the luxury of privacy & the celebrity vs. influencer paradox

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www.vogue.com/article/ashley-...
variety.com/2020/film/news/gr...
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0:00 - intro
2:52 - the row's phone ban
8:43 - influencers at fashion week
13:25 - privacy is a luxury
23:08 - the solitary artist
33:04 - conclusion

КОМЕНТАРІ: 1 000
@annabowden3087
@annabowden3087 Місяць тому
I feel like The Rows no phone policy was a missed opportunity to have a fashion sketch artist and bring back fashion illustration into the main stream in a profound way
@tygressblade
@tygressblade Місяць тому
Agreed
@apinchofdisappointment
@apinchofdisappointment Місяць тому
1000%
@SoviCalc
@SoviCalc Місяць тому
Garance Dore tried to bring back the David Downton style about a decade ago. Absolutely deserves a revival.
@danusdragonfly6640
@danusdragonfly6640 Місяць тому
Just yesterday I was looking at old Bob Mackie sketches/illustrations! I feel like it's sort of becoming a lost art.
@Hoppy_is_a_bunny
@Hoppy_is_a_bunny Місяць тому
Agree
@meganrogers3571
@meganrogers3571 Місяць тому
The Olsen twins is an interesting example of celeb privacy because they were really famous really young. I can completely understand overcorrecting to being really private after a childhood in the spotlight.
@sp.2778
@sp.2778 Місяць тому
yeah i remember when there were “countdown” websites to their 18th birthdays. i wouldn’t even live in the states after experiencing some shit like that tbh
@C-uz8md
@C-uz8md Місяць тому
They were also famous at the height of tabloid culture. It’s very interesting how they operate now vs someone like Paris Hilton.
@promisemochi
@promisemochi Місяць тому
@@sp.2778 they also had their mental health splashed across the pages. i remember when mary kate went into rehab and it was like turned into a laughing matter and the media was acting as if it was a character flaw in her. they're a bit older than me but i remember my heart just breaking for them as i watched how their teenage years were treated by everyone. they were treated to some of the most vile things before they were even eighteen. it's no wonder they've kind of both clung to one another and have kind of hermited themselves away from the public. their whole lives were for consumption from the time they were babies. i'm glad honestly that they've been able to maintain their privacy so well. it's something i have a lot of respect for them.
@dillpickle-no9hl
@dillpickle-no9hl Місяць тому
I agree. It honestly makes me so happy to see that they're comfortable setting boundaries like that as adults after growing up in the public eye
@ccruzrojo8856
@ccruzrojo8856 Місяць тому
Idk if I'd use the term over correcting. Good for them honestly
@SmokeyRose
@SmokeyRose Місяць тому
This is just a reminder that you can move and shift your boundaries whenever you need to. Even you, person who isnt famous. Don't let anyone dictate what you can be comfortable with
@aphrodisiakon
@aphrodisiakon Місяць тому
🤍🙏🏻
@Alltherestofus
@Alltherestofus Місяць тому
Oh period. I love this
@lamparium7620
@lamparium7620 Місяць тому
Yes. You said it perfectly 🙏
@raeraemillstone
@raeraemillstone 29 днів тому
Yesss
@jaimeenadhia
@jaimeenadhia 27 днів тому
I love this. Thank you.
@AlexielRaziel
@AlexielRaziel Місяць тому
I have been a working model for about 15 years in a runway model for about eight. I can tell you that many of the professional models were/are getting less work because more designers are giving them to influencers because they want that social media clout. Not only do many influencers often not have a proper catwalk, but they are often very late, sometimes rude and don't have the basic good etiquette of understanding that your job is to model clothes and not necessarily to look pretty. .. which may mean that you may get a hairstyle or a makeup or clothes that you think may not be flattering to you. But the most frustrating part about it is that behavior would never fly for a professional model. A producer or designer would tell you to leave and you'd never be booked again. But the designers would let these influencers act like this because they didn't want the influencers to publicly talk about someone reprimanding them on social media... But still talk badly about the influencers behavior when they weren't around.. but NEVER to the influencers face. I personally watch this one influencer (who I will not name) rummage through the clothes for the show, and put on outfit. When the designer asked why she was wearing that outfit that was meant for somebody else. She told him she picked it because it was the color better suited her. .... It was a tussel because the outfits are picked out and fitted for each model in advance... I watched another influencer, redo her makeup in a style she thought made her look more pretty instead of going with the established design the MUAs were given for the theme. As a working model it is very difficult to see this, because there is a lot of training that goes into walking properly at the runway and it does get very frustrating to be turned down for work because you are blatantly told that you're 3,000 followers makes you less valuable than the person with no runway skills that has hundreds of thousands.
@imzabatch
@imzabatch Місяць тому
That's crazy. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective on this.
@yc3099
@yc3099 Місяць тому
That must be so hard and frustrating to go through. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
@littledaisy194
@littledaisy194 29 днів тому
I think the company or designer is to blame here yes influencers can act entitled but it's the designer who has the upper hand yes I get it they want publicity but they should ratio their models in like 1:4 influencer to models if that makes any sense but it's j my opinion I'm in no way involved in the fashion industry I'm j a fashion consumer 🧚‍♀️✨
@IshtarNike
@IshtarNike 29 днів тому
​@@littledaisy194yeah this is the real problem. I understand that it must be frustrating for professional models, but we shouldn't normalise a shitty system like that. Honestly it sounds like models should unionise. Designers shouldn't be able to end your career because you had one bad day.
@cocolove9916
@cocolove9916 29 днів тому
I’m so tired of the influencers they are cringe and just get things handed to them because of their following lol
@Clara_linking
@Clara_linking Місяць тому
These tik tokers making fun of those celebrities for no reason but acting like a fans infront of them.
@AirborneAshes
@AirborneAshes Місяць тому
people will act like a fan towards anyone these days
@weem97
@weem97 Місяць тому
Haylee Baylee lol
@muscular-lr6er
@muscular-lr6er 29 днів тому
I thought it was the other way
@blentoasdad
@blentoasdad 27 днів тому
@@weem97 like i found the ariana grande joke very funny but it gave me such an ick when hailey acted like that.. like girl
@macmoon4914
@macmoon4914 18 днів тому
Hypocrisy at its finest
@LoraK31
@LoraK31 Місяць тому
I think some celebrities follow 0 people because so many stans track who their faves are following and freak out if they suddenly follow or unfollow someone. It might be a way of keeping their connections close to their chest
@Lotuaoki
@Lotuaoki 26 днів тому
Yeah this is exactly why because a lot of stans just love to start drama
@soul8118
@soul8118 26 днів тому
Right, especially kpop stans. Extremely popular groups like BTS can’t even follow a woman or post a photo with them without people acting like they committed a crime
@ariannawoodman3251
@ariannawoodman3251 Місяць тому
People are so used to everything being shown on the internet. Forgetting they are not entitled to see everything going on so once there is the privacy boundary people start to freak.
