Unfortunately Svelte5 will not so simple :( but anyway I hope it will be good. (After Svelte1 nothing is scary)

Imagine by the time 2025 rolls up we have 7 billion svelte developers lol

Not to hate or anything, just a minor nitpick. Where did you read that said that Svelte comes form the French "svelt"? In French, it is still "svelte", with the "e". That's besides the point. I can't find any mention of it being derived from the French word, like with Vue. I can however find one Hacker News thread from Rich Harris that says it's actually derived from the ITALIAN word, "svelto". Of course, again, this is the most minor of nitpicks, because French got it from Italian in the first place, but was just curious nonetheless.

it wasnt on mine yet, but it sure is now

Ain't no one getting a shit without 20 years of experience and contributing to 50 open source projects@@dontreadmyusername6787

Don't you think that it would be better to start with plain HTML, CSS, and JavaScript instead of diving right into a framework?

@@hamza_dev I would assume they are doing plain old HTML, CSS and JavaScript to begin with. The thing about Svelte is that you're basically just writing JavaScript for the most part.

@@CottidaeSEA Yeah, hopefully progressing from prototypical to es6 to jquery to svelte with algos and ds sprinkled throughout daily

@@liftingisfun2350 jQuery seems unnecessary, do you have any particular reason why you think it should be in there?

Agreed, however Svelte 5 looks to solve some of those issues.

@@SeanBracks nice! I haven't looked at it, will check it out.

Yaaas! Svelte 5 FTW! 🎉

I had the same experience largely due to my brain still thinking in the React way which is thinking about reactivity in terms of components not data

Could you elaborate more on the snag you hit? It would be interesting to hear an experienced Dev's perspective

React is so complicated to write and my ADHD brain forgets the main thread of what I was doing if I take a sidelane walk like using useEffect and while diving deeper. Svelte could actually save my time and be easy/fun to achieve my goal.

I like them a lot too, tbh only complaint is just the them of the editor lol, but I'm just nitpicking

It was an excellent progression and I gradually became more and more aware of all the abstractions I was working with. Can't imagine how difficult that would be for someone starting with React or Nextjs from the get go...

Being a Svelte usee, when I hear people use other than react is nothing to be worried or care about. But when I hear people advocating for react without other reason that "everybody does it and facebook" is kind of annoying. We had a hard time getting rid of Java everywhere (and we are not even half way there) because of the same stockolm people.

One of the first? Gen alpha spotted lol

100%. Svelte is awesome, but there's a reason they call it SvelteScript. It is it's own unique DSL. Vue is only technically a DSL because of SFC. In reality Vue is by design just completely plain JS, HTML,CSS. Additional Vue stuff like directives are just plain html attributes, no different than any other html attributes. Vue reactivity is just JS functions. The only reason you even need compilation at all is just for SFC. If that's confusing then just start without SFC and you can use Vue in plain .html files instead using all the same vanilla patterns juniors start out with.

Vue is awesome. In fact I would say that the article prime is reading would be more true if they switched Svelte with Vue. Because Vue by design is much closer to the plain web languages than Svelte is. Svelte is much more of its own language

@@samuelmorkbednarzkepler Consider I tried no other framework before, I barely touched some HTML, CSS and javascript, I really liked how Vue put the 3 together very naturally in each file. Also the routing is very nice. I currently work with python and technically I use dash as a “framework” at my job, but it’s complete shit imo

They must start with C

Assembly is what they need to start with.

​@@mehmeh8883punch card machine code only

They need to pick up the individual diodes and transistors and assemble a computer

@@dhillaz i love how the suggestions going lower and lower lmao 🤣

If there's one thing I've learned in the frontend world over my 5 years in the industry: trust Evan You when it comes to frontend. The man is a powerhouse and a visionary of UI APIs. I have less experience with Rich Harris, but from the little I've seen of his work, he's not as experienced and battle tested as Evan You. There's a reason Vue is as successful as it is without any big tech money backing. It's beyond great.

Will svelte 5 solve those problems? Could you elaborate on what you didn't find good about it?

HAHAHA

Vue is also just Svelte with jobs

Hey. This is a good take! Vue used to be React without jobs. Everything evolves, and even if worse techologies stick, sometimes new (and better) gets some space, atenttion and jobs.

