Stephen Breyer: ‘rule of law’ is a weapon against chaos
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12 днів томуThe Supreme Court will hear landmark arguments Thursday concerning the scope of presidential powers, as Trump’s attorneys say he has absolute immunity from federal prosecution for any official acts. Retired Supreme Court Associate Justice Stephen Breyer joins Andrea Mitchel to discuss his time on the Court, Trump’s historic case and his new book “Reading the Constitution: Why I chose Pragmatism, Not Textualism.”
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@Mr.HewJorgan 10 днів тому
A nation divided against itself cannot stand.
@Dpixtion 9 днів тому
And the Democrats are the one that started to divide and is spreading it ever since their butt hurt after 2016 loss to Trump.
@ramiraromero22 9 днів тому
Yes agree that is why we have Supreme Court justices to do its work.
@mberryfr 8 днів тому
Did you notice it was not as divided let’s say… 5 years ago?
@FoxLies-FoolsBuy 10 днів тому
They claim textualism while it furthers their opinion, but make excuses when it’s not… that’s partisanship. That’s opportunism… and it doesn’t belong in the Judicial system.
@LizFromDecencyUnited 10 днів тому
Exactly! Textualism? Seriously??? What happened to the first 2/3rds of the Second Amendment??? Or was that just a bunch of 'text' they decided to ignore when they ruled that every freaking man, woman and dog should allowed to own a gun?? Even though it's patently clear that is NOT what the 2nd Amendment was saying at all! (sorry, i'm ranting, LoL! This man should STILL be on the Court!)
@jnagarya519 10 днів тому
In the word of the Founders, rule of law is the "bulwark" against chaos, and its enforcement the "bulwark" against tyranny.
@user-ll9qk2el4d 10 днів тому
It is not the rule of law, but the enforcement of it that is a weapon against chaos. Laws are meaningless and ignored without real consequences.
@laryjohnson5736 10 днів тому
Just look at the big blue cities to see how true that is.
@wtfisthishandlebullshit 10 днів тому
@@laryjohnson5736 Don't pretend you know what goes on outside of your trailer park.
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
No, the rule of the law is the weapon. Enforcement is the USE of that weapon. This isn't a hard metaphor to understand.
@laryjohnson5736 10 днів тому
@@wtfisthishandlebullshit I don't have to lie little woke child.
@laryjohnson5736 10 днів тому
@@robinmattheussen2395 But what happened to hunter's bag of coke?
@Robert-ex2qp 9 днів тому
I like how he is on the edge of his seat when he talks. Glad he retired and is now able to express freely his approach to debating the law. Wish RBG retired to do the same.
@susanavilez9302 9 днів тому
Hundres of violated broken and pending treaties. Who will make things right for natives. who?
@user-gz9ty9md4v 10 днів тому
Worst decision in history!!! 2nd only to overturning Roe
@Rachel.1111 10 днів тому
So you like killing babies?
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
While I think Justice Breyer made the right decision to step aside from the SCOTUS when he did, I think he really will be missed as well. I always find myself agreeing with his views whenever I hear him speaking on several subjects. It's clear that he focused much of his career arguing about abstract concept not for the sake of the intellectual exercise, but to make sure that the law of the land ends up serving citizens of the US. His pragmatic approach is, in my opinion, very laudable, and he is great at breaking down concepts in a way that everyone can understand.
@camelshit446 10 днів тому
Give a president absolute immunity, and you won't have a president but a dictator.
@warpedjaffas1 10 днів тому
@@stevehansen7895 BS.
@brucehunt3361 10 днів тому
I agree we should proscute Biden
@wtfisthishandlebullshit 10 днів тому
@@brucehunt3361"proscute" ? 😂
@reason6835 10 днів тому
It wouldn’t mean that the president could dictate the law and get rid of Congress and the courts. But it’s still a pretty absurd argument.
@brucehunt3361 10 днів тому
@@reason6835 or use the legal system to attack political opponents....like what Hillary did in 2016 or what Joe is doing now.
@shinespine9 10 днів тому
MSNBC STOP HAWKING YOUR APP. TOO LOUD TOO OFTEN TOO MUCH STOP
@FuKuntt 10 днів тому
Impeach Thomas.
