What's the story with all the adds....theres no justification for that many ...it absolutely spoils the documentary and make it impossible to watch...

Ok, I'll try it, it could be worth the money. 😎👍

who's the actress who played Elizabeth Woodville?

@@iansupremo6762 Her name is Adina Galupa.

Elizabeth Widville had influence in the death of the Duke of Clarence. Who was drown in a barrel of wine.

🤭🤭🤭 Indeed

Kinda like Joe Biden. 😂

He knew he should have been in control but he is watching helplessly that other people are. Doesn't know how to fix it

...in that case then, maybe he's the ancestor of Joe Biden.

Can one blame him? Being surrounded by those subhuman Aberrations, the level of trickery and cunning is off the charts, dissociating would come handy to the mind , but the body binds it enough

It made my day

history repeats itself

And not at all true. Elizabeth Woodville (or Wyldeville as it actually seems to have been) was gentry rather than yeomanry or peasant, and had been the wife of a knight (who had fought on the other side and had been killed at Towton). The Grey family which she had been married into were a knightly family with a long history and had a good deal of political savvy, which is how they quickly became so influential. 'Chavs' is a very poor description of them indeed. Incidentally, Edward's marriage to Elizabeth was almost certainly bigamous as he almost certainly married Eleanor Butler the widowed sister of the Duchess of Norfolk and daughter of the late John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury in 1461 a couple of months after the Battle of Towton. Eleanor was also young and attractive but was also of a strictly moral nature and would certainly have insisted on marriage before getting into bed with the amorous young king. She did not produce a child though and he appears to have tired of her. Having married her secretly allowed him to fail to acknowledge her. When he found Elizabeth she also insisted on being married before sleeping with him so again he married in secret but Elizabeth turned out to be incredibly fertile. Not only did she already have two sons, but she could pop out more children almost at will it seemed - she had seven children with Edward. Eleanor meanwhile acted consistently with how a married woman whose husband was absent would do and was otherwise kept quiet by Edward with regular gifts to both her and her former father in law and the management and dues of several manors, which were all stripped away from the family when she died and no longer needed to be bought off.

Crispvs1 I’m right there with you- Elizabeth was my 18x great grandmother through her first marriage to Sir Grey, and I can tell you, her family (and effectively mine, many many generations ago) were so far above what we are now. I dispute that she was a “chav,” in fact, she was also French noble on her mother’s side, and a descendant of Charlemagne. She was royal, just not the princess of France.

Being American, I thought he said "chaff," which also makes sense.....

welcome to the entirety of European political history, this is the norm

@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 If you think this happened in Europe only, then let us laugh.

@@elnationalista of course :)

That's why history is so much more fun and interesting than fiction!

The chinese even have a term for attacking the king/emperor for his own sake by removing evil ministers because it happens so often~ “清君侧” (roughly, to clean the king's sides)

HebaruSan I actually feel sorry for him sometimes.

Malik Khaleel yeah I mean he was used by everyone

I don't think the real Henry was this dumb as they're portraying, but yes, he had mental instabilities and wasn't the best of monarchs. I feel sorry for him.

He didn't get many lines.

Luis Sierra I wouldn’t say that. His father, Henry V, died when he was a baby, so he wasn’t around to “train” him to be king. He took the throne when he was a baby so he had a regent rule in his stead for years. Add to his mental health issues, it was no wonder he was in over his head.

We Memphians say they think with the head in their pants and not the one on their shoulders

I love how delicately the Brits put it "Led by his loins"

@@charlottecates2127 Aussies are decidedly more direct: "He thinks with his c*ck."

Well come on, as a 15th century King we'd probably all do the same 😏

Aren't we all like that?

He wants to stop violence with more violence. XD

VvBlackThornvV I heard that’s the only way you can fight fire too - with violence

Yes, he had enough of war, peace and prosperity were his goals.

It's peace through violence, don't cha know? 🤣

JJanse10 Especially when Timeline doesn't show endless episodes of Pawn Stars!

I'll second that Pawn Stars comment and add... Timeline also doesn't waste our time with programs about "ancient aliens" or gator hunting. Not even reality shows about making mostly historically inaccurate weapons. The History Channel should officially be renamed.

