The Chris Hedges Report: America's dangerous leaders with Andrew Bacevich

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Retired Army Colonel Andrew Bacevich argues America's leaders are woefully out of touch with reality, and unable to adapt to a changing world. Unless they are wrenched from power, the twilight of the American empire will be one filled with catastrophe after catastrophe.
Andrew Bacevich is a retired army colonel and Emeritus Professor of History and International Relations at Boston University. He is also the cofounder and president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.
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@christinepeach8213
@christinepeach8213 Рік тому
How about the 1st thing being that the Ukraine war was avoidable...What about the Minsk Agreement that was guaranteed by France and Germany?
@Push-Pull
@Push-Pull Рік тому
Porshenko , the former Ukrainian pro nato leader , has admitted back in June this year that the Minsk agreement was just a cover for Ukraine to build up and train their military. They never stuck to the agreement.
@bellakrinkle9381
@bellakrinkle9381 Рік тому
I doubt that most USA Citizens realize that the Ukraine/Russa tragedy is another Proxy War, created by the US Administration.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict Рік тому
@@Push-Pull wasn’t porshenko overthrown?
@joni8090
@joni8090 Рік тому
What about the deafening silence of the majority of the UN ? 🇷🇺💲🇨🇳
@Yikum24
@Yikum24 Рік тому
I loved the topic being discussed and the book sounds great. Im glad it came out before Ukraine because his take is a bit whack espevially when considering his #2 statement that other nations INCLUDING the US to provide the wherewithal (weapons) to a civil war that the CIA instigated beginning in 2014, but honestly even decades before. Yall should look into operation gladio and how it ended up in Ukraine after WWII. Anyways, seeing as he had Vietnam perspective onthe brain ao much of the interview, i am surprised he doesnt see the parallel's in the sense of the CIA genocidal meddling but also because je just got done talking about being the indespenable nation concept! How about we stop dispensing weapons to war zones we create! He is a smart old guy cause he is right. This world police shit was INGRAINED IN US. Look at it! A more honest version may not be more possible than thia gentleman from that generation.
@mac9954
@mac9954 Рік тому
We need to talk about war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan by the U S.
@andrewwiener6798
@andrewwiener6798 Рік тому
I am under the impression Russia cited the same UN Articles that NATO, EUCOM, and EU cited in justifying their actions to wrest Kosovo from Serbia in 1999.
@joni8090
@joni8090 Рік тому
When a perpetrator is not held accountable for monstrous crimes past how can they ever moderate or correct their behavior , especially when their co conspirators are brainwashed into righteous duplicity ? Sadly , for Democracy America is a clear and present danger to humanity . 🇷🇺💲🇨🇳
@pmullins1495
@pmullins1495 Рік тому
..." by the Political Military Industry Congressional Rulers ( PMICR), NOT the peon citizen, the dazed Sheeple.
@sandraelrod5108
@sandraelrod5108 Рік тому
Plus civil rights in America.
@matildamarmaduke1096
@matildamarmaduke1096 Рік тому
@@sandraelrod5108 What about it elaborate please.
@filmserve
@filmserve Рік тому
The greatest challenge humanity has always faced is to create political and economic systems that are not taken over by the corrupt and incompetent.
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales Рік тому
Really? I thought it was bedbugs.
@stephenlock7236
@stephenlock7236 10 місяців тому
A very accurate description of the rogue US regime indeed.
@peelot101
@peelot101 Рік тому
This is an outstanding channel...any sanity and reasoned thought is like pure gold these days.
@fpiedade9451
@fpiedade9451 Рік тому
Dirty Gold
@stevefelthouse7851
@stevefelthouse7851 Рік тому
END THE FED !!!!!!!! No more Bankers
@joeows6537
@joeows6537 Рік тому
Banksters
@tyebright
@tyebright Рік тому
Yes, could have been avoided. 😢 when is the last time you heard an arms maker say "NEGOTIATE?"
@midwestbenefitshealthlife950
@midwestbenefitshealthlife950 Рік тому
😂
@berylanjous6932
@berylanjous6932 Рік тому
Absolutely. That hit the nail on the head!
@anthonyforfare7223
@anthonyforfare7223 Рік тому
👍😜😁😂🤪🤣🤔😎🔫🐍
@valmontsantos
@valmontsantos Рік тому
Who could avoid war? US/NATO certainly. But after eight years of bombing, 14,000 deaths and the imminent final massacre of the Donbas people, to say that "Putin could avoid war" is beyond my grasp of reality. This seemed to me a concession by the author to the common sense formatted by the mainstream media.
@FizzVizard
@FizzVizard Рік тому
I don't think they wanted to avoid it, they've been provoking Russia for decades
@cheri238
@cheri238 7 місяців тому
An opportunity always to learn more. Thank you, Chris Hedges for this opportunity and educational experience for all.❤
@v.g.4817
@v.g.4817 Рік тому
War in Ukraine was desirable, prepared, nurtured for years on many levels: ideologically, militarily, financially, politically. One doesn't need much knowledge, intelligence and observation to see that through years, especially after 2014, and with little research to see its roots in 1990s. Ignorance is not an excuse.
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales Рік тому
@@joedoks320 We're doomed to repeat history, regardless. For it is the well-educated in power who KNOW their history, who manipulate the strings.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict Рік тому
Cute you think Americans are capable of critical thought
@yaoliang1580
@yaoliang1580 Рік тому
Unfortunately about 70 percent r still in the dark n only rely on the rumour mongering mainstream media for their info
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales Рік тому
@@yaoliang1580 Welcome to Idiocracy, but without the happy ending like in the movie by the same name..
@JosephKulik2016
@JosephKulik2016 Рік тому
​@@qjtvaddict Education critic John Taylor Gatto argued that the purpose of the American Public School System is to "dumb down" American children, and not to truly educate them. Gatto believed that the function of Public School Education is to produce Robots for the Corporate Business World, workers who are smart enough to do their jobs, but not smart enough to ask "inconvenient" questions about their jobs. Gatto saw including Critical Thinking into the Public School Curriculum as a threat to the Capitalist social status quo. Today, common American Citizens capable of Critical Thinking are a National Security Threat and it can possibly get them thrown into prison with no charges under The Patriot Act.
