Well said, stranger. Live long and prosper

In this decade many of those who constituted my culture of thinking will be aging out ;( Those 15 years from this discussion have gone blindingly fast. Every old videos from Peterson to Hitch from Ted to podcasts are like postcards from past like great books, a nice poem from the specific period of our lives. I was 25 when I did watch this, I will miss every person religious or not that was with us through those videos in that journey called life.

Noooo I wasn't even aware that professor Dennett passed away. Rest in piece.

Two of the four horsemen are now theists!

@@johnmeeks2799 But the question stands of which religion exactly? Spaghetti monster and the Holy Teapot I presume :)

Hahaha wtf

For Union Forever Hurrah boys Hurrah ..... LMAO. 👏🏼👏🏼

Sprayed my soda on my laptop lmaooooo

Haha 😂

john connolly God is a moron.

Agreed. As a Brit I love the Hitch, but Sam Harris is equally eloquent. Harris is also able to criticise quite strongly without being nasty. Which is a very cool trait.

Absolutely right!

Hes in heaven as Kurt Vonnegut would say!

@@miguelruiz7 No

@@miguelruiz7 He's debating God rn and he's winning.

@@jesterc.6763 hahaha1

Hi 'Sok--01', I miss Hitchens too; but since I am both an Atheist as well as an Existential, I well understand that though he(The Master) is no longer 'with-us'; he gave us his whole Being while here. We alone realize he actually is 'NoWhere'(see the organic disperse-ment of our own atoms and elements)--when we 'die' and rot-away, but NoLonger here. Master-Beings such as Mister Hitchens is otherwise 'extended' in leaps-and-bounds by those of us who fondly followed and remember him.

Seriously LOL 🙂

🤣🤣🤣🤣 damn he does look like Ben Stiller here

Hee hee hee excellent

One direction after DMT

May as well.....these folk are as arrogant as it gets

Market Hood called a conversation.

Actual adults, conversing on You Tube! :o

@@techtipsuk rare nowadays ;)

It's much easier when you agree with people 😉

"Would you mind if I disagree with you for a second" ..haha I agree, Cooper, so pleasant to watch

Indeed

@KEPLER - 666 his mind is not conscious , so he's resting , forever .

@KEPLER - 666 he is basically in a forever coma with zero consciousness, Not so bad.

@@EpicLemonMusic But jesus christ became alive again after the 3 day of being dead.

@@lightbeing8174 Nope, Jesus as a historical person never even existed in the first place. Another Myth of the bibles. But even if there was a jew named Jesus, he was never dead. Coulda been a coma, unconscious, brain dead, etc and the dumb ignorant peasants of ancient desert would have been known to the wiser.

he doesnt know a lot

@@ovaismir6618 unlike you, he knows quite alot.

@@davidkariu2330 you talk like his disciple.

​@@ovaismir6618you are right, wise men know they know nothing but unfortunately fools think they know everything.

@@longstrobe2547 I am glad you realised he is a fool

It's a damn shame that comment only has 30 likes

@@markbaker5599 but its having a good day, I nearly spit coffee when I read it.

You mean death and hopelessness

AProtoHuman and curious people.

@@gman4074 please live a long happy life a long way me and my rational friends.

He is the guy they will be quoting centuries from now. If religion lasts that long.

@@TonyEnglandUK unfortunately it will. Humans will never grow up and accept that death is apart of life

I always say to myself if I could have Hitchens’ words with Harris’s even tone and pace, I would be president of the world. Unachievable goals but worth wishing for.

Fo. Sho.

@@Shiggystardust Sadly you are right and they will persecute or murder anyone who thinks for themselves if they can get away with it.

Thanks, Alice!

thank you very much!

Thank you @AliceAttentio…

Nice screen name. Here's a bag of attention for you --> 👜

Thanks ❤️

He will burn in hell. Just kidding he will only rot in the ground that’s all.

Oh how much I hope for the next generation of religious people to be less arrogant and more logical....

@@pranavlimaye Or no religion at all.

@@nomore5668 yup why not. We can hope

Well your pastor is subjectively right. He truly believes and taking that from him could potentially make him miserable. The problem comes when you impose your subjective truth to other people. Tolstoy was not a stupid person, in the essay "A Confession" in his late life after heavy suicidal depression he turns into religion, finding some meaning (He saw and experienced a lot in his life). Is this "self-illusion tale" bad ? Not necessarily.

