Thanks mate.

Thank you sir, good man👍

Dang man. They really do make it hard to make a video nowadays. I like to watch videos from many different genres, gaming, bushcraft/survival, craft etc etc and every single one pf them has similar problems.

Hi Alex I’ve been a big fan of your videos sense your first knife. I’m very happy to see that you’re ok, and this video is great as usual. I still want to purchase a couple of your strops you make, how can I get them if you still make them 🇺🇸

I think the company in question taking dubious actions against Pete have realized they're messing with the wrong upside-down Aussie man 😂

Amazon has a lot more product vetting than Temu and Aliexpress at least. I just got an extension cord off of Temu that had bare, unsautered wires at one end instead of a plug. I've had a lot more success buying higher quality products used off of Ebay and Craigslist when it comes to getting what I need at an affordable price.

Spot on

This is very reason i stopped shoping on Amazon. It is littered with scam and I do not have time to check every scam offer. It should be shop responsibility.

amazon has become a landfill simulator, it is absolutely impossible to find a good product

You guys are just too lazy to do the research. Besides, there are a few trusted names out there if you are picky. If you do not know how to search and evaluate on your own, yiu deserve to get burned. Amazon does not have the staff, time or resources to check each item listed by third party. If unhappy, return it and ask for a refund. Besides, you can buy junk just as easily at your local hardware store, or any other shopping venue. Remember the old Roman saying, Caveat Emptor - Let The Buyer Beware.

The newer DMT plates have a few QC issues... Gouges in the plates, or inconsistent grit ( occasionally you'll get one with a strangely out-of-place bigger grain of diamond on it... They leave nasty scratches).

@scottcrawford3745 I think breaking them in first helps. I start off using the plates on some tools and cheaper knives. After they have been used alot they are much better in my opinion.

Dmt is the best. I dont use over 1200 then go to leather, I carve sharpen everyday

Honestly I’ve used and own a ridiculous amount of DMTs, the course and fine are by FAR my favs, leave extremely keen edge. The extra fine HC (hardcoat version) simply can’t be broken in, leaves terrible scratches and doesn’t put a great edge on due to the lack of uniform particle sizes. That said, it’s oddly good for lapping other things flat (wouldn’t lap stones with it cuz it wouldn’t leave a surface with enough bite) If your method uses a strop, try stripping straight from the coarse and straight from the fine, you might be incredibly surprised by the quality and durability of the edges these stones provide! They nailed the particle size and density distribution on those 2 specific plates for sure Cheers

@@BenCase88We aren’t acting, homie. We truly ARE impressed. 😊

Unless you cut meat for a living or sharpen lawnmower blades with your water stone, it will not dish for many years. Rubbing it on a sheet of 180 grit wet-or-dry sandpaper every year will keep it flat as new.

@@Bob_Adkins To be honest I'd rather just stick with steel stones I now have that has a better sharpening medium (damond). I'd also rather not need a flat reference like a sheet of glass or steel with the 180 grit to see where the low spots are and make sure I'm actually improving the stone flatness. I'm also not sharpening lawnmower blades, but like a guy with a truck, when you have a stone you're not the only one using it so it does get some extra table time. I appreciate the solution, especially for those still using them, and especially to know for my old stones so thank you, but remember that this was from a video to corect mistakes from newbies.

The cheap diamond plates can be very curved! Look out for that

@@karelenhenkie666 Luckily I'm a buy once cry once kind of guy (only took me 5 years to get that TRM Neutron in stock, lol) but I honestly didn't even know that was possible, TYVM. Learn something new every day. Do you run a bubble level on it or flat edge, just in case the good factory was rushed on a late Friday that slipped out the door or whatever?

@@sqeeye3102 I have a flat piece of plane steel that ik take across it, baseball on the scratchen ( outside edges or inside) I can see immediatley if they are flat enough for my plane blades

A diamond sharpener ain't gonna help if you can't get a knife sharp with a wet stone. You have to know how to maintain the same angle, and how to get a burr. It wasn't the stone that dulled your knife, it was you

Pls dont flush Something Like STONES

@@dereksteele2284 I have one of these amazon whetstones and they really are garbage. I was using the 6000 grit side and a 2mm lump pops out of the surface. What caught this lump? the edge.

