So Much Vintage Tech Is Dying... Here's Why

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Old computers and technology aren't made to last forever. Let's go over some of the common problems old laptops, desktops and mobile technology are beginning to face thanks to the cruel passage of time! #retro #computer #fails
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Devices mentioned in this video:
IBM Thinkpad 360Cs (display failure)
IBM Thinkpad 765D (rubber melting)
iBook G3 Clamshell (vinegar syndrome, display defect)
iBook G4 14" (display mould)
iMac G3 Bondi Blue (rust and failing display)
iMac 27" 2012 Tapered Edge (drive failure)
iMac 27" 2011 (GPU failure)
Sharp PC-4700 (drive failure)
Macbook Pro 15" 2006 (display defects, palm rest corrosion)
Powerbook Duo 240 Dock (Plastic broken)
Power Macintosh 9500 (Plastic broken)
Macintosh Classic (failing analogue board)
Macintosh IICX (leaking capacitors)
Dell Optiplex GX280 (leaking capacitors)
Gateway EV700 Monitor (no power, possible capacitor issues?)

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@psivewri
@psivewri Рік тому
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@vanology3606
@vanology3606 Рік тому
Looking forward to it!
@TheProGamerDino
@TheProGamerDino Рік тому
ok,
@Ghost82uk
@Ghost82uk Рік тому
Glad to hear your back to using the same music from most of your recent videos. I love that track
@azizchaudhry9544
@azizchaudhry9544 Рік тому
Can you explain what brand of Eucalyptus oil you use? Are you sure it does not cause long term damage?
@iamdmc
@iamdmc Рік тому
I think you're not storing your things properly I've never had this sort of problem with 10, 15, 20, or 30 year old tech of any sort. Tech doesn't just spontaneously combust. You seem to love putting some sort of oil all over your plastics - yeah that's a recipe for disaster through chemistry. There's a reason that electronics engineers only ever use alcohols to clean plastics (aside from acrylic), PCBs, contacts, etc - it evaporates and afterward there's no chemical reaction taking place Humidity is also a major factor Your tech problem is you - sorry Long term storage of tech: in a cool, dry, dark place. Use desiccant pouches if you can. REMOVE ALL BATTERIES. Lithium batteries should be stored in lithium pouches - not plastic ziploc bags Cleaning: with soapy water in wringed-out clean cloth (microfiber works), followed by alcohol, let dry
@SmolTerribleTornado
@SmolTerribleTornado 5 місяців тому
The tech may die, but their microplastics will be in our hearts forever ❤🥹
@pavel9652
@pavel9652 5 місяців тому
Microplastics and heavy metals ;)
@ahmetcanaksu6821
@ahmetcanaksu6821 2 місяці тому
literally
@bentonrp
@bentonrp 2 місяці тому
Perfectly done! Every word!
@Pickleslip
@Pickleslip Місяць тому
@@ahmetcanaksu6821what bro said ☝️… 💀
@ApexFilmsUS
@ApexFilmsUS Місяць тому
😂😂😂
@gene108
@gene108 Рік тому
Stone tablets should make a comeback. They can store records for thousands of years.
@supahfly_uk
@supahfly_uk Рік тому
Battery life is insane.
@Blox117
@Blox117 Рік тому
no one can read your writing after 1000 years
@bomberharris9322
@bomberharris9322 Рік тому
@@Blox117 Ea-nasir would strongly disagree
@thedapperdolphin1590
@thedapperdolphin1590 Рік тому
@@Blox117 If we can translate Gilgamesh, I’m sure future generations will figure it out
@Blox117
@Blox117 Рік тому
@@thedapperdolphin1590 expressions and stories lose their meanings over time. A joke about people from new York means nothing to someone when new York hasn't existed for a long time
@TeaBurn
@TeaBurn 5 місяців тому
It's a real shame that even if you take care of your tech like a museum artifact, they will still degrade to the point of looking like they've been trashed. I especially hate rubberized coatings, and stay away from anything that's advertised as "soft touch". They always turn into a sticky mess within a few years.
@horsepowermultimedia
@horsepowermultimedia Місяць тому
It is certainly disappointing that the only way to preserve old technology is to keep replacing obsolescent parts to the point where it literally becomes something that is like the Ship of Theseus.
@therabbitchannel2059
@therabbitchannel2059 22 дні тому
You can take that sticky stuff off with acetone. I did it on some knobs a few years ago and they still work. It didn't destroy them yet.
@HieronymusChockvivantvanit
@HieronymusChockvivantvanit День тому
@@therabbitchannel2059 Thanks. I've been looking for a solution to that problem.
@RRC6490
@RRC6490 9 місяців тому
It’s so eerie and almost unnerving watching my childhood wither away like the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean, just a slowly decaying mess of less and less available items, only remembered through the lense of a highly stereotyped image of their time.
@blastermaster5039
@blastermaster5039 Місяць тому
I am actuallt tempted to print some of my old pics on my phone and pc.
@LendriMujina
@LendriMujina Рік тому
To someone who feels as strongly about preservation as I do, seeing old technology break down like this feels like watching the stars going out, one by one.
@liukang3545
@liukang3545 10 місяців тому
TRASHPPLE PISSPRODUCTS BELONG IN THE TRASHCAN ANYWAH HA HA
@GardeDuCoeur
@GardeDuCoeur 5 місяців тому
Planned obsolescence + oxidation 💀
@haven216
@haven216 5 місяців тому
@@GardeDuCoeur I wouldn't say planned. These devices still worked decades after being manufactured
@BrawndoQC
@BrawndoQC 5 місяців тому
@@GardeDuCoeur That is not planned obsolescence. People are using these words way too easily nowadays.
@hinz1
@hinz1 5 місяців тому
HP test gear from the 80s is mostly aluminum, that lasts a lifetime, if you do the occasional electronics repair. It's just crApple garbage, that dies. No big loss, if you ask me. That company went garbage, at the time they ditched 68k.
@sengyew83
@sengyew83 Рік тому
Vinegar Syndrome can be repaired by removing the polarizer (and the original adhesive) and replacing it with a new one. Though how long the replacement lasts is hard to say. Shuichiro Hirakawa explains the vinegar syndrome chemical process in detail in his UKposts channel and also shows how to replace the polarizer.
@goclunker
@goclunker Рік тому
Is this every display? Or ones cleaned with the wrong chemicals?
@akhyarrayhka4048
@akhyarrayhka4048 Рік тому
@@goclunker every LCD display made in the 2000s to 2010s can develop this thing in this 2020s due to age (i have successfully replaced the polarizer on my LG Scarlet TV)
@kenabi
@kenabi Рік тому
@@goclunker i have a few ancient lcds that haven't had any issues at all. so its either improper cleaning, or limited to specific types of plastic polarizers from certain companies. or perhaps a combination of the two.
@sengyew83
@sengyew83 Рік тому
@@goclunker the issue is caused by the triacetate cellulose base (what the polarizer is usually made of) reacting with moisture/humidity or even the adhesive layer. So yes, almost every LCD display including LED backlit ones are affected, because they all have a polarizer. This issue seems to be less prevalent in temperate climates though. Wrong or harsh cleaning liquids are unlikely to be the primary cause, but they can worsen or quicken the damage if the chemical process has already started.
@goclunker
@goclunker Рік тому
@@sengyew83 damn. Everything is made to fail. I am now reconsidering my retrotech collection
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo 5 місяців тому
Yep when the rubberised plastic goes sticky thats tricky to resolve.
@SacredMilkOG
@SacredMilkOG 5 місяців тому
Good thing not everything uses it :) lots of old electronics are still fine and will remain to be fine. If ANYTHING.... Apple has always played the game with planned obsolescence. It's possible they didn't see this coming- but I understand they did something like this again to a few MacBook Pros, a few years in a row. 2014-2017? But yeah. Thankfully not everything uses this crap. I hate it so much. It "feels" neat for a while... but then it goes sticky. And what's more I'm pretty sure it rubs off particles we don't really want to carry with us. 🧠
@joelv4495
@joelv4495 5 місяців тому
Yup. Happens in as little as 5 years. I have an Ableton Push 2 that has the problem...
@bulutcagdas1071
@bulutcagdas1071 5 місяців тому
Some of my old mice had the same issue. The scroll wheel had this plastic layer on top that just seems to have melted down to a goop. I had to remove the whole polastic bit and clean the inside of the mice from all that goop that drooled down inside.
@Destilight
@Destilight 5 місяців тому
The soulution I found for most rubbers becoming sticky is straight up getting rid of the rubber with gasoline, alcohol, acetone... it mostly depends on which solvent the other materials can withstand
@aussiewanderer6304
@aussiewanderer6304 5 місяців тому
I wonder if coating the rubber in something like clear varnish could help prevent it further breaking down.
@judgemental9253
@judgemental9253 5 місяців тому
I absolutely love how percussive maintenance usually ends up working
@enthusia86
@enthusia86 5 місяців тому
I used to have a CRT monitor in the late 90s which turned pink every now and then. I started tapping it gently and it returned normal. As time passed I had to use bigger and bigger force. Months later I was banging the top of the display with full force until it returned normal. Later I learned that the issue was with the power outlet and the display had no issues. Still managed to sell the CRT display.