We are the better men for having heard and understood. The world is less since he is gone, but infinitely more because of what he left for us to pick up, and carry on. Carry on his torch, proudly, unyielding, for the victory, however elusive, is always on the path of the righteous men.

Harris actually became more eloquent in the presence of Hitchens as opposed to his normally direct, blunt way of speaking. No offense at all meant to Harris. He's incredibly intelligent as well. However, Hitchens was in a league of his own.

SeriouslyKidding Beautifully put. He will never be replaced. Like Stephen Fry, John Cleese, Michael Buerk, David Attenborough.

trexfan2 ilovetoboogie Thanks! :-D

+SeriouslyKidding bit gay

One of them turned out to be a joke. Guess which one? LOL

@Allan No they were not

@@cnn8420I’m actually curious which one think that is? I disagree with you regardless because none of them turned out to be jokes but I’d like to know which one.

Could you imagine Hitches reaction to this current state of affairs in America? "That's offensive'' has only gotten worse

I agree. I should probably spend less time looking at memes, and more time listening to awesome discussions like these....

Net teacher mean to tell sheep from the goat !

Manitou, they are just four fools. Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically. ---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at: Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/ www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe. Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God. Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.

@@2fast2block um, ok. Sorry but that last paragraph is just, wow. The world takes all kinds, i guess, and we could not be more different. "Real science says nothing does nothing" typed on an electronic computer, sent over the internet. Dont mean to insult you, but your seeming understanding of what science even is, is deluded and tenuous at best. Glad faith works for you, but it means absolutely nothing positive to me.

@@SCQT "Dont mean to insult you, but your seeming understanding of what science even is, is deluded and tenuous at best." Let me know when you actually have some evidence against what I wrote besides your word farts to fill in space.

It is even better now. Incredible conversation.

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Yes never forget!

There's no such thing as 'their god' or 'our god', there's One GOD. GOD: everything, everywhere & everyone: Father, Mother, Son, Daughter & Holy Spirit - the Holy Cross(5 letters)). System-as-a-whole/all of Nature. All-seeing Father Sun sends energy, heat, light & information to Mother Earth & mOOn: Sun + Earth + Moon = ooo = god. Universe as omniscient quantum super-computer/Akashic Records/Zero-Point Field/Lahw-i Mahfoos/†he 1 Mind. The Truth & Justice. The Greater GOOD. 12 aspects of time + infinite hydrogen + infinite universes + infinite pain & pleasure. - Seal #5 See 7seals.blogspot.com - only the returned Christ & Albert Einstein reincarnated could produce that. It's triggered The Apocalypse/Revelation which is NOT the 'end of the world'. On Feb. 11, COVID-19 was added to Seal #4: S=19 (18.6) Theory.

Same here

If enough of us try to follow in the footsteps of these 4, one of us might actually succeed. To the next generation of anti-theists!

Y’all make me wonder if humans can’t help but have a god. Some of these commenters have definitely defied these men. I don’t mean this disrespectfully either. I genuinely wonder now if we can’t help it but make gods in our lives.

@@ryanspurlock9516 do you mean deified?

Pranav Limaye yes. I apologize for the mess up. My phone autocorrected the word.

@@ryanspurlock9516 alright. Well, I would say that we humans have an intrinsic tendency to join like-minded communities built on the appreciation of common heroes. But I believe that if we keep an open mind, and even criticize our idols (like these 4 gentlemen) on their shortcomings, we WILL have the right to confidently say, "No. I am not deifying this person. It's merely respect and appreciation, and this is very much unlike the deification of kings, popes, etc."

Underrated comment

Hilarious and accurate 😂

WOW!!!!! you can't unsee it

Shapeshifter

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Strongly recommend you watch more of these vastly intelligent men or read some of their books. Dawkins on particular is one of my favourite authors, he is very articulate and his books very well written.

The dumbass is dead, not resting.

