you can build the same rifle for $5k

@@2Boutdoors I’m sure you can. Everyone has their own preference of brand and cost.

I have a few ideas already brewing on some follow up videos to this one! ☝️ 🔥

Heck Yeah! I'm yet to mess around with the MTR, but I've heard good things about it.

Nice! Where did you purchase that bad boy?

Scope choice?

#NightForce NX8 4-32x50 F1

$3700 seems a little on the cheap side for those components TBH, but I guess it depends on what gun smith is putting it together for you! Your not wrong when you say "weights" and "wages". You'll notice in the video where I say when you have something lightweight your trading "backpackability" for some "shootability", but I will say for how lightweight this rifle is it shoots lights out, but comparing my custom builds to this ultralight custom rifle is different because those guns are 3-4 pounds heavier than this rifle. Do they shoot excellent? Yes! Does this shoot excellent? Yes! Which one would I rather pack on a sheep hunt? Def this one!

You bet. Thnx for watching!

LOL. With enough discipline you can save! ;)

It depends on the hunt quite honestly. Both are amazing, but if I had to take an ultralight mangum rifle for a sheep hunt I would take the Tundra Ti.

When have you ever said that beautiful hand carved, hand painted, hand crafted piece of furniture that looks way amazing and performs way amazing is overpriced? I realize furniture doesn't perform, but you get the drift.

@@MuleyFreak that’s not the point. The point is that the proof name isn’t worth it either. Some of the best gunsmiths in the country don’t charge that much for a rifle. These rifles are still mass produced, they are not a real custom rifle

And my point is this...custom rifle builders push whatever barrels they can get quicker than a PROOF barrel so they can hurry and get the gun built and turn cash. Other barrels shoot good enough that they'll put their names behind them. Additionally, some custom rifle builders threw adults sized tantrums about PROOF's prefits and also decided to go a different direction as a result. You know as well as I do that the internet is 100% transparent and there will also be haters.

@@MuleyFreak proof barrels are not the best on the market. If we are being honest here you didn’t pay for that rifle and proof sent it to you to do a review. If they let you keep it then that’s fine, but proof rifles are still mass produced and not custom. I’ll take a rifle where I can sit down with the gunsmith and have it built to my specs. That’s a custom rifle, not buying it off their website.

I've been shooting PROOF barrels/rifles for the better part of 10+ years just an FYI. Other manufactures don't even come close to their production and thorough testing processes. Additionally, there's been plenty of other barrels companies approach us that would throw arguably more money at us to shoot their stuff, but we shoot PROOF because we believe in it and we support good companies and good people. We don't chase money and we certainly don't digest hate and or jealousy.

KGM on it now. 🔥

I've gotta highlight the real ones what can I say! "Burn Bucks" for the win!

You and Aaron are my heros!

Thanks for watching!

Not really sticky, just not butter 🧈 like some steels actions. They’re both nice. In the moment I don’t think about it.

It’s funny that you mention this because I actually thought about doing this with it my next time out at the range! I don’t have a brake for it yet, but I plan on getting on very 🔜 not sure if you’re new to the channel or not, but you’re very welcome here! Thanks for weighing in! 💪🆒

What scope u run ?

#NightForce NX8 4-32x50 F1

@@MuleyFreak Light rifle.. Heavy scope.. That top heavy feel... Not for me..

How's she group?

Waypoint or redline? Never heard of it.

@@MuleyFreakSpringfield

I'll have to check it out.

Lots of other more affordable options from PROOF too. Just sayin'....

Arizona elk hunts aren't 8K either lol

LMK when you find an 8K AZ elk tag 🏷️

LOL. Well, I would say that NX8 is a major upgrade from that $100 scope!

@@MuleyFreak zeco 840 and s&b pm2 ones I want but you know that old sayin….want in 1 hand….👊🏻

LOL. I'll have to check it out.

@@MuleyFreak I know you know what a Schmidt&bender pm2 is…

Yessir! I don't have personal experience with them, but I've heard good things.

Right on! Let us know how you like it.

It will be out in the next couple months so I’ll let you all know.

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Man, I love that TS for more long distance stuff, but I love this one for how lightweight it is. It would just depend on the application, really. Those two 7MMs are my favorite though.

