SHOGUN 1x9 "Crimson Sky" Reaction & Discussion!
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@predetor911 13 днів тому
Did anyone catch that Mariko was wearing a Crimson kimono? She was the crimson sky sent to the castle to bring down Ishido.
@thechad4485 13 днів тому
Oooooh 😮 I feel so dumb. The whole episode, I was sitting there wondering when they were going to show Crimson Sky, and ended the episode so confused lol
@ahmarelvirgio823 13 днів тому
Yeah I do feel odd and you comment this
@wahn10 12 днів тому
Mariko-sama was far more devastating to Ichido than any military assault on Osaka could ever have been. She is the true "Crimson Sky".
@noname-dk7ri 12 днів тому
Toranaga used Hiromatsu and Mariko to great effect. Realists are smart and cruel.
@victorpradha9946 11 днів тому
All series long, she had been wearing variation of gray, silver, graphite contrasted against deep dark blues and black. In this episode, every one of her outfits save for the white robe she was going to perform seppuku in, had bright red in them.
@mandomasahista08 13 днів тому
This, Hollywood, is how you make a strong female character!
@SecretSev7en 13 днів тому
Hollywood just wants to put a chick on it and make her GAY
@sirshagsalot929 13 днів тому
Preach 🛐
@CharifRocka 13 днів тому
Fukn EPIC.
@OrionInSpace 13 днів тому
Or how about you just say this is how you write good character no matter what they look like. Lmao no reason to bring in gender part. You should want good characters all around who are written like her, like Blackthorne, Toronaga and so on.
@koljawendlandt5598 13 днів тому
@@OrionInSpace dude shut up
@lastboyscout73 13 днів тому
Anna Sawai absolutely killed it in this episode. She sold every emotion with her face and actions. She's an amazing actress, I really hope to see her again in a lot of stuff.
@Cagetalk305 13 днів тому
😢
@americanandpinay 13 днів тому
Hiroyuki Sanada came to set to support her and to coach her through the hard scenes because he pushed her to be better. He also needed to see her death filmed.
@EchelonDnB 13 днів тому
Agreed. Flawlessly graceful in every single scene and superb chemistry with Cosmo. She has a huge acting career ahead of her!
@jimmygreer2140 12 днів тому
@@americanandpinay I did learn that it WAS her birthday when they were filming her death scene. So it would make sense that he, as an Executive Producer and colleague, would be there for that. He was probably in on the prank they pulled on her....telling her they were preparing for a slow-mo version of her dying, counting down "3, 2, 1....HAPPPY BIIIIRTHDAAAAY TOOOOOOO YOUUUUU".
@jimmygreer2140 12 днів тому
This is truly her Emmy episode. But she's been so amazing in this series. She was handed a nearly impossible role for an actor. To portray such power & strength through a 1600's Japanese woman is so damn difficult. She wasn't able to play with "power stances" and powerful emoting like Hiroyuki Sanada was able to do. She had to be seen as "timid, meek & subservient" but still somehow get across that she is this incredibly strong woman. And Anna did it so beautifully. I seriously wish I could have just "a stick of time" or even just 5 minutes with her to express how much I appreciated her work....and to ask if I may record her saying "Anji-sama, let it happen" because that line is going to haunt me till I die.
@npierce14 13 днів тому
Mariko stood on business today….RIP to a real one
@ssotkow 13 днів тому
She finally got her death wish, but fulfilled it with a purpose.
@DanteVerde-pt9zc 13 днів тому
She took one for the team... It's your turn Toranaga!
@M_k-zi3tn 13 днів тому
@@DanteVerde-pt9zc she didn't need to, if we're being honest
@numanumame 13 днів тому
@@M_k-zi3tn I mean if she didn't, they'd just be a hostage like everyone else. By her dying it would give reason for other clans to revolt as mentioned by Ochiba earlier in the episode.
@sinbun. 13 днів тому
@@numanumame Yes, her death means a lot.
@RaedViera 13 днів тому
"A flower is a flower because it falls." and her saying to Anjin "Don't do it until I fall"... DAMN... Mariko-sama, the most beautiful flower of all.
@7thwardchapter 13 днів тому
I am still trying to understand the meaning to this. Sorry, can you explain?
@RaedViera 13 днів тому
@@7thwardchapter The whole show explores the theme of death as perceived by the Japanese people of the era. In this particular discussion, Lady Ochiba remarks on the futility of surrendering to death, while Mariko-sama counters by expressing that "A flower is just a flower because it falls," meaning that something is only beautiful because it is momentary. Death gives meaning to life and vice versa.
@7thwardchapter 12 днів тому
@@RaedViera That makes a lot more sense!Thank you 🙏🏼
@volsman1987 12 днів тому
wonderful catch..so beautiful and haunting
@yukigil 10 днів тому
@@7thwardchapterthis is death bed poem for Hosokawa Garcia she was real person Mariko’s Character. I know the moment to disperse (fall) like flowers. ちりぬべき 時知りてこそ 世の中の 花も花なれ 人も人なれ
@The_Ghost923 12 днів тому
What I particularly like about the Shinobi scene in this episode is that they (the writers) chose NOT to make the Shinobi the stereotypical Hollywood ninja clad entirely in black with swords on their backs. The Shinobi instead wore grays, browns, and other earthly tones that blended in perfectly with the surrounding area (castle walls, etc.) indicating they would have chosen such colors for that specific mission they were hired to do. It's little historical details like this that make this show so awesome!
@TwoForTwentyFilms 3 дні тому
Ninpo Ik-kan! 🥷🥷🥷
@TreadstoneOperative 13 днів тому
Mariko won, not just for Toranaga but also for her family name. If she successfully left the castle, she would have been considered a saviour to all the noble houses in Osaka because she has demonstrated a way to escape from Ishido's clutches. If she did not, she would have been considered as an honourable servant who did all she could to obey her lord, and thereby cleansing her family name in the eyes of everyone else who saw what happened. If she died, either by suicide or by assassination, she would have horribly tarnished the name of Ishido, who was supposed to be the protector of the Osaka castle and its residents, thereby seriously reducing his prestige among all the noble houses who would eventually know of the shinobi attack. All the noble houses would either flock to the side of Toranaga after witnessing Ishido's dishonorable act against a brave female noble or would abstain from helping Ishido if the fight comes to fruition. Either way, Ishido was already defeated when Mariko defied him openly.
