Connor: "Thanks, dad." Soldier: "Wait, wha-?" Connor: "Time travel device goes brrrr."

Lmfao

@@RoughThief that's funny lol poor Kyle died never knowing his son damn!

What would happen if Kyle Reese wasn't a Kyle but a Kylie

@@OrbitOnceAround no baby I guess

Yesn't

Well yes but actually no

Older John and John son of Kyle is different.

Then watch dark web series and also predestination movie

In some sense yes, but no

They should make this a movie and end the series there

I need to read this, where is it!!!?

😮😮😮

Holy sh*t thats dope actually

The Good ending 👍

This series shows us the timelines where neither side had completely lost the war yet. We don't see the timelines where Skynet or an analog of Skynet doesn't exist, or where humans have been completely eradicated. Only the ones where there's still something to fight for.

@@JohnPritzlaff Well yeah. Why waste resources as humans fighting robots you’ve already beaten, or vice versa?

It’s the prequel to the Matrix

Because the future is already decided & changes to the past are irrelevant 😭 & the future is inevitable… you can’t change it just prolong it

For all of us, who think exactly that and didn't bother with spin-offs, this sum-up is helpful though, now that we know what the spin-offs are all about.

Technically it did with dark fate terminating the franchise.

Correct

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@@DaScorpionSting That is 100% Facts

I remember watching the first part for the first time and being BLOWN AWAY by it. Personally, I liked the first one the most. A recommendation, if you like this franchise: watch the movie "Westworld" from 1973. In my opinion especially the parts where the robot is huntin the humans was a big inspiration for the Terminator franchise.

I agree!

Agreed, ofc it wasn't as good as Terminator 2 or the of but it was a good concept

@Yella E I've seen a few channels that hinted James Cameron wants to make a "future wars" Terminator (this is just what I heard on a coupla channels) Although, Magot Robbie seems ta be attached to it...ugh.

i'm with you man ..

Same

Both movies are connected to each other

It all comes together

Welp we gotta build some of these cyborgs do figure out! wait

It's very simple actually. Besides maybe the holes the last two movies did leave for next movies that never happened

@@pontoancora Exactly. Once you realize that this was the OG time travelling theory (grandfather paradox) and not the new understanding (Endgame Theory), then it's pretty simple. Endgame Theory is much less interesting imo with the rule being that altering the timeline only creates a new branch while the original time line continues but with the butterfly effect essentially having to follow 2 universes in a single story.

@@GameoftheYear-fx4mq this is a looping paradox of pre-destination and grandfather paradoxes. its loops within loops of loops that all work out into a alternate timeline where none of it ever happened. (the predestination paradox causes the entire paradox. John Connor is a paradox, that creates skynet.)

That’s actually a great theory

I like your idea. I personally like to believe that Skynet is beyond the concept of man vs machine. It multiplies its original existence with each different timelines where it can exists. As T2 and T3 kinda put it, there will always be a future where Skynet in. It is always building on itself as apparent in the ending of Genysis, all distaste for the movie aside. It knows that perpetuating events over and over again with different outcome will allow for one possibility where it can cease control over the entire paradox before the humans and end the cycle with Skynet having total control. This to me is a race to time. It's only a matter of time until an anomaly occurs in the paradox.

@@j6m3z I hadn't even considered the possibility of that, and it's an excellent interpretation that explains even more than a simple bootstrap paradox. We see the movies as a human audience might interpret the paradox, but as dismissively and simply as John put it in Genesys, the explanation is lost to a human. The original movie may not have even been the start of the timeline, we might have just seen the path that a singular timeline had followed. It would check out well...

I have always seen the movie as being well aware of itself being a paradox... I didn't specifically think about it existing in the past but the general idea (I believe) is that 'skynet' or some analog thereof will always exist at some point in time. SO the 'AI's whole prerogative is to ensure that it exists/starts/lasts as long as possible. But like you say maybe the paradox is the very thing that keeps it going. I think it would be a decent way of doing another film (although I am not sure it would do it justice) The way I see it the humans were obviously needed to create skynet/AI but considering the AI has mysterious ways of figuring out probabilities of possible futures... (not necessarily TRAVEL into the future but formulaic probabilities etc...) it may very well realize that without the human/AI conflict that there is no purpose for the AI (particularly in it's early stages... before it becomes more like a living organism and tries to colonize other planets etc...) Obviously it all gets a bit convoluted with time travel (just the nature of the beast) but maybe at some point it can collapse the paradox.

Actually that's what happens. With each fight Skynet changes, and the rules change.

