Russo-Turkish war 1877-78?

Hey mapsinanutshell, great video! Can you share your sources for these movements? Or are they just approximations? :)

​@@TheSlazzerHe traced the whole of Here mapping video on the Franco Prussian War

@oajajaj haha OK. But where did he get the information about where? How many soldiers? Were moving at any given time of the video. These day by day videos make it seem like there's a "perfect" historical record when reality must be more blurry. Unless you read literally every divisions' or army corps' history. Which would be a task that would take a historian, perhaps a decade. So I'm just asking what approximations were made and what was used as a source, to get an idea how authentic it is. That doesn't take away from my appreciation for this video BTW :)

@@TheSlazzer Yeah it's okay because here mappings video on the subject is the most accurate video on the war

Não existia linha Maginot ainda

lmao

The shortest route isn't always the easiest one, although tbf this was the easiest route in this war. By the time WW1 started, the French had learned their lesson. Massive defences were built along the Franc-German border, which would later become the Maginot line for WW2. Trying an invasion through there would result in massive casualties.

Well maybe that tells us something, but either way Belgium should always be the obvious choice

Northern French and the Dutch are just swamp Germans

A bit silly of the French to give it a go considering they, the British and the rest of the coalition learned against and beat their best tactician in years.

​@@saldjkalskdjasldkjaFrance didn't expect German state to be part of the war. It's all due to Bismarck who managed to totally brained French état major

In these times going on offensive wasnt equal to suffering more losses

Normally in a pitch battle germans were the ones to suffer more loses from their tactics, but it enable them to outmenuvers the french force I assume the french casualties are because of the captured troops, and prussian superior artillery

Prussians were practically super soldiers. One of them could do the work of four soldiers from any other country.

I mean the German leadership during the Franco Prussian war was much more bold compared to the causious aged generals of ww1

​@@scezich6126Yeah you gotta keep in mind that in WWI germany was also facing UK in the western front and Russia in the east, the 2 wars are not comparable

​@@blackpaint9093yeah and adding to that, there is a huge difference in weaponry in those fifty years

In WW1 industry was producing greatly more arms. The Russian industry that still was using steam power sources instead of electricity power sources has collapsed the first one.

@@scezich6126the Prussians were also first to the battlefield due to making the trains run on time and so the French were mostly disorganized

Same thing with Chile. They were going to bring in French marshals to train their military officers but opted for Prussians instead after this war. Those officers then advised the Chileans go to war with Bolivia and Peru in which Chile won. They still have annual Prussian military parades that are straight out of 1914.

Very knowledgeable! amazing! Japan's Meiji constitution was based on that of the German Empire.

Army yes, for there Navy they used the best consultants at sea (Britain)

That's absurd, French officers were very good. I mean, when they were taking over parts of Africa, and when working with actual maps of the region instead of gallivanting aimlessly in the Belgian countryside without knowing where to go to find Prussians to fight.

Yea ok buddy sure

Such a shame for the invading armies missing out on the wonderful beer, waffles, and fries

In WW1, Germany (prematurely) produced thousands of medals that showed the Arc de triomphe and Eiffel tower and said "1871-1914," since that was the previous time German troops were in Paris.

У вас очень плохо преподают историю в школе.

@@ttthias About 60% of those 600 000 casualties were captured troops, actual deaths was around 150 000.

@@PrestoPresteinn he is french, not american

@@Mr_d42069 у них образование такое же плохое как в США. Образованные люди никому не нужны

What do you mean by Forgotten?

@@fabianvoigtlander1042means I forgot it

@@fabianvoigtlander1042not talked about a lot (nvm its not actully forgoten )

@@legobullymaguire1375 It is talked about alot.

Pretty well known war ngl

cuz it didnt exist in that time

This is the reason Maginot line was created

Ik but still

Same man.

@@Arguingpit93It still failed

Not too opaque however

It's not accurate anyway, it's more representational that a true record of where they were.

looking at the causality ratio they were not playing hoi there, they were playing dynasty warriors

Yeah, it was basically the french refusing to accept that they have lost after they started the war for a petty reason for half a year, costing them half a million lifes and afterwards being still salty about it, why the French were so keen on imposing such harsh conditions in the treaty of versailles. And that is why everyone hates the french

It's a reflex I guess

The French provoked the war hoping to march on Berlin

France’s colour is traditionally associated with blue, while Germany’s is usually Black/Grey or Red.

France is always blue

@@heremapping4484Bismarck provoked the war.

They mobilised soldiers.

sacrifice sounds like a dramatic word

"Sacrifice" as if he was a veteran in that war.