@octogonSmuggler
@octogonSmuggler 4 місяці тому
My dad calls that "gentle abuse" lol
@BrandyBalloon
@BrandyBalloon 3 місяці тому
It works great on fridges with jammed compressors after being in storage. Give it a good whack with a hammer just as you turn it on.
@CaribouEno
@CaribouEno 2 місяці тому
That phenomenon happened alrady 40 years ago. I was called to someone having a VAX machine (digital/DEC) and it would not boot anymore. They wanted to copy the data one final time. When hard drives ran for a long time and then are turned off for a prolonged time, the bearing grease gets thicker. By giving a gentle knoch it moves a bit - enough for the torque of the motor to spin it up again. The hard drive heats then up a bit making it running again.
@masterkamen371
@masterkamen371 2 місяці тому
It's how my PowerBook G3 has been operating for the last year. The HDD seizes up after a while of not running so I keep a hammer in its bag for starting the system.
@TheMocholoco
@TheMocholoco Рік тому
Back in 1987 my boss had a 2nd generation IBM workstation. green monochrome, big floppy disk drive, the works. She loved the keyboard so much. There was an old photo of Bill Gates with that exact same model in the background when he first started out. It was built solid but computer tech guys all hated her using it and kept wanting her to upgrade.
@JustinHiggins
@JustinHiggins Рік тому
That sounds like an IBM Model M keyboard, they started coming with IBM PCs in 1985. I'm using one from 1994 to type this, I love it. There is a company called Unicomp that still make them.
@NathanPlays395
@NathanPlays395 Рік тому
The old saying seems perfect for this😂
@AerFixus
@AerFixus Рік тому
​@@JustinHiggins "2nd generation IBM" probably refers to the IBM 5160 PC XT, the successor to the IBM 5150 PC. These computers used Model F keyboards! Far superior to the Model M, IMO.
@JustinHiggins
@JustinHiggins Рік тому
@@AerFixus I thought ‘2nd generation’ might refer to PS2. I would love to try a Model F, but they are a lot harder to find than the Model M.
@AerFixus
@AerFixus Рік тому
@@JustinHiggins given the rest of the context: The IT department wanting the user to upgrade the machine in 1987, presumably because it is out of date, wouldn't make sense to be a PS/2 since that was released in 1987. Also notable is that it had a monochrome green screen, which was no longer a standard option for the PS/2. Also, having a "big floppy disk" seems to refer to the 5 1/4" size of disk, rather than the smaller 3 1/2" floppy disks. Anyway, it's an interesting story. And Model M and Model F keyboards are both great. I'm just a snob and I enjoy typing on an F significantly more than an M. Don't get me started on Beamsprings!
@charleshines2142
@charleshines2142 Рік тому
That nightmare of breaking plastic is also very common with cars too. It is engine parts in particular that are made of plastic becoming brittle over time or warping from heat and causing a leak. The worst thing is that more and more parts are being made that way. It is only because it is cheaper, they would not use these horrible things if they were more expensive.
@AlchEm1st88
@AlchEm1st88 5 місяців тому
Fellow car guy here! Thankfully, 3D scanning and 3D printing are solving this issue for us! Guys are 3D scanning plastic parts and just printing replacements or even making molds with the 3D scan so pieces can be reproduced with injection molding.
@srpacific
@srpacific 5 місяців тому
Price wasn’t the only reason for switching to plastic parts in cars. Injection molding is incredibly useful, allowing the creation of parts that you’d never be able to make with metal casting. They also respond better to a lot of the conditions cars face. In fact if say when done right, with glass fibre reinforcement and good design, plastic parts are somewhat better for cars than we think
@kyliecrown533
@kyliecrown533 4 місяці тому
Plastic engine parts have been such an issue for me my car is 8 years old and has had a plastic valve go out each year for the last couple years
@vincentbryan1962
@vincentbryan1962 4 місяці тому
You better get yourself a classic car that’ll last you a lifetime. Unless you feel like buying a new overpriced car every 3-4 years.
@redcherry8137
@redcherry8137 3 місяці тому
Its designed to fail on purpose sadly, more money in parts being needed rather than being set for life
@chitan1362
@chitan1362 10 місяців тому
You should look inside some old 8-track tape players and cassette players from the 70s and before. The belts in those have mostly turned into a viscous liquid that gets all over the place. Good news is that there are brand new replacement belts available.
@kyliecrown533
@kyliecrown533 4 місяці тому
This is a good reminder to change my cassette player belts haha
@masterkamen371
@masterkamen371 2 місяці тому
Not just the 70s, most belt driven electronics older than about 20 years are either suffering from a deteriorating belt or have had the belt fail entirely.
@PutItAway101
@PutItAway101 Місяць тому
I've found the same with an 8mm projector and an EIAJ reel to reel video, belts all either goo or crumbly
@rinrinruru1740
@rinrinruru1740 5 місяців тому
Not just tech, also data and file rot. I went into a rabbit hole about Software rot and its insane. obviously not the same but its a legit thing that happens to internet stuff over time when abandoned and its just mindboggling.
@cantin8697
@cantin8697 2 місяці тому
Happens with USB storage apparently... Learning about that made me think, yep, paper would be better. Imagine having your saved data just suddenly gone.
@sam12587
@sam12587 Місяць тому
I’ve started trying to get back in the habit of paper due to that. Even screen shots if I can’t copy/paste the text into word. I’m starting to deploy binders by subject.
@cantin8697
@cantin8697 Місяць тому
@@sam12587 Same! Even if you use external storage and a format for your documents which is sure to be supported for years to come (e.g. I'm willing to guess that even Windows XP Word files can be used with Windows 11), data corruption can still happen on there. And goodness knows how many times you might need to replace the external storage due to physical rot between 20 years. Expensive! Paper in plastic "wallets" for protection is the way to go. When they're in plastic covering, they can't be damaged.
@thedistinguished5255
@thedistinguished5255 Місяць тому
you should always download what you like on the internet, and ideally keep 2 or more copies
@CARBONHAWK1
@CARBONHAWK1 Місяць тому
Buy multiple USBs and transfer every couple years lol
@RobbsHomemadeLife
@RobbsHomemadeLife Рік тому
The huge amount of electronics and plastic parts in modern cars that cost a small fortune is frightening when you think about how they are going to fall to pieces as they age.
@Musyaaaa
@Musyaaaa Рік тому
old cars also have plastic and everything is fine with them
@lukeonuke
@lukeonuke Рік тому
Had a old E class w211 merc, i wont say that every plastic bit was still maluable but literaly all of it was like new, the only exception being the plastic bits that hold the side spoiler. and the car was from a place where the roads get salted
@hihellothere9569
@hihellothere9569 Рік тому
It depends on how you see it. Because everything is getting expensive nowadays that. Plastic is becoming expensive to produce and make
@loganmedia1142
@loganmedia1142 Рік тому
Cars are made to a different standard though. Modern cars are also probably mostly more durable than those from five decades ago.
@a.g.9437
@a.g.9437 Рік тому
Your car will be a clump of rust, before the plastics start to deteriorate.
@kevmorris3000
@kevmorris3000 Рік тому
That's sad that components will break down with no use over time, even if stored well.
@ebinrock
@ebinrock Рік тому
Indeed, nothing lasts forever.
@krnlg
@krnlg Рік тому
With enough effort, things can be remade. The C64 community is a great example - various failing custom chips but through the hard work of enthusiastic people, modern replacements are now available!
@ATomRileyA
@ATomRileyA Рік тому
@@krnlg Yes so true, there is some impressive work being done in those retro computer scenes.
@MamaMOB
@MamaMOB Рік тому
Everything has its lifespan.
@jayspeidell
@jayspeidell Рік тому
Especially devices designed to not be repairable.
@MidshipRunabout2
@MidshipRunabout2 6 місяців тому
This is a problem in cars as well. Anytime I try to fix, replace or maintain some hard to reach parts, I end up breaking half the integrated plastic clips on the part. Needed to replace a bulb on my headlight, broke 5 clips and the headlight never sits right now.
@bingsterdc
@bingsterdc Місяць тому
100 year old cars are still drivable today. 100 years from now, nobody will be able to drive today’s cars.
@jamesgizasson
@jamesgizasson 29 днів тому
Not without completely replacing all the electronics that make them work. That's why I love old non-computerized cars. Keep it simple, stupid! :)
@finkelmana
@finkelmana 2 дні тому
What you are saying is 100% correct. But do we need cars that last 100 years or more?
@jamesgizasson
@jamesgizasson 2 дні тому
@@finkelmana Why would you not want a car that had the possibility of lasting a century? I'm baffled.
