Like I said all of the good non-exploitive parts of that were written by Jane Epenson and Marti Noxon not him.

@@windowsVD which was arguably still great writing, *if* they didnt turn around and wipe it all clean and pretend it didnt happen..

@@blackfyrestudios I’m not sure that the controversial SA scene(written again by Marti Nixon) was ever going to be necessary and non-exploitative. Just because Whedon isn’t a good person doesn’t mean that we should discredit him from any of the good material, especially given that Buffy was entirely his brainchild.

@@windowsVD thats very fair.. the SA was definitely too much but I dont dislike the addition of toxic relationships and people in television, it makes things seem more real sometimes Id defend it much harder without that scene though. We didnt need that.

Also, while we're on topic of Marti Noxon, we really shouldn't be giving her any praise if we're going to condemn Whedon for his actions, because according to James Marsters himself, Marti Noxon is an attempted r*p!st. I am not joking, just Google "Marti Noxon Seeing Red" and the information is all there. Noxon wrote the scene based on an altercation with her ex-boyfriend where SHE was the aggressor. Here's James Masters' quote during an interview: "One of the writers, a female writer [Marti Noxon], had a situation in her life where she and her boyfriend were breaking up and she decided if she just made love to him one more time, that they wouldn't break up. She ended up trying to force herself on him and decided to write about that. The thing is, if you flip it and make it a man forcing himself on a woman, I believe it becomes a whole different thing."

Ya, they are heretics.

Supernatural would like 2 know ur location

@@shonenking3948No way supernatural is better than buffy.

@@becait years better

@@shonenking3948 no

What about Angel?

it doesn't take itself seriously. Buffy is a comedy.

@@Xander1Sheridan pretty sure that's what the OP meant - modern shows take this stuff seriously - buffy didn't.......

his brother, Murray, was a legitimate music star

@@kevinw2592 yup. Loved him on the Chess concept album.

...also sold coffee

yup, this sounded like AI doing an Honest Trailer about Buffy. What a missed oportunity!

Which to me, is still the quality of a good writer.

Hush still creeps me out to this day!

It was a creepy episode. People getting their hearts ripped out, and they couldn't even scream.

@@emptyvoices31 For sure! Ugh! Just thinking of it makes my skin crawl! Which is appropriate given the day! Happy Halloween! (Also, the episode of "Halloween" was one of my favorite episodes, and cemented my love for Spike.) I actually got to meet James Marsters several time, at autograph signings. He was SO nice, and remembered me from previous meetings!

Fun fact: Doug Jones, the actor who was the head Gentleman, was trained in mime. I'm not sure about the rest of the episode's cast. (I've met him, too. Such a friendly guy.)

I'd say Restless was also pretty creative.

​@@sk70091I was just about to say that. Restless is probably the most unique and experimental episode I've ever seen, and they used it for the season finale!

Yeah all these were very unique episodes. Love them all. These 4 are definitely my fave episodes and I also have to add The Zeppo and Something Blue just because they were super funny episodes 😂 There are a lot of memorable moments and episodes, we need a whole separate discussion LOL

I was like, "No, The Body is the best episode." Then I realized that it wasn't funny and my opinion on what is the best doesn't really mean anything.

​@@matthewgilliland6864I still can't watch that episode most of that episode. it's too close to the time frame my Mother died. Its also too close to my personal experience.

Yep!!! Repo The Genetic Opera!!!!

@@YolandaAnneBrown95726 That was post Buffy though

@@ruthmebAre you certain? He is Murray Head’s (original Judas Iscariot from Jesus Christ Superstar) brother, after all.

@Egilhelmson Repo the Genetic Opera was post Buffy. He did a ton of other musical theatre and music before that, though.

This will stay with me always: "Mom? Whadya doin'? Mom? ... Mom? ... Mommy?" So sad 😔

@@ErnaG84 What are you doing? Now I'm crying.

So light of touch. So respectful. Right in the feels.

