best comment! Thank you!

I can imagine the pain of tracking, roto and so on

I thought they just used green screen tape or something over the upgraded suit when I saw this lol

I noticed it when I was watching it in the movie on the cinemas last year

@@AlexisRivera3D yea there was a scene where the neck and his head had some small issues I saw it but only few vfx artist will notice it

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Tom's suit was perfectly done but just look at andrew's cg suit in tasm and in nwh, they could have done better

@@InsaneSibs Yeah their suits didn't look perfect. Overall though the VFX were great. What I was saying is that the general public appear to say a film has shit cgi if just one little thing isn't perfect. As a VFX artist I just find it very frustrating.😂

Parademic problem ! many people don't remember they working at home at this time

I am a VFX artist. And while objectively, this movie doesn't have terrible CGI, it ain't nothing to be celebrated either. This exact formula has been used for years on many other movies, namely, Marvel movies, and this particular movie was supposed to be a cut above the rest, and yet still delivered what I and many other coworkers of mine consider a half-assed job. The attention to detail on the world building and everything was really good... but when you fail to deliver that same treatment to your moving frame CHARACTER, then you did not finish the product properly. The blame can be entirely attributed to budget constrains or last-minute changes, as many including myself, believe the addition of Tobey and Andrew were.

@@AlxCVFX I fully understand and put myself careful thought when reading your explanation. but I have a question plz answer, so why do some films with a typical example of NWH make the visual experience unreal and uniform. Is it because the cinematographer chooses the scene and the angle is not good ?

Im assuming part covid restrictions and part artistic choices. In homecoming they did use practical suits but they wanted the suit to look more skintight so they replaced it with CG

yeah i think ive seen somewhere that the design was still being polished when filming so they opt to shoot with the og suit

@@gabrieltelmo6400 I remember reading that the integrated suit design actually came from an unused concept art. I think people found out about it before NWH was even released.

Last minute changes on behalf of marketing... They must've come up with the Integrated suit idea late in production.

It was decided later during the post production that he will wear a new suit

Nothing compares to that

It just has a darker tone so it looks better because you don't need too much details

But don't get me wrong it's still amazing cgi ahead of its time

@@nimislaknumis4615 its not ahead of time, cgi these days are just getting lazy cause they can earn ez money already… compare to old movies like kingkong, jourasic, avatar, spiderman, transformer, ironman, etc… thats the standard back days… right now just cash grab fan service

@@PunxTV123 Thanks for saying that out loud and risking with the fanboys

bruh you just described animation

Yeah it's called animation. It's happening now.

Regardless, visual effects artists will still need to put in the time and effort to create the CGI.

That’ll be more expensive than just having the artist and the set☠️

@@huhjanus 🤣

well if it looks good I don't see an issue with it

It’s not the VFX department who’s fault it is but rather stupid producers who decide that Spider-Man needs one suit more for merchandise, Spider-Man had 5 suits in this single movie. It’s a pain for the costume department and the VFX team because as a designer not only do you have to design a suit more on time but as a VFX artist you have to replace so much and given that it’s marvel you’re under major time pressure

thats why at times it looked so half baked

Covid happened.

Lower VFX budget

Marvel/Disney/Sony changing the release date and forcing the movie to be released before Doctor Strange

@@isomericgamer6644 That's not an excuse, they did a terrible job and it shows.

@@ironmatto3 also Andrews suit doesn’t have wrinkles

Overtime with no pay :)

Get over it, touch grass

Design wasn't ready

Alan's right, the design changed over time, also, it's impossible to make metal that bends and folds like nano particles, so it needed to be CGI

And it doesn't really matter, does it? Movie magic is a trick, and everyone was fooled by these magicians

It’s always CG tom’s suit. In every movie. This is really bad. They are saying suit isn’t ready but, nah. This is not the only reason.

@@Aem2512 Get over it.

This instantly tells me you have no idea about the logistics of cgi in a movie production and you're just saying what somebody else with no knowledge of CGI said on the internet. Also marvel creates the most impossible things in cinemas these days. And Cgi enables them to create the impossible without any production hurdles. They are not making the Godfather here, they are making superhumans and alien planets. I challenge you to go out and shoot an action scene in NY times square, blow up some buildings, make people fall off windows. This will give you a good idea why they use that much cgi. Even Nolan can't do it without cgi. So don't just spit out words you read or heard on the internet.

@@MrMiyagi005 They clearly don't need to use it when Tom Holland is just standing and interacting like in 2:09 . He already wears that perfect suit that looks so much better and it also gets replaced by CG!? It must only be used when you cant match that in real life like the iron spider suit.

@@andrewprasanna9323 heres the thing, at the time they were shooting the film, the suit with a nanotech golden bit design wasnt even made yet, they would have no time remaking another suit, and so they reslved to using cgi, they have done thing multiple times, the most famous one is on endgame, the white suits were also not design or prepared during the movie was shot, so it was completely cgi. plus, use cgi if they want to, who are you to judge.