@finkelmana
@finkelmana День тому
​ @jamesgizasson Now I am the one that is baffled. First, lets discuss "Survivor Bias". Yes, there absolutely are cars from 100 years ago that can be driven today. 15,000,000 Ford Model T's were built. It is estimated that less than 10,000 are actually able to driven today. That is a percentage of a single percent - 0.0666%. So what happened to the other 14,990,000? They are scrap. The surviving cars werent driven for the past 100 years either. They were parked somewhere and forgotten about. I would expect if you took a bunch of modern cars and you put them in a garage for 100 years, I would definitely expect more than .06% to work. Cars are not rare and for the wealthy anymore. Around 15% of Americans owned cars 100 years ago. Today over 80% own cars - some owning multiple. There are even children today purchasing cars before they are even able to drive. Car Leasing cars is increasing yearly, with 1/3 of all Americans trading in a leased car after 1 or 2 years. People who purchase cars sell them after an average of 7 years. Simply put, people do not want cars that last. And it goes without saying, consumers want to pay as little as possible for them. This means car manufacturers have no incentive to make cars that last. This video is discussing electronics. Consumer grade electronics are no different than cars. Manufacturers COULD use electronics that lasted, but it would cost significantly more and people still would not want to pay the additional cost. If they did, they would still move on, regardless of the state of the product. In the most general of terms, of course people want things they purchase to last forever. They just dont want to keep them forever.
@jamesgizasson
@jamesgizasson День тому
@@finkelmana Tell you what... when whatever you drive outlives my 30 year old diesel with O'Reilly toggle switches and a Blue Sea fuse block, we'll talk. If you get bored with your ride every presidential election, go ahead and inhale the next line of consumer garbage. Those of us that want our stuff to last, want it to last for centuries. :3
@virtualinfinity6280
@virtualinfinity6280 Рік тому
I honestly hope, these old machines are being used to write proper emulators. Their demise is inevitable, but it is worth to preserve the software ecosystem of these systems for historical purposes.
@science_bear
@science_bear Рік тому
If dos has then it wouldn’t be a surprise if the old Apple computers were being emulated too.
@TorontoPopulistConservative
@TorontoPopulistConservative Рік тому
@@science_bear Check out Sheepshaver
@MrBrno
@MrBrno Рік тому
@@science_bear They definitely are
@USS_Sentinel
@USS_Sentinel Рік тому
For classic Macintosh OSs, there's Basilisk II and SheepShaver.
@jamiegrantadaire
@jamiegrantadaire Рік тому
Yes! I’m trying to figure out how to take my OLD pc games and convert them because now I’m thinking if I buy a late 90s or early 2000s PC it may not work. 😣
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo Рік тому
As a fan of the idea to keep old hardware alive, this is really painful and sad to watch 😢 WiiU owners these days worry about dying NAND storage in their consoles but it tends to corrupt itself depending on who made the flash storage. Luckily my console is still alive and also my old ThinkPads still work fine but seeing what happened to your iBook is real hard.
@KoopaKid660
@KoopaKid660 Рік тому
Yeah. Now I'm worried about my Wii U, but it still works for now.
@Kippykip
@Kippykip Рік тому
Voultar showed a method of fixing it pretty easily
@gamagama69
@gamagama69 Рік тому
some wii u issues are fixable with the UDPIH method, and if you have a dumped nand (which you should if youve ever touched wii u modding) you can actually replace the nand with a replacement chip or a micro sd card
@protocetid
@protocetid Рік тому
geez as if the Wii U wasn’t disappointing enough
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo Рік тому
@@protocetid I mean, the PS4, PS5, XBOX One and Series XS are justsilly locked down PCs, so from my perspective these devices are just as dull as the WiiU to you.
@geraldleuven169
@geraldleuven169 9 місяців тому
This video made me cry, it really hurts seeing our old beloved computers dying a slow and remorseful death somewhere in a dark dusty attic or basement. RIP
@user-xf7mu7ub9d
@user-xf7mu7ub9d 9 місяців тому
Same thing here. I have such a deep connection with my computers and my game consoles. I care so much about them that I did everything I could to protect them.
@darwishshazeen4153
@darwishshazeen4153 8 місяців тому
Me too also.
@jOKIC1-fk5wh
@jOKIC1-fk5wh 5 місяців тому
We still have emulators on our new tech to remember them. Better than nothing.
@papabird4425
@papabird4425 4 місяці тому
Seems like an Apple problem.
@Foam_ball
@Foam_ball 2 місяці тому
@@papabird4425it’s the polarizer on the screen it is any old device with a polarizer they actually aren’t that hard to replace
@Pafishek1
@Pafishek1 5 місяців тому
I love the "enjoy the tech you have" part.
@Yousefgomea
@Yousefgomea Рік тому
I own alot of old tech, mostly phones and game consoles so this makes me incredibly sad. I just wish I could keep them forever.
@Lundbergh
@Lundbergh 5 місяців тому
NES never dies! 🤓
@DOMINNIMOD198
@DOMINNIMOD198 5 місяців тому
You will die before your consoles
@DeepSouthernTX
@DeepSouthernTX 4 місяці тому
I guess vacuum sealing it should make them last longer
@Zappy4001
@Zappy4001 4 місяці тому
i doubt all components would withstand a vacuum (i think back to the The Martian where he brings a notebook out into the martian atmosphere and the lcd screen breaks because of very low pressure)
@theIRS1
@theIRS1 4 місяці тому
or you could shoot all of your old tech into space then bring it back when you want to use it.​@@DeepSouthernTX
@DJSekuHusky
@DJSekuHusky Рік тому
We need to begin uploading STL files for plastic PC components so plastic bits can be 3D printed to restore functionality. A lot of the new filaments on the market are way stronger (especially once annealed) than the plastics that were available back then.
@welcometooaudioland7877
@welcometooaudioland7877 Рік тому
Can you make a video on how to do this?
@dtvjho
@dtvjho Рік тому
This screams business opportunity. A cottage industry needs to develop for computer restoration, just like what happened for old cars.
@draconic5129
@draconic5129 Рік тому
Glad to see some people promoting restoration in this comment section, Restoration is the only real way forward, not crying about it or living in Fear. Either restore it or move on (and ideally if you do move on allow someone else to have the opportunity to restore it).
@DJSekuHusky
@DJSekuHusky Рік тому
​@@draconic5129 I enjoy rebuilding things because I have ASD and find the restoration process to be soothing and meditative. It sort of began with the family Betamax player when I was 8 and it sorta snowballed from there. The unintentional by-product is reducing the number of working or nearly working items in the trash, reusing components that are working to replace ones that are not, and recycling the rest to ensure it's disposed of accordingly. I even got my 3D printer as a broken store-demo at Micro-Center for $50. Rebuilt it with genuine Creality parts for $20 more, then threw another $100 in upgrades on it so it was still less than stock retail ($199 at the time) but with all the upgrades already done. I had never even touched a 3D printer prior, I sorta learned as I went along. My 1st print failed due to warping, but my 2nd print ever turned out perfect. It's been rather dialed-in since. I had to learn some CAD in high school to design and fabricate control-surface hooks for UAVs. so I'm a bit rusty but I'm down for a refresher course. I even have a part in mind that I should be able to test with since I have many and they're prone to embrittlement and breakage (Lian Li case faceplate-clips from the early 2000s). Otherwise I would need the dimensions of the particular item to be printed; while I have a decent collection of vintage tech, I literally can't have everything. Any sort of STL repository would require a substantial amount of collaboration, or at least a 3D-scan of each object.
@23ofSeptember
@23ofSeptember Місяць тому
What I just realized is how much patience we all had in those days. I mean, sure, we did get frustrated if something took forever to load, but we generally could wait a minute or two for a website to start functioning or a game to load. These days, we think something is wrong if everything isn't instantaneous or takes only a few seconds.
@DevinMalone
@DevinMalone 5 місяців тому
So cool to see some of the old computers we all have used - I can't tell you the number of times I checked out an iBook from my school's library for projects... I loved that device & keyboard was a treat to type on. Devices back then were aesthetically pleasing & still functional! The doors on the iMac's were very in-genius for example. Very cool video!
@mehdisol7094
@mehdisol7094 Рік тому
the pastic destroying itself is also a concern for 80's and 90's car. in my car, a lot of gasket, engine part and washer were starting to be made out of plastic. they all now break appart when you try to dissassemble something or were already destroy. There was a really bad play in the steering wheel and it turned out they used plastic spacer to mount the bolt on. those plastic thing disintegrated years ago and left a pretty big hole and that's why the steering was shaking and moving everywhere.
@Novusod
@Novusod Рік тому
In a couple decades it will be easier to find classic cars from the 50s and 60s than it will be able to find working examples of cars from 90s because of all the plastic and tech that just doesn't last.
@HappyDude1
@HappyDude1 Рік тому
Nature and Time destroys everything, even without using it I was looking for a cool honda from the 90s with a vtec. like i had when i was a teen But they are all in bad shape now, they are falling apart Same with other brands .... All the cool cars from the 90s are breaking down and parts are harder to find
@97nelsn
@97nelsn Рік тому
Check out the UKposts channel “Garbage Time” where some of the old cars the owner of the channel has need extensive repairs because of the parts used in 80s and 90s cars. Then again, he also holds and destroys devices that have that sticky rubber surface on his other little known channel called…..DankPods.
