All I know is that The Sims 4 could never.

Sims 2 is a masterpiece. It’s more than just a game, it’s a way of life.

I was already an adult with Sims came out. Shitty job, shitty apartment, shitty marriage. Then here came this little game where I could make a little me, wear anything I want, build the house of my dreams, get a fantasy job, talk to anyone I wanted to. It was amazing. I did my share of drowning sims that looked a bit like people I knew, but for the most part, I made the happy life I couldn't have at the time. Original Sims will always have a place in my heart for giving that to me.

“It lacks the sims” I fully agree. I’ve been playing since 2008 with ts2 and played ts3 religiously for its entire lifespan, and they both have such distinct fun vibes that ts4 just lacks completely.

I was playing sims 2 recently and I told my sim to do something and he refused because he didn't feel like it 🤣 he started yelling at me and it's so creepy and hilarious how they look at you kinda like Sonic would when you take to long. 😂 Sims 2 felt alive. You could play and have some control but not all control which made it fun. Expecting the unexpected.

My favorite sims is sims medieval. Then 3, 2, 4 and 1. Yes sims 3 was the one I started with but, I loved how it was open world and dynamic. I loved the hidden easter eggs, I loved the gameplay play. I loved how expansions was a shake up rather than a necessity and I loved how at the time it was...ahead of its time.

I've been playing since the first one. Personally Sims 3 is hands down my favorite. I literally never get bored. Even if I only had the base game I'd never get bored, but with all the expansions and mods I have, it brings me so much joy and entertainment. I feel like I can play any kind of character, story, and never run out of possibilities. And luckily it runs fine on my computer with smooth patch and the NRAAS suite keeping things in order. And with an extensive library of custom content, I actually prefer the look of Sims 3 to the other games. I get that Sims 4 is technically prettier, but I don't like the more cartoony look, and even with custom content and reshade it still has a stylized cartoony look to me that I can understand the appeal of but I don't like it. Replacing textures and building up a library of cas and buy stuff, hair, etc I like Sims 3 style best, I like the way alpha cc blends in with the world and object styles. Except the toddlers and children, they're ugly in Sims 3 no matter what I do haha. Sims 2 is definitely my second favorite, I play it somewhat regularly and I love it and the characters, lore, everything. I have a giant interconnected uber-mega-hood that I play rotationally and keep track of every character in a giant spreadsheet lol. And the nostalgia hits extremely hard. I guess 1 is 3rd? I don't play it very often though. When I do, I enjoy it for a few hours, but I don't connect to it the way I do with 2 and 3, it's mostly nostalgia. It brings me more joy than 4 does though, I guess, even just based on nostalgia lol. I play 4 occasionally but I usually get bored pretty quickly. Occasionally I'll get into it and play a few hours. I keep trying to get into it, I get excited when a new pack comes out and give it a try, but I just end up bored. It makes me feel disappointed because I want it to be better and I'm sad the Sims series made this turn, I'm really reallyyyy hoping things improve with 5/René. I agree that Castaway is one of the best though. I love both the PC version and the PS2 version, I also love Urbz. I hope they make another of the offshoot, themed games again some day. I think Medieval didn't do great and they kind of stopped. I like Medieval though lol. I guess they're kind of doing it with the packs like Strangerville, I don't hate the scenarios and storied packs like Strangerville, I would enjoy them more if I enjoyed the game itself though lol. I love playing the scenario kind of things like finishing all the tombs in World Adv and doing stuff in the Future in Sims 3 a lot more because I enjoy the game as a whole and feel connected to the game and my sims, vs Strangerville where I kind of feel like I'm just pressing buttons and checking off boxes, even though that's really what the scenarios/guided play in Sims 3 and such were as well lol.

It’s hard to pick a favorite but mine would either be 1 or 3. I never played 2 until last year and I should play more but I just haven’t. I feel like 1 had the most personality, like you said if you left your sims alone for a second, it would just turn to pure chaos. I miss when they had astrological signs and could lose skill points and had all the iconic tacky furniture, it was fun because it was silly. I don’t ever see that happening again for the sims, and that’s sad.