Nice

Video coming soon on 7 PRC vs 7 PRC

Look forward to it.

Thank you, sir! It’s an awesome piece!

It’s more steady and bucks recoil better, yes.

A little easier to handle, but sucks to carry in the backcountry. #tradeoffs

Thanks for watching!

She’s dirty for sure! Thnx for watching!

Strength to weight, yes, as we are speaking to ultralight components.

*_Thanks for watching, Jason!_*

Thanks, J!

I'd say excellent choice in calibers, sir! The 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC are also some of our favorites! What is the purpose behind the rifle going to be for? Whitetail short range? Or Western big game?

@@MuleyFreak western big game mainly mnt goat and elk. Moose.

Next question: backpack hunting or truck hunting?

@@MuleyFreak back pak I run mystery ranch

@MuleyFreak my primary game is moose elk and mountain goat I'm from north eastern bc

Right on! I hear those MTR are solid. It’s just different. It’s lighter - for fine details, but my other rifles shoot great. I’ll do a grouping video on this rifle here soon.

I also run Tikkas and am confounded by all these full carbon titanium rifles that cost an arm and leg. A factory superlite in 7 rem mag is 6.1 lbs, add some lightweight talley direct mount rings that saves pic rails as well. Sub MOA guaranteed for $1000 USD. Unless I’m missing something?

Haha. There’s nothing wrong with supporting our 2A rights in the form of a Tikka - especially if they shoot well for you and you like them! This rifle just has different features than a Tikka, first starters, that adjustable. (Maybe Tikka has one? iDK) lots of times these rifles are built for specific bullets and speeds too. Something you don’t necessarily do when you walk into a sporting goods store with that same intention. Thanks for the comment!! Appreciate guys like you on our channel!

Tundra Ti feels amazing in the hand, homie. That adjustable is straight fire 🔥 too.

I'm a a huge fan of installing a rail using a atlas bipod. I am currently building a lightweight rifle... will a bipod hurt the stock on that type of lightweight build. In the field should I just use my pack as a rest or install a rail. What r your thoughts

I'm a huge fan of a rail and a partial fan of the atlas. I've used it for a lot of years, but I don't like the ease of use when you're proned out like I do say the Magpul 1911. As far as the bipod hurting that pretty stock I will have to check. I can't imagine it doing so. I would say shooting off a backpack isn't as accurate but it can be faster and at short distances and where time is a factor it might be better.

It's an ultra light sweet shooting rig!

Thanks for watching!

If you’re comparing it to a ruger 10/22 lol

​@@MuleyFreakSeekins Havak Element? 1 lb lighter. 5k less $

Never heard of it...

No one ever said you couldn’t build a custom rifle for less, but buying a production stock and putting it together with other components isn’t necessarily the same level of custom.

Erik has been shooting MIL scopes for 5-6 years and swears by it for several reasons! (Sounds like a future video). Erik mentioned at the end of the video he fully plans on installing a rail on the end to gain that cant adjustability back to his set up._

MIL is where it's at. Thanks for watching!

Thanks for watching!

Can't say I don't agree with you!

@@MuleyFreak good video man 🤙🏽 was hoping to see the groups lol

I'll do another video with groups here soon!

Thanks, bro! As far as your prone comment goes when lying prone I would still be hunting/shooting with this bipod. Additionally, when lying prone I would be shooting with the exact same rear bag as well. The only difference is by feet being sprawled out which doesn't always happen when hunting in the field either (positions get weird sometimes). Now if I were shooting out of a lead sled I would let you roast me in the comments lol. As far as barrel life goes, I'm not worried about the 15 rounds I shot in the video affecting my barrel life! :)

I didn't want to lay in the snow ha ha

@@MuleyFreak shooting prone mitigates recoil, having all of your body weight behind the rifle while shooting any rifle…let alone an “ultra-lite” rifle increases accuracy. Notice you did not display your groupings? Proof is always in the pudding & I’m not sold on the rifle if it doesn’t hold the advertised accuracy guaranteed by the manufacturer. The sponsor most likely wants your viewers & its customers to see that their product shoots accurately like the test target shows. Didn’t want to lay in the snow, C’mon man! Lay a piece of cardboard & a shooting mat down to resolve that issue!?!?! As a backcountry hunter, shooting at game while laying in the snow is inevitable. Not trying to blow up your comment section, only trying to help you. If I offended you, that’s your problem not mine. Stay humble, none of us are perfect & or know it all. 😎🤙

Of course it does. The more meat behind the weapon the less recoil. Always appreciate folks offering constructive feedback and opinions - appreciate guys like you on the channel. Happy New Year!

