I think Jordan Peterson had the right idea. Just hold these lectures at 7AM and none of those protestors will show up.

He is absolutely right. I am black, with above average intelligence, from So Cal and let me tell you - my black peers gave me such a hard time growing up. Simply by doing my homework, getting good grades, and being in advanced classes, I constantly had a target on my back. If they weren't stealing from me, destroying my books, or trying to force me to do their homework, they were beating my head in to destroy my mother's hair designs. The jealousy of low IQ is real.

As a black kid I was shamed for being a "nerd" even though I was highly intelligent. I stopped putting in the effort trying to be cool and barely graduated with a 2.2 GPA. I was born to a 14 year old mother and my father was killed in the streets. I didn't go to college, but I still made something of myself. I used to buy into these tropes about racism until I learned to investigate for myself, and it made a HUGE difference. My son is brilliant though. I'll be damned if I allow him to not live up to his potential because of victim thinking. Charles Murray presented facts, but these people are too emotional to hear or investigate for themselves. It comes from somewhere...

"Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be forbidden to think so as not to offend fools" said Dostoyevsky 100 years ago! What a genius!

No topic should ever be off limits just because it offends certain sensitivities

No one is more hated than a man who speaks the truth.

I am a 53 year old Black man. As I get older and wiser I am thankful that I can listen to research and ideas I don't agree with without resorting to violence. I am going to make a real effort to listen to this with an open mind.

There is not a single public intellectual who has been more unfairly maligned than Charles Murray. My "red-pilled" moment was when I read the masterpiece Human Diversity by coincidence having no clue who Charles Murray was, then I heard someone like Ezra Klein talking about how racist Charles Murray was, then realizing the author of that masterpiece was the same man being accused of racism. Naturally, I had to read the bell curve. As a data scientist, who loves reading about social science and economics, I was floored with the quality of evidence in that book.

People become violent when they have no argument.

My daughter in law is from South America. She says that only gangsters, criminals and really poor and uneducated people cross into US illegally. She says it is common knowledge. The worst of their people come illegally.

I’m so glad that Charles Murray is strong enough to stand up against the mob

My father wasn't really around. My mom tried. I spent a lot of time with my grandfather, whom I loved dearly but wasn't the best influence. No dads being around will slowly erode our civilization.

I grew up in the projects/ghetto in New Orleans. One of 5 non black kids in my elementary school. I had the highest grades in the school and i kept hearing that im a sellout/racist stuff. By the time i graduated, i had at least 25 fights because of my grades or not being black. By God's grace, i went to college and medical school.

Nobody has a problem saying one group is athletically superior.

Great interview. On the growing anger of the white working class, I must admit I completely get it. I’m from the UK and feel like the system treats me as a second class citizen in my own country. It’s not just the loss of opportunity, but the continual mocking, misrepresentation, and denigration of a good and honest way of life

Truth, in an age of universal deceit, is a revolutionary act.

I read the Bell curve in high school as an African student, and never once did I think Charles Murray had any racial intent to the point I even bought my own copy of most of his books. Extreme outrage comes from dishonesty. Welcome back Mr Murray.

Stossel is one of the very few true journalists around

What Mr. Murray is saying about academia is 100% correct. They absolutely despise the working class.

Thank you for having Charles Murray on your show. How sad that in America we can’t listen to others without getting violent.

Wonderful interview. I'm "black" and read "The Bell Curve" back in the early 90's and it spoke truth then and it speaks truth now. Kudos to Charles Murray for his courage.

they went from broken windows; to ignore burning buildings

Great interview. I taught public school for 30 yrs. I always said the more you do for the student the less they will do for themselves. They usually rose to the occasion and felt prouder doing so.

I've read Murray for years now, and he clearly states his work in the Bell Curve is not meant to endorse racism. He simply points out the differences in IQ and then clarifies the need for more research to understand why those differences are occurring. Never in any way, shape, or form has he endorsed racism.

Charles Murray is an American treasure.

Right after the BLM chaos, my brother indignantly raised the issue of this book in a conversation we were having. He didn’t even know the name of the author, I had to tell him it’s Charles Murray. But he “knew” how racist the guy is…blah, blah, blah. I asked him a simple question: Have you read the book?…No, he hadn’t. Then I recalled a visit to his house where he had the SPLC newsletter prominently displayed on his coffee table. My brother is an indoctrinated 🤡

IQ goes up with vocabulary. Johnson O'Connor's research shows that. I struggled for 40 years to get students to read classics. It is the fastest most successful way to build vocabulary, and as a bonus provides models of correct grammar and good sentence structure without mind numbing drills and busy work. If you want to raise your IQ, read !!!

Everyone in America should listen to this interview! It is a pleasure to listen to the conversation of these two great Americans.

I took a class at Stanford about intelligence and Murray’s book was the first thing covered and the professor was black. He dispelled the misconceptions about Murray after all of the students were first given a chance to speak ignorantly and negatively about Murray. No one expected him to take that approach and it left a lasting impression.

