18:10 Tom Brady. Bottom rose, right in the middle

Cindy: Dies Police: She must be faking

Me: *clicks on unsolvable mysteries* Also me: *gets mad when the mystery is unsolved*

This story is so incredibly frustrating 😭 For them to actually declare this a suicide after failing her so badly for so many years is just disgusting 😳

Did police ever check the call records of Cindy's telephone to determine, whether she was really getting those calls? If yes, from which number was she getting the calls? Did the police never bothered to call up the telephone company and check the details? This is the most important question i felt unanswered in the video

Hello!! This story is actually about my aunt, so i thought i’d come on here and say thank you for covering her story is a non biased way. I never met her, but my family has dealt with a lot of trauma because of what happened. It pains me to think people didn’t believe her and thought she staged it all, but I am glad the general public can see that she wasn’t what the police made her out to be. Anyways, thank you for sharing the story and being as respectful as you were about it. :)

Cops: **annoyed because nothing ever happens whenever they’re surveilling the house** Me: Hm. That IS strange. It’s almost as if...the stalker doesn’t want to get caught by police.....so they wait until the coast is clear. very weird.

There is another still ongoing case in the US where a woman died and it has been labeled as a suicide, but…it is almost impossible. Her name is Ellen Rae Greenberg-from Philadelphia.

As a woman who has been secretly recorded, blackmailed w said recording, kidnapped, beaten, s.a'd, threatened with a gun, and stalked by my ex, i cannot imagine the fear she endured on top of the cops openly telling her shes staging everything and making it up. Breaks my heart she went through that.

They really would rather think this woman was a professional knot tie expert, drug addict, arson, crazy, and a levitating magician before considering that there was an actual stalker

Medical examiner: Yeah this definitely wasn’t a suicide Police: Nah bro trust me

"The Police got tired of her and stop responding to her calls" just made me mad. They are there to protect and serve. How can they just ignore her like that? And of course they didn't see and stalking activity, that guy was clearly a pro or a very smart person. He wouldn't just come to her property when it was under surveillance.

“ when the police were there , there was NO stalker activity, the second the police left the stalker would come back “ hmm wow, almost like maybe he didn’t want to get caught !! lol

‘A knot expert was able to put himself in the same position’ A professional gymnast was able to do a cartwheel.

Bless her heart. Poor Cindy must have been so terrified and to be brushed off by the police is maddening and sickening at the same time. Basically, she had no one to help her and that is unacceptable. To be blamed for your own stalking and then to be murdered and still be brushed off and not believed. It’s just wrong on so many levels and unacceptable. I hope someday the truth will see the light of day. 🙏🏼

This story blows my mind. Let’s not forget this happens in the 80’s in Canada. Back then women were never ever taken seriously when they were abused or raped. Easier to blame the victim than to put in the effort to find, arrest and convict those responsible.

Sorry this took so long... tHe BaD mAn GoT mE yesterday and so this video went under review. Luckily it just cleared. Enjoy!

The cops didn’t believe her, so they didn’t run prints on the knife. Even if you think this lady is full of it just do your damn job to the minimal amount required please…

Hi (: I have Dissociative Identity Disorder, and I wanted to share some details about about it to provide important context. People who have DID have PTSD. ‘Splitting’ (or the distinction of parts) happens when a very intense/traumatic event occurs that the individual can’t integrate with the rest of their life experiences up until that point. This trauma happens before the age of 9 and those memories get filed away separately into what we call ‘Parts’. Yes, DID is defined by at least 2 distinct ‘parts’, but there is much more to it than that. Parts are not always fully defined as their own person, and while the memory gaps happen the complete black outs are usually triggered by some trauma or trauma adjacent event. The ‘switches’ in personality are sometimes subtle, but those who were really close to her would have noticed some change in behavior. If she was attacking herself then she would have had points were she wasn’t afraid for her life, which didn’t seem to happen once the events started. Also, switching is not something that people with DID can normally control. After years of therapy and coexistence, it’s easier to tell when those switches happen, but it’s like always being part of a group project. You don’t have control over other peoples input or lack of. Movies like ‘Split’ have created gross stereotypes about this community of humans, and I hope that this comes across as educational and not critical. I love your videos and watching your stories, and with DID being researched so heavily in the last decade, there is still lots of outdated or incomplete information out there. 🙏🏼♥️

So what about the guy standing outside of Cindy’s house when her house caught fire? Once he was noticed by her neighbor, the guy ran away. Isn’t that enough evidence that she was being stalked?