@noelletakesthesky3977
@noelletakesthesky3977 Місяць тому
Agreed. I’m sitting here shaking my head at the idea of the internet being an equalizer, as if all gatekeeping is always bad. If an event isn’t public, then it’s not, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The host has every right to decide, no different than a guest list for a wedding or a birthday. The world doesn’t have to be treated equally when it comes to private events. I think people who think that phones should always be allowed should stop and think about how not allowing phones or photos is a privacy issue, and that being rich doesn’t mean that every bit if privacy you ever had is gone. These people need to ask themselves why they think they’re entitled to go to the private events of strangers they have no connection to. Would Mina be okay with her private events being shared with the world because someone else decided they had the right to watch her private places? It’s all right to have envy at not getting to go to an event. It’s not all right to demand that you have a right to access, and if you can’t go, the you’re going to see it all anyway. Talk about not respecting boundaries.
@strawberrylime33
@strawberrylime33 29 днів тому
THIS!!!!!!
@Lotuaoki
@Lotuaoki 26 днів тому
Frl!! And the thing with gatekeeping. Like people seriously need to get over themselves and find some originality. Like if people don't wanna share where they got their shit, just move on omg
@chrissyduncanson7461
@chrissyduncanson7461 25 днів тому
True
@cyberspace7208
@cyberspace7208 10 днів тому
And it simply boils down to this! No one is entitled
@avasava7720
@avasava7720 Місяць тому
I love that gatekeeping and being cringe are the worst offenses one can commit
@doodlebug1820
@doodlebug1820 Місяць тому
Hitler, gatekeeping life and cringe haircut
@TheGreatestYoutube
@TheGreatestYoutube 29 днів тому
Right
@eliza6971
@eliza6971 29 днів тому
Fr
@V_4_Versace
@V_4_Versace 29 днів тому
Well considering the larger social implications and ramifications they can both have, and that were discussed in this video, I can absolutely understand the first at least
@avasava7720
@avasava7720 28 днів тому
@@V_4_Versace You’re AI generated
@avastans
@avastans Місяць тому
Imagine thinking Austin Butler is pretentious for liking a popular, critically claimed cowboy western movie as a child. It's like people forget that the guy grew up in the film industry and regularly watched a plethora of movies with his family. Mind you, when they say "as a child," maybe he was talking about his favourite movie as a 12 year old, and a lot of 12 year olds would not say Toy Story. Like you mentioned in this video, I think it has to do a lot with resentment and envy. People think, "How dare this man think he's superior to me because he engages with art that I find challenging/different instead of consuming easily accessible art?!" when in reality, Austin is not assuming anything and is probably just saying his favourite movie. Nothing wrong with more easily accessible art, but if someone doesn't prefer it, they'll immediately get labelled as "pretentious" and "elitist". My nephew is 15 years old and his favourite movie is a Tarkovsky movie - is he "pretentious" or just an avid cinephile that likes to explore diverse genres? The rise in anti-intellectualism, assumptions, envy, etc, is saddening.
@Mary-td2zw
@Mary-td2zw Місяць тому
Agreed! If he was like “Fitzcarraldo”, I would get the eye rolling but one of the most famous westerns of all time that has both artistic merit but also cowboys and soldiers and everything else little boys like? Culture is becoming such a universal sludge that everything outside of the most mainstream is now pretentious and if you aren’t buying merch for popular female pop star between buying tickets for popular animation studio turned media monopoly while buying popular fanfic turned book then you are a poser and a liar because how could you want to consume anything else? Nobody else wants to be challenged by media, so why should you? It’s a nightmare.
@mggardiner4066
@mggardiner4066 29 днів тому
Also people forget that it’s not unheard of for people to have different childhood experiences. I think he said his dad would watch TCM with him all the time. I can relate having grown up with our family having limited cash so relying on PBS, the local library,a few treasured kids films, and my grandparents classic film collection on VHS, so favorites as a very kid were a mixed between classic Disney and dreamworks, and stuff like 1930’s Robin Hood, the Scarlet Pimpernel, or off brand kids movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Plus watching a lot of satellite tv with grandparents later led to naturally a lot of classic television and TCM. Kids will get obsessed with the weirdest stuff, I bet it’s pretty common in both film families or in multigenerational households for them to fixate on media that might not be “typical” but has wide appeal
@Sageisme
@Sageisme 28 днів тому
THANK YOU I WAS WAITING FOR THIS COMMENT
@JaiFlame
@JaiFlame 28 днів тому
also as I do a bit of voice work and have my go to voices, u can just slip into the voices sometimes bc u trained to easily start talking like that, I can imagine talking like that 24/7 for months would stick around for a bit
@weaponnotspray
@weaponnotspray 4 години тому
That depends; is his favorite Stalker or Andrei Rublev? Jokes aside, I think that your observation highlights the sad hypocrisy of the situation. There is apparently demand for access and authentic interaction, but then tremendous backlash when the reality doesn't match up with the preconceived image. One is damned if one does and damned if one does not. And, for the record, it's a toss up between Mirror and The Sacrifice for me.
@lz738
@lz738 Місяць тому
I like how that lamp behind your head makes it look like you are wearing a cute little red fez hat! I'm having a sad day. That cheered me up (momentarily, at least).
@bandanarathore
@bandanarathore Місяць тому
The small red hat reminded me of the curse Jogo from jujutsu kaisen 😂
@LucyAliceMoss
@LucyAliceMoss Місяць тому
Me toooo
@haute03
@haute03 Місяць тому
This made me smile. So cute haha.
@ethiopiazoldyk4667
@ethiopiazoldyk4667 29 днів тому
​@@bandanarathore😂😂❤
@vacafuega
@vacafuega 15 днів тому
Aw that's so cute, i love moments like that
@frankiebelle
@frankiebelle Місяць тому
Attending a Waldorf school from kindergarten through senior year of high school was truly wild. Because of the almost total ban on screens, I feel like I missed out on a lot of the pre 2012 internet. When I was finally allowed online, I spent almost all of my time glued to my computer. A little screen time is good, but a total ban can lead to becoming easily addicted when restrictions get lifted
@duchessedeberne3909
@duchessedeberne3909 Місяць тому
Same about getting very little pocket money: once you get your first paycheck, you blow it all
@ZZ-qy5mv
@ZZ-qy5mv Місяць тому
Good to know. I looked into a Waldorf school, because I wanted my kid to go to a school that bans screens. But they want parents to severely limit them at home as well! That's too much. I was able to improve my life quality dramatically through a successful career because of what I did and learned on a computer on my own as a child. No way I'm banning screens at home.
@chryselene
@chryselene 29 днів тому
Nah, you just binged because you didn't practice self-control because you didn't want to. You need to take accountability and stop blaming others for your poor choices.
@user-gu9yq5sj7c
@user-gu9yq5sj7c 28 днів тому
@@chryselene It is true that it's not good to raise children so strict or be so strict on people because it can cause rebellion. I think being so strict on kids and people in itself is harmful too.
