Dang, just imagine what that's like for someone who isn't a millionaire! There are so many levels to the problems in this situation. This is a clusterfuck of problems ranging from environmental, administrative, and moral.

@@monsieurdorgat6864 if you aren't rich, you better be at home with a hose else you lose everything!

@@sarahjacobs1161 I mean... I wish you the best of luck but you will need a lot more than a hose to save your house : / If you lose your house you can keep going. It's usually not worth dying for stuff.

They dont care if your house burns down or not.. they are just there by the hour buddy (they only work if you signed a contract)

Free market Solution to protect your home 🤙🏼

There what is?

And neither do the private bootlickers. Nobody owns the ocean, doesn’t give me the right to go piss in somebody’s water supply.

@@Jcalon the private FF seems more concerned about his ability to make money by using those terms. They could just work together, instead of using it as income.

@@Gormfork But you can piss in the ocean, lakes, and reservoirs. He also did not claim to own it.

@@FreeToBe339 Why can he not make money from it and it seems that the state fire fighters are the ones that do not want to work together.

seeing the trillions our government is currently willing to dump on other causes whilst throwing pennies at helping the citizens of our own country. I don't think money is the problem. It's our government's own lack of care for the people who make up this nation. Sorry for crypto responding to this post but seeing where things are at this year it's a travesty how much our government is willing to pay hotshot's or other local agencies that work to fight wildland fires throughout this country.

They do...the Forest Service is losing people to CalFire every year because of pay. Its the Government firefighters that aren't getting paid right.

@unvascorriendo There's some truth to this, but its mostly false. There are a few (Hollywood, Big Tech executives) that totally skirt any taxes. BUT most of the taxes burden in California is paid by the top 50% generally speaking. The real issue in my opinion is the total mismanagement of the California pension plan. State workers put money into it and the state totally screwed it up with their stupid side projects and what not.... its a travesty... and as usual the state politicians gas light everybody and blame rich people for it.

Welcome to the forest service! Where we pay you 10$ to get lung cancer and potentially at the risk of your life everyday!

Once again, private industry outperforms govt.

It starts at $12.60 an hour and the average salary for Cal Fire employees is $83,085 per year. The benefits are great, too. They pay each employee too well and are thus, understaffed.

That’s what I did with my brother and father. The fire came in the middle of the night and there wasn’t a firefighter to be seen anywhere. But we were prepared because we knew we couldn’t rely on the state to protect us. We saved our property and a couple of our neighbors’ as well. Our neighbors who evacuated lost everything.

Exactly

guessing not... because they wouldn't be setting back fires

Were those people being paid to ignore the majority of fires and help only one property and ignore the grand plan for tackling the fires long term? No.

The same criticisms would apply.. but only if you ignore motive.

It's brutally underfunded for the problems they're facing. Honestly if the environment wasn't fucked we wouldn't have too many wildfires to deal with. Never forget - these private firefighters don't help the majority of people. They save the houses of the rich. These are the people who set the bed they're now uncomfortable sleeping in. These are people who are totally fine with the rest of the world burning down so long as their mansion doesn't get singed, and they don't mind setting up un-coordinated back-fires that could be the cause of someone else's house burning down in order to do so.

@@monsieurdorgat6864 Exactly this. Anyone who says otherwise probably don't actually live in California and haven't actually watched the events unfold over the years. The rich has been widening inequality in more ways than just wages. They purposely bus homeless from their cities into poorer neighborhoods, incentivize such things like AirBnB that allows for disproportionate homes and apartments (though illegal, still happens) being bought and used instead for tourism, and then cry about the implosion of homeless communities that can no longer be only contained in those poor neighborhoods. And always, they point the finger at the poor and say "you did this." Well, all I have to say is the best fine dining is eating the rich. Clearly, nothing else is working, and regulations hardly ever affect them.

CalFire is one best paid and funded fire orgs in the country, thats why the Federal Fire Service loses so many member to CalFire. ( Cal FireAir Program is one of the largest non-military air programs in the country) 2nd what does "manage water resource" mean? Do you mean balancing water demand of citizens and ensure that California world famous environment isn't damaged? 3rd I keep hearing this thing about "forest management?" like what does that mean? You know when the state of California, her counties, and cities can do controlled burns they do, right? The thing you must be talking about is the fact that Federal Government doesn't do control burns on Federal lands (where most these fires start) for number of reason ranging from economic, risk, to the logistical. And California has rule that those living near areas that have plan controlled burns (not on federal lands) can nix it. Like help me out here, what here is the "failure"

They dont care if your house burns down or not.. they are just there by the hour buddy (they only work if you signed a contract)

@@monsieurdorgat6864 That's always the excuse. Everything is underfunded, but just like education, when private charters step in, they do it for less.

