Intel's Newest $350 Million Machine
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День томуIn order to print the smallest structures in silicon, a massive ASML Twinscan machine is needed. Current generation technology can create line widths of 13nm, and those machines cost $150m. The new generation can go down to 8nm, and cost a massive $350m! In this video, we tour Intel's Oregon Fab where they've completed installing the world's first commercial High-NA EUV machine. It's in the calibration phase now, ready for testing.
[00:00] Twinscan NXE:5000
[01:20] NA and EUV
[03:00] Installation Logistics
[04:30] FIRING MAH LAZOR
[07:20] 10nm Line Widths
[09:20] 14A Roadmap... and Hyper-NA
[12:25] Touring The Fab
[14:15] Dr. Mark Phillips
[15:30] Tin Droplet Suppliers
[17:00] Visiting Other Fabs
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@xanokothe 24 дні тому
I am one of the software engineers that developed the software for it. I visited ASML EUV factory/cleanroom in Veldhoven a few months ago, there were EXE machines fully built and some other big modules being tested. It is amazing, you keep staring at it and each time you find something different about it. Making 10 nm features in high-volume is allien tech, it is almost half smaller than the current best high-volume process. In general, making features 50% smaller would reflect on 4x speed/performance or more logic, but because it is NA bigger only in one direction, the gain is limited to 2x. For Hyper-NA I think they are going for 4x gain.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
185 wafers/h @$20k = $3,7 mil/h. it will return its $350 Mill cost in 4 days.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
intel tera herz in Intel vault of future tech is collecting dust from 2001. while corporations are milking funny low sillicon gains for decades.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
the problem of slow progress is EXACTLY because corporations don't want to throw away these machines. it pays for itself in like a week of production of chips and they keep using them for DECADES milking the market instead of actually doing some FAST progress.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
not making any progress and using these machines for decades = printing trillions $$$ from sand. just have to slow the progress down to being as slow as possible.
@alexanderbrown6077 24 дні тому
@@rawdez_the gains are a few orders of magnitude lower then that. Keep in mind, there are thousands of process steps to make a wafer useful and millions of dollars a year are spent on keeping these overcomplicated machines running. Go work for a fab and you’ll figure out it’s not all sunshine and roses.
@ProjectPhysX 24 дні тому
Many of my university friends work at Zeiss now building these EUV optics :) And we put them to use 😋
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 23 дні тому
The most precise optics ever created, way beyond the hubble lens.....damn right you're not humble about it 😄
@htlhausi 23 дні тому
It's mirrors, not lenses :) no more lenses possible at 13,5nm.. @paulmichaelfreedman8334
@ErikS- 22 дні тому
When I applied for my graduation work (MSc, Eindhoven University of Technology), the assignment was to work on this machine. And this was still 1999... 25 years ago...
@rawdez_ 22 дні тому
lol, and Intel tera herz 1000GHz leak was in 2001, 23 years ago.
@vanCaldenborgh 21 день тому
I was working as a Master student on a EUV prototype "lamp" at the RWTH Aachen, Fraunhofer ILT and a spin-off company those days. Interesting times full of advancements, miss it. I also miss the beautiful old Aachen city and region with all the culture, clubbing, "beer-gardens", great food, and nature for mountain-biking around. Never got such a good work/life balance in any other region I worked ever after. I should have stayed.
@dude3278 19 днів тому
It feels like Intel has been on 10nm for that long as well💀
@ihsan.l9375 4 дні тому
i think you are colleague of my father, he works on ASML since ASM collaborate with phillips
@wleizero 24 дні тому
You must have felt like a kid in the best candy store in the history of this planet.