@chewiewins 12 днів тому
She executed Crimson Sky
@larrythomas1330 12 днів тому
Excellent analysis and deduction
@victorpradha9946 11 днів тому
Precisely: The whole strategy was to turn Mariko into an emissary of Toranaga. If she is NOT permitted to leave, then Ishido will be openly exposed as a hostage-taker who is controlling the Council of Regents by force and intimidation. The proclamation against Toranaga becomes void. If she is permitted to leave, then effectively all the Lords Ishido is holding captive so that they follow his directives against Toranga (and for general leadership issues as well) will seek similar release which again IF Ishido refuses, he gets publicly exposed as being a hostage taker applying duress on the Council If Mariko is NOT permitted to leave, and she successfully commits seppuku for failure to honor her Lord's orders, then Ishido gets exposed as having held her as a captive and preventing her, an emissary, from discharging her Lord's duties and permitting harm to befall someone who is either a guest in his care or a captive under his control. The result is shame upon the House of Ishido and thoroughly undermines his authority. Mariko dying at the hands of assassins accomplishes a multitude of outcomes: 1) Ishido is exposed as having stopped her from timely leaving thereby contributing to her death; 2) Ishido is shown as ineffective, incompetent and weak, for failing to protect those whom he declared as "guests" under his watch and care; 3) shame is brought upon Ishido in with the suspicion that he employed the assassins; and 4) disgrace is brought upon the entire Council of Regents who did not permit Mariko sama an emissary of Toranaga who is a noble to leave when she attempted to, and none intervened to assist her in this, and moreover NONE intervened to protect her from harm. She died at the cost of trying to honor her Lord's orders for her. The disgraced Council would NOT continue their shame by aligning with Ishido. In effect, Mariko unraveled Ishido's authority without so much as drawing one drop of blood!
@gerardblandina9844 9 днів тому
If there was ever a slogan or tagline that could be used for this episode it would be "Damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
@coldfire22 13 днів тому
I love how at the end, she called herself Akechi Mariko, not Toda Markio.
@nont18411 13 днів тому
Akechi = Her father who always loves her Toda = Her abusive husband who beat her up a lot Of course, she chose Akechi
@revolutionairre 13 днів тому
@@nont18411Except, she chose Toda during the seppuku ceremony. So, it's worth noting that she only chose her family name after Blackthorne's grand gesture to save her soul-and the sex.
@uchinopc2620 13 днів тому
Akechi was erased from history as an assassin,But Mariko's daughter becomes the emperor's queen historically. I think Akechi's family is a special female line…It may be an ancient line？🤔so her tragedy can make nobility angry.
@leonrussell9607 13 днів тому
@@nont18411buntaro deserved better than mariko
@alexstefan4442 13 днів тому
@@leonrussell9607 No, he didn't. He forced her to stay in that marriage (also occasionally beating her brutally), even though he knew she didn't love him..
@nont18411 13 днів тому
“Akechi Mariko” While everyone else view this “Akechi” name as a badge of shame because of Mariko’s dad committing the (rightful and heroic) treason, Mariko turned this into a badge of honor for saving the hostages in Osaka.
@adityaakbar2575 13 днів тому
totally rightful and totally heroic (and not totally a power grab)
@TheGhost-fk4eo 13 днів тому
@@adityaakbar2575 In history, yeah it was a power grab and an act of vengeance and hatred. However, this is a retelling of the events, and in this case they want to portray Mitsuhide as a heroic figure.
@nont18411 13 днів тому
@@adityaakbar2575 According to this story, it’s heroic. But yeah, in the real history it’s more complex.
@sanjaysanj5603 12 днів тому
@@nont18411 i wouldnt say complex, betraying your liege lord 12,000 vs 50 while he was praying, that is dishonorable and pathetic and mitsuhide got what he deserved.
@ShakaZ3D 12 днів тому
I've noticed how in some storylines of the Akechi betrayal they tend to make it out as if Mitsuhide was doing it for the right reason but to the wrong one
@JK-yk5ws 12 днів тому
I know that the commenters here are not Japanese, but they understand the stories more deeply than I, a Japanese, do, and they also understand the meaning of tanka and haiku. This is something that has always amazed and impressed me throughout this series. I think it means that the level of the scenario, the translation, and the audience is very high. When ep10 is over, let's all buy sake and say "kanpai" for shogun.
@mattwilberg3076 13 днів тому
This episode alone will win Anna Sawai an Emmy. Excellence.
@depress0coffee 13 днів тому
"Leafless Branch" is also what Ochiba translates to.
@Hananotaka 13 днів тому
Well, “falling leaves,” but the sentiment is the same.
@Jumpoable 13 днів тому
OoOOOOoooh riiiiiiight.
@amanchaudhary3340 12 днів тому
Dang!
@eljayfon1100 9 днів тому
It is at the start of the chapter, and essentially paints a difficult start of the poem competition…..
@andrewtataj497 12 днів тому
Blackthorne drawing the line in the sand is fighting against fate. All the lines in the zen garden are oriented in one direction, him drawing a line through them is a symbol of defiance of that fate.
@josh1800 6 днів тому
Blackthorne drawing a line in the Zen garden is a reference to the very beginning of the series and a forewarning. Blackthorn's Captain tells him he must, "Draw a line," right before Blackthorne hands him a pistol and he takes his life because the Captain doesn't want to live with the shame of his failed expedition. This represents a second major infliction point for Blackthorne, as in the beginning when he became the commander and had to find his own way, Lady Mariko was his guide and now he must find his own way yet again. He really is Anjin in the truest sense.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl 13 днів тому
Holy sh*t THIS is how you do strong female characters. No forced agency, no elevating characters by denigrating others. Anna Sawai was terrific in this episode. I like Cosmo Jarvis in this series but he was totally overshadowed here. I was on the edge of my seat throughout.
@toshtao1 12 днів тому
Only you Trump supporters make a big deal out of gender. Grow up.
@KristiinaBerg 12 днів тому
So glad the show was realistic about her strength against men. They did not make her a super hero.
@Brendissimo1 12 днів тому
I know right? I was expecting her to solo 20 dudes with her naginata but this is not that kind of show. She's well trained, yes, but she's tiny, and those guys are well-trained palace guards. A lesser show would have had her just cut through them like butter or something. What we see here is much more realistic. There's no artificially expanding the confines of the world women lived in back then, instead the show focuses on all the variety of choices they were able to make within the confines of a male-dominated system. All the subtle forms of communication, duty, and loyalty. It's just brilliant.
@toshtao1 12 днів тому
@@Brendissimo1 You guys are incels.
@Kayoss13212 12 днів тому
And they didn’t have to keep reminding us that life is hard for her because she’s a woman. Or denying help from men because she wants to prove herself and show them up.
@Sinvare 13 днів тому
She died to save the hostages. She, (and the other retainers), did perform a Crimson Sky. They made it into the castle and caused incredible damage to Ishido's power.
@eljayfon1100 9 днів тому
No, she died to stop being captured…..