Way to pick the LOWEST bar

@@GreaterThanGaming literally lmao

The US already has tried private fire fighting agencies already, they're the reason we have public firefighters today. They led to millions in property damage and outright graft..

it's the exact same thing. It just means the rich will be protected and the poor will suffer. Shouldn't firefighters have an obligation to their 'clients' like doctors have to theirs? Next thing you know we will be reading articles of families dying in house fires even tho it could have been easily prevented as there was private fire brigade a few streets over but, since the family couldn't afford it, the firefighters didn't legally have to help. This is ridiculous, you're just brainwashed mate.

@@DZ-hh5dw Yup.... And the Rich keep getting Richer... Ugh! I wanted to be a firefighter to help out as needed.. I never wanted to become a greedy billionaire to let other neighbors suffer. Crazy f'n Dayz! Thanks.

I felt that hahaha 😂😂😂🥵🥵🥵👨🏽‍🚒🔥🔥🔥

Looking down to the left means nothing btw, quite a myth that one. Watch a few vids on former FBI agents on interrogation. What people know as commonplace lie 'tells' are actually false. Saying that, the company of the guy in the video clearly did light the back fire haha, but you can tell that from his overall demeanour and wording, not from which way he is looking.

Prove it 😂🤷🏻‍♂️👍💪

@@hopintheroflcopter sounded like his reply was worded by a lawyer so he wouldn’t further incriminate himself.

A bunch of glorified arsonists.

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@Cinda Oppenheimer when on the internet use the lingo, ancient one.

@Cinda Oppenheimer they are trained professionals who work for private fire companies. Most are tired of the political mess of bigger departments.

Facts

It like what was said they don't fallow command structure and incident action plan. They only worry about their own little world. That in the grand scheme of fire can have a negative ripple effect. One of the first rules firefighters learn is no freelancing on a fire and that is exactly what private firefighters are doing.

@@jaystevenson7420 Do you apply your same logic to private security too? A homeowner would have the exact same interest, do you think individuals shouldn't be allowed to protect their home from an active fire? If so, is it just a case of motive? I.e. money? If so, just say you're a communist.

Thank you for sharing your experience/story. Glad that you're well, and still have your home.

Can’t rely on the government is the key principle here

That’s sickening

💯 you and each and everyone has to take responsibility for their own lives, home and land... cannot trust the “government” to protect you. Right to stand your ground against threats and enlist the help of others as well. Standard practice of liberty 🗽

@@useyourbrain-vm8li That's what companies want you to think, as they lobby to defund government services. Companies only exist for profit, so you shouldn't trust them with your safety. Look at literally any other first world country and the public services they offer and you'll find that governments can, in fact, be run effectively.

Not only "can't" gov't agencies protect us, they are administratively directed NOT to. Get that, and adjust your life accordingly.

True, but you'd be pretty pissed if some rich person's personal fire protection turned a fire away from their property and into your neighborhood.

People? You are mistaken, this is another corporation. Another step to dystopia. I think there were movies about private cops, how does that not ring some alarm bells?

@@dwidep Seems like a civil matter IF that happened but i'm not a fire expert but I would expect that everything in the area including neighboring houses would get torched regardless if someone did a backfire.

@Cinda Oppenheimer the worst that can happen is all the property burns down like it would have anyway if they werent there

So we're just inferring stuff now? I'm inferring that the union leader is a little communist who doesn't care about you or your home.

cant admit wrong doing on camera

Easy way to dodge a yes or no question. capitalism has funny accents sometimes . but in the end. its allllllllways about one thing

@@shaneh9591 the lawyer for Calfire had no proof of damages either... he was just in a pissing match argument over who has right/ownership over fire 🔥 (both wild and controlled burns). Just like California argues only government has rights/ownership of firearms as well.

@@bthemedia you cannot be that stupid. Lighting a back fire (without official knowledge or permission) has nothing in common with owning a firearm.

88mphDrBrown really??? Maybe you should think long and hard how defensive fires stop wild fires and defensive gun use stops attackers with guns. In both cases, you cannot rely on government to save your life or property from threats.