@FireStormOOO_ 24 дні тому
He does have a taste for chips if the photos are anything to go by
@Djuntas 23 дні тому
Im just surpised its already installed. Intel got the machine in mid January and they are already this far. Serious business ^^
@JarrodsTech 24 дні тому
The things humans can make is kind of wild
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
check out Intel Tera herz - 1000GHz 2001 tech. these silicon producing machines should've been thrown into garbage a long time ago. for waaaay more mindblowing tech to replace it. but they make too much money for corporations so alas not going to happen soon.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
Intel tera herz example shows that its even more wild what humans can make but just don't for some stupid reasons. like a lot of trillions dollars))
@todorkolev7565 23 дні тому
@@rawdez_ I see a lot of comments from you and they are all a bit crazy. You write like things are very simple and you know everything. Intel is NOT making Billions on an investment of Millions. Intel is barely profitable. As for the terahertz transistor - that's ONE transistor, not a whole chip. A whole chip has billions of transistors... A terahertz CPU will, due to the speed of light, have information changing at one end of the chip while it's being processed at the other end. You can pipeline for this, somewhat, but pipelining is a very limited tool. Also, what about stability and longevity? The teraherts thing you know about is a fringe experiment... And you only hear about the one time it worked, not the hundreds of times it burnt the CPU, burnt the clock, etc...
@-.369.- 20 днів тому
@@rawdez_ whats a Intel Tera herz - 1000GHz tech?
@rawdez_ 19 днів тому
@@-.369.- its 1000GHz transistors tech intel announced in 2001(apparently by mistake because nobody heard about it since 2001) that was ready for production and supposed to hit the market in 2005. and replace silicon. but didn't. because milking silicon instead is way more profits. btw "15nm" silicon tech also was announced as tested and working in 2001 but released (as 14nm) 13 years later.
@te0nani 22 дні тому
350mil is bloody cheap for a industrial machine this sophisticated.
@JH24821 20 днів тому
Absolutely. It's literally holding the future in your hands. For ASML, their partners and their suppliers this is an incredible milestone, and this machine will pay Intel back for many years to come.
@fatjohn1408 19 днів тому
I would assume ASML also charges for handover and software to run the machine with or smth? Else why only sell it for 350 mil? Why is ASML worth 300+ billion whilst they only make maybe a dozen of these machines a year?
@leosmi1 19 днів тому
M or mi*
@markissboi3583 19 днів тому
Def right cheap $350ml for such a complicated machine New tech has made things cheaper but creates a pile of throw away rubbish Make manufacturing back in your country
@Mallchad 18 днів тому
@@fatjohn1408 Company is usually quotting as having a worth related to its public/private stock market capitalization- which is very little to do with their actual assets on hand. Money generally only exchanges hands with investors to the company when stock is sold on the private market, or as IPO, or extra stock selloff
@leakyabstraction 23 дні тому
I was happy that UKposts recommended me this video. :) Like another commenter, I'm also a software engineer, but working farther away from the actual ASML machine, specifically developing a software platform for executing adjustment processes on the High NA EUV projection optics boxes. It's quite exciting to work on something that even just supports the manufacturing of these cutting edge machines. We had a tour at the Zeiss clean room, seeing both the older POBs and a new High NA EUV one, and this latter POB in itself is already gargantuan. It was an amazing experience. :)
@TechTechPotato 23 дні тому
Oh that's nice! I'd love a tour of Zeiss. (that rhymes!) I'll see if my new ASML contact can get me in.
@HighYield 22 дні тому
Ian is the champion of breaking down complex topics so even dorks like me can understand them.
@goober-ll1wx 20 днів тому
You missed some of the best bits, after vaporising the tin droplets you then need to stop the tin vapour from coating your $1M lenses...this was a very hard problem to solve!
@TechTechPotato 20 днів тому
I've heard stories, perhaps a topic for a future video!
@mefobills279 11 днів тому
@@TechTechPotatoWe probably will never know the names of the genius who figured it out.
@ghangj 24 дні тому
In my previous job, I help spec a desktop for one of these machines at a smaller scale. The machine was 2.5million and I was told go crazy with the cores. That one definitely is extremely HUGE
@isettech 19 днів тому
Now working for ASML. The equipment is very precise. Just the LASER for it is huge and has some serious IP in it's R&D.
@Hippida 23 дні тому
ASML have shipped Twinscan EXE:5000, this is great news. Thanks for keeping us in the (k)now
@monad_tcp 24 дні тому
11:10 I wish I could buy a 250nm machine from 1980s for home use.