I've sharpened up piss dull chef's knives at work with these crap amazon stones over 100 times at work over the course of about a year. These stones really do work, they're just crap and irritating. Like the guy says, they're soft af and dish out super fast. You'll have to flatten them out constantly and they make mess all over the place. But they do work, I consistantly got low quality knives (relatively soft stainless steel) razor sharp, enough to make paper thin slices out of tomatoes. I do think these crap stones have a legit purpose. For someone wanting to learn how to freehand sharpen on a stone, get one of these crap-o stones for 20 bucks, one of those 400/1000 combo stones and a cheap food service chef's knife. Dull it up on the side walk and practice on the crap stone until you get the feel for it. Once you can consistantly raise a burr and finish it up, and get it cutting paper nicely, go get some real stones.

@@David-bc4rh he didn't say he had a lump on the stone, he just said the stone dulled his knife

Absolutely. Amazon is a last resort/ Look elsewhere first.

@@cryptostormer2512or if you have prime, look when you’re almost out of time and need something now

What’s so depressing a Spyderco has decided to discontinue their sharpening stones/bench stones. So hold onto those! I have the whole set and I’m not even gonna let them go. I will be keeping them dearly and making sure they’re safe.

@@markcoffman494 That's a damned shame. I only have the medium grit stone. I guess I'll have to get the diamond stones he mentioned.

​@@markcoffman494Your post damn near gave me a heart attack. The bench stones are still listed on their website. Where did you get the news?

Wow. Thank you. Good info.

oh ffs, I bought 2 of those. I swear, can't buy anything nowadays! Not even a rock!

That's what I use for quick chisel sharpening on the job: a broken piece of glass pane and some worn down 220 grit sandpaper. I'm not building a jewelry box so it's plenty sharp enough.

I would hope cos these stones are a tad more generic looking than the Huusk knife they’d have less of a leg to stand on but just FYI 😊

I know, thats why i didn't include any copyrighted content / all original. If they file a claim I'll fight it and re upload another video actually naming them. 👍

Re read the comment...I'll remove the links👍

yeah, just to be on safe side. in my new video i just showed them on screen so people couldnt actually click through to them and havent had an issue so far. They’ll probably claim for other stuff they can warp the claiming form to match but we take each day as it comes 😺

I removed the links. Thanks for the heads up👍 I completely forgot you had that issue on that video!

Here's a low cost trick for flattening soft stones like that: glue a sheet of coarse sandpaper (60-80 grit) on a piece of window glass, than stick the glass (on the opposite side) to a table with double sided tape to keep it in place. Grind the sharpening stone on the sandpaper in a circular motion, applying just enough pressure to keep good surface contact. You may need to brush or blow away the accumulated dust a few times so it doesn't clog the sandpaper, but the whole job shouldn't take more than 10 minutes or so.

​@@Dr_VIf you wet the glass before you put the sandpaper down it often doesn't move. No glue needed! :-) Some tile and countertop stores have 1ft square samples of their counter top material that they will give or sell you very cheap. Those samples are pretty thick and heavy. I also bought a 1 ft by 2 ft granite tile at a flooring store for a flattening project. These tiles are around 3/8 -5/8 in thick. These pieces of granite aren't as flat as a special machinist stone, but they work for sharpening blades, or polishing up a flat surface on many items.

Naw, if you know what you are doing then these generic stones work just fine in a professional environment.

I found this video because I wanna know the difference between a good and a bad (soaking) whetstone, but he just jumped right on to diamond plates. Still trying to find some good info on the subject

Im glad that i just bought a king stone instead of the amazon basics kit with every same stones.....

Would that be the 1000/6000 combo stone? I love that thing, so cheap compared to other options, but since I've used it I never felt the need to upgrade.@@gautierfiack8608

@@themindset3329 I have the same DMT diamond impregnated stones the guy in video has. Using them is a very different animal from those whetstones. Those diamond blocks do not play, they will shred metal right off the blade with ruthless efficiency. If I remember correctly, the package inserts state, "Let the diamonds do the work". You use very little pressure and run across it dry. You use a plastic veggie scrubber under some running water to clean it off, all that runs off it is metal from the blade. Zero dishing, no need to flatten, ever.

A good shapton stone is SO much better it's insane. And for the price they are extremely affordable 👍

there's nothing wrong with any of the cheap stones, its usually a lack of user experience.

@zeauz Anyone with some skill and experience can get a blade sharp on most anything. But l don't recommend these crappy tools to any beginner when they can get a couple really decent stones for less and have nice tools to learn on.