They dont care if your house burns down or not.. they are just there by the hour buddy (they only work if you signed a contract)

Good point

WildDisease well said

@@WildDisease72 So I guess the public firefighters aren't paid by the hour? Oh wait, their union contract they paid off politicians to pass does exactly that. If anything, public labor union members are hired guns who wouldn't lift a finger without sweetheart contracts obtained through corruption and payoffs.

@@WildDisease72 so don't use a private firefighter? Simple

In a sane country firefighting would be adequately funded to begin with. But alas, as we are all well aware the US of A is not a sane country.

@@user-kb8rc5vq2i which is the reason for private firefighting lol

@@user-kb8rc5vq2i if we didn't spend so much on our military and allow the rich to dodge taxes all this is a result of a corupt government that isn't there for the people because I'd it was they'll put more money into the fighting fires Edit:also climate change because it making fire worst

@@USSAnimeNCC- California already has the highest tax rate and can be considered a pretty wealthy state. This isn’t about the amount of money they got , it’s about how they managed it. They chose to manage it poorly.

@@user-kb8rc5vq2i Lol. California has sky high taxes and their firefighters are STILL underfunded? Make it make sense.

Exactly.

Firefighters are Union workers first and foremost. This guy's primary job is to protect jobs from competition.

@@flakgun153 I'm glad someone said that. Only a union can tell you that you can't save lives and property. Were the only ones that can do that. I'm sure the peoples houses who are saved don't care about the local firefighters getting mad. I'm sure they said, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to save my stuff

True, the union firefighter is extremely bias but he's kind of right about private fire fighters being a liability. The private fire fighters are only useful for the contracted property. If the fire passes the private company then that's potentially unused man power in an emergency situation. A better solution would be teaching good practices for fire prevention which would decrease fire chances and spread. For example if an area is prone to fires create a fire lines by managing the landscape.

@@allstarwoo4 Im willing to bet the property owners of the homes saved wouldn't call them liabilities. When the rubber meets the road people will protect themselves.

Should public assets divert themselves to save private crews calling out in distress, after the area is closed and evacuated by government agencies? Or listen to them die on radio? What if CalFire goes to bail them out and loses their own crew to a scene that would never have had government fire fighters on it? Tax google and Amazon and forgive student debt for three tours with the Forestry Service in the Fire Wars.

@@ColdBrewLobster public assets should cover those people fighting the fires as private taxes are going towards the public firemen anyway. Those private place owners are paying twice to have their property defended

Goddamn right

@Cinda Oppenheimer you most of them left government agencies to go make more money doing the same job right??

It's dangerous considering they could be poorly trained. They could start fires just to get jobs. They can change the direction of the fire putting others at harm.

@@JohnnyZMunoz Nowadays these organizations are taking in veterans who are sick of federal working conditions.

So, the government would rather underpay firefighter working for public interest, so that the money could be use elsewhere? Let's say the military on overseas mission?

@@JohnnyZMunoz Well put

It’s hard to be on the same page with completely different goals.

there is huge difference to what your calling fuels mitigation projects, which we wildland firefighters do all the time between fires, an actually fighting a wildfire. knowing how to use a chainsaw is great, but when your hotlining its a lot different, if you buck a burning log the same as a normal log your gonna have a bad time. not saying i havent worked with some carnies that know what theyre doing, but for the most part they got their training like you get karate belts now a days, you just pay for it, no training no nothing. better to have them go dig contingency line, or pull hose, away from the fire and let the actual fire fighting be done by others a bit more trained

@@ownlywon Retired structural fireman /EMT here -after I retired , I worked on a type 6 engine private contractor ---Red carded -eng boss -IC 4 -sawyer -strike team leader qualified - the list goes on -90 % of the time while working on project fires , my engine was called up to take the lead -especially on tasks that required more than the bare basic skill level. Agency engines do not have to pull their weight -private contractors have to produce results

I'm sure if the state of local government wanted to pay the $20k per person per month they too could hire the private firefighters to work along side them. No? Do you also think that private coach companies should be forced to help the government when their public transport is overstretched? Just say you want a state controlled economy and call yourself a communist.

@@ownlywon You sound a little bitter that you're sucking on the state teat instead of making serious coin going privately. If you're a wildland firefighter, just work harder, bro.

I wouldnt say safety...

@@CentralCAhomie Why?

One thing that I could see being a problem is coordination, even if they agreed to work together. Organizing wildfire fighting now is a huge task. Imagine trying to coordinate with thousands of little private companies/properties too.