@@noyes4968 yeah it is cringe

I'm pretty sure he traced my video on the Franco-Prussian war, not that i'm against that. But it does seem to be what happened

@@schatzkammerein, I'm a mapper too, I'm currently editing a 2 minutes video since March which covers 500 years, and I still have a long time ahead editing 2 or 3 frames daily in order to keep my schedule. Damn yeah, that's a quite sacrificial, definitely not easy to do.

Hope Germany burns in hell, and all of the Germans with it.

Sadly the warmongers are awake again. The eubhad to be stabilized with more cooperation, there has to be a standard refugee protocol and the leaders should send politicians and dilopmats instead of tanks and planes to stop a war.

@@molybdaen11Today, the only warmonger is Russia, not the EU, the USA, or Ukraine.

@@siegfried7951 the war in Ukraine was started by ukrainian Poroschenko regime in 2014 - trying to exterminate the huge Russion minority in Ukraine. Everything after that was just a futher escalation. And in March 2022, Ukraine and Russia were short before a freedom treaty - it was London and Washington who forced Ukraine to stop these negotiations and continue senseless fighting.

ARTE has always been biased towards France, so that is not going to happen.

The germans always had a need for speed

well yeah, maneuver warfare has always been a part of German military history

Most likely a rough estimate because it is hard to confirm battles and how they played out in those years.

This was not ancient times, there are specific numbers for the losses of each battle.

Hello, this is me from the future. Every single troop placement in the video is extraordinarily inaccurate. This war was not even fought with front lines, it was fought with armies, like napoleonic times.

yeah, despite tanks and automobiles not existing yet, this was an example of manouver warfare, prussians acted fast, circumvented pockets of resitance, and sourrounded them, cutting them off from communications and supplies, making them teethless

Tbh this view on warfare seems more appropriate to explain Napoleon's success. I think what gave such an edge to the Germans was their highly organized mobilization system and their successful usage of a militarised railroad network, all of which enabled them to bring men and sufficent material much more quickly on the front, whereas the French army was in a poor state and highly disorganized because of decades of an unprecedent level of corruption in the military ranks (since Napoelon III's regime).

@@hs2546 True

And also the Germans powderless needle rifle

@@cyrilk3254 powderless... or smokeless? Smokeless powder came in use at the end of the century. During the Franco-German war, both side were using blackpowder cartridges, and French troops even had an edge with their Chassepot rifle since it used smaller ammunitions, which enabled them to be more precise at a greater range and to deal much more damage on their target compared to the Dreyse rifle used by the Germans.

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casualties would include captured troops from encirclements, which would give quite a lot of that. (not that artillery or other factors wouldn't have also mattered, but just this was the most extreme one in the video). and yeah i was interested in that too, i guess they don't really need fuel like tanks and vehicles and none of those are craazy big like its realistic they could be fed on the land.

no it's actually because Moltke cheated and chose both mobile warfare and superior firepower

@@lythd french troops would also be able to more effectively endure encirclement on their own territory in the summer months

It's on the description to let you know

It ends with the German victory and the formation of the German empire leaded by Prussia

Maybe he should make the flags more differenciable

Except that time napoleon solo'ed europe

@@matheusexpedito4577 there existed no "Germany" at the time of Napolean

@@Iamnotracistlmao yeah, but the german states existed

@@matheusexpedito4577 which were not united

Napoléon 😂

No one? Not really

Stolen comment + L ratio + grammar mistake “map” and also a lot of people made vids about this war.

@@Freddy_Fazbear_and_Witherred And forgotten? Not really

this was covered by many channel,with narration and background knowledge... this war was an answer,not a question