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
No she was dying to politically damage her captors and undermine support with the noble houses. It's like the modern day equivalent of a government killing someone with diplomatic immunity.
@gutchie7 13 днів тому
You know, Mariko is like the Titanic. In real history, Lady Garcia (Mariko) is known for how she died and her final poem. So... most Japanese knew from Episode 1 that Mariko's death would be the pivotal moment of the drama. I guess that the entire story buildup of Shogun was to deliver the most dramatic depiction of this historical event. Here is Lady Garcia's final poem: 'Only when you know the time to fall, Flowers can become flowers, People can become people.'
@overthewebb 13 днів тому
As someone who read the book, I also knew it was coming, but I was hoping they changed the end, which they did. But I was hoping hollywood maybe injured her or something. The whole ending was foreshadwoed through out the series though, which also had me worried
@jimmygreer2140 12 днів тому
@@overthewebb I haven't seen the original miniseries, I haven't read the book (I've only just begun it) and I had a small bit of knowledge of the history. But even if I didn't, Mariko was clearly a tragic character. And there was only ONE way her story was going to end. She was too "obsessed" with death for it to end any other way. My only hope was that Blackthorne would beg for her to not go through with it, that she would comfort him but also explain to him that she had to serve a greater purpose than her own desires. But I also wanted her to take some agency of her life and be able to enjoy the beauty that life can offer....something she could carry with her to her inevitable fate. This is why "Anji-sama, let it happen" will forever haunt me. Anna did such an amazing job with such a beautifully tragic character.
@overthewebb 12 днів тому
@@jimmygreer2140 I agree. When I read the book. I cried over it and I couldn't read the rest for a few weeks, as I was so upset about it. Blackthorne in the book also asks Toragawa for her hand in marriage. You have to remember the book was based on a true story and true characters. Even if the names were changed in the book and series. There was nothing Anjin could do to save or change her mentality, that was cultural differences and her family issues. Anjin tried his best. The real woman of Mariko has her grave in Japan and you can visit it in Kyoto. Akechi Tama is her real name. You can also visit Blackthornes grave and his real name is William Adams, his grave is in Tsukayama Park
@MrFredstt 12 днів тому
@@overthewebb What was her death in the book? I'm assuming it was seppuku
@overthewebb 12 днів тому
@@MrFredstt No, she also died due to an explosion. Shite I know
@colemarc187 13 днів тому
I shed tears for Mariko, proud of her stance and bad-assery! This is not about war or John Blackthorne , or the ship, it is Japan.
@derps0n839 12 днів тому
She was ready to die, there was a small possibility they would let her leave, but I don't think she or Toranaga ever believed that possibility was real. However, for a short time after they told her she could leave, I think she felt what it was like to want to live.
@Ivbo 13 днів тому
I’m legitimately baffled how every single episode seems to outdo the last…I haven’t felt such a sense of dread for a character’s death than I did in this episode. I get prime Game Of Thrones vibes from this, everyone feels like they can die at any given moment, they did such a good job at making it all feel so real.
@vincentdesjardins1354 12 днів тому
Shogun is better than Game of Thrones. Back in the days I was a big fan of GOT, at least the first 5/6 seasons, and was waiting the whole week for the new episodes. But the subtility and gravitas of Shogun surpasses any GOT peak moment. At its best GOT was an awsome fantasy fic, yet even if it's a fiction Shogun feels real, fleshed out and lived in.
@Rabbithole8 9 днів тому
@@vincentdesjardins1354 The comparison to GOT is tiresome as it is lazy. Adding to what you stated, Shogun feels real because it is grounded in real history and the creators went out of their way to be as historically accurate as possible while telling an historical drama/fiction. That is why the expectation that Mariko fighting with the naginata was going to be "epic" is misplaced. Rather, it was highly realistic with minimal embellishments and that is preciously why it is so good. This is a type of series that one can watch over and over and still get more and more out of.
@anas-432 13 днів тому
I was amazed when i knew that mariko was based on a real Christian noblewoman who was the real daughter of akechi mitsuhede and she did die in osaka castle when ishida mitsunari tried to take her as a hostage, the show is 90% accurate to real history.
@everforward5561 13 днів тому
Yeah, they mostly just changed the names a little bit.
@TheGhost-fk4eo 13 днів тому
Yes Mariko is based on Hosokawa Gracia. However, she didnt die by getting blasted by Hollywood Ninja. Because she was a christian, it was a sin to commit suicide, so instead she asked one of her guards chop her head off. This severely damaged Ishida Mitsunari’s reputation, her death affected both the eastern and western armies and made many hostile towards Mitsunari.
@anas-432 13 днів тому
@@TheGhost-fk4eoi already know this.
@user-xh6mk9dc1m 13 днів тому
日本人の感覚だと、４０％くらい真実かもしれません。 これは大部分が作り話です。 しかしとても良く作られた素晴らしいストーリーです これを機会に本当の日本の歴史を知ってもらえたら嬉しいです
@TheGhost-fk4eo 13 днів тому
@@anas-432 Yes but you neglected to mention some of this on your initial answer, so I was just clearing it up so people don’t start believing that that’s how she died in real life.
@lemonherb1 13 днів тому
During the seppuku scene, Mariko uses her robes strap to tie her legs together so when she falls and dies, she wouldn’t accidentally expose herself. Apparently this is the procedure women took when they do this I think her plan is to inspire all the imprisoned lords to side with Torrenaga as she is a single woman who did not fear to defy Ishido, how can anyone else do any less and still have any honour?
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
I noticed her doing this but I didn't understand why but it makes sense now as apparently women did not wear underwear. Just goes to show the attention to detail the show runners went to
@thedarkknight2221 13 днів тому
If Anna Sawai isn’t nominated for best actress at the Emmy’s and every single other tv awards show for this year, then NO ONE should be nominated! The scene of Mariko about to commit Sepukku was one of the most intense scenes of tv I have ever seen. I was as exhausted and relieved as she was when she put down her tanto.
@AmanCreatesArt 12 днів тому
The actual poem by Gracia Hosokawa (Mariko) goes like this: Only by knowing when to fall Do flowers become flowers And people become people And her "leafless branch" line earlier was a reference to Ochiba, and it went over Ishido and Yabushige's heads.
@JGrimm52 4 дні тому
What an Amazing real life woman
@Chissyak 13 днів тому
About your "complain" about the fight. I am pleased, that the didn't go the modern hollywood way of making her a Mary Sue, but instead went a more realistic approach. In my opinion she was badass in that moment, she didn't have to beat 10 man all alone in an unrealstic way to show that to an audience.
@nont18411 13 днів тому
She used her own death to spark a revolution inside Osaka. That’s kinda powerful to me.
