this and come to that conclusion? Astonishing

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 Hah, ok!

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 way out of his league... in terms of a LACK of intellectual honesty and philosophical rigor? well then sure

I totally agree. I aspire to have that sort of temperament and articulation.

@@PaddyAztec Yeah same, what a role model!

Ben isn’t? Lol no I’m joking both men are great additions and assets to the human race. Now if we can get rid of the “libtard” mentality we might be alright!

I don’t get his argument tho. So believing in a Big Bang “theory” is more plausible then believing in god?

Hahahahahaha!! what a joke! He is just an ignorant who believe he knows something.

These two could go back-and-forth for hours.

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I agree with that.

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You shouldn’t be happy for the mere mention of our religion (I’m jain myself) it was appalling to me that Ben Shapiro absolutely ignored non-Abrahamic religions and Jainism is much more than Ben put it out to be. I personally really liked Sam Harris in this debate.

@@sanjana9695 Right. Probably I shouldn't be. But you don't see people talking about Jainism on international forums much. Yes, Ben Shapiro is not really guided by reason and facts here. PS I'm not really religious. I'm Jain only culturally.

Some of the concepts in Jainism is taken into Hinduism.

@@karthikeyanm.v8381 Correct. Undoubtedly

my paternal family is Jain and I was pleasantly surprised with its appearance precisely because no one really knows about it!

Sam Harris is the best.

Arm with enough knowledge, people will not be angry or agitated if their belief and perception are being chanllenged and questioned, because they can back up their position, with all the knowledge they got from extensive reading. It is those who got the knowledge from someone else, defend that secondary knowledge without individual thinking, when chanllenged, lacks the information to defend their position, those people tend to resort to violence, as they can no longer defend their believe and blames it on the other people who have different opinions, they view it as insult, where as most of the time, it is just rational questions. Frankly it is quite stupid, but it is still happening in todays world, like the fight between Liberal and Republican.

my problem with Ben Shaprio is that he is too smart to actually believe the bullshit he is saying, which mean he is intentionally lying

This is the type of conversation we should all aspire to

You can get hold of handkerchiefs during Shapiro's disturbing promotional hijackings.

sidewaysfcs0718 a big part of it is actually being in physical contact. Anonymity of the internet makes it easy to create a bubble.

Smo Cloud - Bingo.

Yeah, but religion needs to die, and disappear....

They grew up in the same arrogant town so they have a sweet spot for one another.

​@And Violate Now that confuses me. Why would an atheist hate my comment?

Computer no understand metaphor

What about the mattresses?

How about free real estate.

I'm confused. Sam is an intellectual. Ben is... well, you don't really know? He's been debunked in every single one of his claims. By actual intellectuals. And Logic alone. Ben is a con.

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6huone correct statement from Ben Shapiro, of which there are obviously many, disproves your entire comment. What a dumb thing to say

Since when did Ben sharpiro become anything other than a political commentator that stupid people like to watch?

juniorgod321 DIET COKE!!!!!!

Original

juniorgod321 huh?

codycast Ben Stiler starts in Tropic Thunder, him and Sam Harris are almost twins.

😂😂

Well, he did rehash some twenty-year experience with the topic of religion. A lot of the arguments Sam made here were mentioned in The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. Not that this makes these arguments any less valid.

if sam impresses you, you havent read much well written atheist literature and i say that as a christian...

@@xxxmmm3812 I realize that his ideas are not neccessairly purely his own but a mixture of all that he's read on the subject which is more than you or I can say I reckon. I like how he calmly articulates his points in his responses though. Also not quite as eloquent and original as this might be from John Stuart Mill on religion: "He (Mill’s father) regarded it with the feelings due not to a mere mental delusion, but to a great moral evil. He looked upon it as the greatest enemy of morality: first, by setting up fictitious excellences, --belief in creeds, devotional feelings, and ceremonies, not connected with the good of human kind, --and causing these to be accepted as substitutes for genuine virtues: but above all, by radically vitiating the standard of morals; making it consist in doing the will of a being, on whom it lavishes indeed all the phrases of adulation, but whom in sober truth it depicts as eminently hateful....Think of a being who would make a Hell --who would create the human race with the infallible foreknowledge, and therefore with the intention, that the great majority of them were to be consigned to horrible and everlasting torment. The time, I believe, is drawing near when this dreadful conception of an object of worship will be no longer identified with Christianity...The same slovenliness of thought, and subjection of the reason to fears, wishes and affections, which enable them to accept a theory involving a contradiction in terms, prevents them from perceiving the logical consequences of the theory…The evil is, that such a belief keeps the ideal wretchedly low; and opposes the most obstinate resistance to all thought which has a tendency to raise it higher. Believers shrink from every train of ideas which would lead the mind to a clear conception and an elevated standard of excellence, because they feel (even when they do not distinctly see) that such a standard would conflict with many of the dispensations of nature, and with much of what they are accustomed to consider as the Christian creed. And thus morality continues a matter of blind tradition, with no consistent principle, nor even any consistent feeling, to guide it. " - John Stuart Mill

He's a philosophical thinker who experimented with drugs. If you want to expand your thinking, deeper more complex thinking then listen to him; Or you can work towards self improvement through faith like many people do.