@@hansdampf640 TRUE

It is rather more complicated than that. You say the best of their race died in Russia, but that is not correct. Half the French Imperial Grande Armee wasn't even French, and it was always held together through punitive threats and fear. It was not this monolithic, 750,000 strong army of Frenchmen. Nope. A huge number of other, enthralled nationalities, were in league with the French but largely, not by choice. And do not forget, that in 1813, as merely 35,000 bedraggled Frenchmen limped back into Western Europe, with about 58,000 others whom had been in that once mighty army to enter Russia in 1812, that Napoleon Bonaparte achieved a great feat of logistics, recruiting literally over 400,000 new troops in that year. Were they as experienced as the ones he'd lost in droves in the Russian Winter of 1812? No, not a chance. But they would fight with some ferocious elan and determination in the years 1813-1815. Literally hundreds of thousands of them would die, but still. Also, lest we forget, the French sacrificed 1.75 million soldiers in the First World War (most of which, French, some of which, French Colonial; aka with nationalities as varied as what we'd now call Vietnamese, and many others, such as soldiers from Cameroon) I'd say that it was after the First World War, in which France was truly spent. Her feeble efforts in 1940, were no match for the Germans. Cue crying Frenchmen drumming up the sacrifice of 30,000 French troops in rearguard (also with about 10,000 British soldiers helping them, which is often forgotten/omitted on purpose; and ffs it was happening in France of course the French should have had the biggest defensive forces in the region out of the allies at that time) for Dunkirk. Well, as much as some Anglophobes would like to blame Britain for all of France collapsing in 6-7 weeks flat, the truth was, France was pretty cocky in the interwar years acting like the mightiest nation in the world, thanks to it's immense army which was 2nd only in size, then, to the Red Army in Soviet Russia. However, in the grand scheme of things, that was about 1 corps of French troops being chewed up against an entire German field army, to help Britain evacuate 123,000 Frenchmen and about twice as many British, off the beaches of Dunkirk. Yet also, do remember, that approximately 93% of the French whom the British rescued (leaving behind many of their own men to fit more Frenchmen on British ships instead; also losing a lot of British ships under constant Luftwaffe Stuka dive bomber attack) from Dunkirk, _went home to France_ after they were given the choice of repatriation, by the British government. Some may have joined the French Resistance, but quite frankly, the scale of how many French returned to France, made what the British had done seem pointless. Britain was only ever meant to be a reinforcing faction in the Northern sector, just like they were in WWI. It makes me laugh when French dudes get pissy about the Battle for France, as though the British just betrayed France and left it to the German wolves. Not true. It didn't happen that way at all. France was puffing up it's chest for over 20 years at that point. It had bullied Germany at the Treaty of Versailles (France, not Britain, was the most aggressive in pursuing reparations from Germany, to the tune of 100 Billion Deutschmarks; which it simply, could not afford, especially due to hyperinflation; as in, the value of 100 Billion Deutschmarks _prior to_ the hyper-inflation, not during or after it; aka at 1918/1919 rates there or thereabouts) Why French dudes cope and seethe about Britain being not as numerous militarily, is hilarious. It's as if the French think they have this god given right to sacrificing British lives on the altar of saving France. France doesn't even respect Britain and is a very poor ally in terms of how it behaves and how it goes about things. e.g. France sold EXOCET missiles to Argentina which Argentina used against British ships in the Falklands War in 1982. French nationalists still laugh about that to this day. It's a total disgrace. British servicemen _died_ on those ships. Fvck France.

There is a video about the danish Prussian war. Maybe watch as long as there is no movie about Franco Prussian war

@@aka99 I know I've seen it. 1864. It was a Danish production but it had English subtitles. Very well made miniseries

Forget it there will be very less movies in which Germans win

french loses are like 60% captured. dead are similar to prussian

@@cotefabrice1801 No actually France lost three times as many men as Germany. About 150k for France and 50k for Germany.

@@Leprofdesinnoh you’re right

The battle of cape ecnomus is still to this day the largest naval battle of all time.

Kingdom come deliverance: 1845 edition

The First Tour de France ^^

All German states fought in this war which is why Prussia became the Germanic Empire

Revolutionary state of the art, cutting edge weapons and that's combined with equally modern, cutting edge new tactics etc Is why the Prussians were so effective.

Cuz there were no maginot line back then

@@neriedthey’re basicly was tbh

​@@neriedlets assume the french were the maginot line

@@neriedThere was no Maginot line in 1914 either

Well it was France that declared the war....

@@borisbrosowski6630 the reason why they started made this to a big humilation after they lost 😂

Don't believe the BS that politicians tell you through state-financed schoolbooks and teachers (esp in history). Prussia had founded the North-German Confederation which threatened to be a predecessor to a united Germany, something that France could not accept as a united Germany would be superior (as proven in the war). Thus N3 looked for an incident to break up the NGFederation and maintain an influence over the smaller german states in the south. This general french policy led later to WW1 and even was continued up until 1923 when France tried to establish a Rhine Republic. @@DaoAncestor

Most of these losses were captured troops. Bad tactic and strategy lead to that...

@@bunkerkorpf1440 so the French

@@openlyracist8055 in 1870 and 1940, yes, huge French fails. Although it was also true for USSR in 1941, with millions of captured troops in less than 5 months, still USSR won. Bad tactic and strategy don't always mean defeat if you have time to adapt and if you are able to replace losses (France in 1914, USSR in 1941). France couldn't win in 1870 once it lost it professionnal army, especially since "Germany" had far more people...

​@@bunkerkorpf1440in 1870 both countries had around the same population around 40 million

@@xoxoxoxo570 Wrong, in 1870 France had around 37 millions people, and a far less younger population than Germany. So, far less soldiers indeed (soldiers are always mostly young guys), while "Germany" (ie german states forming later german empire) had around 41 millions people, and a far younger population (indeed second half of 19th century was a demographic boom for german states). You should learn more about history

yes

But provoked by Germans

​@@Sperenza2byet the french attacked

@@Sperenza2b provoked by what exactly?

and succeded.