@Jumpoable 13 днів тому
I thought it was a VERY satisfying fight. This is Japanese samurai show, not Chinese kungfu flick.
@scotthewitt258 13 днів тому
The fight at the gate worked well without having insecure men toss up the "Woke!" flag. We have already seen her be a bad-ass in battle with a naginata. She was shown in flashbacks to have trained with a naginata since childhood. The guys she was fighting {Ashigaru?} absolutely had to hold back. They were ordered to.
@darkeraz4572 13 днів тому
@@scotthewitt258 What you mean insecure men?. Yes the scene was good because it was realistic and not her beating 10 men alone. Thats good story telling right there. Just stop making Crap Woke movies and we will all be happy.
@haroldgreen2251 12 днів тому
In the book it is one man with katanas and its noted that if he were any less skilled she would have won
@Noid1220 12 днів тому
This show really delves a lot in to the concept of death. Early in the show, John thinks that they dont value life by willingly accepting death but along the way, every death in the show has had some form of purpose or meaning. From the husband of Fuji, the gardener, the son, the general and now Mariko.
@beoborf8877 13 днів тому
They were trying to confine her using shinobi, that way, they won't be "rejecting" her, and she still wouldn't be able to leave. It's basically upping the "it was the bandits" excuse. But Mariko's willingness to die for her cause, ruined that plan.
@enicole1203 12 днів тому
And openly accusing of Ishido of sending them in such a shameful attack with her dying statement is the nail in his coffin. He absolutely cannot save face now if he doesn't let the hostages go
@hackapump 13 днів тому
About Blackthorne stepping up as her second: One thing to consider is the excruciating pain associated with stab wounds to your belly. What the second does is an act of mercy for someone who is clearly dying and in unspeakable pain.
@PFitz-sh4ms 13 днів тому
He’s also stepping up to save her soul by killing her rather than allowing her to kill herself (although at that stage it would really arguing semantics)
@susanbauer2430 12 днів тому
Agree. I read that the process for women was a little different than it was for the men. They position the knife blade at their heart and fall on it until they are laying on it and it is pressing on the floor on the other side. The second then uses a sword to decapitate the woman so she doesn’t suffer too much (same as they do for men). When Mariko spoke to Ochida I think she mentioned Mariko taking a blade to the heart so that seems to track. Such a traumatic episode! Very emotional.
@brandonday2494 11 днів тому
@@susanbauer2430 This is correct. A man opens his belly, a samurai woman stabs herself in the heart, typically as you say, by falling forward on the knife.
@wahn10 12 днів тому
Mariko-sama went out like an absolute boss. Just legendary. Anna Sawai deserves all the Emmys and everything else for this incredible performance. I was so shattered by this episode.
@nont18411 13 днів тому
Yabushige didn’t intend for Mariko to die. He only betrayed them to make them surrender and save himself. Mariko, however, knew full well that her death will make her an ultimate martyr and send the ripple effect across Japan (because she saved the hostages and she also represents Christianity so that will turn the hostages’ families and Christian lords against Ishido) so she did what she did.
@khaii13 13 днів тому
exactly, she purposefully chose to go to that spot instead of through the gate. She lived there with Ochiba as Children, so she knows what would happen.
@marcgm7917 13 днів тому
I need clarification: My interpretation was that Ishido could not deal with Mariko without consequences and that's why he asked Yabushige to let the shinobi in so they could get rid of her without letting her "commit seppuku" or leaving on her own accord, so he could perhaps deny responsability (?) If that's the case, I don't understand how Mariko giving up her life in that moment would accomplish anything different since killing her was the shinobi's goal to begin with?
@khaii13 13 днів тому
@@marcgm7917 she can’t die. That’s the problem at their hands here. They can’t brush her death under the rug with “bandits” or “assassins” after her public display. Their best hope is make it look like she was sneaking off in the night and was taken out in the woods. That was why when the shinobi got to her, they did not kill her, but just carried her off.
@marcgm7917 13 днів тому
@@khaii13 Oh I get it now, thank for your comment. What a messy job those shinobi did though lol.
@bismarck5537 13 днів тому
@@khaii13Maybe to kidnap and detain her. That would work as Ishido can lie to every lord that she changed her mind about leaving or she is too unwell to travel that she is resting somewhere else. Ishido knows that she can’t die. Now that she did, he’s in trouble as everyone, especially Christians will be against him.
@m33p0 13 днів тому
i think mariko's death scene was an example of history being the better writer than fiction writers.
@user-gp9sv3wk8z 13 днів тому
それは彼女が、細川ガラシャだからね。
@davidribeiro1064 12 днів тому
That's not how Hosokawa Gracia died and the death scene was taken almost directly from Clavell.
@mikehoang31 12 днів тому
This isn't a documentary. The story is inspired by history, but it is fiction.
@ZollaREAL 12 днів тому
@@mikehoang31 historical fantasy, like literally every popular history show, vikings, last kingdom, black sails, rome etc
@GhostWatcher2024 12 днів тому
What are you on? This story is no more history accurate than Braveheart... but unlike Braveheart, Clavell had the good grace to change the names.
@megad7060 13 днів тому
Everyone is so skeeved out by Father Alvito but he's spoken honestly every time he appears
@SCharlesDennicon 12 днів тому
It's kinda trendy to despise Christianity.
@Oakland510 12 днів тому
@@SCharlesDenniconno because he is the EXACT wolf in sheeps clothing Jesus mentioned in his Sermon. He has ulterior motives as he’s sent by the Portuguese. Someone need to reads the Bible Propely.
@kansairobot2015 12 днів тому
In this story the jesuists are villains. but from all of them Alvito is the most straightforward. In real history yeah these barbarians were kinda villains to the point of view of the japanese, but also their story was tragic later when persecution started. Real history is more complex
@Oakland510 12 днів тому
@@kansairobot2015 it’s only right. If someone comes to your home pretending to be a guest but plans to own your home you will just sit and accept that?
@kansairobot2015 11 днів тому
@@Oakland510 you argue in vain since I agree with you. The thing is I can see the two sides of the coin. And the banishment of Christianity had also tragic overtones and real victims. For that I recommend watching Silence. (it is from a japanese author btw)
@VforVictory00 13 днів тому
I'm not the kind of person who talks during TV shows when I'm alone, but in that last moment, I actually whispered "No..." 😢
@Tausug101 11 днів тому
Same. I was devastated
@DrStrange_177A 13 днів тому
Achara-Sama and Jaby-Sama are too damn fast with the reactions. The turn around is diabolical 👏
@Jumpoable 13 днів тому
Acharya-no-kata & Jabi-dono.