Custom built one! :)

Medium

Sounds solid.

They are my daughters, actually. Do you have something against pink?

@@erikvanwoerkom1896 naw man. Just having fun. Happy new year!!!!!

@@eze2190 Ha ha. I was actually waiting for someone to comment on these! Happy New Year to you as well, brother!

LOL. Surprised it took someone this long to make a comment on those pink walker game ears.

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Fierce makes a good rifle too. Ferrari vs Corvette.

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Highly reccomend?

I’ve heard good things about that and the salmon river solutions stuff

We will do a video on brake vs suppressor coming up!

Brake and or suppressor coming soon.

Thanks for watching!

All things Hornady have been rock solid for us - especially that ELD-X bullet. Always mushroomed perfectly on the opposite side shoulder.

Additionally, V-max are killer on coyotes! :)

@MuleyFreak do not care for them just a personal opinion. But also still no answers on why Hornady is claiming 3,000 fps it isn't happening 28 to 2850 is all u getting and that is with a 24 inch barrel. Sounds like false advertising to me

Everybody's barrel is a bit different. Slow barrel perhaps?

Not really if you think about it - especially for a magnum caliber. Adds some much needed weight in my opinion.

@@MuleyFreak just got a fierce rival in .300 prc and wondering if I need a heavier scope to take down the snappiness.I already have the added weight of a can to help

What scope are you running on top of the Fierce .300 PRC - I'm curious. Glad to hear the weight of the cans is helping!

@@MuleyFreak I was looking to upgrade my scope to either Vx6 3-18x50 which is around 21 ounces or the nx8 2.5-20x50 coming in around 29 oz

Both great options. I own both! I'd say more durability in the NX8.

Thermal conductivity/diffusivity is altered by the orientation of the wrap and resin used. #technique

It’s a Ferrari.

This rifle is a Ferrari. Lots of corvettes out there that run just fine too.

Ya but a corvette will do just fine and the Camaro ss 1le is a track monster that can beat a Ferrari

Yup, Vetter and Camaro fair just fine. It's a matter of taste and budget.

@@MuleyFreak yes just not in my budget if I had the extra money I’d probably buy it

Copy that. Thanks for watching and glad to have you on our channel.

Easy to install a rail.

What part of carbon fibers barrels aren’t you sold on?

Rifle can handle it fine, but a lot of folks prefer a can even with a mid-weight and even hevaier builds. #hearingprotectionmatters

Can’t build a custom stock though I will say…and they’re not really custom paint jobs either.

From the sounds of it (300 yards) your rifle serves likely a much different purpose than this rifle will serve. We are comparing a Ferrari to a Mustang and their applications like your rifle and my rifle are completely different. I'm not saying you need to spend 10Gs to get a rifle that shoots either. I'm just saying they are completely different builds, tastes, and applications.

What scope are you using and how far out have you been on targets?

Using the #NightForce NX8 4-32x50 F1. Shot steel out to 720 yards.

It’s the Ferrari of ultralight long range hunting and naturally, it comes with a price tag.

It def has recoil, but a brake and or suppressor should buck that some.

I'll let you know how it shoots prone with a brake and or suppressor.

Another video coming on grouping.

Ferrari's aren't cheap.

@@MuleyFreak I'm just gonna go straight to a barret .50 at that point

@@smicksmookety .50 cal would be excellent for a 200 lb deer lolol

Buy once. Cry once.

@@erikvanwoerkom1896 I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to ferraris and 8K rifles, except on the fact that if you bought this you wouldn't be able to afford ever buying again.

No love for the 7 PRC!?