Sims 2 is peak Sims for me. I love Sims 3's open world, but nothing can compare to the level of detail and personality found in Sims 2. Also it has the best version of university with being able to actually rush sororities and fraternities.

the sims 2 was the best in my opinion and i will always miss how great that game was

Saaatch, give us longer videos! I’m dying for your content. ❤️

My ranking is the same as yours: 2, 3, 1 and 4. Sims 2 will forever be my favorite due to the liveliness of the Sims and the build buy aesthetic is just the right amount of fancy and functional. Sims 3 bless their heart, improved on a LOT from the Sims 2 but at the same time losing some of it's charm and the graphics aren't the best looking. Sims 1 is an old soul, has it's fun but the basic features and limitations do really showing the game's age. Sims 4? Could never.

For me despite the lag I enjoy Sims 3 the most. I find reducing packs and store content helps.

I actually went back to the sims 3 recently (im not playing sims 4 anymore until curse forge supports updating multi file mods) and literally have 1 sim that ive been playing for months now on bridgeport. Theres just s o o o o much more detail and challenge in sims 3 that makes gameplay fun and actually feel meaningful. I especially love how relationships work compared to sims 4. Becoming friends with someone actually takes time and effort: u cant do it in 1 day and u have to maintain them bc of relationship decay. The game also rewards u for having a high charisma skill by making it easier, but the skill alone has its own challenge (u have to have a certain amt of friends and relationships to lvl up). The time and challenge involved actually makes me feel close to the friends my sim has. This plus the open world means my sim is NEVERRR home bc shes always hanging out with them. That said, sims 4 has hella quality of life changes still. Its rly annoying when u cant order anything bc some npc wanted to talk to the mixologist. Multitasking was a godsend.

Nice ranking! I would switch 2 and 3 around personally, other than that I agree with you haha. I just feel like The Sims 3 had a lot more stuff in it than The Sims 2 though both are amazing. And you just can't beat the open world of TS3. :)

I grew up playing sims 3 so it stays in my heart forever but when I got sims 4 in 2018(?) I barely played it for a year up until 2019/2020 (console) when the world went on lockdown I was playing it constantly. Then I got a taste of sims 2 and I was obsessed.. I would stay up all night on the computer with my back hurting nd everything LOVED IT.. then it got on my nerves bc of how easily it was to get kids taken away so I just went back to sims 4. Now I have all 3 games on laptop :D Never played sims 1 bc my mom couldn’t get it to work right on her computer

I played a lot of sims1, 2 and 3 and I agree with you. I loved the three games, but Sims 2 is without a doubt the best. I feel like the people who prefer the 3 are people are who started off with sims 3 and didn't really play with 2. Which is not to say sims3 was not great, because it was, but still not as good as 2

writing this before watching the vid. to me personally its sims3 and thats why i also play it even to this day. second goes to sims 2 to me cause that was the one i initially grew up with (actually played sims1, leave me alone i am old) but sims 2 was the first i actually played for a long time, that one sims 2 pack where you could open up your own restaurant (and other stores) ist still the very best sims addon overall to me. and then back when sims 3 came out it felt so unreal... my pc might have been a bit bad so it wasnt great performance wise but having that open world was such a game changer, suddenly having an entire city to run around in... holy moly...

The Sims 2 is my #1

Sims 2 is timeless ✨

You deserve so much more recognition, you're my favourite simmer Satch!

As a young whippersnapper who plays the sims a lot I can confirm that it can be stressful and it is NOT a game you can leave unpaused for more than a few seconds. Funny story, my little cousin had a vampire sim but because he had the loves the outdoors trait it caused issues, we went to go get a snack, came back, and he burned outside! Sims are as dumb as bricks sometimes… XD

I am definitely someone who feels their first Sims game experience was the best. For me thats the Sims 3. I'm sure my opinion is influenced by nostalgia. However, I also admire the Sims 2 for its details. The Sims (1) is iconic since it started it all. The Sims 4...well...we all know how that one is.

From fave to no: 2, 1, 3, 4 Started with 1 as a kid then 2 improved on it, and 3 i liked but never got all the packs, i never got deep into sims 4

I started on Sims 2 and lovedddd it. It’s been a long time since I’ve played but I recently ordered a PC & wanted to see which Sims out of all 4 was considered the best. So glad to know it was my OG Sims 2! Im super excited to play!

My list from worst to best is TS4, TS1, TS2, then TS3. I just like the personalities of the sims in TS3 the best. Sims 2 sims could feel too similar after a while since it was a sliding scale of a handful of personalities but actual personality traits changed everything for me.