@zoktoberfest
@zoktoberfest Рік тому
I was following along with the reasonable and rational perspectives of your esteemed guest, Chris, until he said this at the end of the conversation: 28:16 first of all there's no question that this was an act of criminal aggression 28:22 engineered by Vladimir Putin there's no excusing that ... I couldn't disagree more vociferously. NATO, the MIC, US weapons merchants and manufactures, engineered this war. The US signed treaties and pacts assuring Russia that NATO would not push its presence to Russia's front door. We had previously funded, trained, and armed the Mujahideen in response to Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. We provided the most modern weaponry, intelligence, and logistical support. When the Soviets finally pulled out, we abandoned our convenient proxy army leaving behind arsenals of advanced US weaponry. The neocons took all the credit for bringing down the USSR -- even though, the Mujahideen engaged in the actual combat and suffered the casualties. Now we're perpetrating the same PNAC neocon, NWO hegemony, but in Ukraine; by violating existing treaties, to the contrary, and moving NATO closer to Russian territory. Instead of empowering proto- Al-Qaeda, we're empowering neo Nazis. I thought this was obvious to the geopolitically enlightened. Why didn't you call him on it Chris?
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux Рік тому
Reports I don't know if verified that 'ISIS affiliates are now fighting with the Ukraine forces.
@mikedonnarumma5337
@mikedonnarumma5337 Рік тому
THANK YOU
@allancarter4242
@allancarter4242 Рік тому
Very well said J Z. Thanks for commenting.
@robertburnett6348
@robertburnett6348 Рік тому
Yes. He is so historically correct. Then off the rails on Ukraine. Very strange.
@jimperdue6166
@jimperdue6166 Рік тому
Do you know how many neo-nazis are in Ukraine? How much influence they have? What % of the population they make up? Because I don't, and it would be interesting to know.
@stillraven9415
@stillraven9415 Рік тому
They are NOT our elites! We are their peeons.
@AbeldeBetancourt
@AbeldeBetancourt Рік тому
Did you mean pawns or actually pee-ons? (...as in those we are about to "pee on")
@stillraven9415
@stillraven9415 Рік тому
@@AbeldeBetancourt pawns is appropriate but no I definitely meant pee-ons
@stillraven9415
@stillraven9415 Рік тому
@@AbeldeBetancourt a little trickle down economics
@elviajove8289
@elviajove8289 Рік тому
They are the looters of our tax money
@docwhammo
@docwhammo Рік тому
speak for yourself buddy
@chesterrawers346
@chesterrawers346 Рік тому
Dude lost me when he started talking about the issue of Ukraine, as if it started in February.
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
If you analyze the Russia Ukraine ''war'' based on facts about these countries you find this can't be a war
@9UaYXxB
@9UaYXxB Рік тому
@ Chester..... You're glossing over much of what Bachevich said about that situation. Listen again, if you want to be intellectually honest here. And 'philo betto', your remark is just unhinged.
@mikehayne538
@mikehayne538 Рік тому
Yeah. This guy is messed up. Hedges is not totally correct about some issues, but he does have a lot of good material.
@ryucartel351
@ryucartel351 Рік тому
Ukraine started waging war on it's own Russian speaking population in 2014
@hollyw9566
@hollyw9566 Рік тому
NO. It started in 2014, with Ukrainians breaking every agreement in the Minsk accord and murdering ethnic Russian in a total genocidal way in the Donbas. FFS!
@1danacom
@1danacom Рік тому
The moment you said the words .” Climate change” I was out of there
@davidtoorchen6513
@davidtoorchen6513 Рік тому
Britain stood ALONE against the Nazis? You forgot the USSR Andrew
@user-bg6lk7zv9f
@user-bg6lk7zv9f Рік тому
for david toorchen: You're right Sir. Besides, at that time (when the Second World War took place), the British Empire still existed.
@hollyw9566
@hollyw9566 Рік тому
Yes. That was quite the horrendous oversight, was it not?
@DavidGBlair
@DavidGBlair Рік тому
No. For over a year, May 1940 to June 22, 1941, the USSR was a de facto ally of Germany, at best neutral. Look up the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty. The USSR joined the war only when Germany broke the treaty and invaded the USSR.
@daverdal1
@daverdal1 Рік тому
Drain the SWAMP !!
@50_Pence
@50_Pence Рік тому
... And keep the slime
@ciara5867
@ciara5867 Рік тому
Brilliant discussion. Thank you Mr. Hedges + Real news network for broadcasting this interview with Mr. Bacevich. It's Important work you do. ♥️🇮🇪🍀🇵🇸👏
@joeybenoit6269
@joeybenoit6269 Рік тому
All we are saying is give Peace a chance!
@fluffymcdeath
@fluffymcdeath Рік тому
The people of the US aren't particularly allied to Britain and old Europe, but the new empire elite club is still rooted in the old empires. The countries are now more populations (taxable cattle) than nations and The leadership are more CEOs than countrymen. If the will of the people were paramount then Donbas would have been Russia decades ago but the international system prioritizes the right of the rulers to their territory and ownership of whatever cattle lives within their fences.
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux Рік тому
The Ukraine war is in part a war of competition by the US against Europe. Bombing of Nordstream gas pipes being a case in point.
@Brianbeesandbikes
@Brianbeesandbikes Рік тому
u$a's 1% have routinely treated EU as another profit and privatize center. "To be an enemy of America is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal." Henry Kissinger
@govindagovindaji4662
@govindagovindaji4662 Рік тому
It's not like "everybody" in Donbass wanted to be Russian again. And there were original territorial lines of the 'country' Ukraine, stemming back hundreds of years. I doubt most want to be Russian now after witnessing this cruelty perpetrated on them by Putin & Russian soldiers!
@paulheydarian1281
@paulheydarian1281 Рік тому
@@govindagovindaji4662 Those borders are less than 80 years old. They're a Soviet creation. Historically, the port city of Odessa for example, is much more Russian than it is Ukranian. The same is true for Crimea. Hopefully, Putin will cut off Ukraine's access to the Black sea and make it a landlocked rump-state, much like Belorussia.