@hockeyrd99 10 днів тому
Why, because he may vote against something you want?
@afry6400 9 днів тому
@@hockeyrd99 Nooo because he clearly has been taking very large gifts and dealing favors, not to mention broke an oath not to overturn president. He got on the bench in part based on that oath. Were you not paying attention?
@FuKuntt 9 днів тому
@@hockeyrd99 no because he's corrupt.
@yapdog 10 днів тому
It's insane that the fate of our entire democracy is in the hands of a few right wing judges.
@RichardQuaid 10 днів тому
Bought and paid for liars at that!
@scabcrawler632 10 днів тому
Bot
@RichardQuaid 10 днів тому
@@scabcrawler632 NOT!
@maryhalverson5713 10 днів тому
Both right and left are corrupt to the core. None of the Supreme Snorts are what they appear to be. Never have been.
@iainherridge6253 10 днів тому
@@scabcrawler632even tho you announced it, we knew already!
@ChristineKane-on8bf 10 днів тому
Pragmatic thought is Human!
@albirtarsha5370 10 днів тому
Pragmatism is American.
@ChristineKane-on8bf 10 днів тому
@@albirtarsha5370 It IS easier here.
@tismeagen684 10 днів тому
Is the Supreme Court trusted to make the correct decision?
@rude1527 10 днів тому
More than someone who makes decisions off their feelings like you. Ya they're the right ones.
@reason6835 10 днів тому
Your trust isn’t required. Their decisions stand in law regardless.
@DuaneHallinSD 10 днів тому
@@reason6835 That sounds more like russia than the United States.
@reason6835 10 днів тому
@@DuaneHallinSD: Where does it say the public has to trust them? And what does that even mean? That everyone has to agree with their decisions? What percent of the population has to agree with them in order for there to be “trust?” And what happens if there isn’t any trust? Do their decisions become voided?
@iainherridge6253 10 днів тому
@@reason6835this SCOTUS was plucked from the Salem witch trials!
@DavidJ222 10 днів тому
Trump: "I'm entitled to immunity for all of my many crimes!! " 😂 The only thing Trump is entitled to is the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, and the right to one phone call, probably to Putin....if he's listening. 😂
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
But that's not what he's saying. I didn't get it.
@jarrodl719 10 днів тому
What crimes exactly? Please point those out
@donnaclarke8595 9 днів тому
Trump said government immunity not murder idiots.
@bryanb3352 9 днів тому
You crazies have been talking about these fantasy "crimes" for a decade now.
@baribach8701 9 днів тому
The Supreme Court needs to prioritize this case
@DavidJ222 10 днів тому
According to Trump, President Biden has total immunity. I love it!! 😂
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
Are people here really really this dumb? Trump hasn't claimed that at all. I'm a Democrat and the level of obsession and misinformation around him is impressive.
@buddypage11 10 днів тому
Be careful what you ask for, said the genie to the greedy fool...
@davidrhinehart7764 10 днів тому
Obama had better hope he does. Ordering the assassination of two US citizens who had never been accused of a crime is wrong.
@deniseb4426 10 днів тому
@@buddypage11 It went right above your head...
@jenntip 10 днів тому
He does… unless it’s an impeachable offense. Then it goes through the House and Senate and if found guilty he would be charged with said crimes.
@berthabridges3483 10 днів тому
The former Justice argued for women's reproductive rights and against the death penalty. He empathized with everyday people, and that's why I'm happy 😊 he's speaking out. May God bless you sir! Good job! ⚡️
@darrinatorrr 8 днів тому
Citizens united is one of the worst decision
@nghiemhoang3592 9 днів тому
For the case of Clinton vs JONES SCOTUS decided on May 27, 1997, Breyer argued that president immunity would apply only if the President could show that a civil lawsuit would somehow interfere with the president's constitutionally assigned duties. Clinton lost when he was the president!
@valicmarsh6097 9 днів тому
This is an excellent interview- thank you, NBC. Right now, it is helpful to hear some other opinions from those we're hearing on the present SCOTUS & some support for the rule of law even if we disagree with it! Isn't this what Democracy is all about?!?