Prison inmates are also tasked with fighting wildfires. Does he have any opposition to that, as well?

​@@Axemantitan they work for the government and vet trained to the same standards

Yeah and what I'm reading in the comments, there's people that want the government to DEMAND that said security guards help out with actual policing when they're understaffed. Far too many communists in America.

Under capitalism, those who can't afford it would probably die in a fire.

@@austinhernandez2716 like that house they pointed out

@@user-vc1gb5ix5m well more wildfires came about because of capitalism and more CO2 emissions. I regard myself as a capitalist but that is just a FACT.

Based Capitalism

@@0dyss3us51 then you should be critical of capitalism. You can support a free market but be against capitalism.

Facts

You are 100% right about that my friend !!!

Newsom owns a winery, no?

@Wazi R tax write off.

@@iVince905 lmao that aint no tax write off🤣

Firefighting not the same as prisons

They aren't controlling public services they are offering additional services to those who can afford it.

Public services cannot keep up, how hard is this to understand?

@@tommysoliz3064 The question is why? Why is the military 5% of the GDP if the fucking fire department is underfunded

@@gardeningniceperson the military isn't 5% of GDP, it's 3.1% which is practically the lowest its been in the last 80 years. And the fire department is primarily a state funded agency, so it's not even competing with defense spending.

Have friends in Brea, CA in Orange County. They told us that coyotes were attacking their dogs in their subdivision. Likewise coyotes could be seen in the daytime watching children play at the local elementary school. It’s illegal to shoot the animals and it took no small amount of red tape to get the government to “relocate” them. A child was attacked at the school by a coyote and finally the govt got off it’s ass and relocated some of the animals. Ridiculous. In Texas we would shoot the damn things and be done with it.

@@AlexKomnenos So don't let your dogs run loose and be a responsible parent and keep an eye on your kid, it's easy really. The solution isn't shooting wild animals for being animals but to not be a lazy human that feels they're above nature. Humans do not have a monopoly on living on this planet. Thinking that is just, well stupid.

@@Fisklina That's so dumb I'm sorry. Where is the logic in all of this? I'm pretty anti-hunting but that's just dumb. The California government is way too authoritarian. get outta here.

@@cschenks5431 It's fake bud. There aren't any Coyotes terrorizing suburbs because their government is too frail 😂. They're timid little things, hardly twice the size of a fox

@@notthatguy4703 eh.. a desperate coyote might try to grab a kid.. there is coyotes near where i live in ontario (not far from toronto.. very high popupulation density) and they go after small dogs at dog parks lmfao

i mean if the private guys enact a plan to save a peticular house that could actually be detrimental to saving the entire block then yeah, theres an issue there. Thats literaly why they asked about the backfire.

Former inmate fire fighters can work for USFS, CalFire, USNP and private fire suppression.

If they were paid as much as a regular firefighter then their sentence would be kinda pointless wouldn’t it?

Domestic Firefighting is very dangerous wildfire firefighting can kill you in seconds

i think it's just a comparison a bad one tho

They are, and they're often terrible at their jobs. Private fire fighters are often the least trained, least equipped, and don't require any for of screening for quality so these companies hire as many bodies they can and it shows. Imagine having the audacity to comment on things you know nothing about

You just can't trust contractors, it's been proven time and time again that they care more about profit than wellbeing. But at this point, what else is there to do? I guess more communication.

@@aus-li "what else is there to do?" Hmm, ooh I dunno how about increasing spending on vital public services! Oh, but wait, that would probably require a small bump in the higher rates of taxes on individuals and businesses. Can't be having that, oh no. 🙄

Agree 100%, we don’t know the details of this specific fire and it’s consequences (eg was a controlled backfire out of control? Harm others/efforts?) however Calfire’s only argument is that they 100% have responsibility for all wild and controlled fires... even when they cannot manage that responsibility effectively, and lives and property are lost. If the private firefighters caused arson/damage (can we say CalFire never did???) then that could be a case. Fire and Guns in California... it seems only the government has the power/authority and responsibility to use them, yet none of the accountability when it goes wrong.

I agree as well, if i had the money I’d buy their services too we all would. I said this in a different comment but nobody cares about private police that guard the super rich. These guys just wanted to protect their houses is all, I’d do the same. Edit: at 5:15 i also find it humorous that the only person complaining about the private force in the video was some guy in a suit.

@@bthemedia that last statement was incredible by the ways.