@noewantstosleep
@noewantstosleep 28 днів тому
My waldorf schools "highly encouraged" limited to no screen time and I am very grateful for it. I still watched tv with my family, had a smart phone by freshman year of high school, and watched youtube on our home computer. My dad introduced me to video games, too. I will say that it wasn't a total ban (although how does that work unless your parents are in support of it too?), so I'm grateful for that aspect too. but what the restriction of screens granted me was an awareness and control over technology and the role of social media/advertisement in my life. I can recognize when something I see online is motivated by profit, and how I can stop tuning in when it has no worth to me.
@4eyesinthecorner399
@4eyesinthecorner399 Місяць тому
I think the celebrity vs influencer thing also has something to do with how people perceive celebrities as talented, hard-working individuals who earned their fame and status and so therefore earn their place in these fashion shows, etc. compared to influencers whom people perceive as getting famous quickly over some lucky viral moment and therefore are not deserving of everything that comes with that fame.
@digitalsnowangel
@digitalsnowangel Місяць тому
I agree, though I don’t believe all celebrities are necessarily talented or hard-working individuals, or at least nowadays. They just buy their way into everything because they can afford it. Edit: I reread your comment and saw you said that people/the public perceive celebrities as such and that they aren’t always/actually talented and hard-working.
@sp.2778
@sp.2778 Місяць тому
but it has to an extent peeled the illusion of “earned fame” back because influencing has led to a lot of people realizing how many celebrities are actually nepo babies and got their start in the industry by having a family member or friend that knew someone to get an opportunity. even if a celeb is technically talented, there’s some sort of nepotism at play always and now that’s common knowledge.
@EyeGlassTrainofMind
@EyeGlassTrainofMind Місяць тому
Or that influencers are really there as second-class hype machines which is exactly the case. People aren't into the fashion but they might be invited to attend these shows because they have it in their contract that they'll share about it online.
@5starrr.mariii__
@5starrr.mariii__ Місяць тому
@@digitalsnowangel how could a celebrity buy their way to fame if they're not talented,I don't get it. can you elaborate
@noelletakesthesky3977
@noelletakesthesky3977 Місяць тому
When it comes to influencers, usually it is due to an accidental viral moment, but also a lot of the derision is due to the belief influencers have that they are inherently more knowledgable, even if they aren’t, even when they’re spreading misinformation to a legion of fans who, to be the best fan, believes every word. Celebs usually don’t claim to be any degree of expert on things they don’t know much about. Influencers also try to see the public a curated image that is supposed to be their “real” lives, while celebs don’t pretend that what we see them doing is their real public lives. I’ve seen more medical information come from influencers who conveniently forget that they aren’t doctors, whose fans turn around and echo them without understanding jack (my daughter ended up a pariah for a while over this shit), than I’ve seen from doctors who aren’t trying to be entertainers. Influencers use their mistaken belief that their follower count legitimizes their views and their “this is the real me” presentation to get others to listen to them. We don’t believe celebs the same way. Kim Kardashian, who everyone sees as fake as most celebs are since we expect acting from them, genuinely is working on becoming a licensed lawyer, won’t be seen as as much of authority on law as Mina, who people expect to be showing her real self when she talks like she’s the authority on stuff, would be seen an authority on medicine. Celebrity versus influencer makes the difference. We have no bar for the influencers we see as being authentic, but impossibly high bars for celebrities. When a lot of the fame influencers have is ultimately due to how they use their platforms to make themselves out to be authorities, yeah, people are going to see them as not deserving it.
@adamalidelacruz
@adamalidelacruz Місяць тому
Your last point on Emma Chamberlain reminds me of what happened with Ashley from bestdressed. She stopped posting on YT for her own reasons and many of her fans were upset she never explained why.
@jennifertan
@jennifertan Місяць тому
i believe they are friends 😬
@daria_coza
@daria_coza Місяць тому
I recently thought about Ashley after seeing a ig post of hers and I felt like seeing an old friend that stopped texting back. I know it’s not the same thing and I’m the one to blame for creating a fictional connection with someone I don’t personally know. But at the same time, after watching her for a long time, I can’t help but wish for an explanation…like, even just to know she’s fine
@lisettegarcia
@lisettegarcia Місяць тому
​​​@@daria_cozano, the blame is shared. Content creators work very hard to cultivate a loyal following both for own creative fulfillment as well as to improve their personal brand's commercial value. So, if you show up with your attentive eyeballs video after video, it is kind of rude/thoughtless for those creators to just ghost their viewers. By the same token, content creators are after all as human as the rest of us so sometimes the problems that drive them off a platform are to deep for public consumption, eg family illness, addiction recovery, etc.😢
@EyeGlassTrainofMind
@EyeGlassTrainofMind Місяць тому
Well, Ashley was stalked and that being her last video makes clear sense that she stopped really sharing in the way she did.
@daria_coza
@daria_coza Місяць тому
@@EyeGlassTrainofMind I remember that, that’s why I wish I could know she’s well. At least she didn’t disappear from the whole internet and that’s reassuring 🫶🏻
@jasondermack7485
@jasondermack7485 Місяць тому
As someone who’s given up on all forms of social media since January 2023 (except for UKposts and Letterboxd) I’ve been able to value the privilege of my privacy without being glued to what other people are doing. It’s been a savior toward my own mental health. Great and well-researched video once again. I always look forward to your work
@aichdomingiuez3519
@aichdomingiuez3519 Місяць тому
Letterboxd social media!?!?
@teissi
@teissi Місяць тому
Omg same here! What's your lbxd name?
@kippie2414
@kippie2414 Місяць тому
how did you do that? i try but i always fail
@zipzapkpop
@zipzapkpop Місяць тому
@@kippie2414 For me, as someone who's done that, you just don't quit cold turkey. It's a long process. First, I realized that social media has always given rise to negative emotions in me, particularly reading through comments in FB and Twitter and seeing how awful people can be. It made my declining mental health worse. Starting 2018, I started to resist opening comments on those platforms and just focused on posts. Stayed in FB to keep in touch with the news, then just moved to Twitter completely. Then even there I started spending less time around 2020, and just watched UKposts videos, where I can choose and curate what I want to watch and where the comment section was much better. I also picked up reading again. UKposts videos, watching films/shows, story-driven offline video games, and reading---those are time consuming activities, and bc of that I don't have time for social media anymore. In fact, I never deleted any app, they're still on my phone, and I open them every few months when I see an interesting notification. However, I would feel the negative emotions again when I start to go down some rabbit hole, so I would know when to stop. Nowadays, my only actual proof of life for friends is IG stories, where I sometimes post but never check my feed. That also relates to my personal life; I stopped caring about what people are up to unless they are very important to me. I also never downloaded TikTok when it became popular, and it's easy to resist sth you never knew. However, there is one negative effect, and that is not knowing what's going on, esp world news lol I'm always late. But there are other avenues for that, and now I can actually take time to think for myself and form my own opinions w/o getting bombarded by other people's thoughts and feelings. TL;DR take your time, pick up hobbies/focus on sth else, get rid of fomo
@judithvictoria3109
@judithvictoria3109 Місяць тому
I’m not sure if it’s because I’m an elder millennial but i just use UKposts and FB, but in FB my profile it’s private and the people i have as friends in that social media are real people i know in person.