@arisaforest9902 12 днів тому
I'm gonna leave my opinion as a Japanese. Mariko really knows her's duty like Hiromatsu who died at Ep8, and she was considering to use her's life, how to die in entire episode. Most normal Japanese who weren't Bushi (Samurai) Family didn't think how to die, because they don't have power so they were always taken their life in the war one-sidedly. But Mariko was born in Bushi family what has a long history, she is a person who has rights to decide when she die, that's a special thing in Sengoku period. She knows the value of life herself that's why she left from the stage. I know everybody confused why many japanese character trid to die in Shogun, In Japan history Bushi families were alway specific chosen people, if you search about Bushi life, you're gonna enjoy Shogun more!
@P.Whitestrake 9 днів тому
Thank you for your explanation. Samurai culture always fascinates me.
@ettvyang 13 днів тому
Mariko 最後正視了自己的姓氏、正視了自己的愛情、明確執行任務，只為了完成更偉大的目標RIP❤
@Varan8 13 днів тому
Mariko knew this was her last hours and she spent them with John who she had witness grow to be not just the Anjin but a samurai worthy of her love. ❤️
@PROVOCATEURSK 13 днів тому
Homewrecker.
@overthewebb 13 днів тому
@@PROVOCATEURSK Nah Buntaro wrecked that home long before Anjin showed up, Even if Buntaro had some redeeming qualities in the end
@susanbauer2430 12 днів тому
When he stepped up to be her second I think he showed her how much he loved her and respected her choices. She knew he didn’t agree with or fully understanding why she had to do it but supported her anyway. That’s love.
@overthewebb 12 днів тому
@@PROVOCATEURSK Another point, in the book, Anjin goes to Toranaga and asks his permission to marry her, this was missed out of the show. Even back then couples would divorce
@jimmygreer2140 12 днів тому
Yes, I feel like "Anji-sama, let it happen" will haunt me forever. Not only did it feel like a plea for him to now mourn too much for her but that it also was a request to join her in the afterlife....a request she had denied her husband.
@RGMyers24 13 днів тому
I may be wrong, but I think the vertical line, opposed to all the horizontal ones, is exactly how Blackthorne feels: alone, isolated among thousands of lines that go in another direction, one he cannot understand. He has no power to change the course of events. He is frustrated. A very strong episode, it made me shudder, because it reminds us that the most beautiful things in life can be at the same time painful and leave us vulnerable. The best series I've seen in years...
@snowride30 12 днів тому
I’ve never been so emotionally devastated by an episode in my life. The pain before her attempt at suicide, then the relief and joy of it not going thru, just for it all to hit me at once again when the door blew up! Like WTF 😢😢😢😢. Also by her not taking her own life, and by it being by murder from Ishido, will cause the whole country to turn on him and allow Toranaga to become Shogun. Crimson Sky to us was going to be a battle, when it was really done via a political move. Ishido has now fallen, all the regents will now also be disgraced as well for allowing it all happen under their watch. Mariko was Crimson Sky and she has won.
@Rabbithole8 13 днів тому
The short sword samurai carry with them is an auxiliary sword (wakizashi) that is used as a back up sword or in close combat. Seppuku can be performed by that sword and the dagger (tantou) that Mariko was using.
@Magnarud 13 днів тому
Loved the dialog between Ochiba and Mariko because it shows variation within the same cultural fabric. In many ways, they are alike but also opposites. Similar ranks, experiences, and cultures grew up together, and both families were destroyed. But their focus is polar opposites. Mariko has always sought death and has built her life around the opportunity to end her life so she can be reunited with her patrilinear family, which is just and honorable by that time's moral standards. It would be even better if that death served the cause of her lord. The same way of thinking can also be found in Fuji. Ochiba, on the other hand, has always sought to survive and has built her life around her son to see him grow up and claim his inheritance. This different position produces very different attitudes to death. Where Mariko sees a meaningful and noble death, Ochiba sees a premature and pointless death. The latter takes a much more utilitarian stand when she says, “Tell me, how will piercing your heart protect your son?”. Dialogs like this are effective in dispelling notions of cultural determinism.
@jeffandjoannbauer9567 12 днів тому
That’s exactly what Ishido was trying to do: capture and shame her and undercut what she had done to free herself and the other hostages. Her last words are hugely significant: she, a samurai, is formally accusing Ishido of her murder and doing it in front of highborn witnesses.
@Spec922 13 днів тому
Apparently the hand tapping the Shinobi used was counting for "resistances", he taps and Yabu nods on every tap and at a certain point the Shinobi nods to allow more men inside
@dylanrodrigues 11 днів тому
Damn, the attention to historical detail is crazy
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
Was it not for coordination? they don't exactly that wrist watches
@JayMac15 13 днів тому
I literally yelled "noooo!" when that door exploded. crazy cut to credits
@Glisern 13 днів тому
Mariko went there to do one of two things. Get out, or die. They were about to be captured, so the only remaining thing was to die from Ishidos actions.
@user-gaksjg4m 13 днів тому
I'm Japanese, but the Japanese history classes I took at school were boring and I was only interested in the Sengoku warlords. I decided to watch this TV drama (novel) after learning that it depicts historical characters and historical stories. Thank you for creating such a wonderful work. Thanks to this TV drama, I want to learn more about Japanese history.
@Oakland510 12 днів тому
How is the image of this show in Japan?
@macbookdaisy1430 12 днів тому
@@Oakland510It's on disney plus and fulu so not famous but some people are talking and saying good quality.
@thevagrantgaming 9 днів тому
I don’t know that I’d say Mariko was Blackthorne’s entire motivation. He’s literally in Japan to try and get them to help defeat Portugal and Spain. Also Habushige’s task was to help them capture Mariko. So why would he help move the box? And Mariko wasn’t frustrated in the fight. Her entire plan was for them to be defeated and kept. Her entire reason for being there is to get Ochiba to turn on Ishido.
@NicMarie2015 12 днів тому
Here's to hoping the finale is two hours long. I'll be suffering withdrawal symptoms once this show ends. ☹ 👏
@sj3054 11 днів тому
The actress that plays “Lady Ochiba” kills it every time she’s on camera
@kgx29 9 днів тому
fyi, She also stars in some Japanese series on Neflix "Eye Love You" and "Vivant".