@@2fast2block oh waaait a minute.... Don't you sheep believe in souls? In an afterlife? Don't you Christians say "rest in peace" to the dead? Boom, gotcha. You just contradicted your own faith and will therefore *BURN IN HELL!*

@@pranavlimaye "Boom, gotcha." All you've got is a dumb ass syndrome. "In an afterlife?" Just as I said, the dumbass is dead. He's not anywhere. There is no conscience. Even Christians are DEAD. Rather than explain anything to a bozo like you, show that you know what the bible is saying. For years I used to go through verses you dumbasses have no idea what you're talking about and clarify things in not only the context, but the whole picture. Then the dumbasses would just deny it all even though they had no proof why and go to anther bible subject they were dumbasses about. The bible says the fools have no delight in understanding. This shows even with the beginning, creation. Fools set their pattern from the beginning that they don't care about being logical, honest and scientific in their approach to the evidence, they just want what they want and to hell with truth. So, show that you cherish a good pattern about creation and what follows.Show that you went through the bible and just didn't jump around but started with a logical process. Did you ever read the first verse of the bible about the supernatural creation done by the supernatural creator, God? If you want to mock God, then you should have great evidence that creation happened all on its own. There is NO proof of that. Only a fool will even think that and accept it. Once that's accepted, then all the rest of foolish thoughts not caring about details will follow. Here is a great example of what a fool accepts. They started it by accepting a natural creation and is not embarrassed to show their ignorance from that point on. So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened.

@@2fast2block Blah blah blah, you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away.

@@chingoputoh7969 "Blah blah blah, you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away." How are you to understand what happens after life when you don't care to know about why we have this life? Anyone can say anything. There is a logical way to approach things besides your "Blah blah blah,". We have life in this universe, a universe that got here somehow. Are you with me so far or is the hurting your brain capacity? Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust based on reasonable evidence. Faith (trust) comes by hearing the word of God. I don't trust God because I could disprove what He said in the bible. You don't like me saying how the bible starts with a supernatural creation. You fart out, "you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away." I already said "So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened." If I've "got nothing" and you have something, then give your version how we got the universe without God. Or, just keep rubbing your pussy acting as if you are smart.

I am curious to see whether the next generation (us) will produce an aggressive intellectual even CLOSE to Hitchens' level. With the problem of climate change deniers, flat earthers, etc. only getting worse, we need a lot of people like him

I think you will find that his views and beliefs will become quickly irrelevant as science advances. I'm sure his family misses him though...

@@SavedbyHim to the contrary, i believe that people will find your views to be irrelevant as scientific literacy keeps increasing. I've been reading your other comments on this video, and you have a VERY outdated (much like your religion) opinion about atheism. Atheism has NOTHING to do with what we think about love. I guarantee you, most atheists believe that love is a beautiful (almost....sacred) emotion resulting from complex events in the brain and body. Love was never about logic or reason. So yes, it's "irrational" for robots maybe but we aren't robots so we don't care. Love is cool.

@@pranavlimaye so beautifully put

@@khumomatlakane2009 thank you :)

Learn the difference between intelligent, and genius. There are NO geniuses on this panel; just very talented intellectuals. Hitchens was also a very gifted writer. None of them -- not ONE of them! -- ever debated a religious intellectual on their level. And they are out there…just couldn’t be bothered.

@@dorothysay8327 what people didn't they debate? Hitchins, famously, clashed with anyone who wanted a piece of him. Please name an intelectual "on his level" that he feared?

@@dorothysay8327 I mean I'm probably being a little hyperbolic when I say genius but you know what I mean just very intelligent people having conversations about interesting things

@@dorothysay8327 Who couldn't be bothered? Them? Or the "Religious Intellectuals? And Hitchens HAS debated some very serious people. Rabbi David Wolpe is no intellectual lightweight. I don't subscribe to his views but he articulates them as well as anyone in the business. Not one of them ever "ducked" debating anyone of consequence. If the "Serious Theologians" you speak of were not debated...it was their choice. And probably because they knew the inevitable outcome.

@@dorothysay8327 There are no religious individuals who could match their intellect.

O.k🙄

@@johnmiltonkeynes by "species" do you mean animals or different types of humans

Considering Gangnam Style has over a billion views, I am much less filled with hope for humanity...