@Neil Rosenau true but salvation focuses on events after judgement day and john leading the resistance to battle skynet soo to me terminator stopped at 4, genysis and dark fate isnt cannon to me

I liked Rise Of The Machines myself. The next two I don't care for, but Dark Fate was ok

@@jamesdixon6332 Dark fate is cringe feminist BS, no thanks. They were trying to push a woke agenda down everybody's throat instead of actually trying to create a continuity with the previous titles of the franchise. Arnold was visibly pissed off when he learned that the movie failed big time in cinemas.

no it isn't; that's Peter Kent

@Speaker of Thoughts, Free Speech Advocate Peter would appreciate the distinction. He's a good man and has some amazing stories.

The only thing I understand is that dark fate terminated the franchise.

@@DaScorpionSting how? Lol dark date was actually pretty good

@@alexflores4262 I agree, dark date was pretty cool, not sure about dark fate tho

@@ahmedwalid4819 Dark dates are the best dates, just don't go long term...

It was John homie

@@emealzhukov2769 you mean John Conor. His last name isn't "homie".

@@herosjourney8725 nerd

@@herosjourney8725 he didnt mean it like it he put em separately

@@herosjourney8725 the fact that you don’t what homies mean clearly shows you have none. Loser.

Agree like 3 John wasn't the savior no more it was his wife like wtf why didn't t1 go for her mom lol

Not nearly as bad as it was made out to be.

Big time

cause it's not a part of the storyline

I agree

@@willcusterjr2519 it is part of the storyline - it's an older John and it explains where Reese fits in

Yes

No, after Salvation, they went cash grabbed. 1, 2, 3, and Salvation all made sense and all had the idea of the Bootstrap paradox. The rest after that was just cash grab.

@@whocares2723 I liked salvation, but No.3 was ridiculous tbh. And then after that just got worse D:

@@SlipperyBream Well, 3 actually made sense for the whole storyline. So if you’re not aware of what the Bootstrap paradox is, it’s a when an object or person or anything is sent from the future to the past to ensure its existence in the future. Thus creating this loop cycle in which there isn’t an origin of the object or person. Kind of like the Egg or the Chicken situation. So the reason this applies to the Terminator franchise up til Salvation is because John Conner and Kyle Reece are both part of that Bootstrap paradox. In part 1, we see a young 20’s Kyle Reece get sent from the future to the past to save Sarah Conner. She later (in part 2) gives birth to John Conner who in the future becomes leader of the resistance. In part 3, we see John Conner age to his mid 20’s and then finds Katherine Brooster who in the future becomes his wife and then becomes the leader of the resistance after John was killed by a machine. In Salvation, we see both John and Katherine in their 40’s fighting the machines. And we get a view of how the future looks like. John also has to save Kyle Reece who in the past is his father. Kyle Reece during this time is in his mid teens. Which makes sense because he wasn’t sent back to the past until his mid 20’s. In Salvation, John is then tasked to save Kyle Reece because no Kyle means no John. And no John means no resistance. No resistance means no way for humanity to survive. That’s why John said in Salvation he wanted an extraction plan to get Kyle Reece out of the human camp the machines had him in. So after reading all of this, you can get why the Bootstrap paradox and 1, 2, 3, and Salvation all made sense. It had a purpose and actually made sense. After that, it was just cash grab because the film after Salvation had random loop holes and had Sarah and Kyle Reece jump around timelines as if they’re some kind of time god which makes absolutely no sense to the main plot of the franchise. The only thing main “thing” they wanted out of that film was for Arnold to say “I’ll be back”. That’s it. Otherwise, the storyline made no sense.

@@whocares2723 pretty much like the movie 12 Monkies with Bruce Willis

Terminator franchise is a mess, they should just continue on with Season 3. If Summer Glau is on board, I think they can pull it off with a new cast. She was the heart of the show.

Probably the guy with whom Sarah had a date. I think either the terminator or Kyle killed him.

There is no "to begin with", it's a paradox

This is like asking who the original Savitar was...

In the original UNALTERED TIMELINE before there was any time travel Sarah's date who didn't go with her was the guy in the phone, yet when in the future Skynet sent back the T-800 it officially altered the timeline we know in T1 and then Kyle was sent back to protect her

At this point, I've accepted the events of the first movie was by happenstance with similarities. In the future, John had a different father; he sends back Kyle Reese to protect his mother; however, Kyle messed up by his suggestive dialogue with Sarah using specific names and events. In turn, Sarah has her mind set on her son's name to be John. And that's another timeline because we know Judgement day is inevitable but the year it happens, is not. But we also know, somewhere in the US years later, a survivor couple had a son named Kyle, hence how John is older than Kyle. Definitively, John will be born, but his father will be different everytime until the events of Dark Fate because the new model sent back to save them is from the future where John and Skynet does not exist preventing T3. But judgment day still occurred this timeline.

did you honestly expect anything less considering Cameron was involved?