I've used them too, only paid 20 & while it isn't the greatest sharpener it absolutely gets my large kitchen knives sharp enought to easily go right through a tomato.

Yeah, I just sharpened my two knives up yesterday and they cut just fine. I guess I just don't know any better, but I've been using it for a couple years without an issue. I bought it just because it was cheap and I didn't know if I would be able to get the hang of it or not. If it does wear out on me, I'll get a nicer one next time.

If all you're sharpening is kitchen knives the stones don't have to be all that flat. If you're sharpening expensive wood chisels and plane irons the dead flat is very important.

His review is BS, I paid exactly what he did and got: "Knife Sharpening Stone Set , Includes 4 Side Grit 400/1000 3000/8000 Whetstone Knife Sharpener Kit,Safe Whetstone Knife Sharpener,Non-Slip Bamboo Base, Angle Guide,Polishing Compound，Leather Strop, Flattening Stone,Razor Strop,Rubber Holder and Honing Guide". And I got it in Canada. Normally stuff here is not available, or twice the price. Plus if i didn't like the product, I get "free" returns.

@@tacticalskiffs8134 None of that is related to anything he said in the video. So I cannot trust you about anything. OK it might be the same price but its clearly not the same product.

Melissa is awesome DBK are awesome and Outdoors55 is the goat. He much like my self (I have a strong instagram presence in the knife and free hand sharpening world) are very very tell it how it is personalities. Most of the knife "reviewers" here on YT are nothing more then China knife shills that are opening a box on cam, flicking the knife, looking at the steel that's marked on it and then calling that a review... it's nothing more then shilling 40 to 400 dollar China made knives and I have zero respect for it. Melissa is a pretty to the point chick just like I am, I don't beat around the bush when it comes to knives, steels or sharpening products and tell it exactly how it is. Even when the companies offer me free items to talk about they get slammed if the product isn't excellent for the price they are asking. There isn't any knife or stone coming buying this girl right here. If the product isn't quality and or I don't see the value in the product for the price they are demanding then all that will be pointed out in absolute detail. I used to have a little bit of respect for some of the knife reviewers but then China brands started getting in their pockets when the knife youtube started to massively gain subs about 2 years ago due to tons of new people coming in to the hobby because of quarantine. One that happened and all the reviewers start doing unboxing and "full reviews" all in the same video (how the hell you gonna "Review" a knife that you haven't done anything with but slice a piece of paper???) Of endless 40 to 80 dollar QSPs, Civivis, Kizers, cjrb etc etc that killed knife youtube. They become shills to get all those free 50ish dollar knives so they can make a bunch of videos and drive people to their links... it's sad really as a couple of the long timers I really enjoyed but once the shilling started this girl had to go. Alex and Pete (Cedric and ada) is literally the only bigger channels that have maintained ture to their viewers and haven't allowed the big China knife companies to get in their pockets and turn them in to 50 dollar Knife shills. DBK of course doesn't do the shill game neither (except for their DBK knife and I respect that because it's a well done knife). But out of all the main channels that do mostly folder videos Alex and Pete are the only two that didn't sell out for a bunch of free budget knives and some checks from the Chinese big OEMs. Alex you are pretty freaking badass and I truly respect you for how you have handled your channel and your tell it how it is personality! Please don't ever change my friend as you and Pete are the only two real knife channels left out there!

It is cheap whetstone you best buy a cheap diamond plate to level it as well as clean it after sharpening. Probably okay if you are sharpening cheap kitchen knives occasionally. But if you sharpening your expensive japanese kitchen knives or collection of expensive pocket knives.. best to listen to the advice in this video.

Hope you didn't pay more than 10 bucks

The dmt fine stone was the best purchase i have ever made

@@truthhurts2149exactly. It’s possible to get things sharp with a brick and some cardboard, so these stones work too. But the quality is in the 10 dollar range. If a waterstone is your thing, For less than 50 bucks you can get a King 1000/6000 with a plastic stand. It’s a budget take on their much harder/better stones, but still great quality from a well known brand, and good bang for your buck.

I wouldn't pay more than $5, I got a couple of cheap ones for $2 at the dollar sense store in Australia.

@@truthhurts2149 If he is happy with them and his purchase, it doesn't matter how much he paid.

Amazon is now just another front for Chinese crap, but then priced to its max.

@@rogierius I noticed that recently too

I have felt your pain!