​@@erickmoya1401and the others new framework will evolve too or maybe much better. at this moment Vue and React still dominance , just take it as job for now, take opportunity in front of us first 😂 But don't worry .. If svelte will better or high demand in future I will learn/or use it. when the time is come

Well, coding is quite a solitary endeavor so ya... I just don't think it will help with the "socialization" thing too much, nor meeting too many new people! For that, instead: You'll have to get out of your comfort zone and attend meetings at social clubs--the type of clubs you would never normally consider joining, like say... culinary arts clubs, acting-theater club, book-reading-discussion clubs, learning to dance clubs, etc... And/or you'll need to attend events you normally wouldn't attend, like some museums, plays, art-exhibits, performances, etc... Just go, and try to talk to at least one or two strangers/people during the outing. You can admit you're shy if it helps, and admit it's your first time attending such an event! You can say something to the effect that you've never gone before, but you always had an interest in XYZ--even if you never really had an interest in XYZ just say you did, to break the ice--and then explain you just wanted to check out a meeting or two (or exhibit or performance, whatever the case may be) to see what it was like. Sometimes it will go badly! And you'll think, "Wow! That was a real waste of time! I shouldn't have come here!" And if it's going really (really) badly then no worries! Just shrug, take off, go back home, and sulk by binge-watching some fun TV shows or movies, and ordering/eating your favorite food as a consolation prize! (Have a back up consolation prize ready, in case the outing goes bad and you decide to leave.) But other times it will actually go great! And gradually you'll just simply get better and better at meeting new people this way, and might end up with a new set of amazing friends! And finally, there's also nothing wrong with also wanting introverted time to yourself, doing introverted stuff like computer programming. Do that as well, and don't give up on your alone time! But... at the same time: you also need some socialization time! But that will only happen if you purposely work on it, and walk out the front door sometimes on adventures, and just get out there!

Apple used it in a project , among others.

I use it at Optum in production

i think even spotify wrapped used svelte. there was a video by a channel called "joy of code" which showed all the companies that use svelte. apple music, spotify (for wrapped), new york times, ikea, etc

I think prime did a video on this exact question - his take was: Don't start by learning a framework, start by learning how to program

what is wrong with React?

@@cyberdron ​ JSX, hooks and React itself. Please tell me - Does a frontend framework (a state management tool) that requires a state management library to be any useful do it's job properly? - This is absurd. Choosing React is an equivalent of buying a hammer and nails to build a house, but then it turns out the nails were actually screws you must now file straight to use with a hammer, or buy a drill to solve the issue your first tool came with - Then it goes like this forever and ever.

@@shapelessed Isn't that the philosophy of react? It is a LIBRARY that offers the base building blocks and let you chose the tools you use with it. That for Rendering the Dom and also for state management. Not every project needs the same state solution - some prefer heavier stuff like redux, other prefer atoms, signals or other do their state management with the url. By not forcing something to be the default people can chose their solution. Same reason why rendering the dom is a seperate package. How about using the vdom of react to render mails or 3d stuff? Use another package instead

there won't be svelte jobs for years

@@hamm8934 not really my concern. If my projects make me money and I'm building them with Svelte then I technically have a svelte job lol.

its all the kegels i do

Even react is not explicit. It's js under the hood

Some tools are white magic. Some are dark wtf magic. React is the second. Svelte abstractions are well built, you have a lot under the hood, but you know the kind.

I mean u round up anyway after 35

@@andiuptown1711 you do?! Oh well... seeing that I keep rounding down to 60 for my father I can see your point. Kinda.

it is. low level leaning has also some deep stuff

Because the market for beginners is the biggest, also this is the rare prime video that is focused on beginners so I wouldnt say he is 'pumping' them out

How so

I dont see other win with solid other than being similar to react.

Well yeah, and why wouldn’t you learn go, php or node ?

Web UI isn't the only UI... Same principles apply on desktop apps. React just threw old wisdom into the trash...

@@cocoscacao6102 of course, i was only pointing what exactly does the author mean by saying "traditional"

I think your misinterpreting the message. they arn't saying "only beginners should use svelte" or "if you use svelte you're a beginner" they're saying "if you're a beginner Svelte is easier to learn than react"

If you want a job the obvious choice is React not Ng

@@nyashachiroro2531 and you'll be competing with exponentially more competition because everyone thinks this way

@@f-mr6vi barely

runes have not been released yet

I loved this

replace svelte with vue in this article and it is correct. Vue is entirely vanilla html, js, and css. No compilter magic. Can even be used without a build step.

How's it more explicit?

Copium

There are parts of Svelte that highjack JavaScript. Keywords like "export" and "let" don't operate the same way inside a ".svelte" file as they do in an ".js" or ".ts" file. The cost of it looking like plain JavaScript is it doesn't behave like JavaScript. So if you don't know how Svelte works, it's not clear what is component state until you find the variable in the template. FWIW, Svelte has acknowledged this problem, which is why they're introducing runes.

​@@pcmart4012that's not a bug that's a feature. .JSX files have to be transpiled to .JS, same as .SVELTE files.

Pretty weak sauce to criticise Svelte for stuff they are fixing in the next version ​@@pcmart4012