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💬 The topic of Steam and AI has come up again, this time because a AAA game that is using AI has just landed on Steam
It's called THE FINALS and the developers are very transparent with how they are using AI voices during gameplay.
So is Steam now always allowing AI? Or is it simply the same reason as previously, is it simply a question to do with copyright.
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@dimmewestfingers9391 4 місяці тому
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@geekworthy7938 4 місяці тому
Art, text, or music created by a computer cannot have a copywrite since computers are not granted copywrite protection by U.S. law.
@BerixMaster2010 4 місяці тому
Good and informative video, CM, even the title does seem a bit too clickbaity. Valve hasn't changed their stance it seems, and that's a good thing in my opinion. As for the two AAA games you mentioned, the devs of The Finals said they do have the rights to the data for the AI voices like you said, but High on Life is most likely a grandfather clause case, since that came out a few months before Steam's AI rule came into effect.
@commanderoof4578 4 місяці тому
If you cant prove you own all rights to all data used to train an AI This game gets through because they own all of it as far as i am able to find out But plenty of games use open-source AI and do not own all rights nor ever have a licence allowing use of everything because plenty of copyright breaking stuff is used to train some AI
@RealFableFox 4 місяці тому
My guess regarding the voice thing - there are companies out there that specialize on this, but that is how James Earl Jones licensed to Disney his voice to allow creation of new vocals based on his voice. This + AI (including tech by NVidia) not only allow the changes in script later on, but also real time voice in games.
@cynth4941 4 місяці тому
I'm impressed that no one has mentioned this yet, but I doubt Valve is going through every inch of the game to check for AI generated content. If your game has visibly AI generated art plastered all over with no original assets, it's probably going to get hit, unlike games like The Finals which are all original assets with just AI voices, and somewhat decent ones that are not that easy to spot. I think no one will know if you use AI to generate some text, song or texture, but if your whole game is basically an AI assetflip then you'll have a problem
@minze202 4 місяці тому
It might be that valve just find it unlikely for indie devs to actually have the rights for training sets. It's easy to imagine that AAA-Studios have trained their AIs with assets from all their previous titles and artist. For indie devs I can hardly imagine the same to be true. I mean how many openly available AI-tools are there that aren't trained on random assets from the internet? Even ChatGPT had a lawsuit regarding some authors accusing it of using their books as training data.
@RealFableFox 4 місяці тому
Indie that is using Unity and Adobe tools should be in the clear for now I guess.
@MathsPlusGames 4 місяці тому
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@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Don't think so, that one doesn't stack with other discounts so I don't think it would stack with coupons either
@pricemedlin5651 4 місяці тому
That’s really cool but also kinda weird, they use voice actors just for their voice and not acting
@GamesAreArt1 4 місяці тому
you said it yourself Valve is banning games use AI-generated content that are questioned about there right of use I am no lawyer, and a problem for us indie that most of us can't afford lawyers Example if Rockstar takedown you GTA 6 video cause you are using clips from there video(GTA 6 trailer)are you ready to make a law battle against them?(and yes technically they can take down your video).So if I'm going to use Unity AI i simply tell Valve that in the TOS that i agree for using Unity AI said that the training is based on Data they owned and i put myself in the safe zone if Unity was Lying about this(for what ever reason)then this is not my problem.
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Yup Rockstar could definitely take down my video on GTA6, they made the game they own all the copyrights to that footage. If they did try to take it down I would comply, I'm definitely not going to get into a law battle with a billion dollar company heh Unity said they would defend people in the case of lawsuits, Adobe said something similar, but as far as I know no one has tried that out yet so not sure exactly what legal procetion they provide
@cosmonautisimulatorispazia4692 Місяць тому
It's impossibile for anyone to understand if an assett is AI generated or not. This is a very big problem.
@itisWhatitis12345 4 місяці тому
It's mainly for AI Art where steam enforces. If you do story they have no way of knowing. And for voice generators they have been in steam games for years. I guess probably all of those were trained with paid voice actors as you said.
@GameDevBox 4 місяці тому
I have a question, how does valve know there are AI assets in your project? So if we have an AI-generated Texture How do they find out?