History channel wont stop trying to prove that everyone and every places is an ancient aliens. Lol

To be honest, some of the documentary in History Channel is not historically accurate.

true

Not as much as from someone's religion.

That's something we can never know, since religion often provides a a pretext for personal ambition.....

@@csmcmillion Yes. That too.

csmcmillion the Wars of the Roses wasn’t fought over religion

All of it

And Elizabeth had two SONS. She also survived giving birth to them, which must have been a positive thing for Edvard. She was also young enough to still be fertile.

Angel Singer plus Eleanor was a former French queen, and Elizabeth was just a Lancastrian war widow.

While status certainly was against Elizabeth, thinking about it, the Union between Henry II and Eleanor could easily be considered more scandalous... - Eleonor's marriage to Louis VII was, after all, annulled, not terminated by his death.

Nicky R. D I think people in their time would’ve consider both marriages scandalous regardless

@Gabriella: Yes, I agree. Utterly and completely. However, seeing how much of a hubbub it still causes when a royal marries someone who's divorced or how much trouble the Catholic church poses if a marriage is dissolved... - Thinking how it must have been back then, had me wonder why Eleanor's marriage to Henry didn't seem all that shocking at the time. But anyhow, that's why I put it so vaguely instead of making it a fact that it WAS perceived as being more scandalous. But as said, it technically COULD have.

And there usually is. History is many things, but "simple" is definitely not one of them.

This is a pretty good comment 😂

Wouldn’t be much of a show otherwise

I'll have to look up some of his novels.

I’m pretty sure he does do narrate at least some of this audiobooks.

Tywin Lannister : your grandson was the king!!! Kneel before him.

@@kensebego199 you are fool if you believe he was King. bow before Lord Paramount Tywin Lannuster, the Crownless King!

Lock the door when you go to the lavatory, My Lord

@@piermariobarozzi Well done that got a chuckle out of me

@Muffy Crosswire very loosely based

Don't go, you're contributing valuable historic detail.

Well said squire

That was actually very informative. Thanks

Also aren't they meant to be speaking some older form of English than we do. I get how its easier in modern english for us to follow whats being said but it would have been cool if they did it in the original 15th century english of the time

Lol 😂😂😂

knightshousegames maybe in his past life lol

knightshousegames 🤣🤣🤣

He just called him useless as i was reading this 😂😂

Cracks me up every time!

Second one is more honest.

Closer to our modern Aussie greeting; "G'day, how ya going mate?"

All the fault of Alexander Graham Bell. Till he invented the telephone there is no reported use of the word "Hello". Bell invented the term as what to say when you pick up a phone. Prior to the phone, greetings included body language showing your intentions. You could not do that when answering the phone, this the term "Hello" was invented. I read it is from Bell's work with the deaf but it is unclear how the word cane about (and some people give the credit for the term to Thomas Edison who also had problems with hearing AND improved the phone to make it more usable).

@Graeme Macmillan Also in the past people ate with their right hand & wiped their backside with their left hand! Sometimes even at the same time!

@Marcus b it stands for council house and violent. basically its a class-based insult in the uk

He's reading a script, dear.

He has done the Tudors. I’ve bought the documentary on Amazon. 😊

@@Research0digo lol

Yeah, and he's not exactly rough on the eyes either! 😝

@@Research0digo OK - but his presentation style is very unique . He goes to great length explaining the motives of why the Kings , Queens and nobility made the decisions they did . So he almost certainly wrote the script . Unfortunately , I can't find his episode on Longshanks . .

That's when everything started going down the tubes. Humiliating a powerful and dangerous man like Warwick (twice) was a really bad move even if he was trying to unite the nobles in order to bring stability. That was stupid.

This has Robb Stark written all over it. Avenging his wronged father, held to the highest position, only to lose it all over a woman and a disadvantageous marriage.

@@AllTheArtsy The Earl of Warwick sends his regards...

That is so true

@@AllTheArtsy Yup! that’s because the war of the roses was a very big influence on GRRM, he has said so himself. There are A LOT more similarities than just this one instance, there is a whole website dedicated to it and plenty of UKposts videos!