@41chemist19 24 дні тому
Ngl I was thinking the same thing. Save up and build an experimental super low volume lab or something... Sadly, I'm sure even 1980s tech would be way out of any individual's price range.
@TechTechPotato 24 дні тому
Check out the work by Sam Zeloof. He built 1000 transistor chips in his Garage at the age of 18.
@vmiguel1988 24 дні тому
You will need about 15k in eBay parts but is possible
@davidgunther8428 24 дні тому
I bet with stamps using nano-imprint methods you could make a few tiny transistors. Connecting them together might be more difficult. 😮
@davidgunther8428 24 дні тому
I think the chemicals even 250nm machines use for their UV lasers would be difficult to manage.
@BrownieX001 24 дні тому
Amazing. Best of luck to their facilities.
@ctwolf 22 дні тому
hell yeah, this was cool as heck and super informative, thank you for this quality content.
@alihouadef5539 24 дні тому
I wonder what's the current line width in R&D? A nice plot would be cpk vs line width. or a results from a field exposure matrix.
@lespapillons7689 23 дні тому
I don't want to imagine how complex these machines are
@TechLevelUpOfficial 24 дні тому
The Sub-fabs are just like stacked chips which is pretty cool lol, great video Ian.
@felixhousecat2566 11 годин тому
that's so cool to catch a glimpse into a fab and actually see the latest asml euv fab machine.
@iznasen 22 дні тому
Great video thanks for sharing and caring but was he resonance mode 0:31?!
@AgentSmith911 День тому
Imagine the truck driver looking at his cargo sheet and seeing the cargo value when transporting these machines 😳
@ericwebster6911 24 дні тому
What did it taste like? They let you take a bite right?
@user-pf3cu4lo7u 10 днів тому
This video just blew my mind, earned my sub
@Candyapplebone 21 день тому
I’m just a typical application development software engineer, I don’t have anything to do with this stuff, but i love learning about it
@AndreaNicolasMinuto 12 днів тому
You are really great. while you describe your visits to foundries, it feels like being there...
@russellzauner 24 дні тому
Thanks for pronouncing Oregon correctly!
@ioanstef1983 8 днів тому
Thank You For Your Presentation!
@EricLikness 13 днів тому
If you get any invites to more Fabs, (don't care how new or old) go on ALL of those Fab tours. Just keep traveling and visiting. This is where the rubber meets the road, semiconductor fabrication.
@beingatliberty 19 днів тому
This EUV chip manufacturing technology is probably the peak of cumalitive human technology? If there printing 10nm lines how come people are releasing 3nm and 5nm & 7nm in marketing theory, chip structures? is that in a different orthoganol direction … ie vertical to the wafer layer itself?
@TechTechPotato 19 днів тому
When you hear people talking about process nodes like 7nm, 5nm, 3nm, that's not an actual measurement, it's just a name. Ever since we went 3D, those node names aren't actually related to anything built on silicon.
@Bobby-fj8mk 8 днів тому
@@TechTechPotato - you should have mentioned that in the video. I thought straight away - what about 3nm chips?
@TechTechPotato 8 днів тому
I did? I mentioned node names are just names, not actual dimensions. I've said it in dozens of videos.
@Bobby-fj8mk 8 днів тому
@@TechTechPotato - OK - I missed that. You are speaking to lay people not semiconductor experts.
@dquattro9634 24 дні тому
thanks for content
@markmilan57 23 дні тому
Wow you have an amazing curiosity on all of these stuffs at such a young age. I was video gaming at your age without carrying about any of these hardware stuffs.
@TechTechPotato 23 дні тому
Dude I'm almost 40.
@GabrianFilms 21 день тому
@@TechTechPotato in his context almost 40 is young. He's probably 70 or 80 now. /s
@Chriss120 23 дні тому
I'd love if you could bring us a tour of an OLED fab.
@TechTechPotato 23 дні тому
me too!