@maegorbalerion
@maegorbalerion Рік тому
@@paulheydarian1281 odessa was founded by russian empress Catherine the great. The first population in that regione descends from the 3 million russian serfs that she transferred to Southern ukraine, before that there were turks and the slavs were sold as slaves from Crimea. South Eastern ukrainians are russian people just like siberians are russian people.
@christinepeach8213
@christinepeach8213 Рік тому
Please Stop referring to the rulers as 'Elites' because the rulers are not better than the rest of us! The rulers have proven to be inhuman and that is NOT elite!!!
@dkblack1289
@dkblack1289 Рік тому
Hi Chritine, The dictionary defines Elites as "Aristocrats" . Don't you think its a fitting term for a bunch that deserves to be overthrown again? Perhaps guillotined?
@AbeldeBetancourt
@AbeldeBetancourt Рік тому
I love you for your comment. The thing is they are as obtuse, morally bankrupt, corrupt, boorish and ignorant as the worse of us.
@annoloki
@annoloki Рік тому
"Elite" comes from "elect", from Latin... it literally means chosen, selected or elected... not "better"
@kateoneal4215
@kateoneal4215 Рік тому
​@@annoloki yes, but that's not how the word is actually used today.
@Rubylove48
@Rubylove48 Рік тому
Ruling class is a better term imo.
@Musa-hj8vf
@Musa-hj8vf Рік тому
"We'll do another show on that." Your diplomacy saved the guest an avalanche of embarrassment.Youre one of the best.
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
you have fallen victim to propaganda
@Musa-hj8vf
@Musa-hj8vf Рік тому
@@philobetto5106 You are astute in your inaccuracy. Furthermore, from your comment, I can tell that you are a sufferer of cognitive dissonance.
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
@@Musa-hj8vf Yeah I smoked some cognitive I couldn't afford dissonance 'so Yo! wat up wit dat...
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
@@Musa-hj8vf Yo! one, other thing, I ain't down wit dim racial slurs dog, sum of my close friends are stute
@mikehayne538
@mikehayne538 Рік тому
He could get a job washing dishes.
@Zemlchka357
@Zemlchka357 Рік тому
Thanks you, gentlemen for talking about America truthfully. God bless America Godly leadership 🙏🏻 🇺🇲🙌
@michaeldamato9466
@michaeldamato9466 Рік тому
For some reason we put greedy idiots in charge of our lives..... and then we complain.
@nnenne4
@nnenne4 Рік тому
I can't wait to hear his perspective
@AbeldeBetancourt
@AbeldeBetancourt Рік тому
I can't hear to wait his perspective.
@desmondfaria4095
@desmondfaria4095 Рік тому
Always great to listen to intelligent conversation, when Chris Hedges is involved, a great truth teller.
@theoaerts1951
@theoaerts1951 Рік тому
Chris I have great admiration for your skills in dissecting US society and especially its leaders as well as your warnings you send through social media. Thank you for all this as well as for your writings .
@andrewgumra852
@andrewgumra852 Рік тому
DONT forget Peace is NOT PROFiTABLE
@antoniescargo4158
@antoniescargo4158 Рік тому
2014 regime change in Kiev.
@user-bg6lk7zv9f
@user-bg6lk7zv9f Рік тому
for Antonie Scargo: "F**k the EU!" 😉
@asbeautifulasasunset
@asbeautifulasasunset Рік тому
What Mr. Bacevich is describing seems like the mythological Pygmalion: one looks around and detests the other until the other can be made to become a mirror reflection of oneself (an impossibility). What is so frustrating is that many ordinary people have defined the same problems that these two great figures do but we, also, don't know what we can do about it! It is so hard to see your own country and people circling down the drain because Captain Ahab (the head of ship/military leaders) is so obsessed with killing the whale when the whale is not the problem. It is Captain Ahab (not the whale) who will take down the ship. Captain Ahab is the problem but he cannot or will not see that he is the problem!!!
@geggerson6943
@geggerson6943 Рік тому
Amen and to shut down the truth hurt enough people so the pain is worst than the vile wicked truth of death to anyone who pushes against the grain of sinister evil. Its like the murderer who caught the bus with blood on their hands looking out the back window at the dead bodies on the ground saying now they are one of us! They will quickly assimilate and fall in line behind evil that people have accepted as necessary. How twisted are the minds savoring power and calling a steal a victory. God has His people in his 👋 🙏 🙌 ❤️Never diminish God because the enemy tries to force you to doubt! They fear faith in God as a threat because He is and what they hope to be they are not and never will be all knowing rulers with absolute power!
@dkblack1289
@dkblack1289 Рік тому
Wow! Your analogy is as beautiful as a sunset...I love it.
@annoloki
@annoloki Рік тому
I call it "national narcissism"... that inability to connect the dots between ones own behaviour, and negative outcomes, leaving oneself powerless to avoid causing or contribute to the causing of those negative outcomes. With the person narcissist, this inability for self analysis is due to emotional trauma from childhood punishments from authority figures (parents, teachers etc). With national narcissism, it is our information system itself that it unable to give the required information to allow self analysis... we can't connect the dots to our own behaviour, because we are lied to about what our own behaviour actually is, or our behaviour is completely covered up. Of course Russia's invasion was unprovoked and unreasonable, because we aren't told what we have been doing to cause them to have reason to need to respond to our behaviour. That means that as nations, we are narcissistic.
@chrisasterion5050
@chrisasterion5050 Рік тому
the U.S simply wants to return the manufacturing base they outsourced to China due to the greed of their corporate CEO's & share holders, in which they payed regressed wages & enjoyed laxed environmental laws, in this event the total destruction of Europe will occur, as is happening as I type, yet the effect this AGENDA will have is isolating the WEST, causing AFRICA to join BRICS & creating a bi-polar world the 5 EYES nations, vs the rest of the world & the rest of the world will win...so stack up on gold, silver, seed & prepare to pivot, bcz the U.S ELITES got this one wrong, sure the U.S has alot of weapons (BLACK PROJECTS) up it's sleave but it's losing the PUBLIC OPINION WAR & this is why its rigging the elections with such ferocity inorder to keep the DEMOCRATS (backed by the DEEPSTATE in power) FETTERMAN will be the next PRESIDENT in 2024, they want puppets & he is the best they can get, not as gd as BIDEN, but he'll do...they wont get to a nuclear war, no ELITE wants that, they have money to spend & lives to live, but they will continue to fight China & Russia irrespective, bcz this makes them rich...all wars are a racket...so they will prolong it, just as they did in Afghanistan & Iraq....but eventually bcz AFRICA will be the lynchpin that joins CHINA/RUSSIA, these 2 will win, bcz AFRICA has always been the catalyst.... ALWAYS...!!! AMERICA has some serious military toys that they will deploy when the time is right, DARPA is way ahead in this area & this is the only thing CHINA/RUSSIA fear, they've been pumping trillions into their research & development for way longer than CHINA & hence CHINA'S hesitancy in taking over TAIWAN...& RUSSIA'S hesitancy in UKRAINE...FACT..