@josephmurphy6836 9 днів тому
Judge s like Thomas who are taking gifts 🎁 for discussion against the rule of law is sad😢
@ramiraromero22 9 днів тому
He said in his book :”that the justices should pay attention to the consequences of their decisions instead of focusing on text or originalism”.they are paid to do it and no matter what the consequences alway do what law says .
@GmaMom 10 днів тому
Brilliant!
@benjaminlucassmith 10 днів тому
Love hearing from this guy. Thanks
@1life857 10 днів тому
VERY MOVING, THANK YOU SIR!!!
@runmarkrunheinrich 10 днів тому
Up until the SCOTUS joins the side of chaos - then where are we?
@peterpeirce3928 10 днів тому
This Supreme Court's power comes entirely from our willingness to abide by their decisions. Most people may not be lawyers, but they aren't stupid. "We the People" decided we didn't want a king. A Supreme court that thinks the president has the powers of a king will find itself judged harshly by the people.
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
No one is arguing he has the power of a king, you have been propagandized.
@peterpeirce3928 10 днів тому
@@swimminginthoughts Immunity is the power of a king.
@hockeyrd99 10 днів тому
Sorry your news source has done this to you. It seems you believe that they are saying a president has blanket immunity.. so that even if he killed someone he would have immunity. No one is saying that is what he means except your news sources.
@DemoCatMan 9 днів тому
@@swimminginthoughts You are swimming in your toilet of right wing lies again.
@bradjones5107 9 днів тому
You sound TRIGGERED! CLAM DOWN! But what ever you do, do not go and see what the other side is saying!!!! They're just liers trying to get on President Trump's good side because all the liberal polls are predicting a President Trump win so they're positioning themselves. Go Trump!😂
@jefferyholmes4954 9 днів тому
I really like Justice Bryer
@Mr.H-zu1jc 8 днів тому
Does anyone think Gore would have lied us into the war in Iraq?
@berthabridges3483 10 днів тому
What a wonderful discussion and what an honor to hear him share his experiences with us and his love for our country and extraordinary belief in the rule of law. When the former associate Justice served on the bench, he was considered as a pragmatist. He decided his opinions with a focus on practical solutions, not on an idealogy only the Almighty God could deliver on. He was close to the people he served and cooperated with both political parties. We miss him. 🕊
@chrisarcher1146 10 днів тому
There’s always a point in which the limits of your ideals are outpaced by the threats you face in reality and you have to choose whether to uphold your ideals and have them snuffed out of existence or to personally betray them in order to survive and have those ideals survive with you.
@bengray423 8 днів тому
Precedents is not law! Law should be considered first!
@buddymckimmey3545 10 днів тому
Yet to incompetent to stand trial 😂
@madpatriot4608 9 днів тому
The king and his agents are above the law 😢
@srah2205 9 днів тому
Dear Andrea, i want to bring a topic into your consideration. The absolutely gruesome Project 2025. Please inform the american people about this aweful idea from the conservatives/ repubs. Thank you very much
@cynthiamarie2107 9 днів тому
I never thought the 2000 decision was legitimate. It was purely political, and that was confirmed by Sandra day O'Conner stating that she did not want AL Gore to win.
@brucehunt3361 10 днів тому
I noticed almost all of MSNBC's stories are about Trump yet nothing about Biden.
@tripzincluded8087 10 днів тому
hahaha 'nothing to see there' hahaha -we already know enough, we live with their deceit-.
@hockeyrd99 10 днів тому
It's called TDS.
@brucehunt3361 10 днів тому
@@hockeyrd99 definitely
@CraftyGrandmaDem 8 днів тому
There are a lot more stories about Trump and I wish there weren't. MSNBC and all the other channels should be talking about what President Biden got done in his first term (and there's a lot). They could also talk about all his plans for his second term. He is helping the regular American people. We already know Trump will give tax cuts to the rich and then cut Social Security/Medicare for everyone else. Oh Yeah Trump will also turn the U.S. into a dictatorship. Vote Biden/Blue save our democracy. Save reproductive healthcare/IVF/Birth Control. Save Social Security/Medicare. Tax the ultra rich their fair share.