@ralanham76 21 день тому
Gamers Nexus did some cool tours
@thestrykernet 23 дні тому
Always enjoy the fab visits and I'm really hoping you'll get a chance to hit up Intel's packaging facility in New Mexico.
@user-im8bv8po2w 23 дні тому
im laughing, i thought it was the trailer for dune 3, nice video, thank you!
@sloanNYC 24 дні тому
It really is mind blowing just how small these parameters are.
@DisorderedArray 23 дні тому
If you shed an eyelash, you're spoiling an awful lot of stuff.
@PaoYong 18 днів тому
I love how in all these ASML videos there’s always someone who says they worked on something.
@CRneu 17 днів тому
we're everywhere!!
@MyrLin8 22 дні тому
Very well done. Most impressive :)
@petergerdes1094 22 дні тому
Out of curiosity, how does the licensing work for those pictures taken by CBS? Like are they just released into the public domain or did each journalist/org on the tour get some kind of license? What kind?
@BGraves 16 днів тому
He said that everyone in the tour is required to share their media with everyone else including Intel
@petergerdes1094 16 днів тому
@@BGraves Yes, I'm asking how sharing translates into licensing. I suspect they offered some kind of license to publish to those entities as well but is it unlimited, can they sublicense or did they just release it into the public domain?
@esra_erimez 24 дні тому
I know this is off topic, but any indication that Tenstorrent is going to go public?
@tringuyen7519 24 дні тому
It won’t be until 2026 at the earliest. Tenstorrent will remain private with the help of Samsung just like OpenAI will remain private with the help of Microsoft.
@sleekblackroadster 24 дні тому
Cool, great content!
@lidarman2 24 дні тому
Not sure I follow your efficiency stuff @6:20 when you start with kWatts (power) and end with milliJoules/cm^2 (fluence). Units don't match and there is that 60 kHz pulse rate in there as well.
@andytroo 21 день тому
yes, the exact per pulse wafer dose is a commercially sensitive number. the input lasers aren't kWatt continuous, they are high repetition pulse - energy per pulse isn't said either.
@camd3673 13 днів тому
3:08 “Standard normal sized people” had me 💀
@Sasasala386 6 днів тому
Amazing! I couldn't understand a single word in this video but amazing ❤
@allenshepard7992 24 дні тому
Question - what about vibration isolation? Was this machine built on its own support? Was hydraulic suspension or dampers used? Did they have to re route aby truck traffic? Are the machine getting more vibration insensitive or vibration sensitive ??
@AmrishKelkar 23 дні тому
Worked in this industry for over a decade. Safe to say that vibration is a big no no.. So almost all these machines sit on their own isolation platforms with actively controlled levelling and stabilisation systems.
@allenshepard7992 23 дні тому
@@AmrishKelkar Thanks. Just the leveling and vibration isolation could be an interesting video. with smaller features, it seems external truck and internal parts moving Vibrations becomes a larger issue.
@CRneu 17 днів тому
the entire fab is seismically isolated, as is every floor in the fab, as are the tools themselves. To tell you how sensitive the tools in the fab are to vibration, we often know in the fab about earthquakes before we hear it on the news. Quakes in Alaska and Japan will cause some lithography tools to error out. So yeah, the buildings are incredibly vibration protected and it still often isn't enough.
@allenshepard7992 17 днів тому
@@CRneu "Quakes in Alaska and Japan " cause errors. Wow. Nothing like a real world report
@Maadhawk 24 дні тому
A good size comparison would be to a train locomotive. Basically, those things are trains, just they make microchips instead of hauling goods and people.
@dr_flunks 18 днів тому
i used to work in f11, f12 and f22. i worked with D2 people in oregon. crazy that they're a month behinds asml. very smart of them to get their engineer's feet wet as clearly they got out of shape re: euv in general. decisions like that tended to bear fruit. we would literally do the same thing downstream for the high vol mfg sites training from the d2 folks as they did development.
@neelz323 19 годин тому
Nice presentation!
@liquidpodcast 20 днів тому
Impressive archivement both ASML and Intel for trying to push the boarders of modern lithography even further.