Sims 2 will always have my heart

I completely agree with everything you have said here. The original sims was my first experience but the Sims 2 will always be my favourite. That's the one I truly grew up with ❤

What a cute spider plushie on your bed! Also, yeah, I completely agree with your ranking

Can I just say, I live for your uploads 😭💘 my laptop is currently out at the repair shop so I have literally just sat and rewatched your videos 😭🤣🤣🤣

“It lacks the sims” such a simple yet completely accurate description

I'd totally really grewed up myself with playing 2 and 3, when i hearded that there's going to be another third new sims game, which is TS3 itself, i'd totally become thrilled to buy and play it forever, like it just soo addicting!. My vote totally goes for TS2 and 3 because of their own details, an open world concepts aspects, colours wheels and everything!

Yes! I'm glad you went from "I don't think I'm gonna play the TS2 again I might even think TS4 is better???" to it being your number one!! TS2 will always be the best in the franchise! 💕

Sims 2 is the best sims game hands down

For me, The Sims 3 was top dog, it was my whole teen life, the way I could bulldoze an entire neighbourhood and rebuild it my own way was special, I love the Sims 4 and play it most because you can run businesses through some of the expansion packs, I've built a restaurant empire and though it isn't without it's faults, this is precisely the type of gameplay I always hoped the Sims 3 would get but never did, being able to own a chain of "food pubs' as I treat them using mods that let customers order at the bar as you would in most UK food establishments has given me hours of fun but the open world creativity and story progression of The Sims 3 is unmatched, I can only pray The Sims 5 gives us a blend of both open creativity like in S3 and the ability to grow your Sim from a regular person to a business tycoon like in S4.

I lived with all of the sims and I loved sims 2 and sims 3 at the time but.. the sims 4 (with most of the packs and cc) is better in my opinion. Whenever i try going back to playing the older games it’s fun for a bit but as an “aesthetic” gamer and builder/decorator the sims 4 just works better. Also even though the sims 4 has less gameplay due to probably the closed world system which i hate, the game still runs better than other games, better graphics and i like that you can create your own storylines unlike older games. Older games have a more linear gameplay experience where you have to follow the options that are available. In the sims 4 due to the lack of gameplay mechanics you have to create your own storyline to make it more fun which is fun to me

Sims 2 and 3 will always be best for me (unless Sims 5 prove me wrong). As a child, Sims 3 never gave us any issues, we never had any lags but then again my brother is a tech genius and built his own cpu to run any games so that might explain a lot. Sims 4 can never live up to the previous games, even with more packs. The code was broken from the beginning and they haven't made any effort in fixing which is why any new pack just breaks the game.

"The sims 4 lacks 'the sims' " is the truest thing I ever heard. It has so many features and cool mods but it is still lacks the charm, and the game is unplayable at this stage cuz Simulation Lag, so why have all this cool stuff if my sim is going to look at the wall for 5 hours instead?

For me sims 2, sims 4 sims 3 I never played the sims 1 and I cannot go back and play sims 3 bc of the games atmosphere but I can with sims 2

I've played then all but my favorite will always be Sims 3

So is no one gonna talk about the spider in the background like I swear it started blinking

5:12 Seeing Burnie the Red Dragon unlocked a core memory ☠🔥☠🔥☠🔥

The Sims 2 is my favorite for many reasons, including genetics, aspirations, and one-household-at-a-time progression (which for me is a feature, not a bug). Ultimately, though, I think what keeps me coming back to the game is not just the lore, but it's *interpretability.* Interpretability was something I think really got lost in the transition from personality sliders to personality traits. In The Sims 2, the personality sliders and lore gave you all you needed to interpret a living, breathing character from your Sim, whether custom or premade. Is this Neat Sim very organized, a control freak, or a hypochondriac? Is this Lazy Sim actually lazy or are they a hard worker as long as the job doesn't involve physical activity? Is this Shy and Grouchy Sim antisocial, or suffering from crippling social anxiety? This interpretability and the player participation inherent in it is probably why the premade characters of The Sims 2 are so iconic. Because the player puts a little bit of their own interpretation, a little bit of *themself,* into the character, there's a real connection there beyond the connection to a simple favorite entirely created by someone else. The Sims 2 premades are premade characters, but they are also, in a very meaningful way, *each Simmer's characters.* Traits really don't let you do that. They just say, "this is how the character is" and drop it on you in a wet flop, no interactivity required. It's especially frustrating when applied to iconic interpretable characters from previous games. My go-to example for this is Lilith Pleasant. In The SIms 2, you can interpret her as anything from a straight-up problem child to a tragic figure who's been neglected and is lashing out. In The Sims 4, they just flat-out gave her the Evil trait. Goodbye dark storyline about a Golden Child and Scapegoat family dynamic and the negative effects it has on both children, hello dime-a-dozen "good twin evil twin" setup. I absolutely hate what they did with my girl Lilith in The Sims 4.