@watercat1248 4 місяці тому
The AI arts have the own art style. As shomene that makes my own art I'm able to tell Wich art is completely generait. As for other AI parts like voice text ECT I'm not that familiar One other thing if you use AI as tool like upscale for example I don't think I will be a problem.
@GameDevBox 4 місяці тому
@@watercat1248 but still it's not proof that you are using AI, there should be some evidence to prove you are using AI. Also, I'm talking about textures or even Text, The image like midjurney looks like everyone can guess it's AI. Idk it's just a little bit confusing :/
@watercat1248 4 місяці тому
@@GameDevBox that is true but I'm not the one who made those AI rules And I have 0 idea what AI detection system Steam using so no matter what I will say it probably be wrong
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Some things are obviously AI generated (missing/too many fingers for example) But yes for a lot of things nowadays you really can't tell, so they only know if it's super obvious or if you tell them
@dreambadger 4 місяці тому
Are you doing an update? cheers
@suspecm6316 4 місяці тому
Classic Valve sticking up for the small guys, except when there is the tiniest of risk of losing any money, then only AAA gets preferential treatment
@wilpuriarts5895 4 місяці тому
Banning AI is like trying to ban FL Studio. That tool also made some professionals jobless, but that’s the march of progress. You still have to make your own stuff, you can’t just slap a Prince track in your game. The thing with many uses of AI is, that tracking the right and wrong ways of using that tool will be hard.
@MarushiaDark316 4 місяці тому
I don't know the details of the lawsuit, but my guess would be it got dismissed on similar grounds to how piracy works. If you watch a video that's uploaded to a piracy site, then you're not the one liable, but the host site would be since they're the ones with the ethical obligation to ensure proper licensing and you become a victim of fraud and misrepresentation. Similarly, it wouldn't be the individual dev who gets slammed for using AI art through a central repository, that'd be Midjourney's fault for using unlicensed IP. If that's the case of what happened, then basically it means you can't get sued for using tools that you, in good faith, have every reason to think are honest. The case would be dismissed for "lacking standing" meaning the other party can't come after you as they don't have a valid claim against you. Don't quote me on any of this, though.
@flamart9703 4 місяці тому
That would be true if you didn't know that the AI was using copyrighted data, but you do know that, right?
@MarushiaDark316 4 місяці тому
@@flamart9703 The principle of "good faith" and "presumption of innocence" means we default to everything being above board until we have reason to suspect otherwise. Again, if the AI companies are claiming to do things ethically, then we should take them at their word until they're proven to be frauds. That's just a good way to go through life in general.
@elle3508 4 місяці тому
No lawsuit has been dismissed, that is misinformation...
@antikomar13 4 місяці тому
Question, how will Steam know that the game uses AI content if they don't talk about it? Or is it just the fact that it's being talked about that's the problem? Then, I also have another situation like this. I'm developing a game, and I'm also drawing artwork for it. I have a neural network that I have trained on my artwork to draw in my style, and of course the basic version of it is taken from the public domain. Question, if the art is in my style, and almost indistinguishable from my other art, how will steam know if it's my art or AI?
@flamart9703 4 місяці тому
They will scan internet with ChatGTP for your activity and will find this comment of yours, where you say you are using use AI, hahaha.
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Basically if it isn't obviously AI art (too many fingers) and if you don't tell them then it's hard to anyone to know You question is that legal grey area, it sounds like you're saying you took something that was trained on a huge open source dataset and then fine tuned it on your own style, right now no one knows if that is legal or not.
@Mel-mu8ox 4 місяці тому
Its now impossible to separate AI from most software. With AI tools being used to help write code, generate possible solutions, brain storming ideas, even search engines are AI It kinda feels like now that its being used so widely, on almost everything, its not going to be possible to separate what is AI and what is human.
@CraftBasti 4 місяці тому
My understanding is that the issue is specifically with AI Art
@Mel-mu8ox 4 місяці тому
@@CraftBasti There's also problems with copywrite code being given by AI verbatim. But at least some AI now let you know if the code is patented, so your less likely to get sued when you use it :/ (note: if you ever want to be a programmer, do NOT search or look for patented code)
@CraftBasti 4 місяці тому
@@Mel-mu8ox I am a programmer and I have no idea what you mean by 'patented code'. To bad I will never find out. There just must not be such a thing. (just play along!)