@whynot01 24 дні тому
that thumbnail caption, hahaha :D
@Tutorial4view 23 дні тому
Amazing!
@atiessen 21 день тому
Great video 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn 22 дні тому
I have some questions that I hope someone can answer for me. 1. Why does it require two passes with regular EUV? Is it because the light source is more diluted and can't do the job in one go? Or more like its a bit blurry? 2. From my memory of chemistry at university, 8nm should equate to about 40 pr 50 atoms. How on earth do you prevent or control all kinds of weirdness that result from electron tunneling? 3. Are we basically at the fundamental limit of how small we can go? If so is it just how well the architecture can be improved, and how much can AI improve it, or will it become a case of stacking layers on top of layers, potentially with microstructures that allow more efficient cooling?
@CRneu 17 днів тому
For your number one, it might be because of multi-pattering. In short, you can create structure smaller than your wavelength if you multi-pattern onto the silicon. Basically you're multi-exposing your photo resist to create structures you can't make with a single reticle/mask at that wavelength. It's rumored that pattering is how china is somehow managing to keep up with EUV despite not having current euv tools. That might not be what Ian was talking about though.
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn 17 днів тому
@@CRneu but how? It doesn't make sense.
@noob360 16 днів тому
@@Alex.The.Lionnnnn The best that I can put it is this: Using phase shift masks we are taking advantage of interference in order to etch features that are much smaller than the wavelength allowing for example the etching trench line that is just 8 nanometers wide (your line width) in the silicon. Remember in a positive photoresist such as used in EUV, its the exposed parts that get etched away. The problem is due to the Raleigh criterion you cannot etch your 8 nm wide line closer than 50 nm (your pitch) from each other if you have low-NA (0.33) EUV. Now if you etch your first set of lines, coat it again with photoresist expose another pattern this time offset just enough so that it etches right in the middle between the lines that you previously etched. You now have pitch of 25 nm. You can now pack twice the number of lines in the same space. Repeat the process you now have a pitch of 12.5 nm. In practical terms where you where previously limited to a finFET with a 50 nm wide fins, by using 3 patterns you now have 12.5 nm fins. If you have a higher NA you can have a finer pitch with having to resort to as many patterns and exposures.
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn 16 днів тому
@noob360 ahhhh ok I'm with you. Cheers.
@rahulav4009 24 дні тому
Awesome video
@york2600 24 дні тому
Flown to Seattle? I'd love to know why they couldn't fly it into PDX and just drive it the 10 miles to the fab from the airport. Seems kinda weird.
@arrdubu 24 дні тому
Or just fly into Hillsboro across the street from the fab
@CyrusTabery 24 дні тому
I have landed many times at Hillsboro. No 747 can land there. We move the scanner in a 747
@Grak70 24 дні тому
@@arrdubuHillsboro runway is 6600ft. SEATAC is 8500-11900ft. A fully loaded 747 requires about 10000ft of runway. Not possible.
@Grak70 24 дні тому
PDX might not have the support infrastructure to unload. SEA is a much larger airport with more capabilities.
@arrdubu 24 дні тому
@@CyrusTabery I've watched many 747s and other large aircraft land at Hillsboro.
@briangronski 8 днів тому
Numbers are bit inaccurate on the laser itself - there is 4 Resonators that step up the 2 smaller lasers ( baby lasers!) bringing a low power then an additional smaller amplifier to around ~150 watts all the way to an Average output power of ~30kW. The Pulse for the flattening is lower powered - but the Pulse that creates the EUV can be around 20MW per pulse! (think, we are averaging across 50 khz) but still - incredibly powerful - one of the resonators can cut through 2 inches of steel with ease - and CYMER/ASML/TRUMPF said... lets put 4 of them together! Look up TRUMPF EUV for a better understanding of the laser itself!
@TheOpticalGamer 24 дні тому
Can’t imagine the PMs on this thing
@dubsydubs5234 9 днів тому
And they made, shipped, installed and run everything with solar panels. It's amazing they can do all this with net zero.