4:43 - nice freudian slip haha

My faves are 4, then 3, 1, then 2. I haven’t even bought most of the extra packs and expansions because of the cost, but it always keeps me entertained. But I really liked 3 back in the day

Agreed Sims 2 forever! The Sims of Sims 2 were smart! They never got out of bed to collapse from fatigue, they didn't have bladder failure (with autonomy ON) simply because they were talking to someone or because the player forgot to tell them to go to a toilet. When the Sims 2 needs became urgent or they were uncomfortable they said uh-uh and no suggestion was going to make them forget how uncomfortable they were. You could leave them alone and they had a higher chance of actually surviving, making friends (or enemies) picking up their favourite hobby which was different for each sim or doing something that needed to be done. They had moods, they had uneven relationships, they had personality! Meanwhile Sims in 4 will do push ups or play the computer regardless of their likes, dislikes, traits etc. They are shallow and the same. Plus it's lost the charm previous iterations had because it focuses too much on being a life simulator of our current times/world and not enough on being the world of the Sims and their simmish culture and crazy ways for us to learn about and explore.

It's so hard to rank them because they all have their pros and cons. Ts1 got me hooked but I remember how exciting ts2 was since it improved so much from 1, but the open world of ts3 was mind blowing, and the gameplay was so immersive with amazing packs. Ts4 was such a letdown other than bb, I was so disappointed after I bought it that I didn't play for like 2 years.

The spider on the bed 👀

Objectively: the sims 2 is the most advanced and most realistic therefore is the best. The Sims 3 ties with the The Sims 2 with its immersive and endless customization. The Sims 4 is better than the first sim game but it is embarrassing how the 4th installment is only a tad better than the first one💀. My favorites will always be Sims 3 and Sims 4. I don't know why i don't like sims 2 too much but i still play it. The only reason i play the sims 4 is because of graphics. If the game wasn't pretty it would be a flop💀

I had no idea the sims 4 launched that bad. I knew that a lot was patched in later, but the audacity. I didnt start playing until 2021. It honestly sounds like they were trying to compete with Imvu. It would have been perfect for that in 2010.

the sims castaway stories was so good the sims life stories was basically a better version of scenarios lol

This is my exact ranking ❤

The problem with the Sims 4 is that it's too child friendly. There is no consequences of your actions, give me a burglar that breaks into my sims house because I'm too poor to buy an alarm anyday!

I'm playing Sims 1 right now but I play Sims2 regularly. I do like Sims3. I don't even play Sims4 anymore.

I didn't expect to agree with you 100% but here we are

I had more fun with the non mainline game like Sims 2 castaway and Urbz both the GBA and the PS2 version. such good games but maybe it is the nostalgia talking for me.

Sims 3 is the best ever. They should make the sims 5 to have: - The sims 2 cutscenes and extra characteristics for each sim including how traits affects skills. - sims 3 open world and storylines, in addition to the varieties in build mode and design. And the laundry stuff - sims 4 graphics and moodlets.

I would definitely say Sims have evolved with graphics and build mode, but definitely devolved in many other ways with Sims4

Make the ultimate ranking video - every expansion of every game against each other! Battle Royale!

Is that a giant spider on your bed?

Satchhh you should make a video “bit life controls the sims 4 hdhfhfhf or torture sims 4 townies 😍

I don''t think I broke eye contact with that spider plush (Aragog?) when it was on screen.

Sims 2 is my all time favourite. It’s alive, it’s vibrant and the Sims are just amazing 😊I love the way they look at you and won’t do something if they aren’t in the mood and even the chaos - the random fun that can ensue 😂

I totally agree with your order of sims games.