@mehdisol7094
@mehdisol7094 Рік тому
@@Novusod plastic and tech can last, but it depend with quality. And at that time they found out that plastic was an awsome material to make some cost cutting part. And that plastic wasn't good either. Look at the plastic from 30's phone. My mother had à phone that her father had, it was from the 20s I guess. Full wood And Iron except for the handle that is hard plastic. Guess what didn't roted or rusted out.
@Novusod
@Novusod Рік тому
@@mehdisol7094 Your mother's phone would have been made out of Bakelite. Not really a plastic in the modern sense.
@rtrojosh
@rtrojosh Рік тому
why did this actually make me cry, like i never grew up with any of these electronics but its like watching someone you know really well die. im into old tech, especially old computers, the fact that this is starting to happen is extremely upsetting but I know there's nothing you can do about it.
@cattysplat
@cattysplat Рік тому
Everything dies eventually. Nothing is immune to time.
@AmazingArends
@AmazingArends Рік тому
On the plus side, at least the concerns about plastics sticking around forever in landfills has proven to be overblown!
@canalRetro269
@canalRetro269 Рік тому
More modular = more durable.
@saaros
@saaros Рік тому
​@@AmazingArendsno, it has not, there are MANY types of plastic, some far more durable than others, not to mention, just because your eye can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there poisoning the soil. microplastic has become a concern for good reason.
@KEVBOYMUSIC
@KEVBOYMUSIC Рік тому
@@AmazingArends Just because a plastic is brittle and breaks apart doesn't mean it magically disappears
@davidlane1248
@davidlane1248 5 місяців тому
I never owned one of those old CRT macs, but I'll be damned if they don't hold up aesthetically. Absolutely beautiful little machines
@ModrnDayMonk
@ModrnDayMonk 5 місяців тому
Watching your disassembly to get to the root cause of the problem is magical; it reminds me of when I started building and troubleshooting basic systems I'd put together from spare parts 🙂
@OnyxLotus
@OnyxLotus Рік тому
Damn this makes me sad. The inevitability of decay even when you do everything right. Just think about all the files that are or will be lost to time not even just because of being forgotten but simply because the machine they were stored on broke down beyond recovery. You know everything ends eventually but watching it happen still hurts.
@iiiiii7680
@iiiiii7680 Рік тому
I will say data recovery is quite advanced these days. While yes everything may not be recoverable you would honestly be surprised of what can be recovered
@deusexaethera
@deusexaethera Рік тому
If you think that's depressing, wait until you find out that you're going to die someday too. Don't feel bad about the lost files, though. Humans generate an insane amount of data on a daily basis, almost all of which is only worth keeping until you find out whether it will ever be useful someday. Most data is no more valuable than old purchase receipts.
@NiCoTHX
@NiCoTHX Рік тому
Iost 2 years of work on a hard drive who suddenly died during the late 2000, at a time I didn't really know about data recovering... Anyway after few days of mourning, I rewrite the disk so now it's f...ed. Yep, it hurts.
@HighmageDerin
@HighmageDerin Рік тому
as far as old films go, there is a special vault built into the excavated salt mines under the great lakes where Hollywood and the government store film reals and other documents that require extreme environment conditions to preserve. The only other way I can see of keeping stuff from degrading is in a perfect vacuum in a chamber that blocks as many high energy particles from hitting it as possible!
@JK360noscope
@JK360noscope Рік тому
Everyone dies bud
@AlottaBoulchit
@AlottaBoulchit Рік тому
I'm old enough to remember most these techs and it makes me really sad to see them falling apart. I got a bunch of old laptops and computers sitting in my house that i sat to the side when I upgraded to new tech. Always thinking "I'll get my stuff off here later." Lmao maybe I should finally get on to that. It's only been 20 years...😅
@270eman
@270eman Рік тому
Why? They are cool to look at but total garbage for anything useful
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit Рік тому
​@@270eman "I'll get my stuff off here later" kinda indicates why.
@soterudsvarten8356
@soterudsvarten8356 Рік тому
@@270eman he’s saying he’s got files on them that he never transferred
@andipajeroking
@andipajeroking Рік тому
@@270eman For anything retro related they are the best.
@christophermorreall3454
@christophermorreall3454 Рік тому
@@270eman false I'm still using old tech in my business even windows 98
@larulrich7417
@larulrich7417 Місяць тому
I remember using those imacs back in the day in gradeschool. What a throwback. I still think about them sometimes and their orange, blue, green and clear plastics. Its something that I can feel and see when I think about it.
@Psyda
@Psyda 5 місяців тому
I'm very curious of the humidity in your home/workspace these were stored. I wonder if that plays a significant factor.
@Monaleenian
@Monaleenian 5 місяців тому
I think that's likely to have been the cause of the degradation here.
@driver8sk
@driver8sk Рік тому
You're running into the same problem that occurs with antiques made with celluloid plastics. there's nothing sadder than a box full of vintage pens and pocket knives decimated by celluloid rot. The best advice I can give besides storing in a cool, dry place is store the things you truly love by themselves with some degree of airflow. The off-gassing from one item breaking down can not just damage other item's materials, it will jump-start their degredation too.
@qwertykeyboard5901
@qwertykeyboard5901 Рік тому
@Orobas 66 The oldest thing I have using plastic that comes to mind is a ~1960s pocket transistor radio made in the province of Taiwan. Zero, and I mean ZERO broken plastic parts, even on the exterior.
@lukasg4807
@lukasg4807 Рік тому
How is it that plastics breaking down is such a big problem but everyone also says plastics never break down and that's why they're such a scourge on the earth?
@qwertykeyboard5901
@qwertykeyboard5901 Рік тому
@@lukasg4807 Plastics are different
@pete3011
@pete3011 Рік тому
@@lukasg4807 Because reality doesn't have much impact on the religious fictions (and profits) of radical environmentalism. Now repent of your enviro-sins or mother gaia will wreak her global warming upon you!
@thunder____
@thunder____ Рік тому
@@lukasg4807 To add onto Orobas 66's reply, if somebody says plastics *never* break down, they're either exaggerating or they don't know what they're talking about. The reality is that plastics typically take several hundred years to decompose, compared to a few days for something like an apple up to a few years for an unembalmed corpse. In nature, it's not normal for anything to really take more than five years to decompose, but the low end for plastics is 20 years. And it's pretty rare for it to break down that quickly; again, a typical timeframe is a few hundred years. So even if it starts to get brittle and useless after 20 to 30 years, it's gonna take a hell of a lot longer than that to fully decompose. And as Orobas 66 pointed out, during the decomposition process for plastic, it 1. leaches out some nasty stuff, things that cause cancers and other similar health issues, and 2. spends most of those several hundred years just breaking down into smaller and smaller pieces. That's how we end up with not only things like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch but also things like fish being caught with stomachs full of plastic and studies showing a majority of humans having microplastics in their blood (you probably have plastic running through your veins right this very moment, and so do I). I hope this explanation helps clarify.
@pabblo1
@pabblo1 Рік тому
0:23 Never thought "vinegar syndrome" would be associated with old tech. I've always associated "vinegar syndrome" with old film stock (more specifically safety film), which contains cellulose triacetate, which over time degrades into acetic acid, the main component in vinegar.
@Porygonal
@Porygonal 5 місяців тому
I’d love to see a video where you cover tech that has miraculously stood the test of time though I’d wonder if there is such a thing . Great video !
@psivewri
@psivewri 5 місяців тому
I like that idea!
@LD-pt5ur
@LD-pt5ur Місяць тому
I found my Sega Game Gear, which had not been seen or turned on for over twenty years. Didn’t work. I did some investigating and found capacitors which had leaked. Managed to teach myself to solder, replaced the capacitors (much trial and error). Turned it on once finished…. And it worked! Seeing Sonic 2 boot after more than 20 years was like going back in time….
@LethalBubbles
@LethalBubbles Місяць тому
you are COOL
@brianmi40
@brianmi40 Рік тому
Before those disintegrate, someone should take careful measurements, as replacements for any plastic part can be 3D printed. Today you can print in nearly any material, from Nylon and ABS all the way through to rubber, like TPU. It's a shame the manufacturers wouldn't release the engineering drawings to make it simpler to preserve a bit of history...
@FingerinUrDaughter
@FingerinUrDaughter 10 місяців тому
its funny you should say that. because patent documents include exact measurements for the finished product. which are completely visible to anyone for free.
@brianmi40
@brianmi40 10 місяців тому
@@FingerinUrDaughter down to tiniest part level? I can see overall dimensions, but wasn't aware you get a full engineering diagram of every single part.
@RhythmAddictedState
@RhythmAddictedState 9 місяців тому
@@FingerinUrDaughter Are there specific websites where we can see patent documents?
@RodolfoAmbriz
@RodolfoAmbriz 6 місяців тому
@@brianmi40 x2 Do you know more about open patent documents.
@brianmi40
@brianmi40 6 місяців тому
@@RodolfoAmbriz no, sorry
@laur6405
@laur6405 Рік тому
The Dell and the CRT monitor are from the capacitor plague era. Those bursted caps would even appear after a few months or 1-2 years back when the computer was new
@blazuma111
@blazuma111 Рік тому
There was also another capacitor plague in the late 1980s-early 1990s because during that time, companies were running out of the materials like tantalum to produce them, so most capacitors in electronics would be replaced with far cheaper and poorer quality ones like most notably ELNA that didn't quite measure the properties of the older capacitors.