@JoeyBlogs007 24 дні тому
Astonishing.
@johndzwon1966 15 днів тому
What happens to the vaporised tin droplets? I would assume they would cause a build-up of matter on surrounding surfaces.
@XxXDOMINIONXxX 3 дні тому
me laughing standing next to an 850million raytheon radar on a truck.
@WilliamLoveHK 16 днів тому
Great video for the most advanced chip maker technology, also like to see the comments from all of you folks 👍🏻👍🏻
@Quast 24 дні тому
3:28 You bred raptors?
@TitaAnderson 21 день тому
Recently bought some recommended stocks and now they are just penny stocks. There seems to be more negative portfolios in the last 3rd half of 2023 with markets tumbling, soaring inflation, and banks going out of business. My concern is how can the rapid interest-rate hike be of favor to a value investor, or is it better avoiding stocks for a while?
@marlisamirabal 21 день тому
Just ''buy the dip'' man. In the long term it will payoff. High interest rates usually mean lower stock prices, however investors should be cautious of the bull run, its best you connect with a well-qualified adviser to meet your growth goals and avoid blunder
@Cammimullens 21 день тому
The truth is that this is really not as difficult as many people presume it to be. It requires a certain level of diligence, no doubt, which is something ordinary investors lack, and so a financial advisor often comes in very handy. My friend just pulled in more than $84k last month alone from his investment with his advisor. That is how people are able to make such huge profits in the market
@softy-bf5eg 21 день тому
nice! once you hit a big milestone, the next comes easier.. who is your advisor please, if you don't mind me asking?
@Cammimullens 21 день тому
ANGELA LYNN SCHILLING' is her name. She is regarded as a genius in her area and works for Empower Financial Services. She’s quite known in her field, look-her up.
@softy-bf5eg 21 день тому
Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her resume.
@whyjay9959 24 дні тому
Would be amusing if the tin droplet feed worked like a shot tower.
@rickevans7941 19 днів тому
Some 25ish years ago I got to tour a DuPont fab
@nickj2508 21 день тому
@10:55 Although you probably singed an NDA, you know what other machines you saw inside the fab. I would guess even some Japanese equipment manufactures.
@Razor2048 13 днів тому
Would be interesting to see if the machine comes with an IKEA style assembly booklet.
@TechTechPotato 12 днів тому
Funnily enough, I did ask if it did
@KatySei 24 дні тому
What is the connection between ASML 8nm lines and the process for CPUs declared by Intel/tsm?
@TechTechPotato 24 дні тому
Current metal pitch (from imec) in N5 is 28nm, using 6 metal tracks for FinFET. N2 is expected to be 21nm with 6 tracks, while A10 in 2028 is expected to be 16nm with 5 tracks. Though this is the densest IO transistors, not the leading edge super fast transistors.
@tringuyen7519 24 дні тому
@@TechTechPotatoIt’s amazing that ASML can achieve 16nm metal pitch in A10. How will the A10 process mitigate electromigration?
@ShadeNinja2990 24 дні тому
@@tringuyen7519 agreed I think this would be an issue, how do they fix?
@katarn848 23 дні тому
Think i read : Intel just adds a text these chips will fail after 50.000 hours i think. That like 3.4ish years of run time.
@nexusyang4832 24 дні тому
18:10 - Backside Power Delivery.
@siliconvalleyengineer5875 2 дні тому
you gave a informative discription of wafer fabbing
@user-hs5eh8tg9u 11 днів тому
I worked in that building, in the basement. That's where the pumps are located.
@Accuaro 15 днів тому
The fact that the first thing that came to mind from that blurred background was High NA says something ig
@kellypoissant762 22 дні тому
Worked on semiconductor equipment in fabs for 20 year. Loved it
@YABBAHEY1 24 дні тому
Mostly ancient Minoan to me, but if it results in powerful graphics that can run on AAA batteries then money well spent.
@taystew 20 днів тому
the burka was so ahead of its time
@kotztotz3530 23 дні тому
Of course Dr. Ian has big chip energy. You can see it in broad day light.