@@MuleyFreak not when I run a 195gn Berger at 2912 out of the 7 mag 26” and a 175 Berger at 2975 out of a 7 mag 22”. 7 PRC was never needed. Especially with long mag fast twist factory options in 7 mag. You can even beat those speeds with a custom throat. 7 mag as a .115 freebore as its saami chamber. 7 mag was way beyond its time. It’s like they knew what the future of the long heavy bullets would become.

@@SpudOutdoorsyes, but, for factory options and factory ammo the 7 MM doesn’t outrun the 7PRC.

@@erikvanwoerkom1896 you can buy factory ammo with 195 and 180 and 175 for 7 mag. You can’t beat the 7 mag on factory offerings or ammo offerings. Or brass or materials to reload. Plus with the shorter freebore you can run more bullets than the 7 PRC. No offense but that round is a joke. Most and I mean most people shouldn’t hunt past 600 yards and 30-06, 7 mag both can smash an elk at those distances with decent loads but their full potential is much further. Not to mention way better bullets than hornady offers. A person shooting over 600 yards on an animal should not be using factory ammo to begin with. They should be reloading and getting the max accuracy and low SDs and low ES. The only thing it is going to do is force manufacturers to hurt the 7 mag sales. Which is just ridiculous for all the 7 mag users which is a lot of hunters. I personally run 2 7 mags. My buddy runs 3. Most people I know use 7 mags. The avg hunter hunts 300 yards and in. I am all for new cartridges when it’s needed. But didn’t care for the 300 PRC after I saw what a 300 win mag can do with a 245 EOL over 2800 fps with less powder than PRC. Now 6.5 PRC I like. We did not have a well established 6.5 magnum. Why haven’t they made a 25 PRC. Great caliber.

I agree and disagree with you. The round is incredible. (disagree part.) Most folks shouldn't shoot past 600 yards (Agree part). Factory ammo past 600 yards from a trained individual is completely and totally acceptable. Not everyone has the time or means to reload and thankfully so because factory options these days are incredible. That said, I love the 7MM as well. It's a great options!

I think there’s “ultralight” then there’s “stupid light”. 4.6 lb in a Weatherby caliber would fit under that category.

Honestly the weight of that rifle is what is considered normal/average weight. Because 99% of rifle made are 6 to 7.5 pounds.

Additionally, those factory rifles were engineered to shoot 300 yards too.

Comparing apples to oranges, but TS makes a good rifle for sure. We own quite a few TS rifles as well.

⁠@@MuleyFreak Hey MF, I agree with you that comparing a fine custom rifle such as a TS customs rifle to the proof Tundra Ti is apples to oranges. However, not in the way you think it is. The Proof rifle is inferior in every way, except perhaps weight. Its $7300 price tag does not boast any impressive features. Your inability to customize the rifle makes it a high end low value off the shelf factory rifle. You honestly should have probably bought a gunwerks, and that is not something I can say I have ever recommended. Now, let’s get into the details. First this is a $7300 rifle WTF MF. (I know you got it free) Second, titanium does boast light weight performance, however, there are many premium action companies who won’t build on titanium due to its inability to handle higher pressures like its steel counter part with lightening cuts. Third, the fact it comes with swivel studs is laughable, what high end modern rifle lacks picatinny or arca of any kind? Fourth, carbon barrels are great for saving weight but I disagree that proof is the gold standard for any level of accuracy, check out any precision rifle related event. Fifth, you have a $7300 rifle with no muzzle device included. At this price point, I don’t see how you could recommend this rifle to anyone- it’s a fine rifle but not great. There are so many capable custom gunsmiths who could make a vastly superior rifle to a customer’s exacting specifications that would far exceed the proof rifle across the board with a savings north of $1500, muzzle break included and a bipod mounting system from this century. You are a tremendous hunter- however, you are doing a major disservice to your loyal fan base by recommending a clearly inferior product.

@@MuleyFreak I see. Can you explain to me how this is a apples to oranges comparison? Thank you.

David, Erik here. How are you, brother? First off, I own more TS Customs rifle than probably Travis himself lol. Travis makes an incredible product, but as far as the apples and oranges comparison it's pretty simple. Travis doesn't make his own barrels, bottom metals, or actions currently. (PROOF doesn't make actions either). He started having some stocks made and fine stocks they are. With that said, there's my apples and comparing oranges comparison. Next item of business, I'm not recommending this rifle to all our fan base as it doesn't fit everybody's wants, needs, and budgets. With that said, imagine having your own custom rifle where you make your own barrels and stocks in house! Pretty incredible, really. Lastly, I wish it had an arca and or break too, but the brake is an easy fix and a smith can add an arca without much effort. Thanks for the compliment on my hunting abilities! Happy New Year!