@0150Tricia
@0150Tricia Рік тому
Great analogy - thanks!
@leroyeuvrard5243
@leroyeuvrard5243 Рік тому
Our leaders aren't fools. They know exactly what they are doing. They are making MONEY!
@stevekoehn1675
@stevekoehn1675 Рік тому
An Excellent Conversation. I like that Bacevich
@matthewnelson4298
@matthewnelson4298 Рік тому
What democracy?
@charleskesner1302
@charleskesner1302 Рік тому
Thanks for this excellent discussion.
@tmaxyb
@tmaxyb Рік тому
NATO have been pushing Russia since before 2008. The US and EU are responsible for what happened 2014 and despite Russia trying to come to terms with the situation through the Minsk agreements Ukraine refused to implement those solutions. A very complicated history has led to a majority in certain areas of Ukraine to think of themselves as Russian. Implementation of the accords would have left Ukraine whole with regional government. After 8 years of fighting in which 15000 people in those areas to be killed, infrastructure destroyed and people terrorised by people who were in actuality true Nazis Russia intervened as the Ukraine army built up and shelling increased from their side of the de- confliction zone. And yes, it's very much something that could have been avoided and I tend to put the lion's share of blame on the west, NATO in particular that needs such a conflict for its continued existence.
@davidsalcido383
@davidsalcido383 Рік тому
“Like I’ve said before ‘FU AmeriKKKa!!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦠🔪🦠🔪🦠🔪💩🧻💩🧻💩
@RCaugh
@RCaugh Рік тому
Imagine STILL believing the US has honorable intentions after literally raining down terror across the globe pretending it’s humanitarian. The millions of dead and displaced in its wake of PIRACY is truly heartbreaking. Ukraine is just another failed state on a very long list.
@jazziejim
@jazziejim Рік тому
Very well put, about as concise as possible. And Ukraine had racist Nazis before Hitler and they are worse. Allen Dulles and the CIA have supported them against Russia so the proxy war continues, but with our current delusional leaders it’s a real chance we’ll all die.
@wendwllhickey6426
@wendwllhickey6426 11 місяців тому
We want the whole world to be just like the us and can't stand people having a different view that us so start a war to force them to agree with us.
@flow963
@flow963 3 місяці тому
Always a pleasure to hear from mr. Bacevich
@danielhutchinson6604
@danielhutchinson6604 Рік тому
The involvement of Nelson Rockefeller in construction of the WTC along with his participation in Vietnam affairs since 1960, indicate that influences that a major Capitalist purchaser of Politicians can direct? After supervising a overview of the CIA becoming involved in US Domestic affairs, and the results of the Valarie Plame affair, we begin to notice a trend? The CIA appears to be the muscle that the Military Industrial Complex uses and they prepare the scene for the arrival of the actual industrial profits that the US Military Machine needs.
@jimperdue6166
@jimperdue6166 Рік тому
Would you like to expand on your thoughts? Sounds interesting.
@danielhutchinson6604
@danielhutchinson6604 Рік тому
@@jimperdue6166 John Perkins does a very good job of describing CIA efforts to deliver profits that the IMF and World Bank enjoy associating with. He does a better job than I can, but the Rockefeller Bros involvement in Foreign Affairs since being involved in The Eisenhower Administration, indicates they enjoy the ability to associate with complicit Foreign Leaders that accommodate US demands for low cost products. From the financial support that started Hank Kissinger as their Lackey when he assembled the "Prospect for America" that was as abused by Congressmen who appeared to desire to make South Vietnam our Colony, to the appointment of Paul Bremmer as the First Arch Duke of Baghdad, they were involved in Foreign affairs. The Operation Condor that delivered Military Leaders to Georgia for training in the art of oppressing Nations for profits, to hosting the Shah of Iran when He was in town, or getting him into the Mayo Clinic for Cancer treatments, they were involved in providing accommodations that suited Foreign Dignitaries. Even after losing the entire Enchelada in Nam the Chase Manhattan bank branch went to having 5 offices across Vietnam today, The nice folks at the Rockefeller Family Bank who enable a lot of Foreign Trade to become a profit for the Family even after the War was a failure. Like I say Perkins Books explain the effects better than I can over a few cups of Coffee..... The authorized Rockefeller Family Biography does a pretty good job of describing the methods and effects of the Family traditions the US State Department now embrace. The US Government at one time the Business of Standard Oil Company and their practices were condemned by the Government that discouraged Monopoly as a form of exploitation of Consumers, today the concepts that made old JD Rockefeller into the first Billionaire are employed by the US State department. Good luck going down that Rabbit Hole...... Like Alice, it can open your eyes.....
@stutzbearcat5624
@stutzbearcat5624 Рік тому
yes this
@PKVeteran
@PKVeteran 7 місяців тому
Leap of logic too far. Hard to follow
@danielhutchinson6604
@danielhutchinson6604 7 місяців тому
@@PKVeteran If you are unaware of the Rockefeller Bros manipulation of Government since WW2, I guess you might be confused? The History of the Family and their investments is revealing.
@EarthColonyNet
@EarthColonyNet Рік тому
My problem with what Bacevich calls the historical narrative wired into our historical perspective is the use of biblical/protestant/Weberian phrases like 'calling', 'providence', and 'exceptionalism' to mask a raw historical agenda of imperialistic materialism for a ruling elite institution. It's not the 'Holy Roman Empire, mimesis itself of ancient Rome, America is yet another mimesis of ancient Roman fascism.
@gmw3083
@gmw3083 Рік тому
What's left of the American led west will smash itself to pieces as fast as the SCO & BRICS can build and fortify themselves.