Most wildfires in California don't start in California State land they happen on Federal Lands, its Federal Issue. Pretty weak researching skills from Andrew Barabas.

I understand that reference.

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More funding, you're funny. Let's throw money at the problem that will fix it......

The same could be said everywhere. This economy is on the brink of collapse, free the market.

It's mainly been National Forests (federal land) that's burning, so it's really the US Forest Service that needs more funding.

More funding? My man... they take our souls with taxes in cali as it is.

@UCarBqs5xHat3dTsH5xTEY7w I wasn't advocating for an unregulated monopoly, there is plenty of room for competition just like in private security. The fire department should welcome equipped and willing volunteers or private groups and recognize the benefit of even limited assistance. They are much more interested in saving lives than taking risk to save property, and if there is a willing party who wants to stay and get paid to keep fighting, the department holds no liability for their actions, likewise punishment is not justified for disobedience to evacuation orders.

Already exists, we worked in cal as a fire crew alongside government agencies doing the exact same job as them. Inital attack ops and mop up jobs. Been around for many many years. This video shows the very small side of private contractors, not the majority of work that the private sector does.

@@Etomidate Thanks for the information! I love to hear it.

@@Etomidate that’s because vice is bias and will report a small section of something to make a point and follow an established narrative. “Fake news”

Yeah you pretty much have it. They will have no legal obligation to tackle fires unless they get paid. For an analogy, if you apply this to doctors, it would mean that they could refuse to treat patients who can't pay. It's as immoral as you think.

If they didn't pay the free Lance fire fighters NOBODY would be there to save that house anyways, soooooo, your dumb, if those people wanted to save their house they could have paid too.

@@jaredoldhouser3301 Firstly, don’t call me dumb. Secondly, by asking those questions I was trying to clarify differences between public and private firefighters. Lastly, obviously people don’t want their property burning down, but not everyone can afford private firefighters.

@@DZ-hh5dw how is risking your life for free immoral ? If they die trying to save a house not on their contract. You tell their wives... Your husband died for nothing ? They are providing a service to people who request it. It's no different than a security guard protection. A PSG isn't risking his life for a client they don't work for. This is life. Trust the local firefighters or hire someone else or move. These are all better options than telling people they are immoral

@@edenroach6607 move if you can't afford private firefighters then. If you can't afford to insure the house then you never could afford the house in the first place. On the east coast you have to pay a premium to live on hurricane zones. This is no different

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Yessir you are not wrong, they highly discrimnate against us private contractors. Even though we do the same work alongside them.

sound like another step toward turning public service into privatized service. Wonder if it will turn into a mess just like the health care service or not.

You are wrong and don’t understand the importance of having public firefighters and not private firefighters.

@Christian Rolls you are wrong. Private firefighters is a horrible idea.

@Christian Rolls We all have our own opinions... I for one do not think it is a good idea at all.

@Christian Rolls well the government runs the military well. Also tell if private companies runs everything so well than why businesses go out, some file bankruptcy, and some are run badly. Give me a break with your libertarian BS. Government needs to run these services because it is for everyone. Now you can demand for the government to run it better but not replace it. No wonder our healthcare and education are a mess.

I just randomly came across this video. The guy Ryan and I have some mutual friends but I've only met him once. A few years ago, I went up toy parents to bbq one spring evening. Ryan rolled up and said he wanted to fire proof the neighborhood and that he was getting people to sign on to let him do his work. This is a very rural neighborhood but most everyone keeps a clear property. About a week later his crew showed up and for about a month they cleared 150ft of under brush off each side of the road. And then 200 ft on the American river canyon side. It looked beautiful. Well about a month later a fire started at 3 in the morning at a campground on the American river. It burnt all the way up to his fire line in the middle of the night and stopped instead of ripping through a neighborhood of sleeping people. Truly great service he provides. He's smart to

@Cinda Oppenheimer my parents aren't rich. My dad is a retired UPS driver and my mom was a special education teacher. What do you mean "make a mess"?

​@Cinda Oppenheimer you are getting desperate huh

Yep. Federal firefighters not performing as well as needed? Then instead of privatizing firefighters and potentially jeopardizing entire cities, tax the wealthy more to increase their funding.

They'll just move themselves and their tax-paying dollars to Nevada.

Imagine if pensions weren't so bloated to begin with.