@@millardfilmore1403 Why'd you have to go and ruin it?? 😅

@@millardfilmore1403 mate Hope, faith and charity are not optional in any sense. They are a must. If my memory services these are Theological virtues which are superior to the Cardinal Virtues like courage, temperance, prudence etc.

Thank you for writing this comment and thanking them. I also find this a very beautiful part of not being religious anymore. Instead of always thanking god for everything I actually spend time thinking about all the hard work of everyday people in making great things happen, and sometimes thanking them too. It’s such a beautiful thing for another person to get acknowledgement, rather than a god

@@leonardburca1154 I'm not particularly religious, but I am spiritual and give thanks for the blessings of ambition which I did not choose to have, but was gifted with at birth. The Greeks had a word, "hubris" which meant not just pride, but the prideful ignorance in thinking that one can accomplish anything without having been given the gift of ambition and other tools necessary for success (a teacher to show you how to apply yourself, the resources in your area that you can exploit, . They suggest "the gods" give these tools, but I prefer the term "higher power", whom I make no claims as to their characteristics other than as the original spark that got the whole thing moving. Do you believe that you choose to push food through your digestive system? Are you responsible for every blink of your eye? Did you choose the conditions of your birth, including your parents and region you were born in? Do you leave no room in your world for a creator or even a narrator of sorts of the events in your life which you have no control over? Does the fact that this world was created imply a creator? Forget about all the fantastical abilities ascribed to such a creator being but various religions, but can we at least agree that the big bang occurred and that at least is worth giving thanks for? Imagine if it had not transpired. I don't mind appreciating others for their accomplishments, but I also recognize everyone was given different life experiences that lead to their motivations and potentialities, and we should be thankful for the blessings we have no control over.

@@chrismullaney9042 that's silly you wouldn't be blessed or gifted with ambition, it's a sin, biblically speaking of course, or was before the awakening of religion.

@@andygirone7442 is this a joke? It's tough to tell on the emotionally flat platform of a UKposts comment section.

@@chrismullaney9042 is what a joke? Sin? Blessings? Gifts? Which one is a joke to you? Ambition possiblity? Do babies that fail to thrive fall under the gifted or blessed? Or did the "higher power" that shall not be named feel them unworthy of the sinful ambition? I wonder about adults who all of a sudden lose ambition, did the "higher power" take it away? How would you know? You made the claim that ambition is a gift and or blessing. prove it's not a "sin" instead the burden is on you. Or what maybe ambition is a burden that you were cursed with? Does the "higher power" that shall not be named do curses?

I belong in that room. Those guys must have needed a coffee at some point.

@@TonyEnglandUK 😂😂

If you think this is one of the greatest conversations ever you really need to broaden your horizons

@@electricrice any on your horizons you might recommend?

This interview is brand new and I think it's a very good place to start ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qKGKnqmDmpx2kps.html

He died as he lived and in my eyes he brought more to the world than many people do in nearly twice his years. Rest easy Hitch

@Bloodraven Guess what Hitch would have said to you about the sig idea 😁

The brightest candles burn faster.

Just enjoy cancer

Fuck heroes

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You must be one hell of a no-brainer.

​@@henryscots6615whoever you loaned your single brain cell please tell them you need it back!

You do know that Sam Harris has recently stated he has been contacted by high up bods in the US military to help get the information out that there are ‘unidentifiable craft’ in the airspace. There’s a good chance that these craft might have been around for decades and possibly thousands of years. He says ‘we may owe some people an apology’. Shame Hitch is no longer around to get the update on this. Ancient people might have been telling the truth all along….well I never !😃

@@MultiBikerboy1 Atheist do not rule out the existence of other intelligent life, quite the opposite; religion professes that humans are created and the only "creation" of meaningful life. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

@James Evans my point James is that ancient people most likely saw these craft as well and treated the occupants as gods. The truth that they exist is now rolling out in the US after decades of denial, and they (wisely IMHO) have got thinkers like Sam Harris to help brief it out to the masses. If you are familiar with the Christmas song by Chris Deberg ‘A spaceman came travelling’ it spells it out exactly. How am I so sure these craft exist? Well I saw one albeit for only 4 secs one evening in the 70’s. I’ve been waiting for over 50 years for the great fess up to take place. Humanity needs to know at last.