@Mel-mu8ox 4 місяці тому
@@CraftBasti lol XD
@Antantic_ 4 місяці тому
It's really interesting how Valve's check for AI-generated content works, especially in the case of voiceovers, as it could significantly simplify game development (I was just thinking of using a similar approach in my project and immediately recalled your previous video).
@wfam9609 4 місяці тому
Just Don't let valve know you are using AI.
@bregassatria3130 4 місяці тому
This is such a clickbait video, everything you explain here was already known fact many months ago. Steam never banned AI in the first place, you just need to show proof that you own the model or have the license for it.
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Maybe you read the whole articles but most people just read the headlines, there were tons of people freaking out back then and those same people are now confused as to how The Finals is allowed on Steam. The whole reason why I made this video was because I saw exactly that same confusion on Reddit. So you might fully understand the issue but not everyone does.
@flamart9703 4 місяці тому
@@CodeMonkeyUnity I think he means the title of the video, an "Is" at the beginning would prevent disgust. Many vloggers and journalists use this technique, to put a misleading claim in the title of their materials to attract more people, and with a question mark at the end, to avoid accusations of lying, but it is annoying for people who are looking for objective information and are tired of media tricks.
@franciscomagalhaes7457 4 місяці тому
IP rights when generative AI is used is an interesting topic. I am fully on the side of prohibiting usage of other people's work without pay or consent. However, humans themselves don't just come up with things out of thin air. We always build upon something, upon some previous knowledge, use or are inspired by other people's work, to a larger or smaller extent. Does an artist that designs a spaceship in that distinctive retro-futuristic aesthetic of the Nostromo not get to sell their work because they don't own the Aliens IP, for example? Of course, a human taking inspiration from something is a big leap away from a tool like a neural network being trained with images of the Nostromo. But it seems to me like there's a line here that needs to be drawn, and it's not easy to figure out where. Saying "the line is drawn between human and machine" seems like a cop-out to me. We need to decide at which point does inspiration become plagiarism. We might be getting faced with this very old question again, this time with our technological future at stake, depending on the answer.
@jjones1032 4 місяці тому
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Human beings are inspired to create - machines are told to do so. What we need more than anything (in my opinion) is a reliable way to detect ai-generated content, and laws requiring that such content be identified as such.
@Hietakissa 4 місяці тому
@@jjones1032 Then comes the question, is art created by humans original either? I'd argue every piece of art ever created by a human has stemmed either from nature itself or another piece of art, either intentionally or subconsciously. In which case, what makes AI any different? We humans were just trained on a lot more and more varied data
@jjones1032 4 місяці тому
@@Hietakissa I don't think it's a matter of whether art is 'original' or not. It's human beings that give meaning to art - through our lived experience. A machine has no concept of meaning. It feels nothing. It's just putting pixels together as it has been instructed to do.
@franciscomagalhaes7457 4 місяці тому
@@jjones1032 I don't think all art has meaning. I've seen drawings of cats and sculptures of stuff beautiful on their own, but with no meaning to speak of. I don't think this line of questioning is the way...
@jjones1032 4 місяці тому
We're headed toward a truly awful future.
@thomasamara1453 4 місяці тому
Have you watch the video to the end?
@The420Oasis 4 місяці тому
Steam caught wind of me cursing them due to my game's technical power in this race. If you chose to not let me help you perfect your game through your ignorance ignoring me when I offered to perfect anything for literally everyone, I'm sorry, I tried to help ya. So Since Ignorance Is Bliss, apparently, enjoy not knowing whether or not you could have been one of the few Perfecters of our generation.... My Own Freelancer Chose To Ignore My Beginning Warnings Of Not Using Every Little Thing I Gave Him Back Then and then comes to me nearly half a year ago, when the game was already a year in the making and decides to ask me for the stuff I gave him back then Like Dude, How In The Actual Am I Supposed To Remember Something I Was Told Would Be Used Instantly? You chose not to use it, now either figure out how to fix it, Mr. I Won't Teach You To Code Until Years Later....
@The420Oasis 4 місяці тому
... Or Enjoy The Purgation You Created.......