@@MuleyFreakI’m doing well! Thanks for taking the time to make a thoughtful response. In the sense that Proof builds much of the rifle in house, I agree it is apples and oranges, I guess to me I more care about performance, and performance to value matrix. I have owned many proof barrels, and they have a definite performance edge over factory and semi custom options. Gunwerks has taken it up another notch or in house manufacturing but I don’t think they offer a good value either. Have a good one

Fierce makes a good rifle! No disputing that! Their rifles also shoot really well too, but again, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Fierce isn't on the same level as far as craftsman ship goes IMHO. And I'll say this again - they make a solid product. It's just not the same caliber. It's like comparing a Ferrari vs a Corvette. Both are aweomse, but there's just a lot more detail in one vs the other.

What @erikvanwoerkom1896 said

That’s interesting because I have heard nothing but horrible for Fierce. I know someone who theirs shot like 3.5” groups. Now Christensen are the ones I really question mark…. Have seen nothing but bad with them.

Thanks for watching!

We are big fans of Adam Weatherby, but not necessarily the free bore of those high velocity calibers, unfortunately! The ergonomics and materials on the stock alone are of the cost of the Weatherby rifle. Custom hand finished stuff isn't cheap!

You won't talk me into a Weatherby, but I respect the heck out of those guys!

I wouldn’t really call a 9.5lbs rifle ultra light weight. Ultra light gets thrown around way too much. Many manufacturers have sub 6 or even sub 5 lbs rifles now. Putting a 2+ lbs scope on there also defeats the purpose of the set up. Looks like a great rifle but far from ultra light weight.

This isn't 9.5 pounds - did you mean with a bipod?

This rifle isn’t for everybody; however, they have rifles for other budgets.

How is it pointless? It’s an ultralight long range rifle. Its purpose is for extreme mountain hunts where shots are 500+ and ounces are counted.

@@MuleyFreak not talking about weight might as well go with a 6.5 prc or some other short action mag IMO if I'm gonna have a magnum at a minimum of 24 inch barrel is my pick but it's just my opinion and what I like.

Personally, I think the 24" is my preferred length.

Buy once. Cry once. Hand crafted stuff ain’t cheap.

Can't put a price on this kind of craftsmanship, honestly. I get it's more than most are willing to pay, but there's guns for those guys too! :)

Thanks for watching!

Anything other than off hand? 🤔

Do explain….

Crickets!

NO CRICKETS HERE BIG DOG. I SAID LOOK INTO IT, I DIDNT SAY LISTEN HERE. AND A GUY CAN CHOOSE TO EDUCATE HIMSELF OR NOT….YOUR PREROGATIVE JUST SAYING MAYBE BE CLEAR THAT WHAT YOURE DOING HERE IS MARKETING. WHICH IS ALL WELL AND GOOD. BUT DONT DISGUISE IT AS EDUCATIONAL WITH A FEW FACTS ON METAL COMPOSITION. THE STOCK IS NOT OPTIMAL FOR THE PURPOSE. YOU EVEN SPEAK TO IT….THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED AND THE WAY YOU PLAN ON EMPLOYING IT…. NOT TRYING TO BE A DIK HERE, JUST SAYING THAT THERE IS ALOT LOT MORE VALUE IN MAYBE HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MAY POSSIBLY WANT IN A TOOL FOR AN INTENDED USE… AS OPPOSED TO TELLING THEM ABOUT HOW SHINY THE ONE YOU CHOSE IS. THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THE THINGS YOURE SHOWING HERE, NOT ALL BAD - BUT IT WILL INFLUENCE SOME PEOPLE AND A LOT OF BAD CAN COME FROM THAT. AGAIN, NOT SHITTY ON YOU OR THE VIDEO, ITS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THE FOLKS AND PRODUCT THAT SUPPORT YOU.

Stop yelling at me though. What's with the all caps? ;)

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