It's interviews like this you would never see on mainstream TV. Thank you John

The guy is giving facts. How is that racist? I'm Hispanic of Cuban background. If reports came out that White Hispanics of Cuban background were not as smart as Asians...big deal. It's just a study, a fact. That propels me to achieve more, not play the victim.

I grew up in a school district where the demographics were 60% white/40% minorities. We had students from rich/poor families in every ethnicity. It was truly reflective of the melting pot you see in the US. Our faculty was just as diverse. The one thing that I noticed that was a constant was that EVERY single student (regardless of race) who applied themselves, took school serious, respected the faculty, stayed out of trouble, and avoided peer pressure, thrived and went on to make something of themselves. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. It didn't matter if they were White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Biracial, rich, poor, had two supportive parents, lived in foster care, or grew up in the projects. It was as simple as putting in the effort and not falling victim to the naysayers. Yes, some had an easier road and better support system than others, but what I found was that race or economic status did little to deter their inevitable life achievements. The students (regardless of race) who gave into the victimhood narrative that the world was out to get them, who caved to peer pressure, who didn't take school seriously, refused to apply themselves, acted out against the faculty, picked fights with other students, or had unplanned pregnancies, never really made anything of themselves. Deep down, we all know this to be an obvious, simple truth.

Calling these people "activists" is laughable. They are children who know nothing other than what's been pumped into their heads and ginned-up on emotional hysteria.

Thus proving Murray's point.

Incredible thought provoking insightful interview. Thank you John and Charles. I hope there will be a great awakening.

Welfare has done more harm than good.

It makes me sad that this is what America has become. All of us deserve free Speech without the fear of violence!

He should have scheduled his talk before 9 am and none of them would have bothered to get out of bed for a protest.

God bless this man , we need the truth wherever it leads....

These kids would have been right at home in Mao's Red Guard or Fascist Germany's black shirts. So deeply and passionately proud of their ignorance.

Welfare, food stamps, and child support allowed my folks to divorce.

Dudes right and it’s painfully apparent all over the world.

Instead on educators looking at this IQ difference and build an educational system to account for this difference. They try to teach everyone the same way and get terrible results.

One good thing: My life is almost over at 85 years old. I have five children. We are LDS and took our kids to Church every week. They basically turned out to be happy successful well rounded children. They have lots of problems but strong marrianges. They have happy normal kids. They all went to school and have great jobes. They are so needed in their fields!

Disgusting tactics. Southern poverty law center should be sued.

Telling the truth is now a revolutionary act

It’s almost a given that Stossel consumers think on a deeper level. Rest assured that we value the longer videos. 👍😃

Great to find that John Stossel has a channel!

He’s wrong about the America First movement. We want agencies dismantled, bureaucracy reduced, red tape cut, term limits and reduced taxes with local government playing a larger role than federal government. We also want the criminals of the last decade who have been so nefarious in our federal government to face justice.

BEST interview I've seen in quite some time. In my mind, Charles Murray now stands with Thomas Sowell in terms of pulling back the curtain to expose reality.

The truth shall set us free. Our humanity will be the fall of humanity if we don't have these conversations. I know what they mean by "ignorance is bliss". Once you know, you can't unknow it.😢

You dont judge people by skin color, but by their actions and behaviors.....I believe a great man, Martin Luther King, Jr., said something similiar. He was murdered😢

I would love to be in a room with Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell.

How can this brilliant man be called dangerous or cancelled? Wow. Very interesting talk.

I read "The Bell Curve" years ago and it revealed some harsh truths but the research was sound. It has never bothered me.

The differences are there. Now, what should be done? What I know for sure is if you listen to music that glorifies crime and violence, puts the blame of everything on others, grow up thinking you're entitled to historical recompensations, that won't make you more intelligent, happier or wealthier. There are lots of cultures that incentivize alcoholism, the spend your money today and worry tomorrow mentality, blame others for your problems, etc... USA, UK, France, Italy, etc... you have people that act that way and somehow expect improvements in their lives even though those behaviors are proven to be fail, always. Everyone knows what works: strong traditional families, people having jobs, finishing your studies, being held accountable for your wrongs, etc..

Charles Murray is 100 percent spot on. Some people can't handle the truth despite what the facts point out.

neat how 'welfare, race, IQ, and crime' all describe the same demographic

This has to be the most thoughtful and insightful interview I've seen all year. The last part discussing the achievements of Western Civilization really hit hard. This needs to be shown to everyone.

Thank you Mr. Stossel and Murray for your work. I disagree with Mr. Murray's assessment of MAGA. We do not want more government, we truly want to limit it's power to what is granted it in our Constitution.

in 2024, the only heroes are those who speak the truth without fear. We applaud you Mr. Murray

So far this is the best interview of 2024

This guy is over 80 years old proving that age shouldn't be a factor in electing a President. Displaying the wisdom that comes with old age (aside from medical dementia) might be a factor that is very important when picking a leader. Charles Murray is someone worth listening to.