@batgirlp5561
@batgirlp5561 Рік тому
Yes, there is truly the regurgitation of American self-delusion at work there.
@madeleineswords704
@madeleineswords704 Рік тому
Yes you are spot on point here.
@andrewhaas5626
@andrewhaas5626 Рік тому
Bingo!!!!
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales Рік тому
"Exceptionalism" my ass! It all boils down to the Christianized ideology called "Manifest Destiny" that justified the slaughter of the native population and stealing all their land in the name of their sadist god.
@user-qk3sc8rq9r
@user-qk3sc8rq9r 8 місяців тому
Great discussion.
@markszawlowski867
@markszawlowski867 Рік тому
Not blaming you, you understand, but I've a lot of work to do, and I can't stop listening intently to your channel. Brilliant stuff.
@anthonyjwhelan
@anthonyjwhelan Рік тому
Great job as always Chris
@mikecorbeil
@mikecorbeil Рік тому
Regarding the war in Ukraine and Russia having attacked, it is surprising that there is no mention in this video that the US ensured overthrow of the elected govt there in 2014 and permitted people who historically worked as Nazi allies to get some of the subsequent govt's positions, plus the US/Washington, in addition to other western govts and media not being bothered by the fact that a considerable number of the 'new' govt's military consists of Neo-nazis, plenty of whom quickly began killing innocent ethnic Russians in Ukraine, such as in the Donbas region. That reportedly is a main reason for Russia's invasion, all while Russia also did not want the 'new' Ukrainian govt to join NATO, which of course has no business in trying to get such countries to join, given that they have nothing to do with the North Atlantic and NATO is supposed to be the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. There was/is absolutely no mention of any of this in this video and, imo, there definitely should be. Otherwise, it is like contributing to covering up this critical information. EDIT : This is added just a few minutes later after having listened to the following video from _The Jimmy Dore Show_, " __*_How Ukraine - Not Russia - Floods Social Media With War Propaganda_* ", TJDS, 11 Nov 2022, ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hJSLd2tkeXyJ0WQ.html. It strikes me as information that everyone needs to learn from.
@dariasacharovskaja99
@dariasacharovskaja99 Рік тому
Yes, true. Moreover, the NATO instructors long before the so called criminal Russian invasion, have been training the Ukrainian military in its NATO camps how to kill the Russian people in the urban war. The Ukraine maybe fooled the West in terms of possibility of the Minsk agreements, but never meant to follow it, because their real intention was to wipe out all the civilians of the Donbass and Lugansk area and attack Russia. The hatred toward Russia has been instilled (last 30 years) in the Ukrainian youth through rewritten historic textbooks, through the media, where the Nazism was justified, and the Soviet victories over the Nazi Germany were condemned. That brought the prohibition of the Russian language, Russian literature, the dismantle of the Russian historic figures, the Soviet Heroes of Ww2, and renaming streets of Kiev and other Ukrainian cities to honor the notorious Ukrainian Nationalists like Bandera and Shushkevigch, whose compatriots and followers tortured, burned alive, murdered millions of the Soviet Jews, Poles, Soviet civilians, communists, etc. in WW2. Moreover, after the coup orchestrated by the US, people like Victoria Nuland, that brought the vicious Ukrainian Nationalist/Neo Nazis to power, and the three regions like Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk, also city of Mariupol and Kherson where many Russian ethnic people lived, decided to have autonomy from Kiev's new puppet regime, the last two got started to be assaulted, bombed, shelled, raped, mutilated by the Ukrainian military since 2014, killing 16 K civilians, many children, etc. People have lived and still live without electricity water and lack of food since that time. Putin many times tried to talk to the Collective West, but to no result. It became known to the Russian government that Ukraine was planning a final assault on Donbass and Lugansk with 200 K army, that were gathered at the border, with the plan of a complete annihilation of the region and then attack on Russia in early March of 2022. Putin decided that millions of civilians of Donbass/Lugansk area had suffered enough. The Russian so called criminal invasion was an act of protecting the lives of the innocent. By the way, during the military operation, the Russian military tried to save the civilians and attacked only the military objects, while the Ukrainian military had shot at the Eastern Ukrainians who tried to leave cities, they shot at the basements where people where hiding, they created torturing chamber mastered after the Gestapo style in Mariiupole, they deliberately used the civilians quarters to put tanks, guns in schools, hospitals and in people homes, because they didn't value these people lives, knowing that they were pro Russian. Finally, Kiev which has good capabilities to create films, created propaganda films, where they staged alleged Russian atrocities, by hiring actors to perform. It is all proven, people who acted in these films came to confess.
@dariasacharovskaja99
@dariasacharovskaja99 Рік тому
And it is truth about 30 military biolabs in Ukraine that worked on prohibited microorganisms and used mosquitos to spread infections. Interesting that in the Western media, the fact that is well known in Ukraine and Russia that Zelensky is a well known drug addict has been absent so far. The recent book by the American woman-journalist said that Zelensky when tried to negotiate peace agreement, was threatened by the Ukrainian Nationalists/Neo Nazis to be hung on the tree and his family murdered. This rumor was circulated for sometime in Ukraine and Russia, more likely it is true, because people who knows Zelensky very well, and people whom one can trust, saying that he is a big time coward, and a selfish man.
@jimperdue6166
@jimperdue6166 Рік тому
Can you identify those who historically worked as Nazi allies? Aren't the Nazis from WW II dead?
@feynmanschwingere_mc2270
@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Рік тому
LOVED everything you mentioned EXCEPT FOR Jimmy Dore. Dude is a psuedo-intellectual GRIFTER and just because he was absolutely spot on about Ukraine propagandizing the MSM, that doesn't make him an authority on...well...anything. I used to be a Jimmy Dore fan a LONG time ago before i caught on to his act. Avoid him, he's a sell-out attempting to canibalize a right wing audience desperate for confirmation bias from a supposed "lefty." He was an idiot from Day 1, but the day he really lost me was when he argued that Trump winning in 2016 would have zero bearing on the make up of the supreme court. Lol. How wrong can you be? Ouch.