On the other hand, I'm using one of those cheap stones with no problems. Your mileage may vary.

@@gbennett58 It also depends on how many knives you're sharpening in one sitting. If you're just doing one or two, it's not that bad, but if you try to do an entire collection at once (like I was when I made the original comment), it very quickly turns everything in the immediate area into a damp, slurry splattered mess.

@@resurgam_b7 My cheap Amazon stone was made in Japan, perhaps that makes a difference.

Naniwa professional/chosera and Shapton glass are absolutely phenomenal stones. So long as you are dealing with steels that are 66 or less hrc and have no vanadium or tungsten carbides both of those stones I just spoke of are AMAZING. I'm more of a super vitrified diamond and Metallic bonded cbn stone girl my self and those two types of stones are mostly what I do edges with (along with the atoma 140 that is what I do most reprofiling on) but I mostly deal with hard steels with very high carbide volumes so that's where they shine. When im dealing with carbons and more simple stainless alloys then I do most of those edges for customers on either shapton glass or Naniwa professionals. The edge quality those water stones are capable of on steels like super blue, 10xx, super gold, 14c28n, vg10 etc etc is pretty much untouched by any diamond or cbn abrasive. I find that the naniwa pros stop cutting efficiently on low carbide steels that are around 64hrc and the shapton glass do pretty well up until about 66hrc but those are pretty much the limits of the steel matrix hardness before the aluminum oxide abrasives in the stones just can't handle cutting the steel any longer. For the right steels you will love them, if you mostly deal with high performance high carbide ratio steels then don't spend your money on them as they will not do the job you need them to. A great option is resin bonded diamond, that's the best in between that feels closer to water stones yet has the cutting power to handle any steels you throw at it. They are more expensive BUT they will last an extremely long time and have the cutting power to handle any steel yet with a more refined water stone type edge rather then the typical highly aggressive diamond plate type edge.

​@@EDCandLaceNice to see a women loving the hobby (and knowing her facts)!

Can you pls give me the name (brand) of your ceramic rod? I'm about to buy one, your info may help. Thanks.

@@redangrybird7564 I honestly get a lot of use and success out of the Spyderco Sharpmaker set, and bought the extra coarse diamond rods, and the extra fine ( red tips) rods for it. In a pinch they will zip up almost any knife in a jiffy. I keep mine in the kitchen right beside my knife blocks ( yes, I have 2 blocks). I also pack it with my on every hunting trip, fishing trip, or any time I visit friends or relatives and zip up their knives too. Does 30 and 40 degree bevels, and can mount a single "stone" out the end for doing scissors ( this one will take you a bunch of practice/ trial & error, but can scissors Very sharp if you keep your angles true). They run about $75 CDN. ALWAYS use the safety guide rods that come with it... they're not hard to put on/take off, and WILL prevent a lot of slips... I also have a little pad of harh rubber that I rest mine on when I'm using it. Keep it secure. Do Not go too fast. Do not Push hard. Just take your time and they will do their job.

@@redangrybird7564 I've used the IOXIO white ceramic and the Cook's Standard ceramic rods with success. Don't expect these to remove nicks, or sharpen a dull knife, or perform other tasks requiring lots of metal removal; get a coarse/fine combo DMT diamond stone for that. These rods are best used to maintain an existing sharp edge. Don't be tempted to get a coarser rod; you may end up with a wavy edge over time because of inconsistencies in the pressure you apply to the edge as it passes over the rod. It is easier to maintain a straight edge using a large, flat stone. Like an 8" DMT diamond stone, for example... Ceramic rods are fragile; dropping one will likely break it. A ceramic rod is very hard. It's also round. The contact patch between a blade and the rod is TINY. All pressure focuses through that very hard, tiny point on the rod, making it very easy to deform an edge. Knocking your blade against a ceramic rod does bad things to your edge. Using too much pressure also does bad things to your edge. So don't get the idea you can sharpen / hone your knife the way the way you see "pros" do it on TV, slapping your blade up and down the rod at high speed. Use light, consistent pressure. I use the lightest pressure I can apply that still allows maintenance of consistent edge angle and pressure as the blade is drawn down the rod. If the bevel of your knife is rounded, chances are you'll end up making the knife duller rather than sharper because of the difficulty of maintaining the correct angle. If the bevel of your knife is hollow, ha ha ha... either dump your wheel sharpener or don't bother with any other sharpening or honing mechanism, because the correct angle is achievable only with the wheel sharpener that created the bevel. Use a DMT coarse diamond stone to regrind rounded or hollow bevels flat, followed by fine, then finish off with your ceramic rod. Good luck.