@laur6405
@laur6405 Рік тому
@@Orobas-jb9fi i actually did find one of those very old Dell Dimension 2400s or something similar to it that eas still running. Someone was actually still using it and wanted me to fix it because it wouldn't boot anymore. The caps were all fine,the reason it didn't boot anymore was because the original hard drive decided to finally die. This was back in 2022,it was in service since 2002 or 2003 whenever those things were made until last year lol
@laur6405
@laur6405 Рік тому
@@Orobas-jb9fi True,there were a few Dimensions that would have bursted caps (mostly were the one that had higher end Pentium 4's that ran hot and damaged the caps) but overall the GXs did seem to have failed more than the Dimension. As for reliability yeah,i never owned one myself but i did come across a few of them for servicing and most of them were really basic and underpowered Celeron and 256MB RAM combinations,but they were very reliable and actually pretty snappy for the hardware they were using
@Dumb_Killjoy
@Dumb_Killjoy Рік тому
​@@laur6405 I'm currently staring at my Pentium 4 Dell machine from the mid 2000s in fear
@laur6405
@laur6405 Рік тому
@@Orobas-jb9fi Well i wasn't trying to blame the heat for their failure,but those electrolytic caps would burst faster if they would get too hot.It's true that today's CPUs can make more heat,but all capacitors are now solid state and they don't have liquid aluminum inside them as the classic caps do. As for XP on low RAM it depends,SP3 doesn't really like low RAM and old CPU machines,but SP2 and under usually tend to run better on lower spec computers in my experience at least.
@GregoryRCosta
@GregoryRCosta 5 місяців тому
And here I am typing my diary on a 1995 ThinkPad that I rescued from the dumpster at my university. Aside from a dead battery, the beautiful black box works without a hitch--and that keyboard made by Lexmark in 1994 is legendary.
@Bseriesforthewin
@Bseriesforthewin 5 місяців тому
I guess this applies to electronics in modern cars, makes me wonder how computer controlled cars from the 80s and 90s are holding up
@xijinpingsfavoritehemorrho1328
@xijinpingsfavoritehemorrho1328 2 місяці тому
Nor well. I had to replace the capacitors in the computer of my old ford truck, and it was lucky to be only as bad as it was
@protoretro1290
@protoretro1290 Рік тому
I am a collector of consoles, and while I am yet to experience any true disasters, I have been starting to repair electronics as practice. Living in Australia, a very hot and humid place, summer is a stressful time for me, as that is when most things fail. But it is also why I try to collect Australian versions of these consoles as much as I can. Because I have found that many have a fair few differences compared to other regions, presumably so these devices can handle our harsh climate better.
@Doctorlockpick
@Doctorlockpick Рік тому
So you keep them outdoors and not in air conditioning?
@osman_ajmal4011
@osman_ajmal4011 Рік тому
@@Doctorlockpick Keeping your house air conditioned 24/7 isn't feasible for everyone.
@user-yg1dg6xm2g
@user-yg1dg6xm2g Рік тому
One word: "dehumidifier."
@cyberyogicowindler2448
@cyberyogicowindler2448 Рік тому
@@user-yg1dg6xm2g The corrosion comes from battery leak vapours. Moisture only accelerates it or reactivates the residues.
@nuherbleath461
@nuherbleath461 Рік тому
Do you have an og Xbox?
@stuffz4040
@stuffz4040 Місяць тому
The algorithm has thrust me into the old tec/internet rabbit hole, and it’s so interesting. We grew up being told that things are forever, that the internet forever so you should be careful what you post. And yet, we constantly see everything get swept away through terms like micro trends, and just the sheer amount of growth. While yeah you can sleuth, it’s hard to naturally stumble on pieces of the internet from even a couple years ago - heck the majority of videos I get recommended are within 3 years of age.
@randomaccount-rw3bm
@randomaccount-rw3bm 3 місяці тому
I wish there were companies that remade certain parts to these devices so we could repair them
@TheSpotify95
@TheSpotify95 Рік тому
How am I not surprised that some of these older devices are failing... That reminds me, really need to check and/or sell on some of my older stuff. And to add regarding the rubber coating... Dell laptops from about 10-15 years ago are starting to have issues with the coating as well from personal experience.
@bitelaserkhalif
@bitelaserkhalif Рік тому
Rubber coating, well my Dell e5440 has this problem. Gets sticky sometimes, on monitor bezel.
@JustARegularNerd
@JustARegularNerd Рік тому
I have a Dell Latitude 7280 (roughly 5 years old) that is already starting to show signs of the rubber coating going
@Zebra_Paw
@Zebra_Paw Рік тому
@@JustARegularNerd yeah rubber sucks.
@treennumbers
@treennumbers Рік тому
E6430 models started getting this problem years ago, absolutely terrible idea.
@Zebra_Paw
@Zebra_Paw Рік тому
@@treennumbers I found a Dell XT3 Tablet PC with a pen that's like splash proof and insanely shock resistant, with a display that has a single flipping arm. Got rid of the BIOS password, installed Windows, all works really well but the rubber is completely gone. I also had an HP EliteBook from about 2010 with a 1st gen i5, a dedicated MXM GPU and full size display port, experimental UEFI and USB 3, insane machine, but rubber destroyed. I am writing from a pretty healthy ruberized Dell Latitude, I wonder how long that will last. STOP USING RUBBER
@JamesLawner
@JamesLawner Рік тому
This just makes me sad to watch. Really makes you think about the fragility of life and how easily things can no longer exist. Makes me worried about some of the electronics I held on to from years ago 😰
@tomcollins5112
@tomcollins5112 Рік тому
I was wondering why vinyl records are making a comeback. My hunch is that vintage cd's and cd players are experiencing the same problems as the computers in this video are.
@EmeraldEyesEsoteric
@EmeraldEyesEsoteric Рік тому
I notice these are ALL Apple products. Apple doesn't make REAL computers, just cheap knock offs built for the public school system.
@tomcollins5112
@tomcollins5112 Рік тому
@@Ketchyuki I'm wondering why vinyl records are outselling cd's right now.
@jacobsmollet1871
@jacobsmollet1871 Рік тому
@@tomcollins5112because of the aesthetic of them, and vinyls being bigger and easier to put on display. record labels also prefer them to cd’s as there are bigger profit margins on them. and due to the lack of facilities to produce vinyls, albums often sell out very quickly thus many are able to make profit off of them in the secondhand market, and vinyl collecting has become a hobby
@Orinslayer
@Orinslayer Рік тому
@@tomcollins5112 CD's aren't popular anymore, so these 'bigger' sales aren't really a good indicator of anything other than the decline of CD's to such a level where trendy Vinyls outsell them. Nothing to do with durability or usefulness, just nostalgia.
@Bigredtower
@Bigredtower 10 місяців тому
I was working on a DOS 486, pulling it's controller card and the card was so brittle, it could break like a Graham Cracker. I'm guessing it was stored in an outdoor storage room that had drastic temperature changes between the days/nights of winters and summers, cause I found an identical card and it wasn't brittle at all. Be mindful of the temperature shifts of each day, where y'all store your retros, and try and keep it stable.
@BennyB5555
@BennyB5555 5 місяців тому
You’re right - awesome video! I was cleaning out closets and found old cell phones from early 2000’s and the rubber was sticky. However, my Motorola StarTAC from 1996 was fine. I also had an old IBM Dell Laptop from 2004 and it was fine as well still in computer bag. I also was able to use bleach water to get rid of stickiness along with using rubber gloves and small nail brush. It worked as well.
@airthrowDBT
@airthrowDBT Рік тому
Great video. I'm an electronics technician by trade and a retro gamer, so this kind of stuff is very important to me as history and I hope as much of it can remain useable for future hobbyists as possible (and also to stay out of landfills). Another thing collectors are often unaware of is that Styrofoam packing material can chemically meld into the plastic it is holding, so acid-free paper should be inbetween styrofoam and plastics for long term storage. I do also recommend replacing caps.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 Рік тому
and pvc cables can melt into plastic casings and styrofoam
@Shawnerr
@Shawnerr 5 місяців тому
​@@andygozzo72Yes, because of the plasticizer chemical that keeps them flexible. The downfall of course is a cord touching something else and melts into it. It's very maddening when that happens. I always put cords in seperate bags when storing ANY electronic that's not in use, regardless the age.
@delscoville
@delscoville Рік тому
One of the big limitations of silicon today, is silicon is a crystal and crystals grow. So while the FINFETs are getting smaller and smaller, the space between them has been stuck for the past decade, they separate them with a calculated service time of about 30 years. Older chips had a greater space, as they weren't as dense as moderm technology, so they take longer to go bad, but they will eventually. It's this limitation of silicon that has tech companies researching other semi-conductive materials.