@KoiYakultGreenTea 13 днів тому
Mariko did whats called a 'big brain' move. They were only trying to abduct her. If she's abducted, she can't kill herself or leave. She knew if she died in this attack, she not only saves her own soul from damnation from suicide but also frees all the hostages and discredits Ishido as she is a noblewoman who was 'totally not a hostage' And Father dome-head drops his soundcloud rap and historically is the one who buries her christianly
@camillemayers103 9 днів тому
The actress who plays Mariko deserves an Emmy. Full stop. She ate that role up!🎉
@wayneparker9331 12 днів тому
It's extremely important that Mariko's very last words in life start with a reference to herself as "I, Akechi Mariko..." Earlier in this episode during the confrontation with Ishido, she referred to herself as "Toda Mariko, daughter of Akechi Jinsai..." That shift in self-reference is the most crucial development in her story. Her actions in both the novel and the two miniseries' adaptations were ALWAYS about restoring her family's good name. The genius of Toronaga is that he understood her at that level. He then used that knowledge and rather than let her "die a useless death" he used her intelligence, cunning, loyalty, passion and love for her family's name (and her deep love for her father) to create circumstances that undermined both Ishido's and Ochiba's power over the noble families they need to exercise control over to stay in power.
@MD-cn1nt 13 днів тому
This WAS Crimson Sky...or at least the first step in it. Toranaga knew what would happen - it was a way, in one fell swoop, to give Mariko the escape from life that she wanted while also restoring honor for her and her family and rallying everyone to his side for the bigger end game. She was no goshawk, and he knew this...he knew she would get the job done. It's interesting to hear so much criticism about Toranaga and his driving ambition, and his willingness to sacrifice everyone he cares about to realize it. I don't see it that way at all. His ambition is a united Japan, which was the vision of the Taiko - there is nothing personal about it. He believes (rightly, IMO) that he is the only person capable of accomplishing the task, and knows that it will likely leave him completely alone in the end (as he foreshadowed in a speech earlier in the series). Heavy is the head that wears the crown is one of the central ideas of this whole series. Toranaga simply had the will to see the Taiko's vision through, whatever the cost.
@nont18411 13 днів тому
Toranaga can be described as “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. “With absolute power, comes absolute responsibility”.
@MD-cn1nt 13 днів тому
@@nont18411 Could not disagree more with the first statement- he's not corrupted, nor does he have absolute power. The second statement I half agree with - he does have absolute responsibility, to the promise he made to the Taiko.
@quicksimplebeauty 13 днів тому
man, I felt Blackthorne's sigh of relief when Ishido brought the permit
@mwill8248 13 днів тому
1) You guys are asking what Blackthorne's motivations will be going forward. Pretty sure he and Buntaro will be united in trying to kill any and everyone who works for Ishido. 2) I think worth noting that the reason the Ninjas were trying to take Mariko alive was that if she died, either from murder or suicide it was going to be a political disaster for Ishido. He can't admit that he's taken everyone's families as hostages and now he's accidentally killed an important one. Remember Lady Ochiba's comments about how bad this would 3) Think about how this looks to the vast majority of Japanese Daimyos who do not have a seat on the council and were at this point uncommitted. Toranaga was morning the death of his son and said that he was on his way to Osaka to surrender to prevent a Civil War. He sent a Samurai Princess of ancient lineage to Osaka to bring him his infant son so that he could see him before he surrendered. Said Samurai Princess was murdered incredibly dishonorably by Ishido who has been holding everyone's families hostage. Ishido will now have to release those hostages or admit what he's done. But Toranaga is asking if in the name of this murdered Samurai Princess of incredibly ancient heritage, you wouldn't mind gathering your Samurai and marching on Osaka to dispense justice to Ishido. Lots of them who were previously uncommitted are going to say yes. 4) The line "Flowers are only Flowers because they fall" is from a poem by Hosokawa Garcia, who was the Japanese Samurai Princess who Lady Mariko is based on and who committed Seppuku with the help of retainer rather than allow herself to be made into a hostage (but not by William Adams, the English Pilot that John Blackthorne is based on).
@Jumpoable 13 днів тому
散りぬべき 時知りてこそ 世の中の 花も花なれ 人も人なれ
@LunaticReason 9 днів тому
One complaint that I kept hearing prior to the shows start was making Mariko into a Mary Sue and that she would be the bestest fighter defeating all the Samurai. I am glad that they didnt do that and yet she was still powerful in her own right. We know she is capable with the Naginata but in the end realistically she couldnt beat all those Samurai but she did beat them with her wits and that is a mark of a great character.
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
Agree they didn't make her a Mary Sue and they didn't make her a beech either. They made her feminine with inner strength and fortitude. They gave her a back a story that made you respect her ability to still be strong. I was rooting for her not being cringed by her.
@KK-of6hj 13 днів тому
「散りぬべき時知りてこそ世の中の花も花なれ人も人なれ」 Gracia Hosokawa Only when you know when it is time to scatter can flowers in this world become flowers, and people can become people.
@roymerritt348 13 днів тому
Thank you.
@hwatabe 11 днів тому
Thank you for your transformation. I prefer translating 「人」to 'person'. Samurai's background is Zen and become him/her-self is important, for example Hiromatsu became himself by dying for others in episode 8. Also, just saying 「花」(flower) , it means Sakura (cherry blossam) especially in the past. Its life time is so short as if it knows the time to scatter. I hope Japanese culture would be understood by this show.
@ddew7223 9 днів тому
I read in an article that John makes a line in the zen garden to disrupt the "flow" of the waves drawn in the sand. He wants to change and stop what is happening.
@josh1800 6 днів тому
If you want to understand the meaning of the line in the Zen garden, go back and watch the very first scene of the show between Blackthorne and his Captain.
@3pcgi959 13 днів тому
It was part of the plan. Toronaga plan was to weaken Ishido from inside. Mariko succeeded. Ishido has more enemies now.
@meadmaker4525 11 днів тому
Don't be angry with the writers for the way this episode turned out. It happened almost exactly this way in the book this series is based upon. It was a tragic, but poignant end for Mariko. In the end, she was both her father's vengeance and Toronaga's peregrine falcon, the one you send to wait for the perfect moment and then render a devastating, lethal blow. The next episode should explain how and why (I don't want to spoil anything), and tie it all together. I am eagerly awaiting the last episode, myself, to see how the writers render the rest of the book's story in 1 hour. Although, to be fair, when the book ended it felt like there should be another 3-4 books. A lot is left hanging, or maybe just left to the reader's imagination for the future. I've always been a fan of the original mini-series (1980), which I'd definitely recommend you watch, but they've done a great job with this version of the story. They've omitted some major things I think should have been included, but I think that's the case in almost any film adaptation from a book. Literally, everything about this show is stunning. I hope they win ALL the awards for all the hard work that went into this.
@morrigansmaiden 12 днів тому
The older generation who watched the original 80's series, watching the shock of those who weren't prepared for this episode in the new series......
@DonHbankz 13 днів тому
This ep broke me Mariko and John Performance was amazing. This is the first time in a long time I have seen Jaby this affected
@IsiahBradley 13 днів тому
THANKS for this series of "Shogun" commentaries!!!! I love watching you two, I really do!!!!