Shows how human these people are they just born in a position of power or better path to uncommon power. Im learning only God could reign a Kingdom tho men and women youths throughout time plotted though his given maze of twists turns

robert doran because that’s who inspired Robb’s character, the “War of the Five Kings” in Game of Thrones is based off this period in English history

robert doran I don’t think that was lust he probably actually liked her and knew nothing about the Frey girl

@@masechill3630 In the books it kind of was lust that turned to youthful love.

GRRM has confirmed that Game of Thrones has been inspired by the War of the Roses...

Another similarity is that they never lost on the battle field.

Until the king married a woman he wasn't supposed to marry. For Warwick, things went downhill from there.

Was about to comment on that, and this is the first comment I see xD.. maybe this was the origin of the "chav"

I had to LOL at that.

what even is a chav? is it some thing you brits say to confuse eveyone else?

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/rZd_mY2inH2Kzmw.html

chav is a person who does not have money but desperately wants the thing

They r all too young

It was well done. I didn't notice.

The placename is Cockermouth, a town in Cumbria.

@@mrsmarauder Just as bad.

@@mrsmarauder cockinmouth in cumbrella?

I laughed at that as well

@@carlholland3819 I AM WEAK!!!!!

Another shocking wrong against Richard !

Didn’t Richard also marry one of Warwick’s daughters? I know her name was Anne but I don’t know if she was related to Warwick or not.

Stephanie O'Neill Very weird considering Richard becomes one of the most famous kings in history

Can't have one of history's supposed bad guys having redeeming qualities, can we?

@Kota Possible, but Richard is a pretty important character to leave out. (They left out the second son, Edmund, who was executed after the battle their father died in, but that is understandable for the reason you suggest).

Because Dan Jones is a Student of David Starkey, who believes Richard lll to be as evil as Shakespeare portrayed him.. Dan Jones seems to believe this also...and I find it devalues him as a credible historian..led by nothing more than a playwright that was in the pay of Royalty. “ Unfortunately The victors live to change the truth.

Yes, edward is kinda cute.

Another good historical yarn, with similarly wild tales of ruthless power grabs and scheming for power, is Alexander's Successors. AKA the "Diadochi" wars. I recommend checking out some of the docs on those too if you find these things fascinating. Although many docs don't quite include all the crazy details as some books on the subject do.

And Elizabeth Woodville previously having been Isabella of France lol

What’s the link for the episode?

Haha...Dan is an educated softie.. GofT needs a wildman at the helm. Under Dan it might have ended up very circumspect.

@@leanie9660 Given how things have turned out .. Well, I'd rather have had more circumspection to be honest.

@@leavesinautumn5959 true . lol .

He likes facts not fiction

They wouldn't have had Norman helmets and full chainmail in the 15th century, they had full plate armor

Same! If only Richard & Edmund Beaufort my other ancestor didn’t dispute land! C’est la vie

How lucky for him to married Alice Beauchamp, Heiress of Henry Beauchamp Earl and Duke of Warwick.. After 8 generations of Earls of Warwick, each of them loyal to the throne, the opportunist Neville destroy the title and been declared traitor, He lost everything that his wife brought with her in that union...after her brother died she was the richest woman in all England... the Neuville family used to marry every women with Estate or Titles... Warwick Castle ii still to these days name Beauchamp Castle.... .... They we're My Ancestors.....

@@stephanbeauchamp5812 Hey I just did my genealogy I’m adopted & just found out my biological fathers fam line. How are you related Beauchamp or Neville line?? If your related to either line (I’m related to both on both maternal & paternal) we’re cousins, so many x removed but super cool!

The current earl of Derby has married an ancestor of Richard neville,his own great great great great great great great great great great sister😝

@@deturvilleashley3330 Join the Queue. there’s plenty of Brits who are descendants in front of you… 🤣🤣🇬🇧

Marriott

Thank you for sharing such wonderful information. I had no idea about the colleges. I agree with your assessment of Henry VI. I'm sure everyone just sees him as a weak and useless King but the amazing schools that he formed are still around today.

I like him too. So did my 15-greats-grandfather, who was knighted by him in 1470. Good guy. Liked the ladies.

His grandson Henry VIII did the same, married a subject.