The Body used to hit hard, then 2 years ago I found my mom’s body one morning after she passed in her sleep. Now it hits like a fucking train.

Atheobald, I’m so sorry for your loss… May she rest in peace.

One of my favorite episodes of television ever

After extensively consuming television over multiple decades The Body is still one of the best episodes I've ever seen. It should have won all the awards.

'The body' messed me up on a sub-atomic level

Truth. It's actually ironic how, in a show with tons of supernatural threats, more 'ordinary' things like a tumor or a gunshot-wound (Tara) had the most profound impact.

@@JeeVeeHaych probably because they are actual threats you might experience in your life.

There's a solid case for Wesley Windham-Price, too.

@@Demonstormlord Yeah, Wesley 100% for me. So good and so unexpected when you see how he started in Buffy. But really pretty much everyone in Angel. Buffy is fantastic, but I think the character development pretty much everyone in Angel got over the course of the series was bigger and more interesting.

​@@thinshadowwhat about willow. Or even Buffy. One of the many things whedon is good at is character development.

Yes she does! She became one of my favorite characters after I watched Angel.

Wouldn't say its character assassination of CORDELIA since its not Actually CORDELIA doing any ofthose things. In fact before the pregnancy, the plan was for actually HER to become big bad anyway.

He had to. At one point he was running 3 shows at once. In fact that alone lead to the downfall of all of them.

I'm with you. Great comment.

@@Xander1Sheridan It didn't though? Firefly and Angel "failed" because the CEO's were utterly worthless.

Agreed. I'm weirdly disappointed in this trailer. I love Honest Trailers, I love how they poke holes and poke fun at things. But they usually at least give some credit where credit is due. I guess Epic Voice Guy just really doesn't like Buffy.

@@lydiapierce6808 He's correct.

@@lydiapierce6808 I think he just really doesn't like Joss Whedon...

James Marsters narrates the Dresden Files without the British accent and he is fantastic in it. Top notch voice acting.

Same here.

It's Wesley that gets me. His American accent still sounds fake.

Yeah, I always forget he's actually American given it's funnily the exact reverse of the typical "'American' actor turns out to be British" thing that far more usually goes on. (Also doesn't help that Anthony Head *is* British.)

He was also a great brainiac in smallville

Welcome to the club there are millions of us

​@@dwainpannell8366I was genuinely surprised at how well the show holds up. I have watched a few old popular shows, all of them feel dated.

I would have to agree with you on that! :)

Watch more TV.

Buffy is undeniably great serialized TV. I would however like to say there is a world of TV out there which rivals it well. Depending on your preferences, there is an entire lifetime and world of great television to experience. And I cannot wait for you to discover more! My suggestion is to take best series lists from the genres you like from different countries (not just the US). Then watch the shows in order of oldest to newest. (Take into account the age and background of the person recommending it. If they were a teenager when it aired you might want to get a second opinion just to be safe). It is hard to find the spot between new excitement and nostalgia to land on actual perspective. My recommendation if you like science fiction would be Babylon 5.

And again when you're 33 for when people are trying to tell you you're no one, and you just have to fight back because it's fun.

@@Trekkie46 Also here on 33 starting my most recent rewatch of Buffy and Angel. Man, those shows had corny effects, but damn, those story arcs and characters are amazing.

@@Trekkie46 Well, I wish you good luck, because take it from a 43 year old: I am not watching it again. XD

I’m 45 and it’s still one of my obsession shows.

@@Trekkie46, I was 33 when it aired. I still watch it.

Same

I watch the series from time to time. 😊

@@Corlaedi not gonna lie the story telling is probably better than 85% of shows on Netflix or even Hulu

I had tears in my eyes for a lot of episodes

I can't even think about that ep without tearing up.

agreed :)

Yes, what you said.

Man, it was maybe funny, but Buffy is pure garbage. Im a 80s guy and... man, god damn it! IT WAS BAD! We had much better series in the 90s!