@TechTechPotato 23 дні тому
Broad EUV light :)
@kotztotz3530 22 дні тому
@@TechTechPotato That's what I meant :P
@anahitaaalami9064 24 дні тому
Amazing beast.
@magnomliman8114 21 день тому
can we assume that Arrow Lake is using this new machine ?
@ShadeNinja2990 24 дні тому
It will more than pay for itself
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
in 4 days. with 185 wafers/h @$20k/wafer price $350 mil machine pays for itself in 4 days. literally.
@jamescole3152 22 дні тому
I have read that Intel's newest machine is the prototype of what they are going to get. To test out this tech. So the production machine is still coming.
@user-df9rw6mz2x 13 днів тому
love it when a tech has a chair ,
@johndoh5182 21 день тому
I think it's safe to say that the next High-NA machine isn't going to China, unless you're Elon Musk and consider Taiwan as part of China. I think I had already read that ASML is going to work closely with Intel to ensure this gets up and running properly so we can assume there's other money involved. And Intel REALLY needs this because they mucked up EUV. And for those that don't understand this, Intel is making "Intel 7" with DUV lithography. They're making Intel 4 with EUV, but as of yet Intel 4 isn't making anything for desktop. I don't know the answer why. They had a LOT of issues getting to Intel 7 using DUV but that should have been expected since that "7" node is not what DUV lithography was made for. EUV lithography was made for that type of transistor density which is what TSMC does and why TSMC has pulled away from other companies. So, I expect that Intel wants to basically jump past EUV and get to High-NA EUV and put out Intel 3 and 20A ASAP to get back on the level of TSMC. Or, if this video is correct then have ASML help Intel with their EUV lithography so they can put out Intel 3 within the next couple years and I still think they want to get to High-NA for 20A regardless of what they say or their roadmap shows. Intel has had to do a LOT of edits to their roadmaps.
@autohmae 20 днів тому
I wonder if Intel was also stuck on EUV, because TSMC had developed a technique of working with it and patented it and Intel didn't want to be stuck with using someone else's patented technology for this...?
@mefobills279 11 днів тому
Taiwan is part of China. That was settled when Nixon went there to triangulate against the Soviets. Engineers are supposed to be data driven.
@RoyaltyInTraining. 23 дні тому
I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of exposures on modern CPUs are still done with DUV
@TechTechPotato 23 дні тому
They still are. A modern 17 layer chip uses EUV for only the first 2-4 or perhaps 6.
@CRneu 17 днів тому
you don't immediately use new wavelengths to create your latest chips. New nodes are only used in specific layers, and there can be dozens of layers in a single chip. So today's cutting edge chips are only using EUV for maybe 2-3 layers. The rest are "old" nodes.
@lekoro1 24 дні тому
so at what point does it stop being ultraviolet and start being xrays?
@TechTechPotato 24 дні тому
EUV was actually called 'soft xray' back in the 80s. The designation is largely arbitrary.
@Your_Paramour 23 дні тому
According to a NASA xray science page i found, xrays are 0.03 - 3nm.
@Tgspartnership 23 дні тому
my god these tools are extreme
@MikeG-js1jt 19 днів тому
Its a miracle that something doesn't break at least once a day on that machine!
@JohnDuthie 22 дні тому
amazing!
@ColdPotato 23 дні тому
BCE? What about Big Diode Energy (BDE)?
@fmj_556 22 дні тому
I think fusion reactors are more expensive?
@j340_official 24 дні тому
Full steam ahead on extreme ultraviolet lithography… What nodes will high na be for? 14A and beyond?
@TechTechPotato 24 дні тому
I literally put a roadmap in the video.
@j340_official 23 дні тому
@@TechTechPotatoI commented before you got to it and I didn’t edit my comment. Thanks for the video. You seem excited. Almost like Intel is turning the ship around.
@quakerninja 11 днів тому
I drive by this on my way to work every day but I never knew what was inside
@keri_xd 23 дні тому
is this the EXE:5000 or the EXE:5200? should be the 5000 right?
