Is there a viable alternative to the Linux Foundation?

i hate to see everything good systematically polluted by corporate crap. linux foundation is no exception. I wish Apple made an ad showing those guys and saying something like "Mac is so good, even the linux foundation uses it"

I don't even know what LF does. They offer Linux courses for high prices and memberships. I became a member but after I did that nothing happened. No newsletter or anything. Was a complete waste of Money.

I didn't realize Tencent was a platinum member of The Linux Foundation. That's scary.

_100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs_ -the Linux Foundation donation page. Is the Linux Foundation interested in Linux at all? 🤷‍♂️

They care about Open Source, but not Free (as in freedom) Software. If you ever noticed pretty much every one of these companies make some kind of open source project in one way or another that is usually licensend under a permissive license and not a copyleft license.

From the Linux Foundation website, "The Linux Foundation, the home of Linux creator Linus Torvalds and lead maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman, provides a neutral home where Linux kernel development can be protected and accelerated for years to come." It is apparent the Linux Foundation is solely focused on the linux kernel not free/libre software not open source software in general.

Sadly the truth is most corporations and colleges force windows/macos on the users. But the linux foundation people using macos is actually rediculous.

Seeing Tencent in that list of Platinum Members is giving me the creeps.

I believe that the Linux Foundation having Linux in the name is mostly an artifact by this point. Kinda like the Apache Software Foundation. They run so many other projects completely unrelated to the projects that kickstarted each foundation.

It's important to remember the scope of the Linux foundation. The foundation's primary goal is not the development of the desktop. Their goal is to ensure Linux gets continued development in the areas of server computing and other business applications. Look at top donors to the foundation. it wasn't exactly a secret. That is always what it was about. Making sure it can be maintained for enterprise applications. If you care about free and opened source software, the FSF has always been there.

Wow, I’m absolutely shocked. I’ve been using TLF’s “Introduction to Linux” course on edX, and in it they espouse and gush over the merits of open source software. I’m on chapter 7 of 18, but I’m wondering if there’s a better way to go about learning Linux... any suggestions?

You'd think they'd want to use Linux.

I would love to hear their response to this. It would be interesting.

So I started watching expecting something obvious like using office instead of libreoffice, or something like that- and then you said inDesign. That instantly turned me around on this opinion, because the linux alternative to inDesign is Scribus, and I *hate* Scribus. It is not intuitive, not fast to use, not well laid out. I want to be clear here- I went to school for a design related field, and learned indesign in the course of that education. I despise inDesign. I just despise Scribus even more. The only program I've ever actually enjoyed in a publishing workflow like this is Affinity Publisher, which sadly Affinity have no have plans to move to linux ever (for any of their 3 programs, which are great and are quickly becoming the last anchors to a dual boot setup for me unfortunately). So I think there is a discussion to be had here about computers being tools, and you use the tool that lets you get the job done. If you're trying to argue your existence as a foundation, and your foundation is all about spreading one particular choice, but part of the mission of perpetuating adoption and knowledge about that choice means using some less savory tools for lack of choice because those tools actually allow for the productivity you need- this is a bit of a no brainer for me. If inDesign is in their workflow, it might be a matter of working with printers for events that are used to indesign files and don't want to goof around with open formats when they have some automated process expecting the closed format they've been handed for 25 years to spot color and print a job in 10 minutes instead of 3 hours. It might be a matter of the artists doing the layout work just being more familiar with inDesign, and the learning curve for the alternative tools not allowing them to meet a necessary deadline. Tool vs Ideology. Both have some place in the world, neither is effective if they can't make allowances for one another. I'm all for being critical of an entity like LF on the basis of how they spend money, how wasteful, whether actions and processes further the stated mission, whether policies respect members freedoms and personal liberties or force them to behave as 'sanitized' as their corporate backers, and who pulls financial strings. I think going after them over something like this only makes those issues worse, because it can potentially lead to them still having all this resource and influence and not even outputting anything productive on top of that, existing purely for self perpetuation.

i can't understand the dislikes. what's the reason?

After watching this, I decided to see if they even have a mission statement. I was unable to find such a thing. Why would people donate to someone that doesn't publish their goals and intentions?

Remember when they kicked Linus out?