@@MrMiyagi005 i agree, hey have amazing works using cgi, it is almost their main thing now, people judge them for using cgi but like, id like to see them make an amazing movie even with their budget

@@ethanael_yovan wdym who am I to judge? So many people hate how to CG suit looks. It works great when used correcty but it is overused and looks unrealistic.

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@@Vintagesonic1 Oh thank you

yea but it didn't look as good lol. They still use practical suits in this movie if you watched bts

Because typically the producers cannot make up their mind, so the final design of the suit is locked only after plate photography has started.

@@darrendecoursey740 sounds like a lot easier to get better producer than making artist replacing the suit…

@@hany8667 It does. Unfortunately, most producers have the money and therefore the final creative control, so if they want to waste it on fiddling with cg suit design in post, be my guest...

Does it really matter? It looked perfect 100% of the time. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about Tobey and Andrew's suits...

@@ThiagoSWyse i think it does. I worked in VFX for years and i did suit/body replacement. It was painful and tedious for artists. Just thought maybe we can spend those hours on something else…

cause sometimes they just dont have the right idea for the suit yet, this happened with endgame's quantum suits

They did with some of the suits

Thats what I'm saying, whoever was in charge of this decision really goofed up

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Ok but i wouldnt call it ugly this video clearly shows the IMMENSE amount of hardwork the vfx team went through not to mention im pretty sure tasm2 and the older movies werent filmed during a pandemic

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@@PeterParker-mp7ns Batman doesn't have as much going on in that film than spiderman's lol, batman was way more grounded so it didn't need that much cgi.

Laughs in 2000s spiderman films

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Movie magic, baby

It’s much better if cgi is used sparingly

The movie is about to get outdated in a few years But Jurassic park still holds up today

Yea the night scene helped hide a tons of errors

@@faithfultennysonidama6904 And most of their hard, good work, as well.

boy, that's a lot of rage you got there

I invite you to help them solve the problem. I'm not being sarcastic, come on, get to work, any problem can be fixed

@@ThiagoSWyse see you fan of spiderman in last movie they only used his head the suit was cgi soon no actors at all all cartoon nobody can help them few want to admit but all new movies are shit because of cgi usage

@@brianandric5743 the full body replacement has been a thing before end game, the people like you don't know anything about cgi or filmmaking but tries to sound like experts on the internet get to shit talk now because you just found out what they were doing, otherwise you wouldn't be saying this shit because it looked 100% flawless. " All new movies are shit because of cgi usage"; marvel has been using cgi since like the 1-2 iron man, nowadays they have like 2-3k shots in each movie and they are pumping 50 movies each year and artists are getting less and less time to do more amount of work than before and that's why some of the shots in movies/tv shows end up looking bad because of lack of time. Saying cgi is bad is like the most shallow and ignorant take ever because nowadays movies have thousands of full cg shots but people like you think cgi is bad because you can notice 1-2 bad rushed shots but didn't notice anything about other 3000 flawlessly executed full cg shots. The irony of these comments is just staggering.

@@brianandric5743 dude chill people make this for a living if u don’t want cgi movies then don’t watch em u want people to risk their life because u want to get entertained

So CGI makes a movie? How about appreciate the movie itself, and not just what it looks like. It wasn't even that bad but you guys go into every frame of the clips just to make the movie seem bad. If you watch it, and stop being so stuck up you'll enjoy it.

@@ez-qz3lq no, kids enjoy it. dont defend something thats a downgrade from a movie in 2012

@@ez-qz3lq bro ur in every comment defending marvel and their addiction to cgi. He has every right to complain about the cgi in the suits, how the fuck did the cgi in Spider-Man 3 and TASM2 looked better than Tom's trilogy

VFX artists being lazy is probably the worst take I've ever heard, they are being overworked and constantly being told to change things because directors or the producers can't make up their mind on what they want. Not only that but any changes made to a shot still doesn't get counted for overtime which means that Disney, Marvel, or Sony are basically abusing this to get VFX studios to do what they want. This means VFX artists are at a constant struggle of maintaining their job because these piece of shit companies keep treating these studios like some kinda factory.

​@@AdventVFX Not at all what I was trying to say, sorry it might not have been worded well. I actually 100% agree with what you're saying, that was what I was trying to convey with my original comment. The higher ups were the ones I was calling lazy. They severely overwork their CGI departments with unrealistic deadlines. A good example is Avengers Endgame, working on the special effects for that film must have been pretty shit. Like they used CGI for all the suits just because they didn't feel like designing the suits before filming, which is really a shame on a number of levels. Not only would the suits have looked better if they were practical, but that would have freed up a lot of unnecessary work for the CGI guys. Big companies are treating their workers like shit, which makes the final product and (more importantly) the mental health of the workers suffer severely from it.