No matter who is responsible, clearly this poor woman suffered tremendously and did not get the help she needed and deserved.

the caller on the other side of the phone, ""DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET TO BELLS CANYON?!?!!?""

I couldn’t imagine what she had to go through trying to get help. I’ve had a stalker now for nine years and it really changes you. It makes you very withdrawn and paranoid and people have thought I was crazy as well and exaggerating until they caught him themselves on my property watching me. I wish she would have bought a weapon like I did and prepare her house for the attack. There’s only so much the police can do and so much that they will believe so I have made every preparation that I can for the day he tries to attack me. I’m a good shot too so he would be a fool to try lol

That is insanely creepy. I remember watching an episode on Unsolved Mysteries. It reminded me of another episode where this couple who were seniors was stocked for over 10 years. The stalker, attacker always knew when authorities were watching the house, and something happened during a time when they were watching the house, because the predator knew or found a gap in surveillance.

Cindy: *Gets found drugged and dead in a ditch after weeks of being stalked* Cops: "Must've been the wind..."

“Cindy dead meat soon” is 100% said in a scratchy woman’s voice

It’s either the ex-husband, Agnes, or the policeman ex-bf. Just really weird that she moved addresses and the stalker still found her

This is real life gas lighting in the most horrifying sense. I’m honestly happy I’ve finally found a video of yours that I haven’t seen lol.

Watching this 3 years after it was posted. You’ve come so far! Proud of you.

The cops actually thought Cindy was making everything up because her stalker wasn’t around when they were around? But if she was being stalked then obviously the stalker knew when the police were at her house… I cannot imagine anything more terrifying than what Cindy went through. Rest In Peace, Cindy. I’m so sorry this happened to you

"police set up a surveillance operation on her property" Proceeds to show the background image with police eating donuts in the car.

that stalker definitely had some type of connection with the police. this case makes me sick because of how they neglected her. sad story man

I actually lost it when they said, she tied herself up after injecting herself with a lethal dose of morphine...

As a recovering addict, no way could you shoot a lethal dose even with a high tolerance and hog tie yourself in a way that you have to get a professional knot guy to recreate. Hit that guy with a lethal shot of dope and then let him recreate it. That woman was murdered.

She had a detective/police boyfriend and the stalker activity only happened when he was away or when the police detail were changing shifts and the scene was always clean.....how was that guy not a suspect?

This is horrible. I can't imagine what she felt, all alone because these so called authorities would rather blow her off. I have no words and I pray one day the truth will come out! I think the cop that came out of nowhere and automatically started a relationship with her had a big hand in this. They literally have this woman's blood on their hands!

But look how easily they believed the ex husband with a history of toxicity!

A knot expert was able to tie himself up that way?! No shit!! "We aren't sure how this young man's body ended up on that roof, so we hired Tony Hawk to launch himself up there, thus proving the man got there himself"

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Very humbling to see the message from you. There are dozens of great quotes etc in response but I only want to say God Bless you and your family

The stalker worked in the police force. He knew when the police werent there.... Was able to find the girl in another state with a different name... Easily convinced other police departments she was crazy... This would all be so simple if the dude was on the force...

When you’ve already heard a story before but Mr.Ballen explains it 10x better.

I only recently discovered your channel man and I must say I absolutely LOVE your content. I've always had a fascination with murder mystery type of programs on TV or unsolved mystery type of things and the way you talk and present each video is TOP NOTCH. So keep up the good work dude!!!