@lawrence9713 4 місяці тому
I mean, just look at The Day Before, absolutely not trustworthy, and if a team like this is using AI you can 100% guarantee they have no right to the stuff.
@roflcopterpilot 4 місяці тому
AAA will get the ear of someone at Steam to make their case, but for indie devs it's like screaming into a void.
@Cuprite1024 4 місяці тому
Title is kinda misleading, but what you *actually* mean makes sense. If you have the rights to use whatever is generated, it's probably fine. Probably.
@MrThito 4 місяці тому
Hey CM, How are you doing?
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Doing good, thanks! Hope you're having a great 2023!
@ExpensivePizza 4 місяці тому
I can see a future where there's specifically trained AI models made for indie game devs that are Steam approved.
@PotatoManager420 4 місяці тому
What if someone comes up with sound procedural generation, including voices? Can't a voice be a generated soundwave which had no real human/actor to be originated from?
@dimmewestfingers9391 4 місяці тому
Can you create enemy AI State machine for patrol, chase, and shoot attack with animation using the new AI navigation in unity3D
@samwalter17 4 місяці тому
I think you meant to type that in chatgpt
@onewayroad3765 4 місяці тому
Yes because of me. I actually tell the tip top guys from steam to lift the ban😊
@Destiny4CODERS 4 місяці тому
Valve being good boy
@holdthetruthhostage 4 місяці тому
They had to since .ore indie games will feature AI
@cartoon80s90s 4 місяці тому
I hope the entire discussion about AI comes to a conclusion soon. Right now the less volatile solution would be to make art/sound created with AI free to use by anybody. So big companies will avoid using an asset that would be copied by thousands the very next day, but small indie devs will probably be fine with it if they can use decent art/sound for a fraction of the high cost quality art costs now. Having people copy art assets would act as advertisement for the game anyway.
@yakamozStudios 2 місяці тому
I recently made a steam page in which the capsule art is AI-generated and I declared that in the review process. And they accepted, so I guess you don't need to prove you own copyrights as long as you don't get sued.
@boraozenbirkan6853 4 місяці тому
I don't get why AI is illegal. It basically learns from the existing artworks just like a normal artist does. If you put a human on an island and just provide the food and avoid artistic stuff that can inspire him/her. That person can not create the artwork we see in the games or everywhere! Do artists pay other artists when they look at their artwork and learn from it, inspired by it? No. Why does AI have to pay then?
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
That is indeed the legal question. As far as I know it is perfectly legal for me to hire a human artist (who learned on tons of paintings made by others) to do a copy of a Picasso painting. The argument that people make is the scale difference. A human learns from watching something like thousands of paintings, whereas an AI learns from billions of inputs.
@boraozenbirkan6853 4 місяці тому
@@CodeMonkeyUnity I understand that but if we look from that perspective, we should throw away our printers and let the old scribes write all the books by hand again! It is a similar thing since in both cases the production time and the quality of the product change. On the other hand, I want to protect the real artists who really create unique art. We should find a way to protect them and let the technology expand since it is inevitable.
@alexsilva42361 4 місяці тому
My hope in AI and Steam failed again! 😮💨
@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot 4 місяці тому
I mean...define AI lol. AI has been used for content generation since the 80's
@slackamacgaming6721 4 місяці тому
The only thing I've used AI for is concept art...using one of those free text to picture AI websites...then i just sculpt or model my asset using the generated AI pic as a reference...ngl, AI comes up with some weird stuff sometimes tho...
@RealCoachMustafa 4 місяці тому
Thanks for the update. From this, I take it that Midjourney would also be legal to use because midjourney owns all their datasets, and if you have a subscription with midjourney that also gives you a license for commercial use. Stability AI would definitely be the one to stay away from because it's open source.
@CodeMonkeyUnity 4 місяці тому
Oh does Midjourney own all their inputs? Interesting, I thought they were also trained on that huge open source dataset.
@MisssPixelSticks 27 днів тому
Midjourney absolutely does not own the rights to their dataset. It's one of the main generators known for harvesting art without any kind of consent.
@mpixel2058 4 місяці тому
Technically doesn't every game have AI though? lol
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