@DRpokeme
@DRpokeme Рік тому
👍👍
@oscarrobert4725
@oscarrobert4725 Рік тому
Thank you Chris for continuin the fight spiritually
@kipwonder2233
@kipwonder2233 Рік тому
When the algorithm sends me ANYTHING related to Chris Hedges, I immediately drop what I'm doing and watch👍
@AbeldeBetancourt
@AbeldeBetancourt Рік тому
The algorithm is king. Long live the sacred algorithm!
@annoloki
@annoloki Рік тому
Aye, the algorithm is yours to make of what you wish... you ever see someone else open youtube, see what the algorithm feeds them, and struggle to not lose some respect for them? hahaha "OMG, you must watch some real crap on here!"
@matthewdolan5831
@matthewdolan5831 Рік тому
Certainly describes the UK 'leaders' too...
@moriyokiri3229
@moriyokiri3229 Рік тому
I very much appreciate both Chris and The Real News Network for these videos and the work they do.
@GregoryJWalters
@GregoryJWalters 4 місяці тому
I salute you Colonel Andrew Bacavich! You are a Good Man who understands the tragedy of Loss of, and importance of, " 12:27 The Common Good." Thank you Chris and Colonel.
@zulqadarrrashid6201
@zulqadarrrashid6201 Рік тому
Thank you for an Excellent presentation 👍 Stay blessed Fan from Pakistan 🇵🇰 Former Pakistan Air Force 🇵🇰 Veteran
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 Рік тому
Colonel Bacevich wishing you a Happy Veterans day. Thank you for your service.
@murphy8449
@murphy8449 Рік тому
Our glorious national mission has been, is, and will continue to be the assurence of prosperity and power of the Western military-industrial-governmental complex.
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
Pat Buchanan on Suicide of a Superpower
@johnburns8660
@johnburns8660 Рік тому
Now we can include the Elections Industry in that complex.
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales Рік тому
@@philobetto5106 Buchanan's a right-wing, christo-fascist devil himself.
@happyd8526
@happyd8526 Рік тому
Beautifully stated. We all know that Eisenhower warned us against this and yet we all our leaders to persist, continuing to re-elect the same.
@happyd8526
@happyd8526 Рік тому
ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gGNproqfqY6Vzqc.html
@rekocastren923
@rekocastren923 Місяць тому
Clear analysis on the state of mind of the elite.
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Рік тому
Thank you both
@RTYRWARRIORS
@RTYRWARRIORS Рік тому
Please do another show on that!
@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof
@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof Рік тому
Keep up the good work Chris thank you for an excellent documentary
@govindagovindaji4662
@govindagovindaji4662 Рік тому
You mean interview~? He does do some good documentaries, though, too.
@chrissavill2932
@chrissavill2932 Рік тому
Thank you Chris
@barriewright2857
@barriewright2857 Рік тому
Brilliant 👏🏿.
@josephfigueira813
@josephfigueira813 Рік тому
Chris Hedges you're awesome ,with the great selection of people who you have on your program 🤔🤔👏👏👏👏
@philobetto5106
@philobetto5106 Рік тому
Pat Buchanan on Suicide of a Superpower
@dc7370
@dc7370 Рік тому
Absolutely. The huge influx of weapons into an area where there is an abundance of nuclear reactors is dangerous. Done for greed.
@carmenonea3800
@carmenonea3800 Рік тому
This is an IV of sanity and truth electrolites! Thank you gentelmen!
@UrbaNSpiel
@UrbaNSpiel Рік тому
Wish this channel was more popular
@thomascasby182
@thomascasby182 Рік тому
Great interview. Empires rise and fall, sway back and forth across the earth but the all have one thing in common, at some point they over reach,usually because of illusions of greatness and invincibility. America is no different. Let's hope the best of the US leadership comes to the fore in time to prevent a wholesale slide to the abyss, for all our sakes, before its too late. Sadly from my observations this is unlikely, the rot in US society especially at the top is too deep.
@2CHACHOUU
@2CHACHOUU Рік тому
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM,lol the first time I heard that Garbage,I said to myself since they KNEW Bush was to DUMB to pronounce that word they left it for OBOZO.
@williamhiles7404
@williamhiles7404 8 місяців тому
You can thank the Freemasons. And I don't care if you don't understand what I am saying. Look it up, research for yourself what I mean. You can't stop it, but you can be prepared, sort of. LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
@DonGonzalito
@DonGonzalito Рік тому
Exactly what "evidence of the climate change" is "becoming impossible to ignore"?
@andreschavolla8220
@andreschavolla8220 Рік тому
Thinking that failures should not be taken seriously will land you in the spot that you find yourself in... today
@CJAuditsAuditingNI
@CJAuditsAuditingNI Рік тому
Love your work pal ❤️from Northern Ireland
@sportsfanivosevic9885
@sportsfanivosevic9885 Рік тому
If people united to protest the power of unelected entities and the corporatocracy of their 'democracy', hundreds of billions in military spending would be freed to improve the living standards for most American's. The goal of those in power is to keep you distracted with domestic issues and local politics and through the obscene propaganda budget they keep you disinformed, ignorant and blinded with unjustified patriotism. Do not be distracted, be more cynical and focus strongly on the establishment if you want a better America and a more peaceful world.
@jonathanbailey1597
@jonathanbailey1597 Рік тому
This was an excellent exchange.
@robhead22
@robhead22 Рік тому
Thank you!
@abdulgafoordangor2312
@abdulgafoordangor2312 Рік тому
Great news. You being followed in south Africa
@alanhehe4508
@alanhehe4508 Рік тому
UKposts says this only started 5 mins ago, but I still had to slide back to get to the start. Strange. At any rate, I have immense respect for Chris Hedges. He is an uncompromising political and social analyst. I never worry he's gonna pitch softballs. I think any honest assessment of the current political reality would be pessimistic, but Hedges will be a deep and unflinching perspective.
@ron2823
@ron2823 Рік тому
Unless you clicked on a "live" broadcast, the "5 mins ago" refers to when the broadcast ended (not started).
@douglascarlson9006
@douglascarlson9006 Рік тому
You're respect for Hedges would not be so immense if you paid closer attention to his actions and words since the MAR '20 lockdowns ... I used to love this guy, but not anymore ... he abandoned the working class on all things COVID and refuses to stand with us against the mandates and passports ... He'll talk your leg off about Assange, Snowden and Ukraine, but only to divert your attention away from the larger issues of tyranny that are now knocking on our doors ... Ya see, our friend St. Chris does not want to offend TPTB ... there are plenty of RED and GRAY voice types out there who will not be intimidated, but Chris Hedges is not one of them ...