@user-gq2lx6kv5p 9 днів тому
Rule of law is a weapon against chaos, yes, but evil can be highly ordered. Lawful evil is by far the worst kind of evil to me. Law is a tool, nothing more.
@madboyreadynow28 10 днів тому
We are free Americans. We don’t like or want a court taking our rights away.
@olveraolvera3226 8 днів тому
@olveraolvera3226 0 seconds ago I've never understood why a person going to jail is barred from voting. What happens when an inmate is released due to wrongful imprisonment. Still can't vote. The prisoner is let out of prison but not free. There is the rest of your life reporting to a parole officer. Get rid of parole. If the prisoner is not ready to be released to the public, keep em in jail.
@sandradavis8695 9 днів тому
Headline: You mean like the chaos or country has become?
@johnkelsch221 10 днів тому
Minority rule needs to end. It’s time to get rid of the Electoral College.
@reason6835 10 днів тому
Not without a constitutional amendment.
@reason6835 10 днів тому
@@Matt-1147: Absolutely! 👍 I fully support the Wyoming rule.
@icejohnb 10 днів тому
We sure are working on it.
@josephjones825 10 днів тому
Sure, Kelsch. We can have Demokrap Party mob rule instead. In fact, that's pretty much what we have now.
@eddiegesch6299 10 днів тому
The electoral college is what keeps the election fair I get you Marxists don't want fair elections because your masters can't win in fair elections.
@meeklynobody3230 9 днів тому
Rule of law creates its own chaos one that is easier to control
@berthabridges3483 10 днів тому
"Far be it from thee to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from thee! Shall not the Judge of all the world do, right?" ~ Genesis 18:25 (RSV) "The Rock, his work is perfect; for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and right is he." ⚖️ ~ Deuteronomy 42:4 (RSV) "The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the 👀 eyes." ~ A Psalm of David, Psalm 19:8 (RSV)
@m.schetr7398 10 днів тому
So Biden should be very worried. 🤔
@mandyharewood886 8 днів тому
Both the Bible and your Constitution are starting points, not ending points and need continual re-interpretation for the times.
@Dodgerblue7381-ey3ql 9 днів тому
Read the words. You cant put your own beliefs in. This is what is wrong with the Supreme Court. They should interpret the words not their individual beliefs or politics.
@rentslave 9 днів тому
Nothing But Claptrap.
@patdexter9188 10 днів тому
The whole thing should be thrown out! Its past 7 yrs! Its all a political hit job!
@desertedkoala 9 днів тому
I guess this rule of law doesn't apply to protesters
@marianagabel8361 9 днів тому
Thank you for your service Justice Breyer.
@danaernst922 9 днів тому
The hanging chad was all about the Gore/Bush scandal
@abynor8687 10 днів тому
Elect blue, reform the corrupt court .....
@maryhalverson5713 10 днів тому
Voting blue is not the answer. The duopoly is a self-serving disaster.
@hockeyrd99 10 днів тому
The ONLY reason the court is corrupt is because the leftist partisan judges won't do their job and properly interpret the Constitution. You don't get your way, and you cry that they interpreted to Constitution instead of siding with your feelings.
@DemoCatMan 9 днів тому
@@maryhalverson5713 Voting Rethuglicon is Fascism and Authoritarianism, Voting Blue = Better for US.
@buddypage11 10 днів тому
Truth and Justice are far more important. In fact, the ancient Egyptians attributed chaos to their absence.
@tripzincluded8087 10 днів тому
truth, needs respect first. Justice comes thereafter. for Life is chaos from a mental perspective. our personalized lives are totally based on lies but presented as narratives and our personal right. hahahaha "personal rights?" wahahaha
@jeffkardosjr.3825 9 днів тому
Show trial
@johnnylafayette 10 днів тому
Kmfdm wrote a song called (anarchy)! The best description of it at that! (Chaos created government)! Fact
@johnsanchez6263 9 днів тому
Lawfare
@daviswall3319 10 днів тому
Very wise man
@rentslave 9 днів тому
Breyer should have been an ice cream salesman(as was Jim Cramer). He missed his calling.
@user-pt6oy7kf7d 10 днів тому
Beyer caught in a dismissal
@franvarga709 10 днів тому
George Washington? Doesn't he mean Abraham Lincoln? Jeeze...