@SleepyKyju
@SleepyKyju 2 місяці тому
This is so interesting. Keep doing what you're doing! This kind of thing is like a modern day art restoration. You could have a whole museum, dude.
@SleepyKyju
@SleepyKyju 2 місяці тому
Not me replaying it to make sure it wasn't just me hearing my own Budgie pair funny 😂
@ghmh
@ghmh 5 місяців тому
This is the reality of old tech, thank you for showing it!
@spartan3924
@spartan3924 Рік тому
As someone who doesn't know alot about caring for hardware but is always a couple generations behind, this klind of stuff keeps me up at night.
@supahfly_uk
@supahfly_uk Рік тому
🤣
@Slav4o911
@Slav4o911 10 місяців тому
Unless it's something ancient you don't have to worry. Couple of generations behind is nothing.... I have mainboards from 20 years ago (Pentium 4 era) and their batteries still work. My oldest still working PC is from 14 years ago, works like a charm, so don't worry these things are robust. Also the displays start to take mold when they don't use them... a working display would never catch mold (if you don't literally dump water on it).
@spartan3924
@spartan3924 10 місяців тому
@@Slav4o911 Good to know thank you, I put together a nice pc recently and was praying it would still be good in 10-20 years
@EnronnSierra
@EnronnSierra Рік тому
This was definitely a wake up call. I have been collecting to some older Apple laptops for a while now such as the Ti Books, but after watching this, I am just gonna play them for a few more months and sell them off. I am moving soon and I don't see any need to be carrying this dead weight with me.
@crt_rex
@crt_rex 5 місяців тому
I got three Trinitron CRTs here from the 1970s still going strong, and I hope I go before they go! As in many decades from now, of course. In my experience, some of the much older stuff seems to have been built better, or were perhaps less complicated or prone to failure.
@StaticVapour590
@StaticVapour590 9 місяців тому
Lid of my vintage IBM Thinkpad 3xx crumbled one day I decided to test if it still works. I just opened the lid and it folded in half killing the TFT screen backlight. The plastic was super brittle around the hinges as well
@GarryGri
@GarryGri Рік тому
I've got a lot of diverse older stuff where the plastic is just shattering now, and a lot of gummy rubberised stuff as well. Strangely enough the really old stuff seems to be in the best condition, reel to reel tape, cini projector, PONG consoles, and the VIC-20. 1990 to 2000 appears to be the most rotting!
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 Рік тому
I'm _in no way_ what one might call a 'tech~head', but I believe equipment assembled in those years is so notorious for its 'Bad Caps' (capacitors) that it's an actual 'thing'. As far as I can remember, as well as the usual corporate penny~pinching, there is actually quite an involved story involving industrial espionage and counterfeiting behind the problem but I'm afraid I'm hazy at this point about the details. Apart from low~grade electronic components and the well known problem of built~in obsolescence, I am constantly shocked by the lack of forethought or possibly even ignorance about the way material used in the more mechanical parts and basic construction can degrade in what, to a Gen X'er like me, seems like a remarkably short time - rubber drive belts; those ubiquitous and annoying - even - when - new rubberized coatings, plastic gear trains and doo~dads, plastic and even metal housings... Of course, if you _wanted_ this stuff to degrade (as in, in the environment) it would still be here polluting watercourses and strangling the wildlife come the year 8510, by which time (so the song says) God is supposed to be here - as if to spite us and him both!
@greyking3792
@greyking3792 Рік тому
It's almost as if it's all intentional 😂
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 5 місяців тому
@@richiehoyt8487 planned obsolescence is now in architecture, most houses built in 2020 wont last half as long as a medium quality house from the 1970s
@taith2
@taith2 Рік тому
Only extra tip i could add is having oxygen removing material held in bag together with electronics. Often sold as iron powder bags, iron reacts with oxygen faster than other parts and removing oxygen should make things last tad longer, especially rubberized elements
@ZenoTasedro
@ZenoTasedro 9 місяців тому
I've been playing with an Apple IIGS I've had stored for years. I had luckily learned about the PRAM battery and RIFA cap situations to replace those components before any real damage, the PRAM battery definitely leaked but it all cleaned up nicely with 99% isopropanol. Definitely going to enjoy this old machine while it still works!
@dabajabaza111
@dabajabaza111 5 місяців тому
I think this is very good information for future development. The only way we can see how tech ages is to look at old tech. We can take the knowledge gained here and apply it to future endeavors.
@pavel9652
@pavel9652 5 місяців тому
True, but the tech gets obsolete these days, so quickly, it doesn't matter.
@pilotpaul658
@pilotpaul658 Рік тому
It’s honestly so sad. I’ve been collecting old tech for a while and it’s honestly so sad to see these things no longer working.
@rebeccajeane8287
@rebeccajeane8287 Рік тому
I agree. I've been trying to start collecting old tech and this is like watching your childhood idols succumb to mental illness. I just want to hug all the clunky monitors goodbye just one more time. I may never hear the beautiful tingy noise of my fingernail on a glass monitor screen again.
@ryans413
@ryans413 Рік тому
From my experience this all happens from being stored away. You have to make sure your electronics are stored in the proper conditions. Not in hot humid places or cold dam places but room temp. Once in a while it’s also not a bad idea to pull your old systems out and turn them on let them run it’ll keep them working. It’s like a car let it sit too long things start to break on it.
@younglee6469
@younglee6469 5 місяців тому
Would storing them in a vacuum environment help?
@MrHocotateFreight
@MrHocotateFreight 5 місяців тому
​@younglee6469 oh totally, just yeet your macbook to space with help from Elon, you got this 😅
@younglee6469
@younglee6469 5 місяців тому
@@MrHocotateFreight LOL but seriously though a vacuum chamber, or at the very least a sealed membrane that prevents outside O2 and N2 might mitigate the rusting and other adverse mechanisms
@user-dt9xb7sn2q
@user-dt9xb7sn2q 5 місяців тому
@@younglee6469 Some plastics degrade sooner than others, no matter what. Plasticizers just migrate out the material. Volatile components will actually escape faster in a vacuum. Inert gas environment, like argon or even nitrogen, would be a better choice.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 5 місяців тому
@@younglee6469 I suppose for most of the components that would be beneficial. But I guess there will be some components that will not like it. Maybe CRT some CRT screens are kind of sealed? Maybe capacitors will be more likely to leak because vacuum will "pull" the liquid out?
@codyraymiller
@codyraymiller 2 місяці тому
Oh, man! That Gateway monitor takes me back! Had one like it on the family computer!
@crontelly2112
@crontelly2112 5 місяців тому
it is impossible to preserve something physically forever, but what we can preserve magnitudes longer than the object is the stories and videos about it. the preservation of technology in the long term lies in the hands of copying videos, photos, and telling tales to the next generation. i hope that we continue to preserve technology as much as possible and go to greater lengths to show what it was like
@draconic5129
@draconic5129 Рік тому
You should make a video on Restoration and solutions to these problems, things like recapping, replacing the polarizers of displays, replacing those burned out CFL backlights with LEDs. Things that can help remedy these issues and extend the life of these machines. Also on older machines from the 2000s it's absolutely imperative to re-cap them ASAP due to capacitor plague (a lot of capacitors from that time were faulty and prone to dying early).
@HughJeffreys
@HughJeffreys Рік тому
I purchased a Powerbook 150 for $1 that has that exact display issue.
@Crypt2349
@Crypt2349 Рік тому
Big fan
@SMTahmid
@SMTahmid Рік тому
I got a sony handycam from 2006 with same issue.
@MCHH-ml2qq
@MCHH-ml2qq 10 місяців тому
It used to be a running joke in the PC gaming community back in the late 90s that if you want PC gaming you don't buy a mac or apple products, seeing how easily their hardware has corroded or failed over time watching this video lends some truth to this it seems but then again have a May 2000 built Compaq Armada E700 that has dead pixels through the LCD panel and have to use a CRT monitor to use it for retro pc gaming so mine aren't safe from this either...
@shinyandnotpanicking
@shinyandnotpanicking 22 дні тому
The struggle involved with trying to preserve these machines from their inevitable and rapidly approaching fates really makes me appreciate people who make high quality videos like this documenting these things, so that we don't lose the knowledge and memories with the actual machines. The only thing sadder than things I grew up using as a child no longer being able to function is not having anything other than my own memories, sometimes, to go off of. I enjoy people who make a good, video-based nostalgia binge possible and have so much respect and admiration for that work.
@wolfcanine100
@wolfcanine100 Рік тому
It be interesting to see which vintage tech holds up the best over the years tbh
@diamond6719
@diamond6719 Рік тому
When I was growing up we had a Atari . Then a commodore. And the list gos on. .
@wolfcanine100
@wolfcanine100 Рік тому
@@diamond6719 I didn't grow up with a commodore but have a c64 it's my favorite retro computer. Lol
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 Рік тому
Vacuum tubes hold up pretty well, they will fail quicker than transistors when being actively used but will store for decades, if not centuries. New old stock of vacuum tubes seem to work just as well today as they did when they were new.