Right?! Just like window repair companies breaking windows when there is no work, or lock smiths breaking into peoples homes so they hire them to install better locks, or like tire companies stabbing peoples tires when they need more work. The private fire companies would never just work to setup fire breaks and barriers for their clients when there was no fire to fight.

There are private contract firefighting companies that are called up by the state or federal land management agencies, that go right in as part of the whole Incident. There are also private companies contracted with insurance companies that just show up at the client's property, are not integrated into the Incident, likely the Incident has no knowlegde they are there operating, and are hence freelancing and a liability

If you think they are lazy, go try it yourself.

@Mike Phillips HA you are funny, go become a wildland firefighter and tell me that. We get 16 plus hour days for upwards of 21 days straight. Hiking and digging fire line. Not easy.

The money is in overtime, 110 plus hours a week. Made 2.5 k a week.

I guess it is because forests have been chopped down on private lands in order to grow crops, do cattle ranching etc. Isn't it? I don't live in the US so I might be wrong.

@@inigoro5177 "Tragedy of the commons."

Anyone left of our Republican Party is considered "leftist".

Anyone left of Reagan is a considered a leftist in this country it hurts the soul

California is VERY leftist compared to almost every other state.

Each country has an Overton window

I guess you're from Belarus or Russia then.

This is the problem, they are. When they are conducting unannounced backburns, and that causes a fire to blow toward fire crews, that is a major issue. There are ways for them to get certified as firefighters and be recognized as a resource to combat fire but these private companies are not doing that, they are freelancing.

@@notgunnadoit7461 It was US State Dept that called us chief, remember he first free elections? Remember? Everyone was hit. Remember? early 2005? UBL and his minions did a nation wide offensive hit every IP station IA outpost and coalition and American FOBs, COPs? It started the surge of late 2006 to 07? The Coalition realized that the whole nation can go up like Tet in Vietnam. I never said the Army ran the net, I said that we heard you all crying and we had COALITION FORCES and AF, ARMY, Marines that were first in line for QRF (Air cover, support). Kicking small arms ammo out the small bird of a Hughes 500 don't do much when you all wanted OH58 Kiowa, Blackhawk Gunship, and Apache support when you can talk to state and had no way to talk to Air support... Make sense Mr. Contractor? We knew you were Americans but we can't help you when we're getting second hand or third hand info. You can't even talk to any of those air assets with a unvetted sat phone or to the TCC to give your location... How do you relay that to a mortar team, heavy artillery support or air support with no AF Combat Controller or USN/Marine aviator working as one with their forces??? Or a CIA direct action operative without a encrypted, vetted SAT Phone??? Tell , me that? Of course it mattered you were American but if the US Military can't get accurate, vetted information real time, it's a no go, always. Hey you all figured it out, you were all making six figiures then... But you sound like it was a bother to have big army around as you said. But it wasn't just us Mr. Contractor. It was all the US Forces and coalition. Too bad the Poles weren't near you're AO, they kicked ass sand the bacon of guys who worked for Olive and Dyncorp holed up in a IP station with 100 percent casualties, walking and dead.

@@notgunnadoit7461 To add, it's the same with this private firefighting, it's not a competition, it's the secrecy, they don't let the state, county or city firefighters they're there and that's the problem. The operate on their own and don't tell the officials what they're doing. Everything in a situation like that, LE, Public Safety, Military, information is key, and they're deceptive and secretive. That's my take, fine they make a buck, I served and Capitalist country for couple decades plus, no skin on me man. Didn't you watch the upload? In Iraq, we knew pretty much the contractors AOs theire buildings etc. If you were were there in 05 when the whole country went up, well, you were making six figures bud, and your comment makes it sounds like we were lames and didn't care about you all but hey, I already explained from my side, at the time, being a 11B E7 on the ground, if we can't talk to you directly, or you have the proper encrypted and vetted coms and the number codes come up digitally on the TCC end, well, we aren't sending anyone any help who aren't coalition, Iraqi Police with US/coalition advisers or Iraqi Army with the same, if we do, you're at the back of the line.. It's not the movies where you splice a line and talk to your command and get help in 10 minutes of movie time that in reality is 8 hours in actual combat time, if it wasn't make believe...