Agreed. And also, yes, Black Sabbath does matter.

@@jamesevans909 imagine believing crazy aliens on the stars , but ridiculing others for reasonable thinking.

@Hufflepunk I believe it is gullible, conspiracy theory-sharing cretins like this "All Seeing Eye of" whatever who make you feel weary. Do not worry, my friend. There are more of us than fanatical cultists like these in the world. :)

@AllSeeingEye ofGod It's almost cute how much effort you put in to sound mildly lucid on the internet. Also, I would rather read the back of a dozen Kelloggs cornflakes packets than go through misinformed drivel from someone with a troll account online, mate, thanks.

***** Why yes, of course ;) Because mythical stories that originated out of Egypt are always true teehee!

***** Mm hmm ;)

***** - Hell is the most disgusting belief a man can behold. Congrats.

I'd engage in a proper dialogue with you but I'm convinced you're trolling. Throughout life you'll meet a lot of really great people that are not religious. I hope you learn to be tolerant.

You come into this forum and say that hell is true? That is trolling. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DO NOT. SO STOP SPEAKING LIKE YOU DO. /end of story. Learn to logic.

And they all have the IQ of a horse.

@@rasmith_99 How childish

@@r8revolver773 except for Harris. He’s got the IQ of a turnip.

@Jhulir Harris book is circular reasoning. It’s complete garbage. And been easily pointed out and debunked.

@Jhulir the scientific community; peer reviews.

A decent conversation amongst dumbasses.

@@2fast2block ...and trolling is intelligent?

@@GuitarDog_atx oh, I didn't realize this was a public video. Evidently, it's a private video only to be watched and commented on by dumbasses who believe these dumbasses. If you're not, then you're called a troll. They are a dumbass just as you are a dumbass who believes your god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof. Shove this up your dumb ass and see if it reaches your head way up there: The atheist/agnostic god. I HATE your god, the god of nothing. Your god claims to have given us the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. Your god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes them nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing. www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html The true God beats the crap out of the atheist/agnostic god of nothing. It's the atheistic/agnostic types that supply the greatest comedy. They think the universe came about by natural means. There's NO science for it and ALL the science we know proves that creation had to be supernatural and done by a supernatural creator, but...., not to atheists/agnostics. Isn't that funny?! You can't do it because you devoted your life to the god of nothing and love being a dumbass. ----Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.----- Then the extreme order we have in our universe that defies all physics, but....., not to atheists/agnostics. It's just happened by mere chances even though we prove it can't happen by chance. Funny! www.inplainsite.org/html/anthropic_principles.html kgov.com/fine-tuning-of-the-universe And life? Well, it just came from non-life. It's so absurd it's even hard to type that, but....., atheists/agnostics claim to believe it happened somehow by natural means. Again, funny! Many have brought up such issues how funny it is, including James Tour. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/soVogK2uZKlzsZs.html ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qmSkhGd8aICVwI0.html ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kZ2boKiubX2erIk.html ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hGBenJ2KoaSgznU.html ukposts.info/have/v-deo/bXGJn6iaaYWE1Gg.html Ribosomes had to be there for life but ribosomes are far too sophisticated. creation.com/media-center/youtube/ribosome-the-most-sophistcated-machine-ever-made?Ribosome%3A+the+%22most+sophistcated+machine+ever+made%22&.creation.com&Creation.com+Daily+-+US+-+Sun+09+Feb+2020+-+1009 Then, what this life did after it started by mere chance can't happen by science, but....., atheists/agnostics believe it did. Funny! Life takes information to form and proceed on. But to atheists/agnostics, chaos through time gave us information. Although it's even hard to write such a ridiculous statement, they believe it. All one can do is laugh at such stupidity. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mXFeepmlg6l3kps.html ukposts.info/have/v-deo/b5NqhJeRsamipps.html creation.com/laws-of-information-1 creation.com/laws-of-information-2 Only fools don't believe God was involved. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gpl-pbCFlo-EuYk.html I've kept this very basic and brief. I can provide much deeper, yet there's no need to since each point proves there is no explanation for such things to have happened naturally. This IS evidence against such things happening naturally. Lame excuses of why it can still have happened naturally with no science to support it are just that, lame excuses. There's a ton more. If you want a laugh, see what atheists/agnostics believe.