@umwelten988 13 днів тому
At first instant everybody knew Mariko won't die at sepouku but what twist at the end. Her mission was to die if necessary like hiromatsu and inflame emotions against the throne. Ohhh her brainwashed son's words must have been hurting more than stabs of knife.
@ssotkow 13 днів тому
I can't wait to hear Mariko's final poem in the finale.
@jackson857 13 днів тому
Probably my favourite episode of the season. Definitely my favourite of the last few.
@EleventhCubFan 13 днів тому
What a beautiful episode…
@djdarklyceum 13 днів тому
Easily the best episode so far. It was beautifully shot as well..
@johnodwyer3559 13 днів тому
Her death as a devout christian and a guest "hostage"will galvanise Ohno and Kiyama against Ishido
@saiduarte2782 13 днів тому
if that's the plan, then why toranaga had to make a drama to look himself weak and utterly defeated? it doesn't make any sense now, because what happened on osaka definitely shows that toranaga is up to something.
@aid-f 13 днів тому
@@saiduarte2782 To "expose" to the other houses that Ichido is a cruel tyrant with no grace towards the subordinates and by extension their lord who is a weak and defeated enemy. That he truly is a "bureaucrat who comes from nothing" because he disrespects the legacy and proud lineage of the nobles who've elevated him.
@Oakland510 12 днів тому
where was her Christian Values when keeps having sex outside marriage ??
@saiduarte2782 12 днів тому
@@aid-f there was nothing to expose because they were already know that for sure. but being persistent getting out from the castle to be with toranaga shows different motive imo.
@kayhappy613 9 днів тому
That last ending song after her death made me cry.
@stormsomkuwar99 13 днів тому
This episode devastated me🥲
@hirochillax 9 днів тому
The final scene is shocking, but in this era, a beautiful view of life and death prevailed, in which it was better to die than to be defeated and humiliated by one's enemies. In actual Japanese history, Mariako ordered her vassals to intercede for her. In actual history, Mariko was Hosokawa Garasha, the daughter of Akechi Mitsuhide, the shogun who defeated Oda Nobunaga by treason. She was also a Christian, so she could not commit suicide, so she asked her vassals to help her take her own life. It is a magnificent story that has been passed down through Japanese history.😅
@alwaysbam 11 днів тому
Anna Sawai 😢 god bless your talent. I better see an Emmy nomination. Rip Mariko. Damn you stood on business.
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
Have to agree in interviews she has a very animated face. So to keep your face straight but say so much with your eyes is impressive. She's said she wants to do more of this serious acting I really hope she does as she's very good at it. If she was to pop her clogs tomorrow this is the sort of thing she'd be remembered for not for crap like furious and Monarch.
@JL-gx6os 12 днів тому
Mariko’s death was to bring other lords on the fringe and beyond to Toronaga’s side against Ishido
@TA3DArtist 13 днів тому
Her sacrifice now ensures the families will rally against ishido while at the same time, allowing her to die without committing sin.
@Oakland510 12 днів тому
She sinned having sex outside marriage with Blackthorne this episodes, and premarital sex with him in ep4 when she assumed her husband was dead
@thitran1362 12 днів тому
@@Oakland510 Nobody knows what didn't they? Her sacrifices will outweight the other 'sins" she have committed.
@sophiaaldous3199 13 днів тому
I agree with you Jaby, it was sadly beautiful the way Blackthorne stepped up to be Mariko’s second. I feel in lesser storytellers’ hands John would have rushed forward to stay Mariko’s hand and declare his love for her and she would be so caught up in her love for him that she would go against her duty. Instead they went with the more emotionally layered approach, which is much more powerful.
@aprildj5684 11 днів тому
Once Mariko starts to identify herself, it's nice and realistic that Blackthorn doesn't have time to save her and explodes immediately.
@jmdollison 9 днів тому
My soul died twice this episode...
@lost-nuts 13 днів тому
j remember how this death when I read the book all the way back in the 80,s hurt , I mean to this day that is one of the sadest deaths I have seen or read
@Mrtickleberries 8 днів тому
I've not read the book and did not know the history so I was rooting for Ajin and Mariko to have some happiness. I'm a guy and to be honest the ending left quite heart hurt after all they had been through to finally have them both acknowledge the feelings they have only to have it cruelly snatched away. Yes it achieved the political ends so she did not die for nothing but damn she didn't have to stab me in the heart at the same time lol. The 2 actors did an excellent job of drawing you along with them.
@lost-nuts 8 днів тому
@@Mrtickleberries yes amazing book and great acting
@missletis7772 13 днів тому
最高のリアクション、ありがとう。
@user-vc2qo6gl1k 13 днів тому
The episode was poetry - the most amazing episode - no words.
@victorsixtythree 7 днів тому
When Blackthorne drew the line in the Zen garden...he drew it perpendicular to the flow of the other lines. I think he is looking for a way to fight against the path that fate seems to be flowing toward. It struck me that it was reminiscent of the first episode when, while sailing to Osaka and the storm hit, Blackthorne piloted the ship INTO the swells instead of parallel to them. Another thing I had forgotten about from the first episode - the captain of the Erasmus, having lost hope of ever making landfall, chose to kill himself. Who knew then that the theme of choosing death would be so prevalent in the series?
@josh1800 6 днів тому
Did you catch exactly what the Captain said? "You have to draw a line," and then Blackthorne hands him the pistol. It was a foreshadowing to him stepping in to second Lady Mariko.
@victorsixtythree 6 днів тому
@@josh1800 I missed that!
@hplovecraft8145 12 днів тому
Mariko being killed has complications with Lord Ishido and everyone because she was murdered,so the clans in Osaka will revolt because they will think that Ishido sent the assassins to kill Mariko. Yabushige the snake is frustrating but he is a survivor.
@sikosi-ou6bs 11 днів тому
彼女が名誉ある死を遂げる事で、父親や息子も立派であると褒め称えられる さすが明智の娘であった、素晴らしいと マリコは皆んなは人質なんだと示す為にも名誉の為にも絶対に捕まえられる訳にはいかなかった そして最後に爆発から皆んなを守る為に盾になった この感覚は日本人でないと分からないのかもしれない 名誉は自分の為ではなく、愛する家族や仲間の為に得ようとする
@healingharp 13 днів тому
I love your every reactions and discussions! the best! Thank you for the sincere discussions trying to understand the bushido and the loyal spirit of those special time in Japan. from Japan❤
@YN-wp8so 13 днів тому
このエピソードでは細川ガラシャまたの名を明智玉（鞠子の史実の名前）の生き様を描いてくれましたね。昔の日本人の誇り高い生き方を描いてくれました。
@ceezyjeffezy2213 13 днів тому
Fallout and Shogun are putting Achara and Jaby through the wringer.