@alanhehe4508
@alanhehe4508 Рік тому
@@douglascarlson9006 hmm, makes me sad to hear. It seems COVID caused many people to abandon principles of freedom.. in reaction to fear..I guess. I've been learning about Modern Monetary Theory, or MMT, recently, and if accurate (I haven't heard it debunked, very credentialed economists talk about it etc) I think it may be the biggest lie, politically speaking, the public has been sold. If interested, Steve Grumbine over at Real Progressives does a great job of explaining it. Also Professor Stephanie Kelton just released a new book titled "The Deficit Myth." According to MMT, Federal taxes don't fund Federal spending. State taxes fund State spending because States are USERS of the currency, whereas the Federal government is the CREATOR. The reason for taxes is because they're what cause the need for, and thus give value to, our unbacked, fiat currency we know as dollars. You have to pay taxes and you have to pay them in dollars. So no "faith in the dollar " is required, as many people think or fear. Federal taxes are actually deleted, according to MMT. The Federal government can not go broke in it's own currency, and it can fund anything it WANTS to fund..unless the owners of Congress don't want it funded. This is how they can raise the "defense " budget by billions every year without any need to raise taxes or anything else. The "we'll have to raise taxes " is just a fear tactic they use to not fund stuff they don't want to fund. The only restrictions on money creation are the actual resources and the spare capacity within the economy. In other words, if there's work to be done (like fixing our infrastructure), resources and labor to do that work, then money creation/injection isn't inflationary. MMT isn't really a theory, it's just a description of how any fiat currency functions, is given value, etc. The theoretical part has to do with possible applications of MMT, like a Federal job guarantee. The only real criticism of MMT doesn't have to do with its explanation but its possible applications. Wow, that was a lot, but since you took time to try to further inform me, I figured you deserved the same opportunity. Peace.
@jimperdue6166
@jimperdue6166 Рік тому
@@douglascarlson9006 Have you read "The Premonition"? It gives an account of people working behind the scenes regarding the pandemic. The 6 week "stay at home order" back in March 2020 essentially was too late, the virus was already wide spread. If you do a little research on how public health officials deal with disease outbreaks, your perception of what happened over the last 2+ years might make more sense. I don't blame you for being critical of the CDC and how they handled things. Mistakes were made.
@douglascarlson9006
@douglascarlson9006 Рік тому
@@jimperdue6166 Did you read my comment or merely glance at it ... I said nothing about the CDC - nothing .... My comment was critical of Hedges ... many, many times he has urged to resist tyranny, but now that tyranny is in our face, he's MIA ... If I ever ran into Chris Hedges in the parking lot you can bet the ranch I'd have a few choice words for him ... he does not respect you and he is using you ...
@karenangelisashaw7347
@karenangelisashaw7347 Рік тому
Jeffrey Zaiser thanks for saving me the time of watching the podcast.
@muatagarai1593
@muatagarai1593 Рік тому
I stopped at the 21 minute mark. I heard enough of this "exceptional" bs. But reading the comments I see it gets worse.
@yourmomsdaddy9130
@yourmomsdaddy9130 Рік тому
My opinions differ from Hedges' once in awhile but I always want to hear what he has to say. Likewise, any historian, activist, political type, or important voice Hedges interviews have added to my resources. Mr Bacevich seems very astute, with the exception of his comment on Putin and the war in Ukraine.
@donald2665
@donald2665 Рік тому
The common Bond that tied our People together was once the Following: The Rights and Freedoms protected against Governmental intrusion & infringement, as well as the Right to Property and a Trial of Peers under the Law Equally. My Father who was born in 1930 would often say that the Rights of the individual were paramount.
@shereerabon8551
@shereerabon8551 Рік тому
How refreshing to listen to real genuine perspectives, dialogue and ideas for the future of America. Maybe we can postpone the ‘hand baskets to hell.” Thank you.
@lewstherintelamon1377
@lewstherintelamon1377 Рік тому
I think it's a highway, at this point.
@jaykline8550
@jaykline8550 Рік тому
The honest truth about WWII is that we helped the Russians win the war. We did not. ourselves, win the war.
@dariasacharovskaja99
@dariasacharovskaja99 Рік тому
Yes, it is truth.
@nieskeolinga4556
@nieskeolinga4556 Рік тому
By all honesty Russia won the WW2 and every know's it...
@alfredstaggs9137
@alfredstaggs9137 Рік тому
When you disenfranchised you bring an end. People don't learn.
@rupertbhenry3659
@rupertbhenry3659 Рік тому
Very good.
@Ivorybird09
@Ivorybird09 Рік тому
Thank you for a great discussion. One point. Ukr war did not start in Feb 2022. It is a civil war between Russian speakers and Ukr nationalists dated back to 2014. Since then harassed Russian speakers of Ukraine were murdered ( 15 000), kidnapped, raped, etc. Putin kept insisting on Minsk agreement to stop the genocide of the Russian speakers in Ukr. To no avail. Putin kept talking about red lines. Ignored. Now we face this HORRIBLE MILITARY SITUATION and western leaders keep bringing up NUCLEAR WAR yes. Many westerners profited in this endeavour. They have provoked it. They benefit from it. Please find the article by RAND dated January 2022. It explicitly calls for USA to weaken EU, deindustrialise Germany by breaking up its relationship with Russia. How? By starting a war in Ukraine What a disgusting plan. Well. We see this unfolding in front of our eyes. ---
@marypritchett115
@marypritchett115 7 місяців тому
Nice try, Vlad. That Rand article is fake.
@TrueNorth1970
@TrueNorth1970 5 місяців тому
spot on Sir! 👍🎯
@susanmercurio1060
@susanmercurio1060 Рік тому
5:35 Col. Bacevich, that statement by Madeleine Albright was one of the baldest assertions of American exceptionalism that has been made in English! You don't need to apologize for singling her out. P.S. I think that the ordinary people of the United States (if their minds aren't warped by propaganda) share similar and very good ideas of what the common good is. It's just that our government has gone off the rails. 28:40 The only part of your statement about the Ukraine war with which I can agree is the last part: we could have avoided it if we had used diplomacy.