Eh. I don't like leaders who think with their loins instead of their brains. Sorry, I tend to have sapiophilic tendencies.

Ok we all know this was directed at Henry. Poor guy never had a chance..😌

That part made me laugh too. I can't believe they said that

Yeah...You're off to The Tower. 😁

I did not see that coming.

Lol, a chav, not what you expect an historian to say. Woodville may well have been a chav but she was a witch also. Same as her daughter and many before them (like Eleanor of Aquatain , my spelling may be wrong here) and many after, inc Anne Boleyn.

I've never heard that term before and had to look it up. 😂

That when u sent them to Coventry. Its an old cockney saying. Which means shut your mouth u no longer exist. 23 mins in is the origins of that saying. Now thats history worth knowing. Its all so repetitive. We need a new educational system and inspiration that drives our young you tubers to learn something worth knowing. #discuss

JR Gracie Alcohol poisoning here I come.

Bahahaha... i'm playing this tonight. I know I'll be sloshed by the end of this series. 🤷🏽‍♀️😂😭

Don't forget every time he says "It was a massive miscalculation"

Just drink the whole bottle up 😅

Well even if he was stripped of the crown he would still be a threat to Edward's reign cause some people could rally under his name and claim to be fighting for his right to obtaining the crown

He might have been a better king had Henry V (his father) lived longer, tutoring him in how to be a great king. Henry VI was just a toddler when his father died.

He had several nervous breakdowns, and went into a stupor to protect his damaged psyche for 2 years. .

@@F40PH-2CAT Henry V was arguably one the greatest generals who ever lived. He was a military genius. But a king and mentor to his son? Idk. Henry VI was also legitimately mentally ill.

Naw he just wasn't King Material, he had Mentors and Tudors, he's a good example of why no one should have a blood right to rule.

Pretty damn tall as the real man was.

I wish he had long hair as the real Edward had

But Edward was blond...

@soul sessions tv Bdhrh I found Max Irons hammy I'm sorry to say. He didn't have any of the gravitas as Edward and was always upstaged by Rebecca Ferguson.

Tom Mole look up his portraits

Anne Neville actually did become queen when after the death of the Prince of Wales, her husband, she married Richard Duke of Gloucester who in turn would become King Richard III...

pretty much completely cut Edward of Westminster out of the story. Especially notable since it's only after he is killed at the battle of Tewksbury and there are no more potential rallying points for Lancastrian opposition to Edward that killing Henry VI is even an option.

Sadly there is not much about Edward of Westminster not on this and not on its own which is sad he died young and was left out of history for the most part

Thank you to everyone that wrote a reply. I gained so much valuable information out of every comment that was written. It added a great deal more to the documentary. I enjoy people that add to a narrative and increase the value of the documentary.

@@nickyr.2944 THIS. All this time I was thinking, well why keep putting the senile guy on the throne instead of just proclaiming his son by Margaret? Turns out that prince died at some point.

Sanja Bogdanovic Definitely Robb

With Gaveston as inspiration for Loras Tyrell.

Has been stated Robb = Young Edward IV, Robert Baratheon = Older Edward IV

Edward I is Tywin Lannister through and through.

@@patsfreakBut Tywin actually wasn't a good military commander.

he was lustful and he just didn't like it when the French kept saying that Warwick is the real king. But if i were him I would've just made up with the Woodvilles and continue to be the right hand man unfortunately his pride got the better of him.

Having a French queen stop the king of France in Edward the 2nds reign it wouldn't have stopped them at this time either. Having a french queen stops them for all of a decade no more then that.

Maybe but I think Edwards main concern was to unite England. A United England was much better Than an alince with France

No one else sees Edward was his own, Warwick would of controlled every part of him

The previous 4 times English kings married French princesses (Edward II, Richard II, Henry V, Henry VI) led to trouble for England from France one way or another. Edward III claimed the French throne by right of his mother, Isabella of France. Richard II was deposed, and Isabella of Valois vehemently refused to marry Henry V. Henry V married Catherine of Valois to bolster his claim to the French throne, only for everything to fall apart when he died. Henry VI married Margaret of Anjou (who was technically not a princess, but still Charles VII's niece) for peace with France, only to be double-crossed and lose 99% of English landholdings in France. Besides, xenophobia towards the French was rife. Edward made the right call. Uniting England was the bigger priority. The only reason it went south is because Warwick felt snubbed.