@@kadenhepner9767 Ha ha. No. Just. No

needs to work on the ads. Doesn't everyone have a patreon now?

phuse99 What about the Sabbath? Does no one care about the Sabbath?

Well, if its a day if rest, i'd interpret that as do what you want on that day. and they're pre-recorded.

The Sabbath is Saturday, I think. Sunday for Christians.

SquareRootOf2 No I don't think so. I worked for an Israeli company and they where practicing Jew's who always closed Sunday for the Sabbath. The reason Christianity uses Sunday for Sabbath is because of ancient Judaism. Though I have heard you can take the Sabbath any day. As long as you set one day aside for rest, and contemplation. I believe most people use the 7th day of the week, because that is the day YHWH rest's after the creation of the world in the old testament.

Ayub Sharif apostatise

I think you guys should be more respectful of this guy. Regardless of his ideology, I doubt he advocates killing apostates if he liked Sam Harris

90schildnostalgia respect would be great, but the irony of this movement is their incessant ‘it’s ok to disagree’ or ‘intellectual tolerance’ message, yet their audience being the most intolerant bunch imaginable.

Alex Lewis I think it's just the loudest ones mate... at least I hope so!

Death for apostasy is up for debate in the Quran. Yes, it's a horrible concept but not one that all Muslims subscribe to. My problem with you is that you want to tar all Muslims with the same brush. He did nothing but complement the conversation so for you to go for the jugular is unwarranted, and only likely to antagonise moderate Muslims. You are actually preventing a reasonable discussion which is precisely what Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris value. I'd suggest you 1) get to know the wide range of Muslim beliefs and practices held across the world, much like Christianity it is not homogeneous, 2) have a little empathy for other human beings who may have been born into such ideologies and 3) think about a solution to the problem

Rama Gitananda the Bible was written by men inspired by god and later changed by men who were not

Justin Rees wouldn't you have to see the original to know that?

Rama Gitananda it’s a matter of studying several different translations and understanding the history of how the Bible was put together. Also if you believe in modern day revelation continuing the truths found in the Bible things become much clearer.

Justin Rees, raising the subject of "different translations" seems like a red herring since my question was about the original scriptures which were not written in English. My question was rhetorical - of course you need knowledge of the original scriptures to know if they were "later changed".

I think we forget that history didn't start yesterday or even 300 years ago. The bible is written for people over 2000 years ago and is still pertinent for us today. Jesus completed the old testament and gave us a new covenant of grace. So when you say verses that could be taken out..you forget that people didn't have certain medicine 4000 years ago and it was best for them not to eat certain foods or practice certain things..

Mah man!

"intelligence" is subjective....just like "attractive women and men" is subjective...just because there's a human majority consensus of what "intelligence might be" doesn't make it objectively intelligent.

also...who created the objective term for intelligence? the cave men who had no concept of such according to historical textbooks...

@@mattgaebel7341 There are very objective tests for intelligence. You may have preference for certain aspect of intelligence just like the preference for certain aspects of beauty, though. Trust me, cavemen, if there was ever anything like that, had definitive sense of beauty and intelligence. They may not had scientific definitions and measurements. But, they definitely knew these qualities.

@@NavaidSyed hey navaid, great points man :). But also, there are objective tests, but who created the word "intelligence" is what I'm saying to define it as such.

Will E they are.

Agreed. Do it like they do in the H3H3 podcasts. Also, if you watch from 18:00-18:05 you can tell there's no cut there so his ads, or at least that one, aren't pre-recorded.

Get pay less for pre records😂

I second that. 😂😂😂

He is a moralist and bases his position on The Moral Law Giver. Shapiro’s knowledge goes beyond thoughts of men. Sam’s “facts” are subjective, he relies only on limited ideas of other men - and formulates his opinions from those observations. They both articulate ideas with ease, however Ben is a realist and Sam a relativist: there is no truth if it is relative to your existential reality. Sam has no foundation. Ben stands on stone.