I am a thirty-year IT engineer that has been working with UNIX since the late 80’s and Linux from the mid-90’s (very early user) and I have never ever used Linux as a desktop. I used to have the privilege of using UNIX workstations over the years and liked them. (DEC/SUN/HPUX) My last UNIX workstation was a Sparc 10 and it gave up the ghost five years ago but it had become a novelty and not a daily driver. But for a very long time I have used Apple’s end user devices and they work very well for me. I am not an Apple worshiper but I am productive with their tools. We also license Microsoft’s O365 suite for business collaboration and document management. Our data centers and cloud based infrastructures are nearly 90% Redhat/Ubuntu servers. (As of today we have approximately 14,000 Linux installations in production across three cloud platforms.) We only run Linux as a server, never as a desktop. The Linux desktop space doesn’t really mean anything to a lot of us. It is the server side of the discussion that pays our bills. About half of our engineers who are our primary datacenter admins run Windows 10. If you have ever had to manage very large scale infrastructures like we do, you often do not have the luxury of being system purists. (Our companies revenues are $3.4Bn annually.)

Tell us how you really feel.

Does that mean my LPI studies are worth anything? Should I swith to focusing RHEL cert?

I shared DT's video on a recent Linux Foundation Facebook post.

It appears the incriminating information has been removed from the document. I just downloaded and cannot see it with any of my Linux PDF viewers

Personally, I would have cc'd your email to everybody on that front cover. They reviewed and signed off on it so, how could they have missed the whole Adobe on a Mac thing? I may just do that myself.

blender foundation is more honest than linux foundation. two thumbs up #blenderfoundation

I had Oracle in South Africa come present to us about their offerings including their LInux (so it was not only about Linux) but they used MS Windows with MS Office. I did point out to them that actually they should be using their "own" product.... Corporate Marketing just don't understand really what their products are about...

I agree, however. You can't expect every vendor and employee to use Gimp, Inkscape and Scribus when the entire design industry has been built upon vendor lock-in. 😒 They really should make using FOSS software a requirement if they believe in their own core values. It's an easy win.

i'm sure they installed arch on their macbooks ;)

By the way, I run Arch on my Macbook Pro

It's like Toyota execs riding bunch of BMWs or Tim Apple presenting new iPhone via Microsoft Surface book 3 on the stage...

On a broader note, why does a foundation use proprietary standards for public documents anyway? How hard is it to use an open format these days? It's been literally years since libreoffice had any major microsoft office format incompatibilities. It's trivial to export such open files to pdf. Does libreoffice still need campaigning now?

Maybe it's time to fork Linux Foundation to new Linux Foundation...

Can we use your e-mail as a template for a copypasta? If we spam their inboxes over and over they should do something 😁

I haven't looked into it, but maybe there isn't a good enough open source alternative for linux?

You have my full support. I will share this video to let more people know about this.

Hey Derek...please don't hold back... :) ... Don't powder puff this...thanks for pointing this out. And thanks for taking a stand. In the Linux community...we are different...and should be proud of it. You are correct about walking it back and pointing out the relationship that The Linux Foundation has with biz...and what it does. But you know what...this is like someone from Ford...on the Board of Directors...and is driving a Hyundai...and has a Toyota LandCruiser in the garage...sitting next to a BMW. Would be nice to see if these people actually EVER use Linux...and any flavor of it.

Sorry to start a tangent, but what PDF viewer is the one shown at 2:08?

what's the pdf editor that you use?

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If we wake up 10 years from now with Linux being like Windows or Mac just flock to BSD until they slowly take that over, that kind of stuff is possible in Linux I've used that Libre office stuff to publish an ebook and get like 20 sales on Amazon.

"The Linux Foundation promotes, protects and standardizes Linux by providing unified resources and services needed for open source to SUCCESSFULLY COMPETE with closed platforms." The goal itself is already a defeat.

Isn't Linus Torvalds part of The Linux Foundation?

I would just say .. "The right tool for the right job". My corp gig requires me to use a Mac, but I'm running about 12 Linux containers under Docker Desktop on that Mac. :)

Canonical is also using Macbooks with installed Ubuntu for Ubuntu development and Macboocs with Mac OS for graphic design.

Hey DT! What's your pdf viewer?

Its like microsoft using linux run servers when they have windows server edition

They get no energy from me anyway, fwiw.

Time for FreeBSD

me using linux and windows in vmware to run software that not available in linux like proteus

You reminded me of my urge to install dualboot linux. Hmm. I think I had and old hard drive somewhere here.

What PDF viewer is that?

that hurts

Thank you, Derek.

so is the linux certification that they give worth taken ?????

Does this mean I have to hop over to FreeBSD?