Yep. Edward IV=Jon Snow Elizabeth Woodville=Danaerys Targaryen Earl of Warwick=Ramsay Bolton It is funny how Jon Snow mentions the pincer movement in Game of Thrones and how Edward IV suffers the same thing from the Earl of Warwick. I guess Edward IV is like Robb Stark and like Jon Snow.

@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 Warwick=littlefinger

Yeah my thoughts exactly since the prev ep.

@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 no lol

Yeah, Lancaster = Targaryens, York = Baratheons..well thats how I see..some say it Lancaster = Lannister and York = Stark...but the Starks never wanted the throne and Jon kinda is Henry VII

Oops...

Yeah i mean he did kill off that entire family so he kinda made a point

Marrying a foreign princess to cement an alliance was the oldest royal diplomacy trick in the book; at that time, even someone whose knowledge of politics was limited would've known about it. It's not particularly new or innovative. Marrying the daughter of an enemy in order to make them your friend was less common.

@@Stardweller1 form an alliance with France vs form an alliance with a house?

Yes. That house was initially a domestic enemy, which can sometimes be at least as deadly as a foreign enemy. He may have seen turning an in-country rival into an ally as more important than forging a foreign alliance because then he might not have to worry as much about enemies at home (plus it would be a step towards unifying the country).

Plus, France and England had such a long, complicated, intertwined and violent history that it’s possible even a royal marriage wouldn’t be enough to cement a real, lasting alliance.

I know all of this. You can just google it. I also know the basic timeline of the War of the Roses and the major events in it, but a multi-part documentary series like this one just adds so much depth to the story, both visually and in terms of the intricacies and contexts of the major events. And I just don't have time to read books about the crusades to understand the intricacies and contexts that multi-part documentary series likes these provide, hence my request. All the documentaries I have found on the crusades seem to be either incredibly biased (one way or the other) or just flat-out bad.

I highly recommend Real Crusades History's Channel, J Stephen Roberts is excellent

Cheers, Skypig. I'll check it out :)

Roy Earle That's your twisted history . Omar ibn al khittab was one of the most just ruler who ever walked on this earth.

Hadeel Bashir Yep. The West, and Europe as a whole have trouble admitting to their bloody and shameful past. So they blame everyone but themselves. The fact is the Christian states declared a holy war on the Middle East specifically Palestine in a era of peace and prosperity for the Middle East. All because they didn't like the idea that the Muslims were the keepers for the holy sites.

@01101101 01100101 01101001 Appreciate the opinion. Tastes are different. Greetings from Serbia.

Europeans are not the most beautiful people. No race/ethnicity is more beautiful than another. There is beauty and ugly in every race.

He looks like Marshal from how I met your mother

BingoBangoBongo well, we may all be from different places and cultures, etc, but at the end of the day, we still breathe the same air and we are all human. If that’s laughable to you, then I feel bad for you. Also everyone regardless of where they come from deserves the same respect. Just because they’re not the “same” as you doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy of the same equal treatment. Deal with that.

01101101 01100101 01101001 yeah Justin Bieber is basic, this guy is😍

With all those Woodville connections, and his queen's mother being the former duchess of Bedford, Edward IV had plenty of family to forge new connections. And this family would be loyal to him alone!

Francis Hodges either way, he still had to pay a price for marrying a commoner

Gabrielia 69 ...he should have exercised his authority by telling Warwick that he wanted to marry as he pleased. Humiliating his greatest ally was a stupid move.

A Woodville cannot compare to a French princess. Aileen Macmillan has a point honesty not duplicity could have saved many lives.

@@TheKeithvidz Or I think the whole point WAS that Elizabeth wasn't a princess. She wouldn't have armies of her own and wouldn't ally herself with Warwick when the time came.

Deb Jesser I agree. The death of Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, and the only heir apparent to die in battle, should have been an event worth mentioning.