@susiehawkes7299
@susiehawkes7299 Місяць тому
When Mina was talking about tech discrepancy in schools, I think that is unfortunately SO TRUE. I worked in an urban school as a teacher and had to put the kids on city/state computer programs daily to “provide instruction” and was encouraged to use the smart-board and computers every opportunity I could. The kids then went home and went on their personal devices, especially kids who were not in afterschool activities and whose families were working. I seriously got concerned by how much screen addiction there is
@partiellementecreme
@partiellementecreme 29 днів тому
I’ll never understand why people think a more computery classroom is a better classroom.
@magaaliii
@magaaliii 27 днів тому
I think the push towards tech in schools made sense in the 90s to early 2000s, maybe even until the early 2010’s, as tech was often inaccessible to poorer kids. It’s crazy to see how fast it’s become the opposite.
@SBaldwin
@SBaldwin 27 днів тому
My neighbor took their child out of the public school in my town (lower SES school) and put them in a private, Waldorf school because the public schools “depended on screens too much”. Illuminates this point so much about privilege and technology in schools. Who would have thought we’d be here.
@marie1701
@marie1701 Місяць тому
I don’t know much about fashion shows but personally I don’t see why banning phones or taking photos/videos should be a problem. It’s just like how taking pictures/videos is forbidden at theater and ballet performances or classic orchestra concerts.
@isoldevithmiris
@isoldevithmiris Місяць тому
Because the fashion industry depended a lot on tech and social media ever since the internet became accessible. I understand the woes of fashion influencers since their coverage of the shows are their bread and butter but I also do respect the insistence of The Row for preserving their brand image. The Row surely expected this backlash but it's the kind of backlash they're actually expecting to put their brand in the latest gossip chain. It's a clever move and also serves as a reminder for fashion influencers that the brand is still the boss, not them.
@jeanettemullins
@jeanettemullins 29 днів тому
Ultimately it's because of the turnover expected of the content. The press don't review a show when it is open, they have press nights. Films have press screenings and days of interviews. Journalists have time to create content. Fashion shows are so quick and not repeatable and the content so often needs to be produced immediately. Using phones to make notes or take photos for reference is obviously going to be helpful to someone looking back at a huge number of clothing items they have to write or make videos about.
@Butterflieslove2
@Butterflieslove2 28 днів тому
Yes
@Aesthety
@Aesthety 28 днів тому
I feel like despite fashion show visually aiming to look somewhat like a performance of an art form, in essence what it actually is is a trade show, so the dynamics of the promotion and information exchange is completely different here, than what would've been in a theatre spectacle or an orchestra concert.
@loveandlight6436
@loveandlight6436 26 днів тому
Ppl are entitled now. And crazy. I've literally been ostracized bc I refused social media for nearly 2 decades. Even during my divorce when your attorney says to close your accounts to win. Still ostracized. Social media is for ppl to make no effort to be real friends imo.
@cat_clifford
@cat_clifford Місяць тому
So many thoughts… as a mid 20’s artist living in New York who grew up during the rise of social media and has experienced the exponential rise of self marketing via that platform- thoughts of privacy and needing to use my phone constantly come up a lot for me. Lately I’ve been realizing that using social media has not only become an intense time waster and dopamine vampire, but also has dulled my inner voice to the point I ask myself “am I making this because I like this or do I like it because I saw it on instagram?”. I think artists- and everyone- have suffered a huge impact in our ability to create from an authentic place because I don’t think the human mind actually can process how many lives and ideas and products and art that we’re exposed to all day and night. It is very important to be able to recognize when you need outside influence, and when you don’t. And those times In life change and constantly have their own effects- but as a society we have lost that right to choose when. Yeahhhhh it’s really sad too cause I WANT TO THROW MY PHONE IN THE RIVER BUT I NEED IT TO MARKET MYSELF AND COMMUNICATE IN ORDER TO PAY MY RENT. Ahhhh
@vickyswift3741
@vickyswift3741 Місяць тому
Hey, me too! I'm 20 and currently I'm studying graphic design at central saint martins if you know the uni. If there wasn't a need to market my work and keep up with my peers' work, I would literally delete the app. But unfortunately it's going to be my livelihood so i HAVE to 'keep up' quite literally.
@HelenHelena-yj9dr
@HelenHelena-yj9dr Місяць тому
This! 😢
@minminnnn
@minminnnn 27 днів тому
​@@vickyswift3741hi from lcc! i relate to you both, im not looking forward to it but eventually im going to have to start
@Cshaw_13
@Cshaw_13 19 днів тому
Preach
@loradailey5746
@loradailey5746 11 днів тому
Girl I feel this so hard. I would love to be able to give up social media but I can't because I am in a creative career and need it for networking and self-marketing 🙃
@johendrick1152
@johendrick1152 Місяць тому
I think it's hilarious that the row banned cellphones and its a stroke of marketing genius. Their brand is classic, subdued, and exclusive. That is the best marketing strategy for their quiet luxury brand. Also they get enough buzz on social media given the fact that literally every celebrity wears them in their Vogue 7 days 7 outfits videos. The Olsen twins know what they are doing and considering they came from child stardom... I'm here for it. This won't kill the access influencers and social media have to other brands.
@thehouseofmillie
@thehouseofmillie 29 днів тому
They pay for that buzz.
@untitledpisces
@untitledpisces Місяць тому
western celebs may not bring in the numbers but in the kpop scene, a lot of kpop idols who are endorsed by high end fashion brands trend on twt when they attend events !!
@sarah-re8tr
@sarah-re8tr Місяць тому
why is it like this tho
@xfreja
@xfreja Місяць тому
kpop idols attending fashion shows and attracting the most publicity is exactly what i kept thinking about. they always look so stunning too
@d.s.19
@d.s.19 Місяць тому
fans make it their mission to like every post and trend tags. It is the newest form of competition between fandoms. Everyone wants their fave to be the most talked about.
@terranceorwhatever60
@terranceorwhatever60 Місяць тому
@@sarah-re8trkoreaboos or the less extreme: they like to ride all up on people they have zero chance of meeting even in a place like hollywood
@RainTheStrawberry
@RainTheStrawberry Місяць тому
probs because they bring in a lot of money from their devoted fans (no hate to the idols ofc), i'm in a group chat and there's this one person who will encourage us (pretty intensely) to buy products, trend tags and like posts ALL THE TIME. and whenever i see my faves walking in the runway (go felix!) or modelling i like the post, buy the magazine, whatever, because if it's them i'm probably going to invest. the brands know what they are doing.