Plus a naked chick at the start didn’t deter men from watching it either.

I was actually pretty okay with T3, and somewhat okay with Salvation, even though it screwed up some pinacol parts, but the ones I can't forgive are Genysis and Woke Fate. In Genysis it was almost a parody of The Terminator, and Woke Fate is feminist Marxist feminist garbage where the commie left wanted to kill off John Connor cause he represented "toxic masculinity" or some shit like that. It's pretty much what all these reboot or woke written movies are about. The woke left turns everything they touch into a steaming pile of dog shit.

probley but got one more plug Arnold if willing do it.

@@davidguymon1673 I'm pretty sure that 95% of the "woke left" is all in your imagination. They've got you so worked up that you see feminists and commies hiding in every dark corner.

The thing I find fascinating about all of this is that over time these movies that are hot garbage, like T3, come to be accepted and revered by younger generations. I've noticed this phenomenon in many franchises. The Star Wars prequel trilogy was a mess, but to audiences that were too young to remember what Star Wars was like when the original trilogy released, now they look back on those movies with nostalgia and talk about how incredible they were. I remember people in the 90s saying how Star Trek TNG sucked and the original Star Trek was amazing. Today, everybody's talking about how Star Trek Discovery sucks and TNG was awesome. In 20 years, people will be commenting about how great Genisys and Dark Fate were, but how these new movies made in the 2040s are total garbage.

Not me, there's so much you could do with a premise like terminator ,also alot of the movies weren't greedy,t2,the chronicles

I think salvation is its own timeline because john leads the 2029 attack at the beginning the movie but sky net doesn't send a terminator to get Sara but every time he leads that attack that's sapossed to happen like in terminator 1

Also genisys is its own timeline

@@Axle1547 genisys is so weird

@@RJIS yeah it is

@@Axle1547 Salvation is set in 2018

Wait wym by that

@@PainplaysGames6 2029

@@PainplaysGames6 dude look at what year we are in lol

@@Splintz246 lol I’m back I’m a time traveler

Google is Skynet.

Terminator 3 resolved that paradox about John not existing by revealing there was no reality in which skynet would not exist. When the terminator goes back in the third one he explains as much. Makes me wonder why the terminator in the Judgement Day bothered to try and destroy Cyberdyn though.

@@DivkvanDyke6913 Skynet is trying to engineer a timeline where it wins the future war. In my opinion the terminator franchise has never had a causality loop as it is possible that the first film is not the original timeline. In this original timeline, john would have had a different father to kyle reese (which would explain why he looks different across movies). the timeline would be changed when john sends kyle reese back, making a second timeline where kyle is now the father. John now has knowledge of the future, but skynet is more advanced thanks to it being developed from the remaining parts of the t800 from the first movie. This would explain the t1000 in T2. essentially every time skynet or the resistance uses time travel a new timeline is created. in the timelines where skynet wins it has no reason to use time travel which is why we don't see terminators from those timelines.

This is making my head hurt the more I read

I think they use time travel differently then that in the movie I may be wrong but I did not want to read everyone’s comments.

I think the movie the time machine explains it best. if you go back in time to stop something, you can't stop it because if you did then there would be no reason for you to go back in time which means you won't be able to stop it.

I don’t think I’m gonna watch it because it’s too long and there’s no Arnold Schwarzenegger

@@ahmedwalid4819 give it a try! I felt the same way but I ended up loving it and it’s one of my favorite timelines

@@dsantiago1000 Yeah, FOX aGAIN screwed up a great Sci Fi show.

Agreed. It was canceled due to its expense and FOX choosing the awful 'Dollhouse' over it.

Yup loved it. I liked T3 and Salvation too. Genysis was meh and Dark Fate was utter trash.

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Yes, or maybe, genisys is standing totaly separate

@@danielkoval4546 Genisys is very hard to put it into the terminator timeline Genisys is like an alternative timeline to the first terminator movie

@@csmith3248 yes, exacly, for me it is a totaly different timeline

@@danielkoval4546 Yes I agree, it’s like dark fate is an alternative timeline to the rise of the machines, they both take place after Terminator 2 judgement day Genisys takes place roughly at the first terminator movie in an alternative timeline

@Banner Gusler It happened in 2016. We are in an alternate universe. A new earth.

Uhh is this new earth safe?

@@stingerplays5753 No its volatile. Didnt you witness when our democracy got threatened w the capital take over?

@@stephencorbitt2752 yeah they changed the future

lol u need help

Makes me appreciate Linda Hamilton even more

You’re not alone

I'm with you.