Amazing videos like always man, Thanks to you i was able to completely ditch DE and switch to a Window Manager. Sorry to write about it here, i am using Qtile WM and using your config, i run vanilla Arch but i believe there are some dependencies missing there too like fonts or something, on Arco Linux the "Arrow" widget separators are fine but on vanilla arch, they appear like a box of zero(s). Would like to see a what kind of other packages you use, File Manager, Music Player, Video Player, Image Viewer, etc. Thanks in advance !

Do you mean libre software when you say open source movement

I mean honestly I can sort of understand if they need to run some weird obscure software but this is just a fancy report there's literally tons of templates for various FOSS Office Suites out there they can use. Oh well at least it's a POSIX compliant OS if anything else that they're using. Though I still don't know what's stopping them from using say Debian. They just need laptops for simple web/office tasks literally any ol x86 or even ARM laptops running Debian and Libre/Open Office is more than sufficient.

I have just sent them an email and I wish that other Linux users do the same.

WRT to the report, that could have been out-sourced to a graphic design agency which very likely would have almost all of it's design team running Macs with Adobe products.

I could be wrong about this as I never really dived into the politics or structure of these kinds of organizations before... being a "relative" noob and all... but I am fairly confident that the FreeBSD Project and the FreeBSD Foundation don't have these kinds of issues. Maybe that's due to a smaller community, I don't know. I've only "dabbled" in Linux here and there... but I started that dabbling during the transition from kernel 2.2 to 2.4. Before this year, I tried a version of BSD (I think it was NetBSD abound the time it became a thing) all of ONCE, for about 30 minutes. That was almost 20 years ago. Now with all the changes in tech and software and everything, and my growing awareness of alternatives to the software that has kept me tethered to Windows, I am looking to actually dive right in and finally make the switch. Not on this machine of course as it's dying a slow and painful death of electrical faults, but my next machine if I can ever afford a new machine lol. So I dove in with VMs for the time being and decided to do research on whatever sparked my interest relating to Linux. I was surprised to find it even more diverse (perhaps fractured) than it ever had been. It was honestly rather overwhelming a bit confusing and even a bit intimidating. But in my searching for info thru youtube videos, something started to creep into the search results... FreeBSD. Predictably, the first videos to slip into the results were about things like how FreeBSD is "not a Linux distro" and the like. I can see where there is confusion enough to warrant those types of videos though. They do, after all, share a common ancestor in UNIX. I collectively call them all *nix, but that's just a personal quirk of mine. I feel like in the 90s a race was started... with Linux as the hare and FreeBSD as the tortoise. I won't deny that FreeBSD has apparently learned a lot from watching the Linux community though. From what I can tell of FreeBSD, if you can think of a software you like in Linux... "it's also available for FreeBSD." Also, apparently, if you somehow find something not available, or the version is too old for your liking, there is a Linux compatibility layer (I jokingly call it "LINE") that can supposedly run Linux software at very near-native performance, and in some cases, even better. That part I don't have any experience with because I haven't had need to use it or learn it yet. Sorry, I honestly didn't mean to ramble. My point for all of that tho is rather simple. The more I learned about the numerous available alternatives out there that will let me finally make the jump away from Windows, the more appealing FreeBSD looks. Everything about it just looks cleaner, saner, and feels more inviting to me. Maybe it's more "Stable" and not bleeding edge... maybe that makes it a bit boring to some people... but lately, with all the issues I've been having with my computer and Windows... a bit of boring sounds nice and relaxing. I feel like I could just install it, get it customized how I like it, and just... let it be. It will just work for me rather than me working for it. What are your thoughts?

Here we go again, me losing faith in humanity and technology.

Interview someone from there and shame them on air

Hahhahaha, they probably even don't know DT, with his 78K subscribers. Agree completely with you, Bryan Lunduke is also on the same page. Keep on rockin', DT!

I think is all about patents what they care. I noticed that when I went to Linuxconf 5 years ago and saw Macs everywhere in their stands.

Wait a sec; Macintosh O/S is derived from the UNIX kernel albeit different. And, if they're on Mac O/S, using Adobe probably makes sense. But, it would be nice to see them use a pure LINUX flavour and some open source rendering software for their reports.

good to see you back

Apple created the CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) is an open printing source system used by many Linux distros.

let's all email them

wasn't this known? the linux foundation members are people from familiar companies. those people naturally don't use linux note the companies behind adobe, autocad and quickbooks are members of the linux foundation.