@joaoportela9731 23 дні тому
5000 indeed.
@PCBMedicAMD 24 дні тому
id kill to be able to tour a silicon fab & packaging plant and hope to leave one some day 🤤 and be able to get a souvenir wafer.. aka a "bad" 12" wafer (hopefully a CPU Intel/AMD or something) sample for show 🤤
@TechTechPotato 24 дні тому
I still don't own an Intel or AMD wafer... unfortunately there's not a gift shop
@Mrtweet81 22 дні тому
What was the old $350 Million machine?
@overtoke 24 дні тому
3D printer tech needs to be ramped up to the level of these machines. so much so, that these machines are something that can be manufactured via 3D printing.
@__aceofspades 24 дні тому
It's really exciting to see Intel not only being the first to adopt High-NA EUV, but to have ordered the majority of machines ASML is making. Pat Gelsinger really seems like the right person to lead Intel into the future, as he understands that a leading edge fab needs to lead, as then their own chips end up great and competition will want to pay them for fab capacity, so Intel wins all around.
@rawdez_ 24 дні тому
not having to pay to other manufacturers for production of your chips $20k/wafer skyrockets your profit margins. when nv has to pay $200 for a 4090 chip (yes, its exactly how much it costs to make a 4090 $2000 GPU chip, probably even less now) to TSMC or Samsung, Intel just rakes in all the profits. and with 185 wafers/h @$20k/wafer price $350 mil machine pays for itself in 4 days. literally.
@rosomak8244 23 дні тому
It is a huge bet. However I don't see Intel succeeding as a fab service provider. It is not like they didn't try that before. The PC market is less then booming. On top of that the x86 architecture is being now seriously at the brink of being phased out. What do they have that they want to fill those production lines with? And in esp. what can they offer that actually requires the latest node to be competitive in production?
@rawdez_ 23 дні тому
@@rosomak8244 you can produce any chips with these machines. its not locked somehow to only x86 chips production. the main Intel fab client is Intel and they are safe. PC market is less then booming due to GPUs having 0 progress and being overpriced because corporations raised prices for miners and 'forgot' (didn't want to) to drop them back after mining was gone. basically nv sells 4 times less GPUs but for 4 times money more each so they are fine. just like everyone else. they sell way less then before but make way more profits than ever. Intel actually didn't try that before because they've chose to milk 14nm ++++++ instead as way more profitable approach of making business at the time. but eventually got kicked a bit by Ryzen, so they were forced to change because the market has changed. also they got into GPU business just because they've seen insane nv/amd margins. and they know those margins are insane because they run fabs themselves and know exactly how (really not that) much it cost to make those chips.
@rawdez_ 23 дні тому
@@rosomak8244 you can produce any chips with these machines. its not locked somehow to only x86 chips production. the main Intel fab client is Intel and they are safe.
@rawdez_ 23 дні тому
@@rosomak8244 PC market is less then booming due to GPUs having 0 progress and being overpriced because corporations raised prices for miners and 'forgot' (didn't want to) to drop them back after mining was gone. basically nv sells 4 times less GPUs but for 4 times money more each so they are fine. just like everyone else. they sell way less then before but make way more profits than ever.
@rikmasasso 24 дні тому
The money numbers are definitely headed in the direction of pentagon sized money numbers
@theworddoner 23 дні тому
It’s great that they’re reusing the older nodes. That being said, is the economics there for those nodes? (10nm and 14nm) AMD always out competed Intel in terms of margins thanks to TSMC’s lower costs. I won’t say no to competition but wasn’t Intel’s older nodes really inefficient?
@TechTechPotato 22 дні тому
Intel's old equipment is rolled into a new Intel 12 node in partnership with UMC. There's an Intel 16 as well (22FFL renamed), then the next customer node is Intel 3.
@markissboi3583 19 днів тому
discussing outside today about all the new Tech & these wafer machines how alien made they seem Great video Tech potato cheers from Ozstraya but all people working on these new tech machines its just an upgrade 10 years L8tr finally and more to come again
@alpineflauge909 14 днів тому
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