Bustin out was my 1st and faveoeot.

The sims 4. Without mods is definitely lacking in gameplay even with lots of expansions and packs. I would get bored fairly quickly. Just seems lacking. But since growing together pack and update it definitely was more fun. I really enjoyed the infants and the family dynamics.I found I enjoyed it more. Must have pack growing together In my opinion. The sims 4 graphics abd build and buy mode is amazing. But since I started mods and cc omg sims 4 is like a new game lol 😂 I am completely addicted to it now a bit like when I was a teenager I was addicted to sims 2. Thankgod for mods it literally saved sims 4 for me. The sims 2 will forever hold a special place in my heart. It was amazing. I hated sims 3. I bought the game when it came out. But it didn’t feel like the sims to me. I hated the open world personally, I hated the graphics and the way the sims looked errgh lol I literally binned the disk and went back to sims 2. But I do like sims 4 now I love it actually thanks to the mods x

Speaking of the Sims 2, my first experience with it was through a demo of the 2007 mobile phone/Java version that I played as a child sometime in 2009-10. Was it good? No, but it was fun. I would not have been interested in the Sims now if it were not for that game, especially since it was that which led me to get the Sims 3 over a decade after

Sims 4 also didnt have pond or terrain tool until 1-2 years ago

For me it’s sims 3, 2, 1, console versions of the game, and sims 4 😂

I’m still waiting for you to make a Sims three pets let’s play like you promised!

Sims 2 was a masterpiece. Sims 3 took the base of Sims 2 and left some things behind, but made it up with the open world. Sims 4 has none of the sims 2/3 code or base features because its a mobile game that was given a very good CAS and extra poligons to everything. Sooo... Sims 2 is the OG

I love your videos but my Arachnid phobia might have me avoiding you fora while if that stuffie is joining videos form now on, lol. I just listened with-ought looking to this video. My favorite is Sims 3! But I hated Sims 2, I just couldn't figure out how to control it but I only had it on Wii lol

My fav will forever be My Sims

Mine would be: The Sims 3, The Sims 2, The Sims, and The Sims 4. I was still a little too young to fully appreciate The Sims 2 and the original, but I did play them. In fact, I used to run home from school just to play Sims 2! I absolutely love The Sims 3. Especially with NRAAS Mods. The freedom and the open world is incredible, and perfect for legacies and making stories up. I also have a proper gaming PC with a 3070ti and my fans still go crazy whenever I play it lol.

I agree about the cash grabbiness of Sims 4. They should at least give people the option to earn packs through gameplay adventures. For example, to get aliens we’d have to max out rocket science skill and be in the astronaut career. On our first trip as a fully fledged astronaut we stumble on to a family of aliens that are stranded and they need a rocket to get them to a new planet. So we have to save up our money and build them a UFO rocket. Now that they have a rocket they can go anywhere! from then on we have access to the Aliens pack, a new UFO style rocket and the alien family in our household library (ready to move in). As another example, to earn the vampire pack you must have a sim complete a ritual. Maybe your sim meets a new friend that happen to be homesick. The friends say they can only see their family again if your sims give permission for the family to visit. Once the vampires are officially welcomed into this world, by your gullible sims, we then gain access to vampire pack and the family of vamps we invited into our household. Vamps brave enough to live in Oasis spring should have a tense moodle. Maybe it says: “sunburned”, or “fear or desert sun”. Maybe other creatures should have unique moodles like that to? Aliens could just be itchy when they shower in water. Maybe they have to use chalk to clean themselves or can only bathe in the “dreaming of water” purple pool liquid.🤷🏻‍♀️🤔 But I digress, these are just some ideas I had while watching the intro to your most recent video. I decided to move my comment to this video’s comment section since the title seemed more relevant to the topic. Maybe the sims 4 creators will add some of these ideas into the game for free.

Seen as an overall package, I would go with Sims 2 as the best. It would also have to be my most played Sims game. With Sims 1, I only got into it somewhere midway through because a friend had the game at the time. I never touched the spinoffs.

as of today my order of favorites is sims 4 > sims 2> sims 3 >sims 1 i can't play other sims anymore due to the some improvments like the dirty dust stuff on the house, growing hair beard etc, it just feels incomplete going back now, but 3 years ago my favorite was sims 2.