@joylox
@joylox Рік тому
I went to a video game museum and some of that was really need. I got to play an Atari 2600, Super Famicom, and some Sega systems I'd never seen in person before. I still have a lot of my GameBoy games that I play on a GameBoy Advance, and my dad has some old Mac stuff. So far the cheese grater looking ones seem to be okay, but I'd love to ask a guy that ran a Mac museum at a university I went to what his experiences were like. I think all of them worked except maybe a neon orange iMac, and the Apple II. I think the coolest one was a working Mac Portable. Certainly discoloured, but it worked. The first battery powered Mac.
@diamond6719
@diamond6719 Рік тому
@@wolfcanine100 We didn’t have a commodore till 77 .
@JohnSmithZen
@JohnSmithZen Рік тому
I had an over-30-years-old bedside digital alarm clock/radio that still worked in 2017. It even played TV stations (audio only). Keeping your lithium batteries charged between 40% and 70% does something like TRIPLE their lifetime.
@duprie37
@duprie37 4 місяці тому
My oldest piece of working tech is an AM/Shortwave radio from the mid 60s. I still use it to listen to Radio National sometimes.
@SHUPIRATE1991
@SHUPIRATE1991 5 місяців тому
Great video , really enjoyed it
@EriolGaurhoth
@EriolGaurhoth Рік тому
The good news is, if you catch some of these problems early, you can replace the affected parts with either new-old stock (if you can find them) parts, or a more modern solution that may last longer. Things like those rusty shieldings could be replaced with something that doesn't rust as much, or would take much longer to rust. I'm not sure if there are any kind of aftermarket 800x600 screens that would be compatible with the iMac ribbons to replace that dead screen, but I imagine if they start failing en masse, some enterprising person could come up with a solution to save the old tech.
@christophermorreall3454
@christophermorreall3454 Рік тому
Some aftermarket companies will make new replacement parts especially batteries. I have many times found stuff on eBay or Amazon
@kllause6681
@kllause6681 Рік тому
someone else mentioned that the vinegar syndrome happens to most old LCD's, and all you have to do to fix it is by replacing the old polarizer with a new one, which is a fairly quick and easy fix (as opposed to replacing the entire screen)
@RetroCaptain
@RetroCaptain Рік тому
Store in a room with a Dehumidifier. Storing in a damp basement guarantees corrosion. It's the cheapest sheet available used in the manufacturing.
@EriolGaurhoth
@EriolGaurhoth Рік тому
@@RetroCaptain I definitely need to do this. I have a finished basement room with all my vintage macs, and it can get /a little/ moist in summers. Bone dry in winter, but I definitely need to get a dehumidifier.
@MajorCadence
@MajorCadence Рік тому
The reasons in this video are why I love to repair vintage electronics. Something about it is really satisfying. I've got that Gateway Ev700A CRT and it arcs inside occasionally. I love to completely replace failure prone electronics (like capacitors) with high quality parts ensuring that they'll run for the longest time. I agree that the worst part are decaying plastics and rubber. By the way, older CRTs can also develop something like vinegar syndrome. It's called 'cataracts' and it's the adhesive between the tube and the safety glass decomposing. Very, very difficult and dangerous to fix.
@joerausch5756
@joerausch5756 5 місяців тому
That's Crazy you showed the exact same ibm my mom's had since 1994. It still works and the display is still going strong. I just played Bomberman on it this last Thanksgiving.
@videosuperhighway7655
@videosuperhighway7655 Місяць тому
Also opening the Hard drive and lubricating the bearings also helps extend life.
@DFWTexan42
@DFWTexan42 Рік тому
The 90s and early 2000s were a time of relentless cost cutting, even in the Mac space. To do otherwise was to lose customers. When I was a repair Tech at my local Best Buy in the 90s, poorly made caps corroding were already a known issue. This is what led to ceramic caps becoming the go to standard. Fortunately, it's relatively easy to backup all your old data to a thumb drive, or better yet, archival quality CD, DVD or Blu-Ray. Just as you can still find a turntable to play old LPs and 78 RPM records, nostalgia societies should be able to refurbish, or manufacture on demand optical drives for the foreseeable future.
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 5 місяців тому
the internet archive is incredibly important for stuff like this, in the future we can probably manufacture something almost the same in aesthetic
@westelaudio943
@westelaudio943 5 місяців тому
The process of making an optical drive requires precision and effort that's not really acheivable (financially viable) on a small scale While anyone can make a phonograph. The only specialized part is the cartridge.
@Scott__C
@Scott__C 5 місяців тому
Also, sometimes manufacturers just have a bad batch or two of those parts.
@glebglub
@glebglub 5 місяців тому
to be fair the capacitor plague was due to counterfeiting in the electrolytic capacitor market, caused by an ex-employee stealing an old/prototype formula from Nichicon and running off to china with it, selling it on so hundreds of factories produced millions of capacitors during the late 90s (either 1996 or 1998, I forget which) until 2002ish and took until about 2006 for all the stock to be either found and destroyed, or inadvertantly used *coughoriginalxboxprerevision1.6cough* I'd avoid flash drive for archival though, depending on the NAND quality they can lose data after a year of being turned off, as their modus operandi is billions of nanoscopic capacitors - better off using magnetic tape or archival HDDs, stored in a climate-controlled and EMP-proof safe
@HydeRvt
@HydeRvt Рік тому
If this video doesn’t make you feel old I don’t know what will. I grew up with most of those products and I remember fondly of seeing them on the shelves brand new😢
@luigipunk25
@luigipunk25 Місяць тому
I hear capacitors on not even that old consoles, like the original Xbox, are leaking on the motherboards nowdays. Truly a shame that these devices will not be around for times to come without replacing components, which I don't think many people posess the knowhow to do.
@sunfishensunfishen2271
@sunfishensunfishen2271 5 місяців тому
I’ve got a 1983 magnavox boombox that’s essentially got an equivalent ‘joystick drift’ in the volume knobs. Other than that it still works flawlessly and is a treat to have around.
@kbhasi
@kbhasi Рік тому
Yes!!!!! You're actually doing a video about it!!!! Stuff like what you mentioned make my life as a vintage PC enthusiast in Singapore troublesome, and I'd never thought the same issues would surface in Australia! For a while, I've been thinking of getting out of the hobby, partially as a result of pressure from my parents who keep thinking I'm a hoarder… ugh! I just wish PCem and/or 86Box can emulate laptops (particularly ThinkPad models) complete with a battery gauge that could be manually controlled or synced up with the host, and also add emulation of early graphics tablets. (4:36) OH NO! I didn't think about using zipper bags! Argh!
@sengyew83
@sengyew83 Рік тому
Tech archival and preservation is very difficult in tropical countries (so both SG and the Australian costal areas). Unless you have constant climate control eg. air conditioning and/or dehumidifier, many of the components like rubberized coatings and ALL forms of LCDs will simply deteriorate. LCD vinegar syndrome is accelerated if kept in an airtight condition as heat is trapped inside with no airflow. Deterioration is actually slowed down if the device is still regularly used. Got an Epson 386 PC along with a CRT at home, CRT can receive power, but no display. The PC POSTs but the HDD is dead. Been wanting to donate to a museum but no one wants to take it in such a condition. Got a Pentium MMX that only boots successfully when it pleases, but the CD drives rubber bands have long since disintegrated. The only things in my retro collection that still work reliably are the game consoles from before the CD era.
@HikikomoriDev
@HikikomoriDev Рік тому
Write a little API that interfaces with the old operating system to the new and exposes the variables of the battery meter, you can write a little interface module that will work with the old operating system to control the battery gauge application or tray icon and manipulate it artificially. You could use VB and winforms.
@kbhasi
@kbhasi Рік тому
@@HikikomoriDev That would work for Windows 3.x where there wasn't a standard, but Windows 95 introduced a unified battery gauge without device manufacturers having to make their own utilities or use an 'information panel', so I'd rather have emulated APM for older OSes or emulated ACPI for newer OSes, but what you mentioned for Windows 3.x and early Linux distro guests.
@greedthenyavaricious
@greedthenyavaricious Рік тому
the melting rubber is the WORST. i had it happen to a phone case from only about 5 years ago and it was so oily and wet that it scared me when i first touched it AND thank you for mentioning the bit about batteries. i'm starting to worry about some of my old macbook batteries - one of the cables shorted recently, and while i think it may have been the outlet, it made me realize i need to be more careful with the batteries :(
@jjlpinct
@jjlpinct Рік тому
Imagine that happening to your knobs and switches in your lamborghini or Ferrari.
@andrewx86x
@andrewx86x Рік тому
It's the hydrolysis of polyurethane unfortunately...Going green comes at a cost...I had to remove foam insulation surrounding wiring from a Volvo. The foam was a sticky green, gelatinous mess...Not fun. Sneaker collectors experience this too when their prize sneakers yellow and literally disintegrate before your eyes!
@cyberyogicowindler2448
@cyberyogicowindler2448 Рік тому
​@@andrewx86x PU is also the stuff that makes headphone pads crumble apart. I hate it. I keep my headphones in a dark plastic bag against ozone and UV exposure now, but if the decomposing substance is already inside (e.g. glue of the foam rubber) it won''t help. Also battery leak vapours strongly damage foam rubber. I collect music keyboards, and all with rusty battery contacts have damaged foam.