@LoveAnnKathleen
@LoveAnnKathleen Місяць тому
People love consuming content but they love mocking the people who make the content even more… I don’t understand why people hate on influencers
@nectarinn3
@nectarinn3 Місяць тому
all public figures are going to be hated on to various extents. that's kind of the reality of putting yourself out there, people can and will judge you for anything and everything, valid or not.
@silviabarbaro319
@silviabarbaro319 Місяць тому
@@nectarinn3wazz🤩🖥️🕰️📞📽️😊🗜️🗜️ 20:24
@ariesaraya1822
@ariesaraya1822 Місяць тому
It's because they desperately want to feel like they are better than someone else. It's the mentality of "I may be doing this but at least I'm not...."
@arca2001
@arca2001 Місяць тому
I don’t think it’s right to make blanket statements about “influencers” like some people do in a derogatory way but there are legitimate critiques to be made about certain influencers (i.e. Shane Dawson, Ruby Franke come to mind) and “influencer culture” which encourages things like overconsumption, toxic beauty standards, and child exploitation
@kenma5176
@kenma5176 Місяць тому
I mean a lot of them just randomly touch kids? I think that’s part of it
@alisonjane7068
@alisonjane7068 Місяць тому
i don't know anything about austin butler, but, as someone who mimics accents / speech patterns without even realizing i'm doing it, i kid of want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
@Fruttipistachio
@Fruttipistachio 29 днів тому
Yes, he trained his muscels to speak one way for a long time. It doesn't just get undone when the director yells cut.
@prima-madalina
@prima-madalina 28 днів тому
@@Fruttipistachio he’s not the only actor to have to intensely study/learn an accents… there are serious method actors who don’t have the same issue. he’s delusional 😂
@mvv0
@mvv0 15 днів тому
​@@prima-madalina He literally doesn't speak like that anymore.
@toni_odufuye
@toni_odufuye Місяць тому
I really liked that quote about artists "needing" to skillfully package themselves as products for buyers to consume now. I've become quite disillusioned with so many parts of social media feeling like Ads- constantly trying to make me do or want or be something different... to create a feeling of lack that was never there in the first place.
@monsteratreehouse
@monsteratreehouse Місяць тому
I quit instagram and snapchat in 2019 after a couple of years of seeing unwanted ads. There used to be a time where there were no ads on insta or snap and it was soooooo fun. But then they got bought out and slowly the ads popped up on insta and one day you went on snapchat and they had changed the layout to include (and force you to watch) ads. Man social media was fun before that
@honeyjam9593
@honeyjam9593 15 днів тому
Omg what you said made me realize a lot of things
@EmmaAlves
@EmmaAlves Місяць тому
singer/songwriter here 👋🏻 promoting yourself SUCKS. especially for artists. the last thing we wanna do is ‘promote’ or ‘sell’ anything. we wanna create. but, sadly in order for it to be sustainable- and have people take us seriously- we need to have some sort of platform/audience online. love the video mina as per usual !
@nicolezhiling
@nicolezhiling 29 днів тому
I definitely get this, and I often wonder which is better: artists having to do everything themselves but maintaining control over their art, or artists having the luxury of a team / label to manage the marketing but lose control over what they can or cannot create?
@EmmaAlves
@EmmaAlves 25 днів тому
@@nicolezhiling SO true
@changveronicas
@changveronicas Місяць тому
just noting that screens are infinite entertainment for a fixed price, so much less expensive than paying for camps or sports or classes for your kids where they can be entertained in a truly social face go face way. i do feel bad for parents who don’t have the time or means to keep their kids engaged in more meaningful ways
@WinterWind
@WinterWind Місяць тому
Do your local libraries not hold free events for kids? Ours have a constant rotation of activities which are totally free to attend
@psychedelicpegasus7587
@psychedelicpegasus7587 29 днів тому
​@@WinterWind I was going to comment this too. Libraries are a great free resource. Many libraries also have online resources like ebooks, audiobooks, and subscriptions to newspapers and magazines all for free.
@squidthing
@squidthing 29 днів тому
​@@WinterWindLibraries are being closed all over the USA from lack of funding and rightwing politicians are actively planning to get rid of them altogether. You are very luck to have one that is still functioning as it is meant to.
@honeyjam9593
@honeyjam9593 15 днів тому
@@psychedelicpegasus7587while its a good idea it isn’t the same.. you can only go so far without having the means sadly
@samaraisnt
@samaraisnt 13 днів тому
The ignorance to say “just use a well stocked, well funded library” Y’all. 💀 Just don’t live in a food desert. Just attend the best school in the country. What’s the problem I don’t get it???/
@checkeredblackwolf14
@checkeredblackwolf14 Місяць тому
i feel like because we are so used to instant gratification that mystery or change really needles us
@curseofcontext
@curseofcontext Місяць тому
what a delicious way to be needled though love the way you put that!!
@Lotuaoki
@Lotuaoki 26 днів тому
Omg the way you worded this!! Yes!!
@H0mework
@H0mework Місяць тому
I watch another UKpostsr who says we aren't there to experience first. We know it all secondhand. We read reviews before we get it, we hear about it before we try, we read a person's profile before we meet them. The curation of the image or profile is what matters today. You see it too but from the two angles influencer and quiet celebrity.
@wildoranges
@wildoranges Місяць тому
I think that’s so true! Ive been trying to stay away from peoples opinions more because i genuinely think over time it errodes our sense of self. Being exposed to so many people’s opinions before we’ve had a chance to form our own cannot be healthy imo
@FrederickGautier
@FrederickGautier Місяць тому
the luxurious feeling of a new mina le upload 💅🏻
@moistsquish
@moistsquish Місяць тому
my comfort yapper ❤
@sams3015
@sams3015 Місяць тому
Im just on last section now: it’s worth noting here in a Ireland there is a big thing about “not having notions” aka thinking highly of yourself & I think that’s why Cillian is the way he is as that has a choke hold on Irish society
@rosiemcguinness8057
@rosiemcguinness8057 Місяць тому
This makes so much sense to the point that some people would not dare to try new things in fear of having notions hahah
@itsanniewithanlnotanniewit747
@itsanniewithanlnotanniewit747 22 дні тому
@sams3015 right? Everyone not from Ireland is quick to deem him some moody pretentious artist when he's just Irish and knows that no matter how famous he gets outside Ireland, if his childhood school in Cork insists on plastering his picture on the front of the school with, "Good luck Cillian!" on it...all his friends are going to take the piss 3 seconds later. The group chat must have been brutal for days after. For anyone who doesn't know what we are like Google "trying to be fashionable in Ireland" tweets. We all love Barry Keoghan. I love his fashion risks...have I made fun of his fashion risks? Yes, because he looks like he's never been told.
@samaraisnt
@samaraisnt 13 днів тому
umm no one hates Cillian what’re you on about???