So Cindy was a nurse, I just read it. It’s a good possibility it was her or possibility co-worker. It was shown she had a lengthy medical history with documentation of suicidal thoughts and depression. So this story has more to it, it wasn’t just morphine they found 30 tablets she would’ve had to have swallowed and other tablets of benzodiazepines. I think I can see why police say it was most likely suicide. The police spent a large amount of money investigating so it wasn’t botched. The family is insisting it was but when I read some of the information they actually did quite a bit.

My heart breaks for this poor woman. Imagine going so long being terrorized by someone, having no one believe you, and then be murdered. Such a sad life.

“A knot expert was able to put himself in the same position” well yea because he is a knot expert lol dam these people just didnt care to help her

while the D.I.D. answer is more juicy it was 100% that cop, he was probably obsessed with her

Mr Ballen, love watching your content mate. You have a great way of explaining these stories, amazing mate keep up the great work.

So the fact that her best friends husband seen someone standing outside the house after the fire broke out means nothing, huh?!? I feel so sad for her...

The way the police handled this makes my blood boil.

5.4 million subscribers!! Congrats dude! You're a great story teller, and thank you for your service to our country. Well deserved!

New here...great story telling voice, mrballen... unbelievable stories. Thanks for making me aware!

When I was a young child we spent about 3 years being terrorized by an anonymous stalker who was obsessed with my single mother. The police also dismissed it as fake, and even accused my brother and me of being the ones breaking in and doing things. They never lifted a finger to help. Luckily for us, one day it just stopped. We never knew why it stopped, why it started, or who it was.

Regardless if she had a stalker or not. This poor lady was going thru it.

RIP Cindy. I hope you are at peace. I am really sorry for the loss of your aunt and that one day you get all the answers you need. ❤️

Did Roy have Cindy's phone number, the unlisted number? She changed to a new address, did he know her new address, once she shifted 2nd time? And most importantly, why were Cindy's call records never checked, to see if she was getting any calls on the dates mentioned? If yes, from which number was she getting the calls?

Imagine being stalked and knowing the police didn't believe you and did nothing to help you. It would be soul shattering.

The infuriating is, even in the unlikely scenario that she was stalking herself, it would still have been the police's job to investigate and to protect her even if it would have been against herself.

Omg i remember his story! I heard it so ewhere else before! I hope you and your family are good and found peace. Definitely a crazy story!

I really wish Mr Ballen was still posting 3 to four times a week. Hell it would be nice to even get 2 videos a week. Once a week is such a bummer.

I am a police officer and this story breaks my heart and makes me angry. There is no way she did it herself. There is legit no way she was making any of this up! Absolutely absurd! Those officers failed this poor woman. 🥺

She was stalked and killed they did not do justice for that poor women.

I am sorry for your loss of your Aunt, it's horrible that the police didn't believe her, and stopped doing anything to help her 😢 what a crying shame 😢. She didn't even get justice for herself or her family 😢

I love all your stories .you are the best story telling i have ever heard..

Let’s appreciate MrBallen because, despite the significant delay in posting this, he still got this video out. Thank you for your commitment sir!

Finally, someone who tells the story at a normal pace without annoying music, tons of ads or ridiculously placed cliff hangers.

Definitely think it was the "best friend".... from the beginning she was my guess and she just kept being around at the appropriate time... can't believe this didn't get more police attention. Soo sad 😞

I love your channel so much, thank you!

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I don't even want to get up this early for college classes determining my future in life, but for a Mr. Ballen video, that's different.

Love how you tell stories brother !

You also left out that she took a lie detector test, and she failed the part where they asked her if she knew who was behind all of this. And she refused to tell them who it was.

Cindy: *breathes* Police: pretty sure that's a lie too.

