Equating social security and medicare to grade school pizza parties is classic conservative/libertarian brain rot.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding." -Upton Sinclair

Rich guys complaining about social security, then putting their hands out for government subsidies, tax breaks, or bail outs🤦🏻‍♂️

Five minutes earlier in the interview Patrick used popularity as a metric to quantify the greatness of Jordan Peterson.

"I'll teach my kids how to never rely on social security." *Gives kids a small loan of millions of dollars.

I am a tax accountant and it's absurd to me that social security has a cap. All it tells me is that the working class contributes all of their money dollar for dollar at 6.2% while the richer get a cap with a less effective rate, but can extract their social security at the max rate (as they should be able to). These are the same people that claim it's an entitlement program, but feel entitled to take their entire share out. Raise the cap, everyone gets a withdrawal raise and less dependency on socializing the American Corporatist 401k system. There's a reason it's popular because it works and it benefits the majority of Americans. It is social insurance and Sam nailed it.

7:06 this also goes back to Sam’s earlier statement, that -not only does Social Security prevents 2/3 of the elderly from falling into poverty, it also helps the younger generation of the those elderly people from having to impoverish themselves to keep their parents, grandparents, or other loved ones alive as they age and their medical needs increase.

PBD has a tendency to defensively flip to "personal responsibility" when losing an argument on the merits. This is a great example, saying "but society is better off we all don't need it." AKA 'just make better decisions and you won't need Social Security'. He did this all throughout the podcast.

I trust Social Security more than I trust Wallstreet. Not even close.

Sam is a saint for having to suffer these fools.

What fascinates me about people like PBD is that they always seem to look at things in society in a vacuum and never ask why things operate the way they do, so when you end up questioning how society would work under their preferred system, they either don't have a clear answer, or they end up just reconstructing the society we live in now.

I happen to like pbd, but when Sam hit them with the " no no, I'm looking at the social security trust fund actuarial data" I almost spit out my tea! Sam is an intelligent guy, best come prepared if you're to have him on the show! Awesome work, Sam.

I'm a case manager in a hospital and sign older people up for medicaid a lot. There are so many poor working class people like waitresses and cashiers that have to rely on these programs. It just makes me so mad that these conservatives look down on these hard working people because they need these programs.

PBD is the king of the anecdote. He thinks he wins every argument with those.

Right wingers: "Popularity is not a way to qualify something" Also right wingers: Don't want to debate Sam Seder because he's not "popular enough".

Medicare and Social Security are so effective, AND seniors love the programs regardless of party affiliation. Young Americans. ask your grandparents and parents.

I watched David P interview this guy and it was equally as frustrating. Watching wealthy selfish conservatives argue to perpetuate inequality is so infurating.

Shocking how those who don’t need Social Security don’t want anyone else to have it.

I discovered the PBD show when Kyle was on. PBD and his co-host are completely insufferable. They solely judge someone’s worth as a human based on their bank account and if you aren’t wealthy they classify it as a moral failure on your part. They will make you feel guilty for sleeping 4 hours a night instead of out there “grinding”.

Bless Sam for being able to talk assertively to the scammy guys.

Bet David made his money through PHP which is an MLM scheme disguised as insurance, where his only customers are his insurance agents. The only way to sign up for a policy is by becoming an agent, then the agent gets other people to sign up also as agents, and the fee they pay gets passed on the books as signing up for a policy, that's how they make it seem like their business is insurance, when in reality it is a get rich quick scheme. This guy is incredibly shady, and I'm glad you went to his show and kept him on his toes. (But should have done your research on his MLM company and should have brought it up during the episode)

I thoroughly enjoyed when BPD was caught staring dejectedly at the floor right after Sam destroyed his ridiculous pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps trope about how he would raise his sons to not need social security by reminding him that he was an insurance salesman.

Amazing of Sam to speak to these guys and not lose his absolute mind

They're called 'entitlements' because you are and should be ENTITLED to them. It's a basic human dignity that we have agreed everyone should have. That's NOT something to be ashamed of. We did good. Let's do more.