@RANDALLC.TUCKER 10 днів тому
I don't cause chaos. 😂 Space Force Officer or my Admin watches me.
@dennisisaac-sz8hw 10 днів тому
they trying too save trump at the last minute
@Christopher_Bachm 10 днів тому
2001 💔 Dead 2008 Dead and Make 😮
@loisk6186 10 днів тому
Not just Dobbs. What about Bruin? Reversing a CENTURY or more of law in NY State that was never challenged as being inconsistent with the 2nd Amendment in all that time. Disgraceful!
@kennethpereyda5707 9 днів тому
because NY state law was unconstitutional
@neilpdx78 10 днів тому
Can we get rid of the pitch guy selling the app at the end of EVERY msnbc vid? FFS
@HawkThis 10 днів тому
For the Country and for Himself.... Trump is only for himself
@robinlware 10 днів тому
Explain how!!!
@iainherridge6253 10 днів тому
@@robinlwarewhen you're unable to identify the grifter, you're the marc!
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
@@robinlwareMy fellow Democrats here can't. They don't have any real arguments.
@Vmaxfodder 10 днів тому
TRUMP 2024 ❤ WE THE PEOPLE !
@Rachel.1111 10 днів тому
Please explain?
@vklnew9824 9 днів тому
Breyer, an early life section
@tripzincluded8087 10 днів тому
well, any world based on rules is certainly against us being born in diversity. hahaha
@LauraPruneda-ju8qo 9 днів тому
🤦🏻♀️
@X2LR8 10 днів тому
Rule of law is being used as an instrument of chaos. That's colloquially referred to as 'Lawfare'.
@rude1527 10 днів тому
Yes we call them Democrats.
@DuaneHallinSD 10 днів тому
@@rude1527 derp
@rude1527 10 днів тому
@@DuaneHallinSD pew pew runescape Noob.
@user-sp7rr5yc7j 8 днів тому
Trump getting mobed in nyc they love him cheering usa 4 more years havent seen anything like this since the beatles came to nyc turn to fox its live its pretty amazing the enthusiasm and love for trump it brings a tear to my eye
@CJamesTRY-jr4cy 9 днів тому
Gore a G man. Nothin against bush fam.
@kozad86 10 днів тому
The justice would be a great professor.
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
He actually was a law professor at Harvard for many years.
@kenprice57 7 днів тому
You should be focusing on the Criminal Biden famiy😢
@theodorearaujo971 9 днів тому
Funny that Breyer would argue for the principal of the rule of law, something that does not exist in our courts any longer because of the rational used by Breyer to adjudicate cases.
@franvarga709 10 днів тому
This was a disappointing interview. Andrea Mitchell is asking direct questions, and Justice Breyer is rambling on about abstract concepts.
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
Dude, this is a former SCOTUS justice, thinking about abstract legal concepts is all he has done for the past decades. Of course that's how he's used to thinking in speaking. Personally, I find Breyer to be one of the justices who is LEAST focused on these abstract concepts of them all.
@franvarga709 9 днів тому
@@robinmattheussen2395 Fail enough.
@kennethquintini658 10 днів тому
President Biden can add more justices to the scotus to equalize the partisanship and remember to vote Biden/Harris for American democracy and freedom in November 🇺🇲🇺🇲
@maryhalverson5713 10 днів тому
Biden and Harris don't stand a chance without rigging.
@wtfisthishandlebullshit 10 днів тому
@@maryhalverson5713 They won in 2020.
@iainherridge6253 10 днів тому
@@maryhalverson5713no decent structure will STAND without RIGGING!
@josephjones825 10 днів тому
@@wtfisthishandlebullshitNo, they didn't.
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
As a Democrat I think there should be 63 justices, 60 of them must be Democrats and three can be Republicans but the Republicans must be vetted for 40 years until they are allowed to serve a 3 year term.
@user-hj7ix3dx7m 10 днів тому
Best interview I have seen in a long time!