Yes, it is. Its also wrong to call it franco-prussian war imo.

@@MMadesen fair

@@MMadesen German term is Deutsch-Französischer Krieg (German-French war) which is more accurate, as Armies of nearly every German state fought together with the prussians, and the outcome of this war was the German unification.

@@rohne83 Exactly

Yes this is time they learnt that a smaller professional army is not as good as massive conscript army. Same reason why Soviets repelled a surprise German invasion - their conscription system.

@@aksmex2576The Wehrmacht was a conscript army too…

​@@lester_the_molesterMaking an army of conscripts only amplifies the population differences of countries. The Soviets had a lot more manpower to throw at the Germans.

@@aksmex2576 i mean i certainly wouldnt ever boil something down to one factor, but in that case i feel like ur just wrong. the soviets were outnumbered for a huge portion of the war. i would say the biggest reason is just enough production to hold on and keep the oil, and the germans would run out and without fuel there wasnt much they could do anymore. supply would be another big reason too.

I suspect their lack of training is why French casualties were so much higher, once the professional French army was mostly used up.

The video is caricatural. It was far from a cakewalk for the Germans. The month of August was the deadliest month of fighting in Prussian history. The battles of Gravelotte and Mars-la-Tour were respectively 2nd and 3rd deadliest battles in Prussian history. Though they suffered horrendous casualties in the process, the Germans won because they were able to outmaneuver the French Imperial armies thanks to their large numerical superiority (550k vs 300k, I don't understand how the video claims that there were 700k French soldiers in late August, they had absolutely nowhere near that number, and the Germans had nowhere near 760k troops either). In August 1870, the French suffered about 61,000 casualties (including 37,000 killed or wounded) and the Germans close to 70,000 casualties (including 65,000 killed or wounded). Once the Empire fell, the Republic sent armies of untrained conscripts to fight the German veterans, which explains the final disproportion of losses.

@@lahire4943 🤡🤡You French are so funny, you can never admit when you are defeated seriously, you got your arses handed to you on a plate fair and square, and to think Napoleon III wanted Britain to join on there side. 😂

@@lahire4943 because the author of this video just took the values for the entire conflict and applied them more or less at a linear rate, which is terrible historiography. at the outset of the war the german states had managed to mobilize over a million whereas the french were sitting at under 300,000. nothing in this video makes any historical sense

You can do some research yourself, as I don't want to write paragraphs here. It wasn't a cakewalk for the Prussians, as shown with the slow progression at times. But the Prussians had superior logistics, superior guns, and superior discipline in their forces. I think the French just don't like admitting Germany kicked their asses several times in its short history, so they come up with weak excuses for it lol.

Sad indeed. Both are for propaganda reasons. Hitler was represented (and is) one of the most if not the most evil man ever. The Kaiser was also represented as evil and causing WW1 despite both of those being mostly untrue. The German empire should be remembered as more a lesson, not an evil force, as the only difference between it and the entente was that they were rival factions. The German empire was probably not be remembered in a good light for the foreseeable future, mostly because the Prussian militarism that eventually led to Versailles and Hitler was taken out of German culture as much as possible

The treaty from WW2 was probably the best outcome for Germany, ever. Germany is now an economic powerhouse, 4th largest in the world and the main driving force of the EU and the European Bank. If anything, Imperial Germany's plans for Mitteleuropa and an economic bloc centred on Germany have been achieved.

Germany was even more of an economic powerhouse prior to the first/second world war and has risen time and again despite losing major industrial areas and paying tribute. On the other hand it's naive populism to equate EU institutions in which Germany has little voting rights to German dominance. Southern economies like Italy and Greece like to blame Germany for their misery but they have their own elites/politicians to thank for it. These countries are not even important markets for German goods but the idea that they are pawns in an imaginary game of German dominance via the EU seems to be more acceptable than just admitting reality. The word 'German centered economy' alone is strange as the EU is a free market without discrimination. No American would complain that the US economy was 'California centered' as it's clear how the US benefits from having free markets and successful member states that fund the budget.

I understand 20th but how are Germans harshly punished in the 21st century?

​@@neezduts_Nazi Germany killed 17 millions of USSR civilians. What is untrue? How do you think? I can't understand how people can be so disgusting.

Well not that much. You have already the Châlons Army with 120 000 captured and Metz Army with 130 000. So in this video at least 250 000 are captured men, even more.

True, nevertheless we can congrats Bismarck for this war. Such a great mastermind. Also there was some important figure in French society (such as Emile Zola) who was also against the war and protested about

He started the war

@@istandwithisraeI against his will

@@fritoss3437 still started it over an insult

@@istandwithisraeI he was forced bro this is not his choice