I hope everyone who reads this has THE BEST day ever!

was any investigation done of her friend Agnes? That sounds like a woman on the voicemail and she would know her number plus she often seemed to be there just after. Also if you have this much stuff happening you wouldn't go out and leave the door unlocked but I wouldn't be surprised if her friend had a key

As someone with DID : the fact that no one realized she had DID is very logical, this is an extremely “hidden” condition. Also full black out are not common in this disorder, even if they still happen for some of us. The DID theory seams realistic to me as I have friends that also almost got killed by another “personality” of theirs (they are actually called alters as they are not really personalities but more identities)

*woman has literal note stabbed through her hand* police: this chick just won’t stop until she gets our attention🥴🥱

The fact that the coroner found it would be impossible for her 'stage' her own death tells me the cops really f**ked up. I think they have a lot to answer for.

I feel like they should have investigated Agnes as well, because the phone calls audio sounded like a woman's voice and Agnes was her close friend

As a former Vancouver resident, I am well aware of the documented incompetence of the Vancouver police force. A decorated police veteran had pinpointed Canadian serial k*ller Robert Pickerton a good year before he was caught. Or at least pinpointed that his pig farm was a central location between all of the Murders. And the police force itself was subjected to public inquiry and slammed for allowing 49 women (a statement Pickton made after incarceration) to be ruthlessly murdered and their bodies eaten by his pigs.

Gotta love how the cops just got tired of Cindy, and stopped responding to her calls? Like, that’s your job guys!

I can’t believe basically watching a man tell stories is so riveting. It’s better than a documentary or a tv show. Ballen is definitely a true talent in story telling.

The incompetence of these police departments in this story is seriously mind blowing....🤯🤬

You’d think the police would take a case like this and find the culprit no matter what, but I guess pulling over people for rolling thru a stop sign at 2 mph is easier and more courageous.

Me: "So Cindy is a knot expert, suicidal maniac, arsonist, pathological liar, cat murderer, telephone line vandal...basically everything except an Apollo astronaut?" Police: "Yes." Me: "So Cindy is the victim of a stalker?" Police: "No."

The worst of this is that the police still thought she was faking EVEN WHEN SHE HAD TWO OTHER WITNESSES, one of whom physically saw the perpetrator run away, even if it was in the dark.

When cops come to a collective conclusion, that’s it, done, over, no other possibilities are even explored, sad but true, tons of cases prove this, on another note the recording does sound like a girl, not saying it’s her at all the evidence of her feet and the needle are very important, just that alone should of made the cops look harder at other possible suspects …. Tragic but fascinating story

The moment I heard about the dead cats, as a cat lover, that breaks my heart😢😢😢 Whoever the one that was responsible for this torment is pure evil and I hope they rot in hell😡😡😡

This same thing happened to me. But I'm a guy who was stalked by a much older guy. Cops didn't believe me either. My stalker was caught the night he stabbed me when I took my trash out. He's in prison now. But I had to deal with 6 months of death threats and him following me, it really screwed my head up and I've never been the same.

The amount of gaslighting from the police is strong in this case. I recommend the family contacting the FBI to investigate. There is a lot in this story to suggest the stalker was connected to the police department in some way.

“Dead meat soon.” That voice. It made me shudder and look around the room to double check that I was still alone.

1:14 October 7, 1982 12:53 May 25, 1989 That is 6 years, 7 months, and 18 days. If she was murdered, then her killer took an AWFULLY LONG TIME to finally getting around to it.

I've never been this frustrated with a story.

There’s a theory it was Roy, that’s pretty strong. This started just a few months after they split, and continued until her death. He didn’t have as solid of alibis as is mentioned here, he was just “trusted”, being a medical professional. He would have had access to morphine, etc, from his place of work. He also was the person who pegged Cindy as having “mental problems” to the police, implying to them that she was seeking attention. They believed him, as a “professional”.

Right before you were going to play the voicemail a terry crews ad came on and I was so confused.

I live with DID and I’m honestly not convinced…although truthfully it rarely ends up being like people expect it is. Thank you for the respectful way you spoke of DID, it’s rare for me to see/hear people not treat it as a joke. Much appreciated.

Cindy was murdered. I refuse to accept that all that time she was doing this stuff to herself. NO. RIP CINDY.