@@2fast2block Cool. Life and the Universe came from God if you say so. Now DO tell me, *Where did God come from?* From nothing? *Then why can't the universe come from nothing?* Ever used your brain like that? Dipshit

@@2fast2block Sorry I would like to make a correction. You aren't a dipshit. You're a thick-skinned dipshit. I hope you don't ever have kids. Not gonna waste more of my time, I'm out.

I am watching this delightful conversation and imagining that these men are conversing about theism and statism as if one were indistinguishable from the other. My problem with atheism.

Robert Johnson Amen! I had the same thought.. about 30 times ;) So glad at least one other person on this pretty blue ball thinks similar to me, Robert. In any case, I kept thinking how to apply these same ideological arguments to statism. My thought, referring to the OP, was "now, do you apply this 'fooling yourself' argument to statist ideology?" Of course they don't. Most of them are funded by various states. Few bite the hand that feeds them. In part 2, Hitch even specifically states that people have "confirmation bias" in how they might hate statism, but still cough up the rental fees. He even says that this is a way in which confirmation bias is useful!?

Kon Berner​ Which is more destructive?

Robert Johnson In my eyes, all ideologies are equally destructive (ala Richard's point that as soon as things are taken on faith, the game is already lost), but... I take your point... the primary injustices still emanate from the priests of the political variety. That said, one step at a time :) These gentlemen at least introduced reason into a low hanging fruit, and I am extremely grateful to them.

Richard has a 30-year history of not letting the facts stand in the way of his world view. He is great at changing the subject with a red-herring or two. He also has many incoherent logical dodges "Who created God? Missing the point that has been made by philosophers for 2600 years that there must be an uncaused cause to start off this whole Universe. But he feigns ignorance so well, you'd think the old boy had never had a philosophy class in his life. That's genius!

Acey Hadrian we are flies on the wall :)

Flies on what? Bravo You'd think by your words you veiw them 4 as gods themselves with that idolatry. The Irony is amazing (Dawkins is a pompous bitter man)

carpejkdiem By your logic, because I appreciate the work and intellect of someone, therefore I view them as a god??? Some logic, you must be a theist. Thats cool tho, you can be whatever you want to be. But dont assume because it just makes you look stupid. No I dont view any HUMAN as a god, I dont believe in god because god does not exist..... Do you believe in Zeus, Apollo, Huitzilopotchli, Thor, Dionysus, Athena, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna????? DO you??? If you do not then you are an Atheist when it comes to those gods. Because you do not believe in them, therefore you are an atheist when it comes to them. You See I just go one god further. Now please have a nice night and do not assume and make stupid statements because you just look dumb Thanks

Acey Hadrian Don't get me started. Now you're just being foolish and speaking from plain ignorance. And it's definitely not bliss!- blessings2u

carpejkdiem ROFL haha speaking of ignorance, you sure are one to talk. You have to compartmentalize the juxtaposition of your faith and science, or you just dont believe in science at all, I dont know because I dont know you, so I dont know what you believe, and I dont care, because your beliefs are your own, and are not scientific facts. You speak of nonsense, I am very well versed in religion, I have a degree in religious studies, and I just wrote my dissertation on the Second Great Awakening, where I argue that BECAUSE of the 2nd Great Awakening, is why we have all the Splinter Protestant Denominations today. Why Christianity is so wide spread and how Charles Finney changed Christianity forever, just like Martin Luther and John Calvin did during the Protestant Reformation. When the Original version (Catholicism) of Christianity split into two. I know the Old Testament and New Testament extremely well, especially the History of Religion. So I hope I did get you started, because I think this conversation just got interesting. Please I would love to hear your input. You call me foolish for pointing out a VALID point. And you cant take it..... Bring it Buddy :) But Please have a nice evening :) :) :)

Highly intelligent means shit all then. They all drink a known neurotoxins. Literally killing their intelligence. How smart can you be if you are willingly killing your intelligence like that? Not very smart I'd say ...

I liked Hitchens and I enjoy listening to Dawkins but their intelligence is overrated. Of course they are all intelligent but then again so are countless millions of others.