@piotr78
@piotr78 Рік тому
See also PS3 controllers :( people use talc powder on the thumbsticks to make em a bit more useable. Hardly a solution but it works in a pinch
@cyberyogicowindler2448
@cyberyogicowindler2448 Рік тому
@@andrewx86x With sneakers it may help to store them airtight (in dry state, not freshly worn) in a dark place and add an absorbent if decomposition forms acid or such things. But migrating plasticizers between different materials are hard to avoid. Seiko made a talking watch "Robo-Air" using the same crumbly sneakers materials. The pneumatic cuff mechanism always decomposed. I did buy the remains with the LCD watch part because of the robot voice, but the strap would need to be completely replicated with different materials (silicone?) if anybody cares. (I collect sound toys and things with strange sound chips.)
@seamarie3111
@seamarie3111 5 місяців тому
Such a cool video, but also oddly sad. I can't help but wonder how our current tech will be holding up in another 10 or 20 years... It's funny, but we have two older Gateway towers -- one from about 1999/2000, the other from 2008. We got both out about 5 years ago to see if they still worked. Well, the NEWER one was the one that actually didn't work! Crazy! The old tower worked pretty well! I have a lot of stories I wrote as a kid on that old tower ... so here's hoping that thing still works, or at least the drive's still ok, when I get it out sometime soon to remove the data I can. I might see about taking the newer tower into a PC shop to see about its drive and salvage anything if at all possible. Same with the old one if I can no longer turn it on. My dad got rid of its CRT, which I'm still irked at, because the monitor we can plug into it everything comes out yellow somehow.
@grumpycat5991
@grumpycat5991 5 місяців тому
One thing I have found that works great on rubberized plastic that get gummy is to get a can of Matte clear spray paint I disassemble/mask off the parts you dont want sprayed and paint them. I have a number of Old Dell laptops that got sticky n the cases and palm rests... I took them apart hit them with 2 very ight coats of Clear and they look and feel like new.
@cosmicswan1922
@cosmicswan1922 10 місяців тому
I’ve noticed the same problems with a lot of my old tech, particularly the rubber on old devices. I got around the problem by carefully painting the rubberised coating with a thin coating of clear nail varnish to seal the rubber away from the air and in this case, it worked. The surface was smooth, protected and sealed. It works for sticky rubber but I don’t recommend it for rubber that’s started to disintegrate. Hope this tip helps someone😉👍🏽
@benjsmithproductions
@benjsmithproductions Рік тому
one of the beauties of more and more progess in 3D printing tech is the ability to recreate long lost and defunct parts
@Imxel21
@Imxel21 7 місяців тому
That’s a good positive on this doomsday video
@1337fraggzb00N
@1337fraggzb00N Рік тому
You know that you became old, when the top notch stuff you once knew, is now vintage stuff from a museum.
@CIS101
@CIS101 Місяць тому
Great video. Amazing how a young guy like our host probably knows more about these old systems than the original owners. Yeah it's sad. I was never a big fan of notebook or laptop computers, but they are essential for business travel. Not being a business traveler nor gamer I prefer minicomputers, and so I don't have to worry about battery, and display failures for example.
@cowthedestroyer
@cowthedestroyer 5 місяців тому
One of my fav and least fav pieces of old tec is the confuser in my 90 d250 truck. It prevents me from doing any power upgrades without resorting to either a full stand alone ecu or going carbureted and losing the spedo and the instant starts in cold weather. It hasnt failed once in 33 years and any day now im waiting for the caps to fail in it.
@majoraslayer64
@majoraslayer64 Рік тому
I've worked on repairing a lot of electronics in my lifetime, and it's always been my biggest interest. While I'm aware of the effects of aging on components like this, it still made me sad. Having it laid out like this gave me a Sisyphus crisis lol. Great video though!
@themecha47
@themecha47 5 місяців тому
you are not sysyphus. Anything that rescues any thing from E waste is a godsend for earth.
@fixative-xyz
@fixative-xyz Рік тому
Thanks for taking the time to make a video about this topic. It's reminded me that I need to check all of my old(ish) computers. And thanks as well for having an epilepsy warning before showing what I assume was a computer screen flashing very quickly. While I don't have epilepsy, I've got a similar condition that makes me incredibly sensitive to any strobing.
@dieseldragon6756
@dieseldragon6756 Рік тому
Thankfully I don't have a condition affected by flickering images, but I rewound the video to see how I'd missed the epilepsy warning you've highlighted here. ⏪ Turns out it's quite easy to miss if you have subtitles turned on! ⚠
@dr.timsmith5539
@dr.timsmith5539 Місяць тому
that last imac was from a school in south australia, pretty cool, the rust was prolly caused when it was stored in the schools warehouse
@cgavin1
@cgavin1 5 місяців тому
Great video! Interesting subject. FWIW I think of old tech like I think of my 10 year old car .. Stuff needs replacing. Things need to be maintained. Especially things that break down with age.
@raypalmer7733
@raypalmer7733 Рік тому
Its also a good idea to be prepared to replace capacitors (all types) as they are the most likely of components to degrade from lack of use. Most analogue circuits are repairable if you have the know-how.
@dungeonseeker3087
@dungeonseeker3087 Рік тому
Disagree, solid caps like tantalums don't really degrade and electrolytic caps from pre 1990 are also generally fine as well. Bad caps (AKA the capacitor plague) started in the early 90s and right now its killing everything from Game Gears to big box Amigas. Preventative maintenance should only be done if its 100% required otherwise you risk ripping pads off trying to replace caps that don't actually need replacing. Edit - also kinda obvious but its worth mentioning, if you are replacing leaky caps be EXTRA careful when removing them as the fluid is corrosive and will almost certainly have eaten away at the pads making them much easier to rip off.
@mudi2000a
@mudi2000a Рік тому
There is some time , late 1990s, and 2000s, where a lot of bad caps have been used which then bulge. I also had a Dell Pentium 4, similar to the one in the video, albeit with a larger case. That completely broke down due to caps issues after only a few years of use. Actually Dell had a recall / mainboard swap program in place but at that time, I lived in a country where this could not be done and I did not have the possibility to bring it elsewhere, and so it eventually failed.
@Wochensau
@Wochensau Рік тому
@@mudi2000a Pentium 4 mainboards are notorious for their leaky caps. That also goes for original Intel boards, it's not a Dell issue.
@gamagama69
@gamagama69 Рік тому
@@dungeonseeker3087 caps from after the plague tho are fine for the most part i thought
@gqinc1202
@gqinc1202 Рік тому
@dungeonseeker3087 it sister start it the 90s it was just worse in the 90s, electrolytic capacitors basically will fail eventually, look into antique radios for example, it's the #1 failure
@jackkraken3888
@jackkraken3888 Рік тому
I would be careful about opening up failed hard drives, dust particles tend to me larger than the normal distance between the read write head and the platter and its why they have to be opened in a clean room or one of those smaller 'mini-clean rooms'.
@meatpockets
@meatpockets Рік тому
Yeah that was a really ballsy thing to do. I remember around the 2000s some thought it would be cool to have windows on hard drives and the recommended procedure was to do it in a steamy room. If you ever see an image comparison of the drive head vs. dust or hair it's huge.
@jonathantan2469
@jonathantan2469 Рік тому
I worked at a hard disk drive production plant, and yes, dust & also particles from your body that are too small to see can cause a head crash. That's why we suited up & the whole plant used laminar airflow with HEPA filters, raised flooring, and airlocks.
@joshuakim2341
@joshuakim2341 5 місяців тому
I remember having that exact gateway monitor. So many memories.
@Felixthewildfox
@Felixthewildfox 2 місяці тому
Seeing all these old pieces of technology slowly falling apart over time is very upsetting to see I guess it's true that nothing lasts forever.
@retrolobo
@retrolobo Рік тому
Vinegar syndrome is quite an annoying cosmetic (and smelly) issue. I recently published a video fixing this issue on my iBook G3 Clamshell, just by replacing the polarizing film, in case it helps someone. Let's take care of these devices so they can last for a long time!
@SubieSage
@SubieSage 8 місяців тому
I started collecting old Polaroid cameras about 10 years ago now. At the time, almost every single camera I bought worked perfectly. Now almost all of my 80’s cameras have failed in one way or another.
@RyanKarolak
@RyanKarolak Місяць тому
The paint on my 2006 Macbook Pro started to come off after a year or two, so that happening to other Macbooks and Powerbooks of that era is not surprising to me. My iMac G5 randomly stopped booting. I need to replace the hard drive with an SSD. I also have a bunch of old clamshell iBooks that while not in great cosmetic condition when it comes to their cases, they work fine last I checked. What I have the most problem with are my classic Macs - My Mac Puls, SE HD, and Classic. Each have its own issues. Plus needs to be recapped, SE needs a new logic board, and the classic's internal speaker doesn't seem to work for some reason. Fortunately my Powerbook G4 867 still runs well for using old software. That Gateway screen brings back memories. I had one, and my high school used a bunch of them.
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