Whats her name…. Emelia Clarke that casted as Sarah was hot asf🥵

Underrated comment!!😂😂

He created himself which in of itself is paradoxical. Maybe it was a bug in the matrix

Likely because the actions of the 1st movie lead to the creations of skynet

@Xavier Woods cool no need to write a very long paragraph

Yea this is sorta what they mean by 'leaning into the paradox' I think another person had commented that perhaps the paradox is integral to 'skynet' (or AI analog of a different future) I think it would be a decent way of doing another film (although I am not sure it would do it justice) The way I see it the humans were obviously needed to create skynet/AI but considering the AI has mysterious ways of figuring out probabilities of possible futures... (not necessarily TRAVEL into the future but formulaic probabilities etc...) it may very well realize that without the human/AI conflict that there is no purpose for the AI (particularly in it's early stages... before it becomes more like a living organism and tries to colonize other planets etc...) Obviously it all gets a bit convoluted with time travel (just the nature of the beast) but maybe at some point it can collapse the paradox.

Damn, my childhood is ruined

But the action was badass tho

For me that would be Genesys

how so? true, killing your main charater was a bad idea, but maybe it HAD a point: whatever the gender, whatever the name or nametag, the TERMINATOR Future WILL Happen!!! just think about it!

Aaron: Correct!

Let’s be honest the real terminator franchise is the first two

We'll probably never get a future war movie.

@@yosefvargasx been hearing rumors.

Nah, that make no sense

@@pontoancora it does though, and future Terminator films show that there have been multiple time loops. Paradox occurs when you don’t know where one begins and one ends but with the scenario I proposed you can draw a single line with a clear progression. The original resistance leader could have been anyone, once the machines sent a terminator back in time the timeline they land in timeline they land in becomes brand new and the resistance leader in that timeline can be a completely new person. Even without Kyle Reese, Sarah could have had a son named John Connor with a man from her timeline. That son then grows up and sends Kyle Reese back in time who then impregnates Sarah creating a new and different John Connor. The original JC was never born in this timeline.

@@pontoancora when you timetravel, you don’t change your original timeline, you create a parallel universe where things happened differently starting from a certain point in time.

@@bigheadrhino "Paradox occurs when you don’t know where one begins and one ends" Exactly. Just like in Terminator movies. " the scenario I proposed you can draw a single line with a clear progression" Nope, John Connor ALWAYS was the leader of the resistance and his dad ALWAYS was Kyle Reese. The only reason he was the leader, is because he had knowledge of skynet when no other had. These knowledge could only being given vby his mother because of their experiences. Is just like a ourobouros, the end is the beginning. Over and over. Take one piece and all fall apart.

@@pontoancora the newer films already proved that different events have occurred in the same time frames meaning that it’s not an ouroboros paradox. So it’s not an “always” situation. In Genisys the 1984 this Kyle Reese goes to is already different than the one he went to in the original Terminator because it was altered in 1973, so the timeline is definitely not ‘locked’. Each time travel leads to a different future even if the change is slight. I know in the 3rd one John came to the conclusion, or maybe Arnie told him that the outcome could never change but that’s just what characters in that world believe to be true. The movies themselves tell a different story. My proposal is that there is a possible scenario that can act as an ‘origin’ which eliminates all paradoxes and works with the parallel universe model of time travel. In that model, the loop could have occurred a near infinite number of times already, evolving to the point it just feels like it always needs to go the same way in certain universes.

t3 ain’t the best my guy

@@jello1737 yeah it is. Best story. Best action. Not overacted. Great ending. Has it all.

@@EyeTunz T2 did that, but better

@@jello1737 Yeah I hear yeah you’re probably right. Something about the way Sarah and John are active seems over done to me in two. I like how John is portrayed in three better than I actually like that Sarah is not improve a little too intense

@@EyeTunz Its my personal preference

Thats the whole point, its all a loop John send Kyle back, kyle bangs sarah and they give birth to john, john grows up to be the leader and at the end send his friend kyle back to repeat the process

@@devinkimmel6289 I see what your saying but like how does Kyle become John’s friend in the future if he got killed in the past.

@@darthwarspite8544 Oh because he technically wasn't born yet, John meets him in the future as a kid, only his adult self did, so when hes born in whatever year after Judgment day john find him and it repeats

Kyle was same as child as john 1995 and it continued but in 2029 john sent back kyle kyle witham Sarah gave birth to john and he died and the loop continues

It’s called a causality loop Simla a predestination paradox.

It actually made was when Arnold said " this time I won't be back"

The Rock should be the new T800...

He was still part human...

@@MrPAULONEAL Check your dictionary! A cyborg is a human who has been 'enhanced' with robotic parts; in some cases the only human part left is the brain. An android is a robot

Ya I heard it’s decent especially having that lore the first two had.

I didn't even recognize him lol

@Minder Jahal to aew confirmed ew

Gee soooooo funny

I thought he was a Space Marine?