I was hit head on by a drunk driver a week before my 18th birthday. I have been disabled my whole adult life. If it was up to these guys, my children and I would starve to death.

You know you're talking with adolescents when they compare real-life situations to things that happen in high school.

People opposing social security are ignoring the fact that workers pay into this fund their entire working lives. Do they think this should become a slush fund for the government while they starve to death when they are no longer able to work?

THANK YOU for again reminding us all that we are citizens, not mere "consumers."

Sam that wasn't fair, you talked facts

Now you know why NOBODY wants to debate Sam…. The guys knowledge level is on another level, and he’s able to break everything down to a point that anyone can understand Keep it up….

When I was a young man I bought into the idea that I could save and invest better than Social Security could provide. And I did, for several years I was saving half my take home pay. I was single and had no dependents so it was possible. But all my personal savings and investments don't come close to what SS and medicare and my govt pension provide. I feel very fortunate that I am a beneficiary of these programs and I started to appreciate it in my fifties, now in my seventies.I could see private pensions being replaced by 401K programs and I thought at that time, this is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't see any way a person with a family and a good job could ever have a decent retirement without these benefits. People at the lower income levels are just screwed, both now with high rent and inflation and in their later years with conservatives constantly targeting these programs.

“If I raise my kids right they won’t need social security “ Wow.

These chumps had nothing but platitudes to answer Sam with. How embarrassing.

God that Bet guy is so delusional. Watched his Bodybuilder interviews.

Social security is MY money not an entitlement

Just finished watching the full debate. Sam crushed it!!! Even with multiple people trying to steamroll the conversation, Sam was able to hit back with clear, concise retorts. He demonstrated multiple times that those guys don't give a f*ck about the well-being of senior citizens and working class people. It was a thing of beauty, well done Sam!!!

Sam, that guy Patrick got rich running a sleazy MLM insurance company where nearly 95% of the licensed agents make less than minimum wage while he got rich. Coffeezilla exposed his MLM co.

So happy to hear Sam went on PBD! Been waiting for this!

So happy to see you on PBD! What’s crazy is that guy Adam is the liberal on the show lol. I wish you knew that he built his insurance business on free labor! It’s an MLM insurance business that pays half the commissions of most regular insurance companies, and the type of insurance they sold was life insurance

I was in the private health insurance industry for years. The private sector is extremely expensive (gotta pay those layers of managers, execs) and not efficient. Admin. costs for private was, at least 18%, several years ago. Medicare admin. costs stay at 3-4%.

Eat the rich

Guys. If you want to see the angriest fans of Jordan Peterson that exist please go to the comment section of the clip where Sam calls him insane

Those guys have so much unearned confidence it’s crazy

Never amazes me to see a roundtable of rich guys complaining about absolutely nothing.

I firmly believe that we need to implement a sick leave as well as maternity & paternity leave programs for all workers in this country. I personally feel that every time worker in this country regardless of their job should be guaranteed at least 2 weeks of sick leave & 2 weeks vacation per year. In addition to guaranteed sick leave, we also need to allow both mothers & fathers who just had a baby to be guaranteed time off with pay as well, so that way businesses can ensure that their employees at all levels can come into work feeling their best & contributing their best physically and mentally everyday. Finally, I firmly believe that "Working Poor" should not be a thing! If you work full time every week of the year, you shouldn't be living at or below the poverty line in this country! Hence why I feel there should be a Universal Basic Income for every American citizen above the age of 16 based on what the poverty level is so that way no one who works full time should have to financially struggle to get by.

Dear Sam , I was impressed by your guest appearance on that show ( PBD?), I truly feel confident to say you may be one of the best public speakers or debaters I have listened to!

I call it social stimulus. Economics 101, people receive $/social security payments and the $ is spent, not saved, not invested, the $ becomes income for landlords, grocery stores, local taxes….