@@RaulGalhardi Seinfeld, Star Trek TNG, Deep Space Nine, Stargate SG-1, The X-Files, Xena: Warrior Princess, Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, The Outer Limits, Twin Peaks, and... Mr. Bean!

@@RaulGalhardi half of the seasons took place in the 90s

Don't taunt the fear demon.

Particularly that Hello My Name Is God bit

Giles with a chainsaw

“Actual size” bit slays!

@@sagittated, It’s tacky.

His brother also did One Night in Bangkok

Doppelgangland !

The scene where Anya is trying to understand Joyce's death is amazing

According to IMDb, the top episodes are ranked: 1. Once More, With Feeling 2. Hush 3. The Body So if you want to be "technical," that's the order.

No The Body is the most traumatizing episode.

Restless!

Agreed

I'm 31 now and I had never seen it before, but my wife and I watched it recently and we loved it! They don't make them like this anymore

I’m mexican & i do food reviews on my UKposts channel 😂

I did not get away with watching it. It was banned in my house after the episode where Drusilla tortures a topless Angel strapped to a bed.

Sounds like your parents knew good writing

I'm less certain the quippy got old rather than people who couldn't do quippy well were trying to do quippy. And maybe it's just because _I'm_ dated, too, but I find the quips in _Buffy_ still land.

Right there with you. ​@@boobah5643

Lol. I see what you did there.

it really was a masterwork, and I don't say that lightly

“And what did we learn about beer?” “Foamy!” Dude, that episode was awesome.

yep, the quips and puns added the delicious frosting on top of a moist, gooey cake of awesome.

Beer Bad was fantastic. But, even John Ritter couldn't save Ted

I adore Buffy. Definitely one of the best series I've seen. Angel is still on my watchlist.

Angel's last season, when all the crew from Buffy arrived, is definitely the best of both series. Angel's last episode is one of the best tv moments we'll ever see

I'm also rewatching

there is one episode of angel i have no idea how that got past editing. angel is fighting some guy in an apartment IIRC and then the camera switches angles and there is a third guy there holding a camera...they included the other cameraman in the shot.

@@comunicacionysociedad-este3101 Hard agree. The ending to Angel was special, and I don't know an ending I like better.

the point of the show was that adults look back on the highschool days with nostalgia but the people going through it hate it-so he made it so high school was literally hell.

wow. idk why but that got to me.@@GravesRWFiA

Agreed. More anger and lashing out is much needed.

We're just excited Buffy is suddenly being talked about again. It's been 20 years and we still have so much love we've been waiting to nerd out.

Unless you mention Joss Whedon. Then people lash out and show you just how mean they are. Which is hard to argue either way.

❤

It's a crap show though.

Buffy and Smallville are shows i'd call perfect television

Facts

YES please

You realize that for that they have to watch ALL of Supernatural? There is about half a billion episodes and... look I loved Supernatural but we can all agree the quality is all over the place 😅😅

@@DarkHarlequin they did it with all of doctor who

Absolutely

Tha brazilian translation also has a few scenes that are funnier than the original. Like Buffy singing macho man in episode 3 (the brazilian version she sings with way more emotion and does high pitch "macho" in the end of the scene that is priceless) and a scene on season 4 finale

The Zeppo being the best example of this. I just love how self aware that episode is. The moment were Xander interrupts Bangel drama just kills me lol

Good to see new* fans!

You're totally right! Because of Whedon's ickiness, this show will probably never get the respect and study it deserves in a historical context. It's clear that those did not watch the show in real time have no idea of its true influence or contribution to pop culture entertainment.

@@vintagezebra5527The whole "Xander is a Marty Stu" part is pretty damning too. Xander was the butt of the joke almost the entire show. The trope "Butt Monkey" is named after him. The extract they showed where he's pursued by girls was a humiliating new low for him with Giles openly disgusted by him. So yeah, basically Wesley Crusher right?