No matter who truly is the responsible for this, the police department involved with this case will always be responsible for letting it ever happen

I may be a little off base here, but I have a theory. And from what I have read I feel like a few of you would agree with me. The saying goes that truth is stranger than fiction, and it is also said that art imitates life. I have been writing fiction stories since I was a child and I've learned through research for my stories that most often, when a crime has a single victim, the villain is someone very close to them. They also have a tendency to show up looking like a hero. And there is one person, technically two, that have a tendency to show up repeatedly in this story: Agnes and her husband. My first reason for this conclusion is the voicemail left for the husband. The voice is clearly female. The tones, despite the feigned raspiness, are far to soft and pitched to high for that voice to belong to a man. You may ask, "Then why not have Agnes's husband make the call? Wouldn't that be more intimidating?" Indeed it would, but having a female voice on that voicemail takes away the credibility of the threat and has the bonus of making Cindy look guilty. Reason two: The stalker always knew. No matter where she went, or even if she changed her number, the stalker always had the information. This was in the 1980's. They didn't have "people search" websites and Google was still more than 20 years away, so if your number was unlisted it meant no one had it unless you gave it to them. So at the very least that means that someone Cindy knew gave the stalker her number. Even when she moved to a new city the stalking resumed very shortly. Reason three: timing and "witnesses". I find it a very convenient coincidence that Agnes would show up during one of the stalkers attacks. Cindy is nearly strangled until the attacker "hears Agnes's car" from the backyard. Does Agnes drive a Semi or ride a Harley? Or perhaps she drives a '76 Chevelle with a blown 454? I highly doubt any of those. It makes more sense to me that this entire scenario was engineered those cenemnt Cindy's trust and friendship in Agnes. Also included was the fire. Police and firefighters say that the perpetrator had to have already been in the house. Agnes and her husband would have been well aware that the police did not believe Cindy and actually accused her of staging it all. This means that no one would be looking at them as suspects. Imagine the level of power you would have to feel, knowing that you could almost certainly get away with murder and the cops would say she did it to herself. So why not take advantage of the situation? Some might say that it's stupid to thing the two would start a fire in a house that they are in, but they clue here is that "Cindy heard noise in the basement". Why would someone make noise if they were trying to burn someone's house down unless they were trying to preserve their own lives? They wanted her to wake up. And by feigning sleep when she came to them they solidified their alliby with Cindy and were able to make Cindy look guilty again. And let's not forget the story of the strange man in the street who ran away when questioned. If that's not the phoniest "he went that-a-way" I've ever heard. In truth that is the one slip up that the couple made. It was likely an attempt to make it look like they believed her, but was still entirely pointless. The last part of reason three is that, out of everyone in Cindy's life, Agnes, and her husband, are the only ones to ever be present when the stalker acted. If it was anyone else, the stalker would wait til they left. Reason four: no break-ins. Whenever something happened in Cindy's home, aside from the fire, there was never a sign of forced entry. Of course this would make it look like Cindy was making it all up, but someone who had a key could have done it all just as easily. Some may say that it's an assumption that Cindy would have given Agnes a key, but this was her best friend. I have a key to my best friends house and he lives an hour away from me. It's security. Something Cindy would have wanted, especially after the calls started. And, finally, reason five: anonymity. No matter what, where or when Agnes would fit in, look like she belonged. I'd like to know if she had a car-phone. They had the technology in the 80's. If so it's perfectly fiesable for them to have been watching her house the night she closed the curtains. At least I have reached the hardest part of all of this, and that's motive. Most would say there was none, but I disagree. I personally believe it was triggered by Cindy's divorce. There are people that believe that marriage is sacred, or, at the very least, meant to be life-long. It is certainly possible that Agnes was one of these types of people and took it as a personal affront that her best friend got a divorce. It may sound extreme, even bazaar, that someone could turn psycho on someone they love over something that had nothing to do with them personally, but in reality we never really know what will set someone off.