@@notgunnadoit7461 I doubt it... We had air opps 100 at that time. More than enough to go around (high tempo to the breaking point but the Airforce, Navy, Marines and Army air assets got it done) and mortar, artillery teams that covered all of Baghdad... I don't believe your tale of valor Mr. Contractor. Why would you send help to a US/Coalition unit, that can't talk to your so called 'little birds' to tell them where to put 'fires' on the enemy? Tell me? When coms come up our side to the TCC, or Controllers or even a squad leader's coms, the numbers have to jive on in the TCC or their company command side? How did you get those encrypted codes? The enemy can hear States Coms! Contractors don't have access or the equipment for those coms, only CIA has them. Not even state. The TCC or Battalion, Company coms will auto allow the voice to come over the other end with 2 second delay.. ??? How'd you get those codes to talk to our people on the ground? That top secret equipment? Why do you think every fire team in the US Army has 2 thermite grenade to destroy their vehicles? Or even hear them??? Contractors don't have the super secret squirrel clearance to get those codes OR COM EQUIPMENT!!. Only US Military/Coalition and CIA has those code/coms/sat phones. It's not like public safety coms in the states where you can crack them or hack those codes. Never saw, in my 3 tours in Iraq, a Contractor air asset with mounted guns either. You said RPG attack, to engage targets with a 'little' bird, you'd be so low a RPG operater has a 50% chance of hitting it (Your so called 'little bird') and I doubt a company would put a pilot and 3 or 4 hundred grand in life insurance of human assets aboard (And who knows what they promised the operator what kind of company money they'll pay out, on contract upon their death. Also Mr. Contractor, if it was medical rescue? Did you know to pull one off, you need a cover aircraft with has gunship capabilities or the ground to be totally free of tangos??? It's not hollywood man. Escpecially if your bosses are writing the checks or don't want to write any more that cuts into their BOTTOM LINE. I also remembered @ that time, contractors bought used aircraft, not new, or leased New aircraft and a 500D costs about $400K at that time to buy used, or 55K a month to lease plus fuel and maintenance and pilot(s) at that high operating tempo in 03-09? , I doubt your bosses would risk a combat air support mission and lose several millions in personnel and equipment. You're bosses are making dollars not trying to lose them. Or have their insurance premiums jump up 20% a month because YOU SENT A AIR ASSET TO RESCUE US/COALITION PERSONNEL you can't talk too and lost a bird and 3 humans!!. Tell your story somewhere else Mr. Contractor. Your story makes a lot of sense in Call of Duty but not in any OIF combat situation... I did it too long for 'Big Army' for not to know what the 'grass is always greener' side of the combat arms for what they're business entails.. The six figure contractor who worked for peope who were about making money, not losing money... My very first battle buddy and good friend in the US Army is still contracting after retiring in 2011... So, I kind of know what I'm talking about Mr. Contractor.

@@notgunnadoit7461 I was in Iraq during that time. THERE IS NO WAY a private military contractor with helos would send their crews to medivac or support a US Military unit in distress. I was a combat medic then and you couldn't even communicate with the unit/element that needed medivac or support. How would you talk to them? Coordinate a LZ (Safe)? With smoke signals? With Mirrors? Cmon bro! How did you know they're in need of help/medivac? Fires? Their coms are encrypted? Only the "OGA" outside if US and NATO forces have those codes and communication equipment. Not state... OGA is another word for NSA, CIA, DIA, USAMI, USNMI, USMCMI, USAFMI etc, but the military MI wouldn't be a OGA , just setting an example. To add Im a medic, I know if I called for medivac with the help of a 25C, his coms could only be heard by US and our allied (NATO, if they had to codes) Forces.

Yeah exactly. It's crazy how ambiguous it is.

The government is historically inefficient and is pretty terrible at everything it does so if it was up to me I think privatizing the whole wild fire industry would be great.

@@john-zf1ybAmerican government* due to underfunding, mismanagement and lobbying like we're some corrupt "3rd world" nation. Many other first world nations manage their public programs better than we do.

@@penguindrum264 ya it sucks America seems like it wants to be both socialists and capitalist it needs to pick a lane and stay in it. Cause right now it’s not working. It’s like mixing water and oil. Capitalism do not mix well.

@@john-zf1yb That makes no sense... There are no truly socialist or capitalist countries. Almost every country has some combination (save for possibly North Korea), and they do in fact work better together. Certain things ARE better under government control. This video just showed a clear example of how private firefighters prioritize rich people and lack coordination.

@Kakashi Hatake what a shitty excuse.

Yeah, probably because the company gave him that line. The public services would prosecute them into oblivion otherwise.

@@kyled7186 correct

Lmao so misinformed, my friend just got trained in wildfire control and fighting fires he’s in the army and their going to California, Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska and other states. Idiotic.