Rods don't sharpen. They align the edge. Next time you sharpen on a stone, try to align the edge on the stone itself. Your knives will get dull eventually, doesn't matter if you use the rod or not as the sole purpose of the rod is to align the edge and not to be abrasive, so you will always need to use a stone to carve a new, sharp edge.

@@sacoto98 steel rods may not sharpen, you are right, but he mentioned ceramic ones. Aren't Japanese ceramic whetstones made of ceramic, same as ceramic rods?

Ive heard some good and bad reports stemming from the same issue. Either dmt has counterfeit items being sold in their name, or they are selling seconds themselves on Amazon. The link I left was to the item from the DMT store. I ordered mine from the same place (Amazon) 5 years ago. I reached out to dmt a couple years ago about this issue, as i was trying to become a dealer. I never got a straight answer so I decided to not become a dealer. Unfortunately I haven't had much luck with any other diamond stones either.

I think DMT qc might not be up to top standards. I’ve bought quite a few from Amazon and one of them double sided Duo sharp, had really bad quality on one side. After very little use there’s a big spot where all diamonds are just gone. But the backside (325 grit) is still in great shape after 3 years, so definitely not a counterfeit but rather as mentioned, bad quality control.

@@jez76overall, Atoma is way better quality. I like DMT but Atoma are better made.

Why ever on Earth would you say it's "definitely not a counterfeit" when nearly all products on Amazon a clearly factory-seconds/thirds, obvious counterfeits, used-abused/returned then resold, outright scams, etc. Buy direct from DMT and you will likely be very pleased. P.S: I do not nor have ever ever worked for/with DMT or have any relation to them whatsoever (they are quite expensive but that seems to be the "system." Good luck, 76.

@@jess60901 well as I said, the backside of the same stone is perfect after 3 years and maybe 100-150 sharpenings, and it was bought on the DMT Store on Amazon, so yeah definately not a counterfeit but rather very bad QC…

Where I live scythe stones are 2-5$ , but knife stones are atleast 10 times the price, and often more. What are your results with using scythe stones on knifes?

@@weakest_serb They work exactly the same providing you select the appropriate grits and the slight shape difference doesn't impact sharpening technique (or maybe I'm so used to them that I don't notice it).

I agree that these stones are good for learning. I have a cheap one, and it's much more obvious when the angle is off compared to a cheap diamond stone.

I just got one a few days ago too. Then I found this video 😢

Same here. Got one labeled "Amazon Basics" which was the top seller in the category. Was only 15 bucks though.Said it was 400/1000 but I doubt it. terrible usage and experience. Needs constant rewatering and the water seems to go through it immediately. Rating 4.7 out of 5 stars LOL. Stay away!

Awesome 👍 some absolutely love the whetstone process. Glad you only spent $25 too!

Yeah they can be a cheap start to sharpening and practicing technique

mine are just ok too, and came with a flattening stone which works okayish too

Thanks for the kind words! Im glad someone gets my attempts at comedy😆👍

I even just went as far as using your affiliate link to buy your first suggestion even though a Home Depot is within 5 mins of me.

Been using the same Diamond plates for well over 10 years now… the speed they sharpen and the fact they stay flat just means they get used more and everything else works better. I remember struggling so much with cheap stones back in the day.

It also happens that a Chinese manufacturer gets a legitimate order to build quality products (that they can deliver cheap compared to the competition, due to subsidies) for a respected brand. After the order is completed, the manufacturer has the know-how to make knock-off items by substituting 'expensive materials and QC' with 'cheap materials and no QC'.

@@DreadX10 maybe so. In my experience that hasn't happened yet. Always met with products built with sub par methods and technology probably because of the reason "we don't know how to make it properly but this way will work just fine". Otherwise it's blatant low quality. More often than not tho, you get what you pay for as they say.

When shopping for things on Amazon, I try avoid items that are being sold by multiple vendors but look identical, unless I know that it originated from a specific company and that company is selling it on Amazon. But I don't care that much about brand names for most things that I buy and will happily buy off brand to save money unless the name brand is only a little bit more than the generic version.

@@Riceball01 yeah I must admit my brand names are few and far between, not many get a second chance to screw me over