The PBD crew has trouble understanding the concept of people dying, so they had to lean on a mataphor about pizza. 😂

I love it when conservatives compare popular policies to giving kids a pizza party. Really shows their paternalism and how they view people as a whole. Very strange. Supposedly adults are omniscient cyborgs who can perfectly analyze every single factor in a purchase, but the moment you give them a vote on the economy as a whole they are a hungry teenager

How ridiculous that he equated giving out weed to high school kids to people’s social security and health insurance. What a crazy thing to say

These guys should just come out and say it: “I think people deserve to die if they didn’t win the capitalist game like I did.”

I said it a couple times and I'm gonna say it again...the animosity some people have towards social security and other social programs has a LOT more to do with "I got mine, f*ck everybody else!" than with some altruistic concern about it being effective for society or not...let's get that straight, shall we?!

Sam: What is it that you do do? Rich guys: A whole lotta nothing.

I'm not a fan of PBD but I gotta at least give him respect for having opposing views on. One of the few conservatives that will actually expose his audience to people that are critical of their beliefs.

When SS was first implemented you had over 60 tax payers per SS recipient. Now you have 4 taxpayers per SS recipient. Explain how that’s sustainable?

Welcome to the world of PBD lol. Every sentence/interruption is a new digression, it's a hell of a way to conduct a conversation.

"Wow, he talked to these idiots?" That was my first thought when seeing this thumbnail.

Love how Sam still sneak dissed Crowder & Pool

I love the observation about Libertarians made by the late, great, Christopher Hitchens who said "I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough."

Can I just say the thumbnail is the best yet?! Quality! Very eye catching and looks great Should use more iterations of this style.

I’ve seen this PBD set-up a few times, and what’s amazing to me is how it’s possible to get really rich in the US without understanding how huge parts of it work. And that, if you don’t want to understand something, you can have it explained to you infinite times, accept the rationale, and then the next time you talk about it, you haven’t moved an inch.

I saw Sam in the thumbnail of that video from this podcast/show I'd never heard of and clicked for a couple minutes. Those rich guys are just... yeesh. How on earth do you even talk to people like that and honestly, I spotted a lot of shady and insidious rhetoric/dog whistles Sam seemed like he missed. But then they throw so much out at once how could you even address everything? The thing is, "rich" isn't just a state of being so far as ones bank account, its a state of mind: specifically one with diminished empathy, short-sightedness and frankly, the feeling that being mean is cool/smart. And this isn't something you can reaosn people out of. But it is what informs their every political 'opinion.' You can almost smell it.

I've never met anyone on Medicare who doesn't love Medicare.

The irony is when Sam is talking, their silence doesn't mean they are listening...it's the exact opposite.

Homeboy never has his facts straight!! Thank you Sam!!!

What gets me is how far those guys start to reach when u give them a winning argument. Like u give them a very well thought out answer and they respond with a crazy 5 word sentence .

There is a specific type of person that whenever they see something they don't understand they think it's either stupid or useless. Conservatives tend to do this a lot

It keeps 2/3s of elderly people out of poverty, but on the other hand wealthy people would make a little less money... Hmmm... Do I care about starving poor old people or whether someone can buy a third private jet? I wonder....

What gets me is the total lack of respect for those who have worked their entire lives, have raised children, have paid their taxes (which people like these CEOs are able to loophole out of) and have generally done their best to make a dollar out of 99 cents. The heroic people who have continued on, making minimum wage and working more than one job to make ends meet, have done so without expectations of anything from anyone but themselves- and Social Security, which they paid into Their Whole Lives! The insurance CEO’s snide comment about “capitalists over-tax” to keep Soc Sec funded, as if they Carry the workers, (when it’s the other way around) infuriates me. Workers made their massive wealth possible! That, and the fact that insurance companies are experts at ripping people off. This disrespect permeates our society and is making good, honest hardworking people miserable.