@ZZ-qy5mv
@ZZ-qy5mv Місяць тому
On the topic of famous people getting access without deserving it. I work in animation in a high role, and it's a tough pill to swallow that I can work on a movie for years. Produce hundreds of integral artworks for the film, and make only a tiny fraction of what a voice actor on the film makes for a few days of work. I still have to hustle and worry if I'll be able to afford a safe and healthy life for my kid. And when the film is announced, most anyone talks about is the main voice actor. All the power is the advertising.
@ggbellz
@ggbellz 29 днів тому
wow this is so real
@stephaniem1107
@stephaniem1107 28 днів тому
I am not famous or a model or in the fashion industry or even a content creator, but when I went on my social media hiatus and quit everything entirely, every time I admitted to being 'offline' to someone they would act shocked or 'wowed' by my decision. It's kinda wild that getting off social media is treated like this huge act as though I ran a marathon or started a charity. It really shows how everyone is so glued to their devices.
@kineticnotion
@kineticnotion Місяць тому
I’m glad you touched on the Rachel Zelegar/Snow White comments. It’s been bothering me that she received such a massive backlash for expressing her opinions on the source material, yet people praised Dakota Johnson for her not so subtle dislike of Madam Web, as well as Robert Patterson for his distain towards Twilight. I feel like people just latch onto whatever narrative is being pushed through ‘news’ outlets. They most likely just choose the reporting angle that will receive the most clicks and roll with it.
@lenn452
@lenn452 Місяць тому
Well ppl hate on her because Rachel's commentary looks feminist to them and they don't like that..
@yanavavrinyuk257
@yanavavrinyuk257 29 днів тому
It's honestly so bothersome the way people don't even know what feminism is and then proceed to give 'hot takes' with the idea that people will follow along. Like no sis, you did not eat. 😒
@SirThinks2Much
@SirThinks2Much 29 днів тому
Also I’m pretty sure the original Snow White isn’t that many people’s favorite animated Disney movie (especially someone from her age range). Snow White herself isn’t a super relatable character. So I don’t know why people think it’s weird that the actress isn’t falling all over herself at being that particular Disney princess.
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn 24 дні тому
Because some of very things she was criticizing about the animated movie was untrue. The prince did not stalk her, for one. And while snow white was awakened by the prince, it is not that accurate that she was saved by him, or ONLY by him, considering all the other substantial aid she got from the huntsman, dwarves, and forest animals who all did so due to snow white kindness/innocence so in a lot of ways snow white saved herself and get poetic justice. That being said, a lot of the problem is on Disney for they failed to work with her on what she should and should not say.
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn 24 дні тому
Also snow white's story does not focused on romance.
@Trippy_Space_Bunny
@Trippy_Space_Bunny Місяць тому
The thing that has stopped me from having an online shop to sell my art is everything besides making the art. I'm good at what I do. I am not good at social media. I am not good at advertising myself. I am not good at finances. I am not good at dealing with people. Heck I'm not even good at taking pictures. There a way too many skills I'd have to learn because I cannot afford help, and honestly, I don't think I'm capable of learning all those skills.
@EyeGlassTrainofMind
@EyeGlassTrainofMind Місяць тому
Not only that but the morw clicks you get, often the more likely your artwork is to be stolen which is so sad.
@holocoffin
@holocoffin Місяць тому
Relatable! Keep making your art!
@peanuts7324
@peanuts7324 Місяць тому
fr. like i just wanna create my art. not figure out how to advertise myself or something like that
@thehouseofmillie
@thehouseofmillie 29 днів тому
You don;t need to be good,You just need to do. Don't overthink it girl. Just try. You don't need the perfect skills you need to be able to just try.
@chryselene
@chryselene 29 днів тому
Just do it. You improve through time and consistency. Watch a youtube video or read a book. DM other artists. It's not that you are incapable, you just don't want to do the work.
@GiulianaBruna
@GiulianaBruna Місяць тому
My art process and research time is my hair a mess, half wearing pijamas , unclean face, not blinking because I just need to finish this idea before I lose the motivation. Really aesthetic I know.
@PurelyCoincidental
@PurelyCoincidental Місяць тому
I'm an historian and it's pretty similar for me. I just bought more pajamas recently because I finally admitted to myself that I write better when I'm in comfy clothing. No one cares what I look like when I'm writing, we all just want my dissertation to be done, lol
@mirandadunham7579
@mirandadunham7579 Місяць тому
Fans being upset about their celeb’s privacy is sooo real and true; I’m an Emma Watson fan and I know many in my fandom are really upset or don’t respect her choose privacy. They act as if it’s there right for her to post about her personal life
@thatsadanarang
@thatsadanarang Місяць тому
I had to take back my privacy for my mental health. I (in my late teens/early 20s) used to over share every little detail. Now I (in my early 30s) haven't posted on ig in almost a year, I never post anything personal on other sns (going on like 5 years), and the only reason I keep my phone on me is to respond to msgs and obvious safety concerns. My screen time is spent watching UKposts and streaming (because much to the chagrin of a few of my friends, I haven't opened tiktok in months). Eventually the feeling of fomo leaves and you're much more peaceful with missing the trends or the memes. So if you're a regular person, not even an influencer or a celebrity, and you've been thinking about detoxing those things from your life, just do it.
@kj.4977
@kj.4977 11 днів тому
Living in the present is necessary for processing life and actually living
@user-rx7uh9mg4f
@user-rx7uh9mg4f 10 днів тому
Same. The closer I get to 30 the less and less I share online.
@baralisabeth
@baralisabeth Місяць тому
Dang. People absolutely can choose to stop over sharing. Imagine thinking people you don't know should tell you everything. I am trying to build a career of art but also keep a very THICK boundary for privacy.
@Lotuaoki
@Lotuaoki 26 днів тому
And that is completely valid!! The Internet has warped the concept of people having boundaries and it's really nuts
@dollynicoly
@dollynicoly 19 днів тому
Although I'm not doing art anymore cuz of burnout, I still am passionate about it and I want to build a career on it. I love dancing, acting, singing, and I really want to work with that, but hell am I scared of "having to overshare myself" just so I can get hired for roles. Reading your comment gives me hope
@nanalove3819
@nanalove3819 16 днів тому
I write and I noticed that more and more publishers expect their writers to be on social media. They don't say it but you can see that not being on social media is a problem for some of them, cause it is a tool for promotion. At the end of the day I created a professional instagram count so I can share only thing related to writing and nothing else. I don't want to waste time sharing personal stuff with people on the internet, life's too short for that. And I don't want people to think they can ask me everything and I should respond. But anyway, I'm not famous, I'm note even published lol.
@breakfast_with_spliffany
@breakfast_with_spliffany 29 днів тому
If I ever saw a commercial for Rolls Royce - it would immediately tarnish their image to me. It would no longer hold it's elite status. I feel like this could translate to Row fashion show. Olsen twins would completely ruin their branding of privacy and exclusiveness. They're intentional with their every step. Argue all you want - what they did clearly has made waves and fell back into the influencers, which is spreading their brand all over. They didn't sell their values by caving into directly using social media....sooooo. Genius. Can't we just have some things that don't need to be touched by socials?