Yes, I have been hearing about how they use Macs over there for years now. Wasn't exactly surprised. It would be funny if people caught Linus using Mac (or even better, WINDOWS), but I don't think that will ever happen.

hi @Normie. Your comment that "Linux is free if your time is worthless", is the best thing i read here!!! I am doing a personal project (hoping to make some companies interested in what i'm trying to do) at the moment: how to be productive with ubuntu as your only operating system, covering all aspects, backup and secure your work, your OS, migrate and make portable to other machines, with tools like rsync scripts, live persistence and a portable bootloader, so you don't care about grub, network with remote desktop, over ssh with X tunneling, so you don't care about screen resolution difference between different machines, how to improve font rendering in all applications and the list goes on and on, in order to be able to be productive with ubuntu, while doing most of your os managment from the terminal. It has taken me 9 months so far, and i'm not done yet!! So yeah, linux is not free. You have to spent (invest) a lot of time to learn stuff. Investments are risky, you're never sure if they'll pay off (if these will prove to be skills i can sell to somebody), but the driving force that is moving me along this road, is the wish to be able to stand above the crowd, doing things most people don't understand, never heard of! Btw, just before i started my project, i took an LF course "introduction to linux" for 100 euros. It's something that looks good in my cv, and i don't feel that it was overpriced.

Are there just kids in this comment section? God what happened to the clearweb?

I noticed those people don't know and understand much about information technology, they know a lot from management in particular the information business, they just go for the money. I talked to a friendly young and obvious well paid woman from the Linux Foundation and she did not even understand what Unix was and had to do with the Linux architecture. She also had a MacBook Air, I did not see her phone.

I love the idea of linux but for some work fields its simply suboptimal (if not verging on self sabotage) to use it instead of MacOS or windows. Design being one of them. You may be able to get by using open source alternatives if you work for yourself (and don't mind using inferior products to get your work done) but you're not getting a job in the digital creative industry without using adobe. So yeah, sometimes you gotta just make compromises and use the right tools for the job. Once adobe and some other big names make their software work natively on Linux though, I'm all in.

Maybe they do all the development in Linux, but do the last bit of work (like the last 0.1% of work) that has to do with presentations and reporting on the Mac? I mean Linux is king for development and productivity but Mac is still king for presentation type work.

I totally agree.

I love Linux and use it daily, but the Adobe and Microsoft Office products aren't garbage. For some things, they're almost necessary. I think it's a problem more with the state of the Linux desktop and software company support for it rather than the Linux Foundation itself.

I love The Linux Foundation 👍 I am learning a lot from their courses (e-learning), they are the best, I don't care what this angry old man says.

Many of the developers of FreeBSD were also spotted on conferences using macOS. Meanwhile talking about how more advanced and stable their system is compared to Linux or whatever.

Blender Foundation for example use almost only free open source software

So I'm more entitled to be part of linux foundation though - Artix Linux

On the other side you can run gnu/linux on a macbook and make mr stallman furious. Well mine runs Debian as all my other pc's

This is sad. And funny. In the end it can only lead to them being out of touch with the end product.

I love you, DT.....That's the problem, i.e. Linux (from its Kernel up on) is free, so even the corps think they're free to use it without taking ethics into consideration.....it's really hurting...

Just an observation but.. the creation of those documents - designwise - could've been outsourced right? I mean that's not so uncommon. Just for the record, I don't know the linux foundation, I am not defending them.

As legend said. Linux is good if you don't value your work and time.

the mac OS actually does use the Linux kernal i thought.

preparing to move to BSD our last fortress

MacsOS is Unix though. It’s based on BSD. Many Google and Facebook engineers use Macs btw.

The fraking AUDACITY!

why do people even use MacBooks and iPhones? I never understood.

I've been waiting for this for a while now... It is about time to piss on that fraud.

this long thread of enraged linux users entertains me

Why would the Linux Foundation use desktop Linux to make their reports? They need their OS to not crash or bug out or cause visual glitches when typing a bullet point.

Now I understand why The Linux Foundation includes DRMs. Richard Stallman was right all along! That's why they never upgrade the copyleft license the GNU GPL v3.

Microsoft and Google probably care more about Azure and Kubernetes cloud platforms more than Linux on Windows and ChromeOS. I would assume that’s why they invest so much in Linux. Btw DT, Google makes its employees use Macbooks instead of Chromebooks. They don’t care about Linux past profit at all.

The Linux foundation is all about servers, kubernetes and the kernel. If you start talking about Linux on the desktop to any of these executives they will laugh in your face.

Sooo... it didn´t came to anybody's mind that they might have outsourced the design of their report?

really the question should be what _does_ the linux foundation actually do and who's using property software? afaik tis representives from the various "member" companies that use mac as well that's what they use at their job at their company. those actually developing the kernel use just that. didn't titus have a video on this? edit: found it; ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hn5kZGaBbn2alqs.html