Battle of Barnet was 14 April 1471. Battle of Tewkesbury was 4 May 1471. About 3 weeks apart and saw the deaths of Earl of Warwick and then Edward of Westminster. With their deaths, it was all over. I'm stunned that the Prince's death doesn't even get a mention. But then again, they also didn't mention what Warwick and George, Duke of Clarence made George's wife (and Warwick's daughter), Isobel, go through. Poor woman was heavily pregnant when they fled to France and they dragged her along with them. A storm kept them from making the safety of harbour in France and she gave birth at sea, during the storm. Baby died. It's a miracle she didn't die herself.

@@Luubelaar Yeah Dan, tell us the whole story if you're doing a series! The BBC has money, they did the Plantagenets and that wasn't cheap.

Isn't every man?

His head below overpowered his head above

Jennifer Clark every man under 25 is

Gabriella And even some over 🙄

I can relate!

And the Archbishop in Richard II (The tyrant) video

The Irish empire JP He should have been careful what he wished for.

Poor dude right

Yes. Ha ha. Exactly. (But only to end up with bloodshed. It is actually quite sad.)

The Irish empire JP well in those days, you had to pay the price for such desires

What every man wants, no?

York was too influential and inflexible for the purposes the queen desired for a stooge. The queen wanted to rule, just as York desired to be Protector. There can only be one king.

Powerstruggle

@@schong163 Hm. Recently been reading Alison Weir’s primer on this. York’s aims only appear to have escalated as the situation developed, and as a direct consequence of the actions taken by Somerset and the Queen. He had been commander in France, held off King Charles’ forces effectively and competently before being replaced by Somerset who totally effed it up and lost everything. He was owed over 30,000 marks because he had been obliged to pay for the army’s keep over that time, and the court, while spending immense money feathering their own nests and driving the crown into debt, had not given him the money he needed. Then, when he returned home, he was excluded from council despite being the heir presumptive and being one of the greatest land-owning magnates in the land, and sent away to be Lieutenant of Ireland. He was entirely justified in seeing the Court faction, ie Somerset, as being incompetent and corrupt, and for wanting grievances redressed. The Queen and the court faction kept thwarting every effort he made to put things right. He didn’t start fighting until he’d been pushed into that last resort, had legitimately tried parliament, the council, and the king himself to get things righted. He didn’t even press his dynastic claim until he’d finally had enough. All of it could have been avoided.

@@mikereger1186 York may have been justified in considering Summerset as being corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent. But Summerset's elevation to Protector was because of his corruption, cowardice, and incompetence. King Henry was a weak king, and because he was weak, too competent and influential minister, such as York, was a threat to the monarchy.

Much of the damage could also been prevented if Edward IV had married a foreign princess, as Warwick advised. Personally, I do not think Edward intended to reveal his secret marriage. He probably presumed he could treat Elizabeth Woodville the same way he treated other "secret" wives. To have allowed Warwick to proceed so far with the French marriage plans when he was planning to announce he was already married was foolhardy. I think on the brink of announcing his plans to marry a French princess, Elizabeth Woodville said or did something to force his hand. It is possible he really loved Elizabeth Woodville but he would have been completely happy to have kept her as his mistress. With her constant attempts to aggrandize her family, Elizabeth Woodville caused an incredible amount of trouble. She was a real threat to the Earl of Warwick.

He's like, "Yeah, I heard that already. Nothing new. Let me finish my book."

🤣🤣🤣

'What the entire f is going on here'. Yeah could ask that about your comment.

Just fyi, the whole 4-part series is already available on UKposts.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to do a search for the rest.

It's literally called the same. It's just a different uploader. Just search for "Britain's Bloody Crown".

this is an old documentary , but i believe with new commentary. great to watch nevertheless.

Quite right !!

Poor lad

@@pr-tj5by ha ha.....SHE was expected to die and leave him a very wealthy boy ! Didn't turn out that way.

She ended up outliving him lol

Thank you for sharing this information. I also don't think the 65-year-old dowager duchess-minded being bedded by someone in his twenties. If indeed the marriage was ever consummated.

oh you clearly must mean Edward

@@seby826 Edward is boring lol

Warwick looks greasy

soul sessions tv Bdhrh Max irons sure is hot.

L Catterall 😂😂😂 Most of them look greasy.