SpLC needs to be sued into bankruptcy.

Courage was required for this conversation John....much appreciated.

I was born and grew up in Manchester, UK. ALL the conditions created by the paid and subsequent benefits system has created a whole new class in my opinion. The benefits class. Many are 3rd generation who have never worked, yet have cars, their big tv's and expensive subscriptions and huge US styles fridges and a couple of holidays a year. Yet, still they play every 'card' in the book when confronted on it, be it race, class, gender, so-called disability, etc. 5 years ago we decided to save all we can from working and move away from this lazy open-air, angry, prison. The fact a lazy woman can have 3 kids, usually to different fathers, get a free, three bedroom house and well over £1000 per month benefits is truly disgusting. And will be one of the many causes for the downfall of this once great country.

""That all men are created equal " was a torpedo into Black slavery.

I remember when the book first came out. What was interesting is that none of the critics addressed his data, just resorted to calling him names. David Suzuki was one of them.

The world is a better place with John Stossel in it. I have watched him for the majority of my life. Grateful for people like him.

Welfare was never supposed to help. These people are far smarter than us... they knew exactly what would happen when they offered welfare and weaponized divorce court.

Charles Murray presenting himself as a recent convert from libertarian to Madisonian is heartening. Libertarians are good people, yet most of us are not virtuous. We are all too human.

So many people hate the truth! 😢

Seen this more than 12 times 👀 He's a national treasure 😮 Please bring him back, several times. ❤ From Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰

They will call you every slur but they will never call you a lair

Intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Grew up on Moravia in Baltimore. Promised myself I would get out. Read Thomas Sowell and got out. Firm believer in reading and education. Charles Murray is a educational pioneer, much respect for him.

One of the nicest intelligent empathetic man I ever met. Old school scientific researcher. He's an academic, not a CronySocialist, progressive, liberal, exclusive, woke, democrap quackademic.

RONALD REAGAN SAID THAT IF YOU DON'T TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO WORK, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE TAUGHT THEM TO STEAL

Access to better schooling all throughout life + being in a community of people who've had access to better education all of their life + the ability to focus on studies and not the basic needs of life = greater chance of intellectual ease [when it comes to conventional education].

I'm not a highly educated man but doing some deep thinking one day I said to someone that I don't get the racial divide, I think most of us want the same things out of life, a job, a home, and a happy family. We are more like minded than not so what is the reason for the strife? I feel like I can disagree with anyone that looks like me and it's ok but if I disagree with anyone that doesn't look like me I'm labeled a racist.

I am a conservative because I want the truth. Truth does not always make me feel happy, but it does lead me to knowledge.

There are many, many people who are on welfare & all kinds of government assistance that don’t want to ever work. These people are on generational welfare. They feel entitled to it.

John stossel- Thank you! you are one of the few journalist that actually does the job!

This is one of the best interviews I've heard you do. I love in-depth interviews.

treat people as individuals - well said

The one thing he's wrong about, is saying that MAGA people want big government.

Thank you John Stossel, I just subscribed, I think you are doing our people, all of us who speak English a great service with programs like this. We need to preserve our culture, and get our spirit back.

Charles make a good point about IQ. These people that are angry at him don't consider industriousness which is not measurable like iq and plays a large roll in sucess in life.

Charles Murray is a hero as you are John for trying to get the truth out against all odds.

I appreciate getting the story ''straight from the horses mouth''. not some interpretation from a biased source. This interview does a good job of clarifying this authors true findings and context. How can we hope to improve by burying our heads in the sand on any issue?

Long or short form, we love your work! Thanks Stossel 🙏🏼

The last two minutes of the interview felt like Charles Murray was almost reading my mind. For 40+ years I worked to defend the country against communists and terrorists. And now I often wonder why I bothered, because that country is essentially gone now.

Great interview. I agree with what he said. I live in the UK 🇬🇧 and the effects of welfare can be seen here. People have become more entitled and very materialistic in what’s in it for me. A lot of people just don’t want to work

These people prove him right because none of them even read the book.

"i don't see how you energize a new generation to understand what the country was founded for" . He hit the nail on the head and depresses me as well.

A very meaningful interview. I already owned the Bell Curve and now I’ve picked up Losing Ground, In Pursuit, and What it Means to be a Libertarian. Thank you.

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Great interview. Some of what he says I understand how people can take in a negative way. I have 3 children all are similar IQ all college graduates. One chose to work in the building trades and he is looked down in the world. Her earnings are on par with other son who is an electrical engineer. People look on titles in our country in not a good way.

John is an excellent interviewer. His ability to get his guests to intelligently and openly explain their points of view in the long interview format is perfect for those who want an educational experience on topics discussed. Great job!

As a person with a high IQ, I can tell you I am very capable in some areas and weak in others. High IQ isn't everything and doesn't make someone a good person.