Right lol I was so confused by that! Like, Buffy did so many things FIRST, why are we ragging on it for being quippy when back then it was a very new and very fun thing lol

@@caitlinmangan2414 It's like complaining that Michelangelo made statues because a modern art-filled gallery has been doing it poorly for a few decades.

@@vintagezebra5527 Yh they legit had college course based around Buffy here in the UK. I grew up in Buffymania and it was massive over here.

Keep in mind he was gaslighting, screwing, and abusing the whole staff. So, we'll never know how much he deserves the credit and how much people helped him that he never gave credit to.

What are "the Buffy Studies"?

@@panpiper Pop culture studies about Buffy.

Amen 🙏🏽. 👻🦇🎃

I concur

And the musical is my favourite episode. What person can't relate to Going through the Motions

No, it's THE best sho of all time.

@@pigeonpoo1823 The great thing about the musical episode is that almost every song contributes to character development. It's not just an excuse for the writers to have fun with show tunes.

Sarah Michelle Gellar OWNED it. She almost makes you forget about Kristy what's her name. 😎

Quite the insult there. I'll let you figure out to whom.

@@danavixen6274Kristy Swanson was given very little to work with. The script for the movie was pretty bad, I mean the series exists precisely because Joss Whedon wasn’t satisfied with how the film turned out.

Hmm what about dark angel ?😁

@@littlekasino Agreed! The film's script was mediocre at best. The series was far better!

It,s stupid af

I actually prefered Angel.

@@anubusx You're both right! (sorry I don't know how to argue on the internet but I hear good things)

Not even close.

@@anubusx Angel was even more refined I think setup for a little older audience by that point.

No, it's THE best show ever made.

Because it was dishonest. It did not separate artist from a person. Joss Whedon was a genius. A lot of people who try to replicate him for the last decade thought they did. But it takes incredible education, talent and effort to write this good.

One of these days he's going to wake up in a coma

@@prion42 Exactly what I was going to say XDD

If you think that's bad, you should watch Smallville. I recently did a rewatch and all the characters on that show conveniently got more concussions than most football teams just so Clark could do his thing without anyone noticing. How Lana didn't end up with CTE is beyond me.

@@expendablegerbil Gotta love TV logic. Concussion? Eh. Just walk it off. 🤦‍♀️

@@themayhemofmadness7038 To be fair, when Smallville and Buffy were on that was the logic in the NFL too.

Probably because it's well written and deeply into psychology. I recommend "passion of the nerd" on the subject. I have a short list of remarkable television and this is on it for a reason.

Was it really a shock? You didn't see all the underaged butt shots? Wheaton being a perv is like CK enjoying the pleasure of his own company, it shouldn't have surprised anyone.

Nerf Herder played the hall I used to work at in the late nineties, twice. I am personally responsible - no kidding - for them playing the Buffy theme, both times. They weren't going to play it, I had to talk them into it.

I still can't decide if I love Buffy's theme or Angel's theme more. They're both so perfectly fitting their shows' respective identities. Buffy with the teenage garage band sound to match the high school/college years while Angel's has a darker atmosphere fitting a self loathing immortal vampire with a soul.

Whedon also wrote the theme song for Firefly and, if you listen to the audio commentary, the actors almost always sing along to it.

@@jeffreyscott801 apparently whedon wasn't allowed to be alone with the underaged michelle trachtenberg during buffy filming. also he was physically abusive toward's james masters and basically his whole treatment of charisma carpenter was just bad

He just did.... lol

... So if I bring a bucket to you secretly, and you kick it over - You're Buffy watching days will be forever over? ... I think it's time for blackmail!

Me too, not every year. Every 4 or 5 years. I think it's about time again.

I think Cordy was the only girl to not try and kill Xander.

@@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 er oh, she didn’t mean to, but she did actually kill him

@@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 she wished Buffy never came to Somerdale and in doing so the original pilot episode change so sander, Willow and their friend all died

I'm in s5.

