Dr. Jordan Peterson speaks with author and podcaster Andrew Klavan. They discuss the beauty in the “tough guy with a purpose” archetype that inspired Klavan to write, the loss of idealism in main characters, the eye-rolling anti-realism in media portrayals of young women, and how superhero films have ushered in an era of storytelling devoid of human nature, and why most new stories and adaptations feel deeply empty.
Andrew Klavan is an American podcaster, essayist, and novelist. He has written more than 30 novels since 1977. His podcast, the Andrew Klavan show, has been a staple for years, though Klavan has had other similar shows produced by companies such as Truth Revolt and the Blaze. Klavan has also produced modern “radio plays” for the DW with “Another Kingdom,” which has three seasons. Notably, Klavan was born jewish, but in his adult life converted to Christianity. Andrew grew up as one of four sons in Great Neck, Long island. His father, Gene Klavan, was a NY disc jockey. Andrews 1995 novel, True Crime, was adapted into the hit film by Clint Eastwood. His novel Don’t Say A Word was adapted into a film of the same name starring Michael Douglass. Many of his other works, along with original screenplays, have also been produced.
This episode was recorded on January 18th, 2024
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(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:39) Coming up
(1:25) Intro
(3:14) Writing over 30 books
(4:55) Why Klavan and Peterson love Raymond Chandler novels
(5:50) The power problem all young men have to face and solve
(9:02) The mimicry of confidence, how bad men misuse female archetypes
(12:05) The thing about Andrew Tate…
(13:44) The St. George motif in modern storytelling
(15:02) To be taken by a brute
(17:58) How to write a tough guy
(21:55) Pain response and social mediation
(24:31) The virtue that stands above fear
(28:00) The biological necessity of abundant compassion and the mother/father dynamic
(30:51) The interplay of mercy and justice
(31:41) The attributes of Tony Stark, and the state of modern superhero films
(34:40) Fundamental misfire ignoring realities of male and female sexes in media
(38:46) Mary Shelley, are we damaged by immoral action?
(40:06) The two fundamental mating strategies
(42:06) Early sexual experience ramps psychopathy
(43:54) Can you “solve” humanity without removing it?
(47:16) What makes something “real”? Weighing the soul against the body
(50:43) What level of deprivation drives forward momentum?
(54:43) The folly of futurism, purposeful ignorance of the past
(56:09) Noah, what it means to be “wise in your generations”
(1:00:31) What it really means to take God’s name in vain
(1:06:10) Systemic alteration misses the true problem
(1:08:12) Coming to the idea of a moral good through the existence of moral evil
(1:14:55) Personality and identity only exist within a relationship with a grounded being
(1:18:17) When the logic of God became impossible to ignore for Andrew Klavan
(1:26:00) With every talent comes a corresponding impediment
(1:28:22) “I met my wife hitchhiking,” love and the spiritual reality
(1:31:56) God, the need for a father figure, and decoding Freud
(1:35:09) Malevolence is worse than death
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