The Sims Bustin Out and the Sims 2 Castaway on PS2 were elite

Sims 2 will always be the best

It’s kind of crazy that the sims 4 is like 10 years old. We give gta a hard time but the sims isn’t much better😂

Being a O.G Sims player and content creator. Sims 2 is the best, followed by Sims 3.

i only played the sims3 and it was the best simulation game at that time. the only down of the sims3 was everytime the dev introduce new expansion pack, they also introduced new bugs and never been fixed. the sims4 got bad reception it was because not open world.

Also, Satch, theirs a giant spider on your bed and it seems to be watching you!

I agree 💯% with your order of rating. However, Sims 4 still does not offer the most content, and also offers the least gameplay (it seems like more, but it is repetitive quantity, not actual unique gameplay features). As a matter of fact, even the graphics engine is lacking, 3d cartoonish characters, using the original Sims 2d background (unplayable, and unusable). While building and CAS are the best, Sims 4 has yet to offer a tool to build neighborhoods or worlds, and each area is so limited, unlike its predecessors. Sims 1 is not only the most nostalgic for me, but it is the Souls-like game of the entire franchise. It's 2d graphics, at the time were ahead of its its time, and it offered the absolute best magic system. The downside of 7 day workweeks/school days, the lack of aging or genetics, the overall difficulty, etc., could all be overlooked with all the content and gameplay elements, at a time whereby EA wasn't calling all the shots. In essence, it was not a cash grab. Sims 3, with its open world, took the franchise to a whole new level. Unfortunately, to actually be able to play the game, one needs to invest in a high end gaming PC. But I have to say, EVERY expansion pack (including the base game and the store worlds) was jammed packed with content and gameplay elements, that the entire Sims 4 franchise cannot offer. While, Sims 3 might have seemed like the biggest cash grab to date, I, like so many others was able to get the entire store (aside from 2 worlds, and their bonus content), for FREE, just by watching ads and using the rotational sales. I even was able to accumulate so many additional SimPoints to gift countless others. The downside was all the lag, and the need for mods to work out the glitches, gameplay and routing issues. Thank you NRaas❣ That brings us to the best for gameplay mechanics, chemistry, best supernatural (aside from aliens and vampires), as well as the most Lore and 4th wall breaking. As in Sims 3, mods are needed, but not for the same reason, just to help ease corruption. Even adding in graphic mods, the Sims 2 is actually the most beautiful and detailed, with the best physics and overall replayability. And while Sims 3 gave us the World tool, it never left the beta stage, so Sims 2 built in create a neighborhood, is by far, the chef's 💋❣

Is that a spider plushie behind you?? LOL

The Sims 2 just has the atmosphere and intrigue i cant get enough of

I can't decide between 1, 2 & 3 (mine worked perfectly).... 4 is meh I just reinstalled (new machine) TS1 With the new EA app, some of my TS3 packs that I got legitimately to buy again, not when it was origin (again new machine).

Between 2 and 3 is always a matter of opinion and preference. For me Sims 3 is legendary and my fav.

I totally agree with your rank. I kept playing Sims 2 until the release of Sims 4 (sorry, Sims 3 are amazing but visually awful). Even now, I truly enjoy Sims 2.

Dang, the area for the Sims 2 was so short! lol. It was like "I love it, it's great, goodbye." LOL

I loved the sims 3 showtime

i think sims 3 is legit one of the greatest games of all tome

Preach it for the people in the back 🙏

For me it's the sims 2 and 3 fighting for best but if some features in sims 3 and sims 3 graphics could be added to Sims 2

For me it’s sims 2 & sims 4. Sims 2 for good graphics and great details compare to sims 1. Sims 1 is just nostalgia. I pick sims 4 because it’s the only game I can play on my laptop since sims 3 I can’t even play because it would be laggy since my laptop sucks.

I think most everyone would agree it's either 2 or 3. For me it's 3 no questions asked, but I totally get people who prefer 2.

And then when you break it down, Castaway for PC isnt as great as the PSP version. Edit: I never had problems running Sims 3. Even when it came out. >.>

Mine was the sims 2 for the ds

For me it's: 2, 1, 3 and 4 Also I ADORE Castaway for the Wii but it's a spinoff

Sims 5 should have the gameplay of The Sims 2, the open concept of Sims 3 and the graphics of the Sims 4