@ahunt1054
@ahunt1054 Місяць тому
I think The Row banning cell phones is really simple. Ashley’s baby was probably there and she simply didn’t want any pictures taken of her child. And maybe didn’t want people commenting on her post baby body. Their are curated images of the collection available for review. Let’s all remember, fashion shows existed before cell phones. Those fashion critic pioneers had to use their memory and take detailed notes. Why can’t todays critics?
@JWartsy
@JWartsy Місяць тому
Wow you hit the nail on the head when you talked about chat spaces back in the day and only being accessible to messages when you decided to log on or when you have the head space to deal with it. These days….There are some who expect you to respond almost immediately to texts and emails. It’s like you don’t have the opportunity to log off anymore.
@VirtualRealibri
@VirtualRealibri Місяць тому
I don't have notifications turned on for anything because it gives me anxiety to feel pressed to instantly reply to people. Some people are bothered by it but I refuse to compromise on this. 😅
@honeyjam9593
@honeyjam9593 15 днів тому
I keep leaving ppl on read for so long.. and they do it too 😂 People are tired
@inkydotdot
@inkydotdot Місяць тому
When people complain about celebrities (and influencers, to an extent) "trying too hard" in media and advertising their aforementioned media, I think a key thing some forget is that these people are WORKING. That is their JOB. People approach their work in multiple different ways, and no one has the same working style, but if I had a financially-stable job that fulfilled me every day and made me excited to live, I'd be trying hard too, because I would be genuinely HAPPY and therefore would have more of an incentive to put my best--and most positive--foot forward.
@blondxe
@blondxe Місяць тому
new intro? It's so cute!! My go-to girl for fashion/culture discourse xx
@Sowindiee10
@Sowindiee10 Місяць тому
I mean… Austin Butler liking ‘The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly’ isn’t a big deal. These interviewers are often asking cinephiles these questions… and a lot of cinephiles consume film in a very different way and from a young age. Hence why they are ‘cinephiles’. Plus that move Butler mentions isn’t exactly pretentious, it’s just old. Maybe if he mentioned some obscure Japanese art house film I’d be like “yeah okay there bud.” But that was a blockbuster at the time and is on Turner Classics all the time. It’s so silly 😂
@steffiew6935
@steffiew6935 Місяць тому
I don't know enough about this topic to put my thoughts together in an eloquent way, but I think we're seeing something similar happening with the internet like we saw/are seeing with fast fashion and fast food. It's all about instant gratification, and celebrities can't always provide something 'instantly' because they're working on durational products. TikTokers/influencers on the other hand have the "luxury" of being able to make things as and when they want (for the most part). And I think as with all things we're now on the downward curve where we've had too much 'fast internet' and are creeping back towards 'traditional internet'. I truly have no idea if that made any sense lmao
@ashleyhunter2156
@ashleyhunter2156 Місяць тому
Makes sense to me. Great point!
@imzabatch
@imzabatch Місяць тому
It makes sense and many other people are expressing the exact same things!
@Aigra
@Aigra Місяць тому
It does make sense. I have deleted TikTok because I find most short content way to shallow, I'd rather watch one long youtube video where the creator has the time to go into as much details as needed to bring the point across.
@user-yl2so8db5t
@user-yl2so8db5t Місяць тому
As you kept talking I realized this is a very “living in a global superpower”/first-second world conversation, especially re: “it’s a privilege to not be an iPad baby and connect with your family”. Poor kids in third world countries are not experiencing this iPad baby pandemic, they do connect with their families even though their families often work insane hours bc of the high need for labor in countries that are only partially industrialized; I’m saying this as a third culture kid originally from one of these countries. I think there is something about American culture that contributes to this as well.
@tamirahgrant5981
@tamirahgrant5981 16 днів тому
I also think living in a first world country especially in the western world there is the notion of rugged individualism and capitalistic living therefore prioritising yourself and money for example people leave home at an earlier age like here in the uk for example you leave home at 18 to study for university then ultimately fall into the working world and there is this separation from family whereas in "developing countries" community and family are much more of a priority and people live at home for much longer etc etc also in the western world the rate of childbirth the size of families and those choosing to start a family are all decreaisng so it is definitely a debate of culture and geography as well
@catcreme
@catcreme 29 днів тому
I fully support The Row's ban on phones. I think it's so annoying when on special events you have professional photographers and videographers who want to fully capture everything, just to have annoying influencers and amateurs pushing their stupid phones right in front of their camera, thus ruining great shots. Or having extra work in postproduction to remove phones from shots.
@Sageisme
@Sageisme 28 днів тому
Kyle McClaughlin is super active on instagram, always posting birthday posts for his old costars and sharing fan art that he gets tagged in. It's not a exactly a window into his private life but he definitely stays humble by keeping up with the fans and you can tell he appreciates his cult following and just eats it up. I think that's part of why he was invited to walk in the runway show, not because he's so private that it's intriguing for him to be included but because of his internet cult status as the GOAT humble actor who picks tasteful roles. It was bound to create the right kind of buzz and it did! He killed it
@maggie3842
@maggie3842 14 днів тому
I remember randomly seeing a video from him saying "things I ate and survived" and then a picture of him in a (honestly hard to describe) look from Dune (1984). Caught me off guard I was laughing so hard, whoever is running his account is funny af
@Of_infinite_Faith
@Of_infinite_Faith 29 днів тому
I'm honestly jealous of Cilian Murphy, I wish I could go back to the time I didn't know about memes
@xulaces
@xulaces Місяць тому
as an illustrator / designer / designer who doesnt use tiktok and HATES voiceover work the solitary artist bit really hit home. wish my work could 100% speak for itself and i didnt have to be a charismatic personality. that being said, longtime lover of your content and i appreciate your hard work!!
@miaomiaou_
@miaomiaou_ 29 днів тому
There are ways to showcase your work without being a personality! Lots of the artists I follow create process-focused content :) I do see lots of people doing voiceovers of interesting stories but visual stories and compilations are effective as well :)
@maddiereynolds6918
@maddiereynolds6918 Місяць тому
this is the earliest i've ever been oh em gee
@Jiji-fl5fl
@Jiji-fl5fl Місяць тому
Me too bro
@riskibiznu
@riskibiznu Місяць тому
Saaaame
@_noctivagus_
@_noctivagus_ Місяць тому
Same
@ayumiii.
@ayumiii. Місяць тому
ikr, samme!!
@northafricangirl
@northafricangirl Місяць тому
Same hehehe
@a.t6343
@a.t6343 Місяць тому
Babe wakeup Mina just posted
@GiulianaBruna
@GiulianaBruna Місяць тому
Quiet fashion and privacy feels not only "classier" but also morally superior? Like the act of showing off is socially look down upon but if the means by which the money was obtained is not morally superior then nothing changes just because it's hidden. People got angry during pandemic times with celebrities showing off their mansions when the rest of us locked down in our little houses. But if they didn't film it that wouldn't make the world less unequal.