@Jumpoable 13 днів тому
Also X-Men 97.
@tamae6249 13 днів тому
Anjin coming foward to second Mariko-sama hit me hard. Even though he knew it would haunt him forever, he desided to support and respect the choice of her life and death which was beyond Buntaro‘s reach. I teared up. The face she made before taking his hand said everything. How could they make a seppuku scene so tense and romantice at the same time!!
@marcuslegion3654 12 днів тому
The symbology of a line through a perfect garden is he disagrees with the Japanese way. It's a powerful symbology
@744Dragon 12 днів тому
She was so powerful that I wand more of her this was a amazing proformence 10/10.
@glen9593 9 днів тому
She's definitely dead. Her death was her mission. Now Ishida's allies will start to abandon him.
@jimmygreer2140 12 днів тому
To be fair, there was only ONE way a tragic character like Mariko's story was going to end. Even if I hadn't known the history these characters are based on, you could tell she was doomed to die. Basically her obsession with death could only end one way. But it really is such a beautiful tragedy. The writers did a damn good job adapting the novel and Anna Sawai deserves ALL the awards. I feel blessed to have experienced possibly the greatest tragedy across all media. And Anna's "Anji-sama, let it happen" will forever haunt me.
@maxineberrios510 13 днів тому
Oh no, if Achara is crying then I'm definitely going to cry. Her crying is my kryptonite 😢
@Goodsnout 12 днів тому
Ishido had a great (evil) plan. He hired a ninja clan to abduct Mariko and kill all the guards and retainers of the other noble ladies who were going to leave. They can't leave without their (now dead) retainers, guards and servants. Ishido then blames the whole sneak attack on Toranaga. A very good plan had it worked. Unfortunately Mariko's dead body will now be found INSIDE the castle and all the court ladies witnessed what actually happened. This will cause many of Ishido's loyalists to turn on him. Toranaga is now winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Japan. There will be a bloody battle (or war) but Torinaga is now unstoppable. Torinaga hoped that Mariko would be able to leave the castle and take the noble ladies out with her, although he knew this was unlikely. In that case Mariko was to commit suicide making Ishido look like the bad guy he really is. Due to Mariko's wits, bravery and loyalty, things turned out even better than Torinaga had hoped. Mariko's death insured that Torinaga will become Shogun.
@setsuna7618 13 днів тому
I didn't see that coming. Rip the best Char in the show....i will miss mariko so much
@scotthewitt258 13 днів тому
I've read the book. I've seen the mini-series. I know how the real-life basis sacrificed herself. This still tore me up.
@hakimzane 12 днів тому
Maaaaaan, this episode had me on an emotional rollercoaster. I yelled at my TV afterward lol.
@ShakaZ3D 12 днів тому
The reactions to this show have been beautiful ❤
@maryanneayumi9594 13 днів тому
I think Yabushige allowing those Shinobi/Ninjas from klling his own men, Mariko and other people was to make Ishido look bad. The death of Mariko will make the Christian Lords think that Ishido doesn’t honor his words after he gave her permission to leave the city but still planned on klling her using Shinobis which actually Yabushige’s doing.
@demitrioxford1819 13 днів тому
I disagree the ninjas were Ishidos doing and yabushige letting them in was what he had to do to be let in his camp you can tell because when they think of places to leave he says the gates which would make it easier for her to be captured not killed, when there trapped yabushige freezes because he genuinely feels he’s about to die which wasn’t the plan.
@maryanneayumi9594 13 днів тому
@@demitrioxford1819 Nobody mentions here that the Ninja’s were Ishido’s doing. 🙃
@thitran1362 12 днів тому
The ninjas are not there to kill her, they were to kidnap her and held her captive. Yabu is trying to play the two side game here, allowing the ninjas in and pretend to escape with Mariko so that he will look good from both side perspectives. Ishido literally make a deal with Yabu in the beginning, that is why Yabu let them in.
@demitrioxford1819 12 днів тому
@@maryanneayumi9594 you said it was yabushiges doing which it was not it was ishido.
@maryanneayumi9594 12 днів тому
@@demitrioxford1819 Yes it was Yabushige’s doing, and nobody said here it was Ishido’s. Who said it was Ishido’s? 🙃🙃
@alvintcura 12 днів тому
You get it, right? If he hadn't resolved to second her, he knew that there was the doubt in her mind that she would go to hell. It's why she took off her cross. Him being the second introduces the plausible deniability that he took her head, and that she didn't actually end her own life; thus sparing her the loss of heaven. (Incorrectly. The intent does matter.)
@newportkillers 12 днів тому
the highlight of the entire series.. the seppuku scene... As I had read many years ago, I thought she died at the gates of Osaka. I had completely forgotten about the seppuku scene, and it was like seeing it for the first time. Mariko Sama is the strongest character ever written. Thank you, James Clavell! And Anna Sawai for masterfully portraying this wonderful character
@pacio49 11 днів тому
Mariko's throwdown with Ishido in public was all about her honor as a samurai and how she would never be held against her will. If Ishido captured her via the Shinobi assassins, then the fact of her capture would prove the lie in her public stance, and her family history would be used to completely and utterly discredit her and destroy any last shred of positive honor that Akechi Jinsai might have had for killing a tyrant. She could not allow herself to be taken captive. If she had not spent the night with Anjin-san earlier, he would not have been present to shoot one of the four assailants who first entered her room, nor stab the second. She was able to fight off two of them, but four would have overpowered her easily without the gun there. And we know how many reinforcements there are running about to assist. She knew that she had to die. We as the audience knew that Ishido had this as at least a backup plan before he blinked in the staredown. The truly ironic thing, though, is that Ishido is the one who prevents Kiyama from attending to be her second. It is arguable that without the added intimacy of the moment with Blackthorne playing that role of second for her (not in the book by the way, lovely adaptation of the scene as written) then Blackthorne would not have been permitted in nor would he have been so bold as to presume the intimacy of arriving uninvited. So in a way, Ishido slipped on his own robe while trying to land the winning blow, just like Nagakato.
@Mugen3 11 днів тому
oh, i think your comment is the smartest i've ever seen in any reaction channel!
@joeybossolo7 12 днів тому
Mariko’s sacrifice essentially guarantees that all the other royal families will side with Toronaga, thus giving him a very good chance at victory against Ishido. That was her mission. And she fulfilled it beautifully.
@ribos2762 10 днів тому
The line blackthrone drew on the ground is a statement of how his thinking is different from the rest, they all flow in the same direction accepting their fate but not him, he's like f that I'm going this way. He again showed it in the storage room. I really like this character, he added a genuine contrast to the setting as an outsider if you get what I mean.
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