Less than .5% of the active employees that work for PBD's company make a living wage. The next .5% is something like 30k for the year. The other 99% make between $200 and $4000 or something like that. FOR THE YEAR. And this doesn't take into account all the people who dropped out when they realize it's just a big MLM scheme. It's gross.

As a pissed off 60 year old who has worked 43 years, please please please send them to my house for a debate.

I thought Sam demonstrated a lot of patience during the entire conversation with these clowns. For literally every topic discussed, their ultimate measuring stick of what's considered successful is does it make money, let rich people keep their money, etc. Money money money. That's it. That's all they care about. The way they all laughed and reacted to him when he said in a different segment that he doesn't believe billionaires should exist was very telling. They couldn't believe it.

I have never been impressed with the PBD guys. Seems like they are going out of their way to give you wealthy perspectives and argue against common sense issues like M4A. I am always skeptical of people who play "devil's advocate" on a clearcut issue like M4A.

Thanks, Sam. I got laid off in the 2008 housing collapse and my 401K tanked at the same time. I decided to move to California with much less in savings and Social Security has been that needed insurance.

If more people had better financial literacy 60% of these big businesses would be gone.

These dudes are silly. Good job Sam.

Oh God it's these guys again. I watched their discussion with Kyle Kullinski and facepalmed about as much as I did at this.

Sam, Rachel, and Al…all the “Air America” crew continue to be just pure awesome.

My exact view on SSI...TAKE THAT CAP UP...DOUBLE IT..ONLY EXTREME WEALTH WOULD AFFECTED..AND STILL NOT DAMAGED...THE BENEFITS TO SOCIETY WOULD BE IMMENSE..

Sam did great. I wish Michael was around to go on shows. God what that guy would be doing right now. 😢

This guy is the center of his universe. He doesn't enjoy his meals unless he knows someone else is starving and in poverty.

This is the best I've seen Sam Seder. And this is what he should do, not this culture war piss he likes to engage in.

Patrick asks the weirdest gotcha questions framed as something else. “If you had to have bacon in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or ontop of ice cream but you weren’t the one paying for it, which would you chose? It’s a very simple question, answer the question…” and if you stray, you better believe he will come back to it.

I'd hate to see these gentlemen talk to their partners. I sense narcissism, ego, and "tough guy" vibes. So alpha it's beta... Thanks Sam, for speaking truth to the deluded. *Salutes*

This guy seems so scared to let Sam talk lol

We don't deserve Sam. He's a gem.

Those guys came directly from a Jordan Belfort party

This debate reminds me of a conversation trope my mother frequently says to me, which I've titled "If he's wrong then why is he rich?" and I look forward to the day that people stop using this argument.

Sam is such a beast, knows his stuff, you and David P would make a great dynamic duo

I had already seen this clip since i listened to the show live but just had to give kudos to the thumbnail. Got Sam looking like a total chad 😎 Congrats!

3 against 1 and they were still outnumbered.

Social security and Medicare keep this country alive. What a lot of these rich people do not realize is that a lot of the money they make, comes from people spending their social security money, and using Medicare. However they do not matter, because its "too expensive."

Full interview was very entertaining. Hope y’all have another convo

Bunch of guys with more than they'll ever need complaining that they don't have enough money. My eyes hurt from rolling back so hard.

Those guys got theirs-screw everyone else. Republican family values at work.

People who are against helping society just have not experienced having their skull cracked open jaw broken spitting blood and teeth out onto their shirt. They usually get the need for helping others after this.

Removing the social security cap would solve the long term issue.

Just read a column by a French woman who has been in the us for years and says how sad it is to see retiree aged people working physically demanding jobs all over the US just to eat. It’s neglect from the wealthiest nation

Man, I could not do what you do, Sam. Talking heads on the right are so disingenuous in my view that I easily get triggered and put into attack mode. I know we need people like you out there to do this, but I also know I can't do it.

At least PBD isn’t scared of Sam. Rogan and Crowder, two of the biggest cowards.