@lewstherintelamon1377
@lewstherintelamon1377 Рік тому
The ordinary American is so exhausted after struggling to barely make ends meet, that even if he has the time he doesn't have the energy to read up by himself. That's one of the reasons that mass-media has been so effective at manufacturing consent for a build-up to war with both Russia and China. And agreed.
@bronxmosthated1
@bronxmosthated1 Рік тому
Thank you
@jarichards99utube
@jarichards99utube Рік тому
Colonel Andrew Bacevich - one of my (few) Favorite Military Minds. ALWAYS worth listening to..! : ) -StayWell Everyone -70SomethingGuy
@hollyw9566
@hollyw9566 Рік тому
You'd do better to listen to Scott Ritter and Douglas MacGregor.
@johleby8048
@johleby8048 Рік тому
Thank to you for this great discussion. 🙏❤️🙏
@danielgriffith3633
@danielgriffith3633 Рік тому
Great stuff, thank you
@Who_Let_The_Dogs_Out_10-7
@Who_Let_The_Dogs_Out_10-7 Рік тому
More interesting than I thought it would be.
@m.m.r.enterprise5772
@m.m.r.enterprise5772 Рік тому
This was brilliant. Specially start to 8mins truuu.hit very hard to me
@suetipping4841
@suetipping4841 Рік тому
I wonder if the author is aware of just what those in power in America did in Ukraine from 2012 through 2016? And does he know what America's State Dept did to US citizens left behind in Afghanistan when a group of Americans attempted their rescue? Do these people realize the absolute horror we have ahead of us?
@michellehill718
@michellehill718 Рік тому
"The way we choose to remember...."
@henrybartlett1986
@henrybartlett1986 Рік тому
My God; we truly are on the cusp.
@anonymous-rj6ok
@anonymous-rj6ok Рік тому
Chris Hedges is the only reason I'm still subscribed to this channel. That "Ukrainian and Russian panel" video was an absolute disgrace.
@fs127
@fs127 Рік тому
PAR and Rattling The Bars both are still good, honest conversations on RNN. I'm still astounded that they managed to land Mr. Hedges.
@therock8475
@therock8475 Рік тому
I sure hope this one's better than "Voices of Ukraine and Ukraine"
@anonymous-rj6ok
@anonymous-rj6ok Рік тому
That video was an absolute disgrace.
@lewstherintelamon1377
@lewstherintelamon1377 Рік тому
No kidding. That was awful.
@weblightstudio8215
@weblightstudio8215 Рік тому
Thanks Chris, this is a better way of seeing
@user-rp2li7ks4e
@user-rp2li7ks4e Рік тому
Ordered up my copy!
@michaelgnit8476
@michaelgnit8476 Рік тому
Here goes my amateur thought process we need to get rid of these leaders but somehow violence seems to ethically defeat some of the purpose yet violence appears to be the only way to remove them as they will not magically go away no matter how much we wish it. So the question for me can we remove these people without violence and evolve past humanity's past and violence or are we doomed to use violence to depose those that are socio and psychopaths' and are so self absorbed they can no longer function in any capacity when it involves other people?
@grb1969
@grb1969 Рік тому
Remove power, not people.
@Brianbeesandbikes
@Brianbeesandbikes Рік тому
The 1% use violence. We need to build for peace AND recognize that any violence from the left is IN RESPONSE to defend ourselves. Turn the state and media's narrative "liberals need to control their 'antifa radicals' " back on the state stating that antifa only shows up IN RESPONSE TO state and state protected vigilante violence.
@michaelgnit8476
@michaelgnit8476 Рік тому
@@Brianbeesandbikes I agree but we need to find a large majority of people who believe that to make it happen.
@brijpalbhandari7887
@brijpalbhandari7887 Рік тому
One evil leads to another .
@alanchriston6806
@alanchriston6806 Рік тому
Superb Analysis 😊🏴‍☠️
@kp6215
@kp6215 Рік тому
The Officer was 💯
@dsperorn
@dsperorn Рік тому
This is good. I didn't know Bacevich was so deep.
@rajkobjelica4905
@rajkobjelica4905 Рік тому
Not.
@eottoe2001
@eottoe2001 Рік тому
Great show. TY, Chris.
@jo9732
@jo9732 Рік тому
Ineptitude of government. That right there is why we are where we are.
@adrian_vee100
@adrian_vee100 Рік тому
Finally two rational minds on UKposts!
@anon2132
@anon2132 Рік тому
Does Bacevich at any point acknowledge corporate and financial interests as a major driver of American foreign policy?
@davidotness6199
@davidotness6199 Рік тому
The Quincy Institute is funded by Charles Koch and George Soros---strange bedfellows indeed.
@numbersix8919
@numbersix8919 Рік тому
This book by Bacevich sounds great! Thanks as always Chris Hedges.
@yawejoe
@yawejoe Рік тому
Chris Hedges, God gave you to us🙏🏼
@makuohua3071
@makuohua3071 Рік тому
Talks of reality of Facts channel . This is most needed ongoing to adaptable in Change in the Changed World .
@SmeeUncleJoe
@SmeeUncleJoe Рік тому
I wonder if your guest has entertained the arguments of Prof. John Mearsheimer on who bears the responsibility for the Ukraine war. ... or Ambassador Jack Matlock, for that matter ?
@lewstherintelamon1377
@lewstherintelamon1377 Рік тому
Or Douglas MacGregor. Or Scott Ritter. Or many, many others. But Hedges is on the "Putin Bad" bandwagon, so you won't see any of them here.
@SmeeUncleJoe
@SmeeUncleJoe Рік тому
@@lewstherintelamon1377 I'd love to see a video of his reasoning while confronting the history of US State Department meddling including alliances with NAZIs to overthrow elected Presidents, the slaughters in the Donbas of ethnic Russians, broken promises not to expand NATO and on it goes. I'm sorry and surprised if he blames Russia for this war.
@SmeeUncleJoe
@SmeeUncleJoe Рік тому
@@lewstherintelamon1377 I just went and had a quick look and I'm not getting the impression at all the Hedges is on the "Putin is bad bandwagon". Can you tell me where you got that idea ?
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