I’m about to rewatch it.

Im on S1E5 just started yesterday xD

Same here

I'm in s6 (Entropy)

Avengers 1 turned the MCU into the billion dollar earning monolith for years.

I was impressed when I found out Whedon was the exact opposite of Mal Reynolds on "Firefly". It takes real talent to create a character who is basically everything you hate, and make him both believeable and sympathetic.

@@stevenscott2136 I don't think he ever hated Mal, I think he wished he could BE Mal.

The flaying of Warren Meers? Oh, truly inspired. That was water cooler vengeance. Lloyd has a sketch of it on his wall.

I remember thinking someone would stop her and then... Flayed!

"Bored now"

Or Angel smothering Wesley with a pillow after kidnapping his son. Whedon's shows were pure drama.

Bored now

Far from perfect, but immensely lovable.

If only S7 were better it really would be perfect. But at least it stuck the landing.

@@SarcasticPlotRecaps S7 was a disappointment in the way it just meandered along but S6 was my least favorite.

It was a collaborative project. Whedon was just one of the people working on it.

@@darthlazurus4382 That's my point. Showrunners (Creators/Executive Producers) have varying degrees of direct involvement in the writing and directing roles in shows. And that doesn't often remain constant over the life of the show, either. Some episodes and story arcs were very Joss-created, some were more about the other writers and producers. (Jane Espenson and Marti Noxon in particular) That is why none of the revelations about him detract anything from my enjoyment of the show. Too many other people were responsible for its greatness for that. That said, I refuse to knowingly watch anything directed by Roman Polanski.

Not to mention the love of a generation.

@titaniumman02 common for actors to work on several things in one year.

Hey, don't forget scooby Doo.

@@dan7564 I'd rather forget.

Cruel Intentions was also great. Good showing of her range by being an evil b*tch

The wife and I still to this day love and quote, "you have fruit punch mouth." A true, put-the-villian-in-his-place quip.

Yes! There's the Repo love!

Someday he's gonna wake up in a coma.

​@@rwwilson21Wake up in a coma?? Whatever, he has to save Buffy from Hansel and Gretel.

@@ZephyrsCreativeCradle a lot of ppl don't like that episode, but I really like it.

@@rwwilson21 I LOVE that episode!!

@@ZephyrsCreativeCradle It's different than the regular Buffy episodes but it really does work. Too bad Willow had to break her birthday gift for Buffy.

@Skrewbylife Buffy gains telepathy in episode 18 of season 3 because aspect has the meaning of part or feature of something?

I hate when Buffy gets reduced to just quips. Are there alot of funny lines, even in serious moments, sure. But there are also lots of serious moments where the drama is played completely straight and sincere. Joss Whedon may be a dbag, but it's really not his fault lesser writers have become overly reliant on jokes and don't know when to pull back.

With the whole series available to watch, it's easy to forget it's from a time when quips weren't so prevalent, you had to spend 7 years waiting a week between episodes and there weren't entire cinematic universes that were influenced by the show.

@@mrtb7676 I didn't even watch it first run, I caught it on Netflix years later at the recommendations of a philsophy professor. Still held up because it's quality. And I'm okay liking what I like, cynicism hot take poisoned online culture be damned.

Im still not over them either😭😭😭😭

Pffff Buffy belongs with Spike. No contest.

It’s been 25 years!

@@SlashGriever ah, here it goes once more with the BuffAngel shippers vs the Spikey shippers war Also, if you wanna go uglyville on everyone buffyxAngel vs buffyxSpike is basically grooming vs sexual assault, but it's fiction, don't think it really matters which ship you go with unless you want the characters involved to be with the person who'd really make them happy in life

Bangel is grooming btw

If I recall, elements of Spike were based on clockwork Orange once season 4 hit. And Whedon was constantly reminding the audience charismatic people can be very dangerous before giving him a conscience in season 7.

or midgets