@@patrickstephens1203you have your analysis of them completely backwards.

LMAO true.@@skthenovelist9501

@@patrickstephens1203Ben stands on the Bible. As far away from stone as you can get lol

Well, sadly the number of individual thinker who consider every opinions and reasoning out there before arriving at a conclusion is too few. It is much easier for most people to form an opinon base on what they are being fed, much easier to post facebook and hold signs for hours. Because to be able to be a individual thinker, you need to read a lot to learn, be able to question your own belief to strenghthen it, most people simply dont have time or the will to do it, they would rather made up their mind base on information someone else fed them, then defend these opinion base on information that doesn't show every element of the discussion. Thats why when their argument become rather weak, they get angry and agigtated, because these opinions are not from themselves, and they lack the information to back up what they said. So they either start cursing or ignoring other sides opinions or even start fights. Individual thinking that can be back up by tons of informations needs a lot of work to achieve, i am sure these guys read tons of book and research, and most people are lasy and just want a quick answer they can stick to, unforunately.

Great comment couldn't agree more

spot on

I really want social policies that discourage idiots from breeding for this reason

Der Jannynator and Eric Weinstein 👌

Just San, Ben, Peterson, and Neil

If you're from the 70s/80s then you know D&D is of the devil. Fact. 🤣

All while high af

Sam:warlock, Shapiro:sorcerer, Peterson:cleric, Joe:monk/ranger, Bret:Paladin, Crowder:barbarian.

2012NWFF The fact that we are going to die is the gateway drug to western religion

That's why he smiles

NICK W Not really, it can also be the gateway to hedonism. "YOLO" for instance is not the making of religious people.

Can't speak for Ben (as a Jew), but myself as a Christian, I would ironically smile as well, because for true Christians death is a sweet release. And it means we get to go be with Jesus/God in heaven. Something infinitely better than this life on earth...….in a nut shell. That's why Paul (in the Bible) says that "to live is Christ, and to die is gain". You gain much more when you die (as a true Christian).

2012NWFF Why are you still using "lol" in 2018?

🥱you just yapping

Except Sam’s “wide audience” Is far smaller than Ben’s

@@willrobbins2550unfortunately

By learn from him, you mean agree with you and join you on the voyage of futility and stupidity.

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GeneralZodd99 especially with the PC brigade

Daniel Dennett didn't coin the term steel manning

@Boredguy112 he never said he did just that he used it ill probably be sick of the sight of it soon all these philosophy for beginners readers love straw man and ad hominem attacks and if that fails they attack your grammar spelling or just abuse you

steelmanning comes from eric weinstein justs fyi

R.I.P Hitchens

Nah, that would be Harris and Peterson in a discussion. Ben is slightly over matched here.

LawofCinema no ben is wrong Sam is right.

You have to up those standards. They were both pretty bad at this. Ben is such a smart guy but when it comes to this he's no good. The evidence for theism is pretty overwhelming but on this topic he randomly decides "you can't use evidence on this". Well, yes you can. Sam is almost as equally low quality in his arguments. Especially where the historical record is concerned. He just buys into the grade school textbook account of medieval Europe, for instance (and Ben doesn't even know how to counter those basic errors). No serious historian really thinks the "dark ages" were a real thing anymore, even if the term still gets used. It was an era remarkable for its low amounts of violence and steady technological and political progress. If Sam debated someone like a Norman Geisler he'd be out of his league. I have no idea how this guy got famous for arguing for atheism except choosing ignorant opponents to make himself look good?

jlopez47 Harris argues religion all the time. Ben analyzes politics. Sam would be a bit out of his element going down the political rabbit hole too.

Seraph O. Storms so when you say there's evidence for theism, what are you talking about specifically? I agree with you, im just curious to know your point of view. What should Ben have referenced that he didn't?

True. Bennie is a clown

Well, it was an interview and not a debate so...

Ben Shapiro doesn't look quite as intelligent when he doesn't control how long students are talking, allot interlocutors mere seconds to state their position, rebut with a fallacy, and refuse to afford his interlocutors fair time to debunk and criticize his dishonesty. Shocker. The only ones impressed by Ben Shapiro are the ones too daft to meaningful distinguish rhetoric from reason.

All of you guys are so dumb. First off, this is an interview. But that's not that important. What matters is that they both agree on A LOT of things. Ben shapiro has said that there is a reasonable and decent argument on the questionability of the existence of God.

@@RashidMBey enjoyed the conversation, neither looks like an idiot to me. Shapiro still seems highly intelligent.