@bradjones5107 9 днів тому
I've seen better. Remember when President Trump told that Libtarded journalist to get herself together and ask a question? Now that was a great interview!😂
@nivekstar1 10 днів тому
If it's a weapon against the chaos then act immediately instead of talking about it quit talking about the law quit talking about the rules quit talking about the regulations of America and use and enforce those laws to end the nightmare Donald J Trump sent us true American into for the last eight years for his benefit.. action other than talking is needed it long since time to stop the taking! Do the action enough talk!
@hockeyrd99 10 днів тому
Sorry your news source has done this to you.
@nivekstar1 10 днів тому
Actions speak louder than words you truly don't understand meaning of my message or does the concept of democracy, diversity, equalism, women's rights, gender identification freedom, freedom of creativity, expressionism, freedom of speech, freedom of different, morals, empathy, acceptance, tolerance, freedom from slavery, multi spiritual beliefs and multi cultural ways have no meaning to you? Donald J. Trump is a genocidal threat to our existence!
@innerlocus 10 днів тому
Here's an idea, let's get AI to pick the best people to fill governance jobs, and we the people can live happily ever after.
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
That's probably the single worst idea I've heard in the last 10 years.
@innerlocus 10 днів тому
@@robinmattheussen2395 Too late, I plugged it in 2 minutes ago.
@petercook6457 10 днів тому
Im sure Mr Breyer would be on board to hold Obama and Clinton to the same standards.
@acmelka 9 днів тому
Get her a glass of water, it is distracting the lip smacking
@johnkellet9245 10 днів тому
Breyer was a fool then and a bigger fool now but MSNBC is perfect platform for him 😅
@operator9858 9 днів тому
rule of law? in america? even as a joke thats not funny anymore.
@davidrhinehart7764 10 днів тому
Goodbye women's sports. You had a fairly good run.
@FuKuntt 10 днів тому
What is an insurrectionist?
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
Happy Earth Day! When Biden said "Last year was Earth Day's hottest day on record!", I believe him even though it wasn't!
@whitmanwhitman4066 10 днів тому
Forget all this trump stuff I live in Oxford Al, there are really three cities all within 10 miles of each other total population of 55,000. The difference between my city and yours is no one steals from stores, in fact, we have a Murphy's gas station that is open 24 hours a day only maned 16, and coke machines are sitting out in the open, stacks of bottled water just lying there in the open and no one steals any of it but your city people would steal the stuff in broad daylight. So keep your Woke city I can walk down mine without being Assaulted.
@stephenhenion8304 9 днів тому
I can see it now... Ignorant answers from.. Brilliant Minds????
@user-nw7sk2bq4b 10 днів тому
Only when the rule of law is ENFORCED!!
@cliffhelterbran3536 9 днів тому
You can first look in the mirror MSNBC to why the public has lost trust .
@mooty765 10 днів тому
😂😂😂😂😂that wasn't the tune Democrats was singing in 2020/21😂😂😂😂😂make up your minds already you hate the law you love the law which on e is it ?????😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bipolar politics for real lol
@RichardQuaid 10 днів тому
Donnie can do the chaos insurance commercials after this!
@maryhalverson5713 10 днів тому
Trump could rake in plenty as a stand up comedian. He's already shown he has what it takes.
@swimminginthoughts 10 днів тому
Oh you're so edgy when you call him Donnie! It's cute!
@Brada86_ 9 днів тому
We see the 2 sided justice system. Hillary and Joe walked.
@brendatony9358 9 днів тому
You need to stop pounding on a strong man Trump can make it happen
@deplorablechump8758 9 днів тому
MSNBC is talking about the rule of law? 😂
@richardperry1439 10 днів тому
So why dont that apply to the boarder
@kevinsix666 9 днів тому
Where's the boarder staying? What kind of lumber are they using there? What are the surf and snowpack conditions for boarding?
@fuzzfacelogic789 5 днів тому
@@kevinsix666 Easy to pick the Trumpettes, they always have a clumsy grasp on literacy.
@oscarwarren469 10 днів тому
The number game😂
@archieclement2977 10 днів тому
One juror, you clowns. That's how many jurors it takes to cause a mistrial.
@wendybeeson1123 10 днів тому
The Supreme court needs to know Gods watching
@robinmattheussen2395 10 днів тому
No, there is no such thing as a god. Instead, it's better for them to know that their decisions affect ordinary citizens each and every day.
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