@@agnidas5816 says the twat on UKposts. With no vices?

@@firstaddz8100 where can I find your accolades from your peers? Where do people claim how intelligent you are? Where can I find the accolades of the millions you speak of? You make claims with no evidence and no way of proving such a claim. Must be religious? Some people put themselves out there, and some people (you) hide behind and anonymity online, so no one will ever know you or your thoughts. Pathetic.

João Pimentel Ferreira He continued doing it partly because of vanity I think. He liked the image it created. Look at how he sits with his legs half-crossed the whole time. Can’t be comfy to continually maintain it, but it makes him look a bit more...intellectual?

It's not that he didn't take his health seriously. It's that he took the pleasures of things in life more seriously. He spoke many times why He continued to smoke and drink even after his health took a bad turn.

@@yington nothing to do with vanity. Everything to do with his mentality of, "I only live once, so I'm going to enjoy all of life's vices til they I'll me".

@@thedevil3890 This is promoting self damaging behaviour. Willingly hurting once body and spirit for the sake of pleasure is a truly degenerate behaviour and large part of why our modern society is how it is. He was an alcoholic and he couldn't quit it and the rest are excuses.

If he had put down the cigarettes and booze and women, his thinking, writing, and speaking would not have been infused with the rebellious and passionate streak that fuelled it.

I thought he said "for them all." Regardless, great quote. Hitch truly had an incredible way with words.

It’s not 18 years later

This was recorded in 2007 IIRC.

​@insight827 sorry I have PTSD after 28yrs of The Lawnmower of Death rolling along 28:43 I can't stop watching this in short blasts 29:33 Sam, great stuff 👏 29:57 😂 Kretin? 30:18 🎉great story 👌 30:36 🎉😂🎉😂 30:42 Stay Silly Stay Safe and Stay Free 🌐 No god's required

Vladimir Sukmeovf amen 🙏🏼

Yeah right......, I don't think so man....... These four are the killers of True Happiness and the destructions of Oneself..... Where is intelligent in that ????

More than the american senate for sure.

More brain power than all the religions and woo put together

@@Sralaineo- I love how no one graces you with a response. Mostly because you don't actually bring up a point. You adhere to an abstract concept that is entirely subjective. So no, if you insist on criticizing such brilliant mjnds you're going to need more than that.

Don't let him hear you call him Chris though 😊

@@anthonycook8703 indeed.

***** Amen! Hail Satan!

Amen! Hail Santa!

@@zetetick395 Hi! I have dailysex. I mean, dyslexia!

Nature is far from man’s conception of logic.

@@stuartherrmann228 what man? Speak for yourself, because you don't speak for me.

Cheers! I'll have a single malt!

Carl - this discussion gives far more to the human race than millennia of religious bollocks ever has. Phil.

@@tinaa9231 If only enough of the human race was receptive to this sort of discourse. 🙍‍♂

one of the 4 rationalists killed himself through excess smoking and addiction ,pretty rational

Well done Seth. Escaping the lying shackles of religion is a great achievement. 👍

There's something comforting about watching Hitch raise a tumbler and a cigarette to his mouth between his comments.

@@upturnedblousecollar5811 absolutely! His calm demeanor and cadence is just good for the soul.

me too bro. And we miss Hitch so much

@@CaslavMitic Pozdrav Cale! 👋😉

@@dusanninic9572 Poooz Dušaneee ;)

اذا متت عحالك هذه انت وهم راح تسيروا تتبرأوا و تلعنوا بعض يوم القيامة

Right, as he self destroys and sucks on a cigarette. But his opinion on life and value of human life matters....that's a joke

@@21divel So the only critic you have is his personality and not the facts or his ideas he is saying? tells more about you than him. :)

@@Robertoxy You guys call it natural selection. Lol nothing to do with personality. And he had fits when talking about circumcision. Thats the joke and all idiots cheered him on. Now they're sad because he smoked himself to death.

Religious opinion is merely an opinon based on a belief system. An examined, nunaced opinion based on factual analysis could easily coincide with religious opinion. In the grand scheme, how do we know what is wrong? We cannot see the eyes that veiw us in the far future.

@@NothingHumanisAlientoMe Religious opinion is merely an argument of ingorance.

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