Democracy=profits.

@@Layer67 *they're. Idiotic is right!

@Cinda Oppenheimer Why do you say that? Interested to hear that perspective

Personal responsibility and liberty!

@@bthemediaexactly 100%

Totally

Would make for a great debate topic lol

The fires started on federal land, not state, dispite what the president said. Cuts to the federal forestry budget contributed to the build up of brush.

Thomas you make some very good points. Poor public policy decisions and lack of adequate staffing has contributed to the rise in private firefighting.

In California, the county is in charge of abatement on county property. It is not well maintained. Too much acreage.

Simple answer in many counties they are not allowed too

@KittyMizuki short grass and around timber structures like sheds garages and scrub trees helps reduce fuel for fire stay safe cheers

@@bobby398 hey Bobby something that has to be looked at for future fire safety cheers

Because there wouldn’t be anything for Socialist to whine about. Yes I live in these areas.

Awesome. Stay safe.

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@@filda2005 i too am a private firefighter. This video doesn't make a distinction between the ones dispatched by the state on a state or federal contract, and the p[private ones contracted by private land owners. the kind that i am is part of the plan, we do work with the state firefighters and we will and do save peoples houses even if the industry we are in is gross capitalism. this vice video makes no distinction between us.

Don’t judge people who want to protect their homes from the massive fires

@@tommysoliz3064 i absolutely do. Those are nothing more than a rich assholes. Firefighting is an issue of an entire towns and communities, not individual protecting their own assets while endangering homes of people living nearby.

@@SkywalkerWroc not endangering others their protecting homes, stay in Europe because you’ll bring more rot here if you come

@@tommysoliz3064 Firefighter quoted in the video disagrees with you. Not to mention that they straight out break (already pathetically weak) US law by not evacuating when ordered.

You could search "Indeed.com" for "firefighter".

Yeah he was saw it again. Lol

Lol yeah

I was wondering the same thing haha

They're not slaves because they get paid 13 cents an hour, /s

@@JJSmalls Totally forgot about that, I also forgot about the room and board the state gives them.

@@Jcalon the state is so nice, they even delayed releasing hundreds of prisoners who had served their time so they could have the opportunity to come face to face with a real live wild fire.

@ JJSmalls Prisoners are not protected 13th amendment which bans slavery.

@@louiscypher4186 The service and opportunities that they provide are, really just top notch!

Because individuals aren't properly educated and will i donno accidentally make the problem worse like not wearing a mask or believing vaccines work or that they degrade government only to then use that degradation for profit

Hello, @@user-vc1gb5ix5m , what leads you to think that private firefighters are not trained/educated enough? What training do you think they are missing? I imagine that if they are not doing a good enough job, then their customers would fire them. In the same way that you or I would fire / not pay a delivery driver that brings cold pizza.

These are companies doing this for profit rather than some random heroic volunteers doing this out of the kindness of their heart and for online fame. In other words, the rich will be protected while those who don't pay will suffer

@@civilengineer3349 and? I wouldn't be able to afford it but if someone can, who am I (or anyone else) to tell them they aren't allowed to hire them? Saying the wealthy can't hire these private firefighters to protect their homes because it's unfair to those who can't afford it is just f****** stupid.

@@civilengineer3349 , public firefighters make profit too. It's called a paycheck. Profit does not make fighting fires evil. Do you have profit-phobia? Do profits scare you? Do you work for free, or do you get paychecks too?

There was actually a law passed very recently in California to allow ex-cons a path to becoming firefighters. Not sure if it applies to public and private.

some guy commented that his brother was in jail and was a firefighter in jail for 30 cents an hour. When he got out he was hired on the spot at a fire station.

Why not? Rehabilitation is a thing.

yes but dont work for a company like that. there are p[private companies who are dispatched by the state and we get treated like firefighters because we are part of the plan and have communication with other resources above and sometimes below us. i know patrick and grey back have alot of stations and hire frequently.

@@santiagoramirez733: Yes, 2019. CA DOC accepts inmate volunteers for upland firefighter training. Even violent offenders can make it onto the fire lines; given proper off season training by state wildfire personnel. Worked with offender teams in/near Yellowstone ~20 years ago. Motivated/competent: Hard day on the line beats any good day in a 8x10. Even had EMT units within my command. Individuals who excel can/have received preferential pardon for actions above/beyond. Life: Saving, not taking.

You do know they are entitled to rest