@mjjjermaine
@mjjjermaine Місяць тому
+1
@katgreer6113
@katgreer6113 Місяць тому
yup. in the next 16 years when we all start spending again, the celebs won't be afraid too show their spending too and we won't care.
@rezza_lynsaii
@rezza_lynsaii 29 днів тому
@@katgreer6113 idk maybe
@starsinger5935
@starsinger5935 20 днів тому
I feel like this is real reason for the push of exclusivity. It’s not for privacy cuz celebrities don’t make money if they are not visible and heard. They do want exclusivity tho to have clear separation between them and the average joe so critical engagement of thier “earnings “ can be waned. Essentially they are going back to exclusivity to hide the societal and moral disparities that exist
@moonlightshine2275
@moonlightshine2275 Місяць тому
Honestly, as a teenager, i really am on my phone too much. I find the section where you talk about screentime and class really informational. This is a great video ❤
@lucas3283
@lucas3283 Місяць тому
Another thing about celebrities not following anyone is because a follow on social media has been conflated to also represent an endorsement. A lot of “normal people” will of course follow the people who are - for example - the people who unfortunately lead their country, just to hear everything straight from the source, regardless of whether or not one agrees with them. Politics aside, a great example of this is Taylor Swift. After facing relentless, baseless, and extremely sexist media scrutiny in 2016, she went radio silent on her social media until she came back with the blockbuster reputation. Since then she has not followed a single person on social media, because otherwise there would be headlines speculating: “Taylor Swift unfollows XYZ on Instagram! Is there bad blood?” Or vice versa: “Taylor Swift follows XYZ on Instagram! She’s not innocent!”. I think this sort of ties in to what Emma Chamberlain was about not being able to control your own narrative. Ironic, considering most people use social media to reach exactly that goal of control and persona…
@heiext
@heiext Місяць тому
sometimes I overhear people talking about follows on Instagram like "no way she u followed her!!!" and it starts this whole thing where I'm like....all this over a social media follow??
@jocelynmontoya8084
@jocelynmontoya8084 Місяць тому
Kinda feels like the same argument as old money vs. new money where the aristocracy and royalty were/are threatened by the newly minted upper class and I can totally see how some in the fashion space would see these 'influencers' as some how cheaper for how they came up and gained access to the same spaces as them. Some prestige banks on what they have access to vs. what the 'peasants' have access to.
@agosandreotti
@agosandreotti 29 днів тому
I also think the ability to decide when you are online and offline on instant messaging is beautiful, can't we just bring that back?
@lvsmagic
@lvsmagic Місяць тому
My observation from people who have gone low to no posting after making their careers from YT is there's very much a sense of "oh, so you think you're too good for us now???". Absolutely some do fall under that category - Drew Gooden's video on Lily Singhs really captures this, but also, no one is required to keep their job forever. The amount of people who start YT as literal teenagers who eventually start doing other things, it's such a weird take that they have to continue (forever I guess?) vlogging their life.
@mjjjermaine
@mjjjermaine Місяць тому
30:43 This is so true!! “He’s good and he tries hard” There is also an air of “passive success,” or talent that ignores the hard work or skill that goes into it.
@mjjjermaine
@mjjjermaine Місяць тому
Also, on the note of privacy, I do think especially in the US that people should take their data security more seriously. It’s interesting how in the 90s the internet was known for its anonymity, and now it is impossible to use completely anonymously. There is a growing need to be seen - and to experience the exclusive that seems at odds. (I also think in certain contexts, gatekeeping is not a bad word. Many marginalized communities use gatekeeping as a function to protect and preserve their cultures)
@joaa89
@joaa89 Місяць тому
This is literally what I've been talking about for the past years - we used to be anonymous and somehow we were able to behave ourselves (yeah, yeah, generalizing here) - now, with our faces visible and our names signed we're hateful. It blows my mind, how some people on SM don't seem to grab it, that we actually see the name and the face to these awful words.
@kj.4977
@kj.4977 11 днів тому
It used to be there was a distinct difference in how to conduct yourself on the Internet versus how to conduct oneself in real life, but since the “Age of Karens,” they’ve been merging, and it is really unsettling and makes me uneasy.
@doralicebenedusi5752
@doralicebenedusi5752 Місяць тому
Amazing video. I think we are slowly but gradually getting over social media. Personally, deleting my socials and deactivating all notifications except from phone calls was the best decision I've made!
@ctheo2020
@ctheo2020 27 днів тому
Yes! The honeymoon phase is def over :)
@rubyschutzbank7045
@rubyschutzbank7045 Місяць тому
Its like when everyone was so mad that influencers were at the Met Gala but the Kardashians and other celebrities are always so talked about when they go. Though they dont really relate to high fashion.
@temmybanana
@temmybanana 29 днів тому
Being an artist myself and having to constantly make reels about my process etc; that part really hit home. I enjoy making reels from time to time but having to upload consistently is so exhausting and the fear of drowning in the masses and not being able to pay my bills haunts me almost every day. I’m effectively creating less art to create more content. Love your content always, you have such smart and deep insights into things ❤
@thehouseofmillie
@thehouseofmillie 29 днів тому
hmm
@CaptainPygar
@CaptainPygar 27 днів тому
To me the "actors known for their villan roles walking the runaway in suits like those iconic villains" worked because they did that well. When many times influencers are trying to walk like models and they are bad at it. If the elder gentleman would have tried to walk like hunky young male models it would have looked silly too.
@seventh_line_art
@seventh_line_art Місяць тому
Since history always repeats itself, this really just seems like a new version of old money vs. new money all over again. It's really fascinating to watch
@luanakiehl1475
@luanakiehl1475 12 днів тому
23:00 to be fair, not every actor wants the limelight. loving what you do for a living - acting and playing/slipping into different roles and their minds and lives - does not mean for everyone that they want to also be a public figure in their personal life. It's their JOB, some want the professional and private not be mixed and I am rooting for it! :)
@onedirectionownsme6224
@onedirectionownsme6224 Місяць тому
I've recently been obsessed with cillian so I love that u put him on the cover
@noelletakesthesky3977
@noelletakesthesky3977 Місяць тому
An ex and I looked into Montessori of the Penn for his daughter, and loved it, but the cost…ouch. The kid’s mom wouldn’t agree, and a judge, who ended up being personal friends with her attorney, agreed to let the mom homeschool instead, which she didn’t do. Queue up a bunch of drama. I really don’t think we can fairly say that it’s a privilege to not be online. Kicking back outside with a book is free. Radios still exist (though I think that counting time on Apple Music or Spotify counts as screen time when a radio doesn’t). There are a lot of no-screen options that are free. As someone who has been homeless, having a place to reliably charge devices is a luxury.
@gaybroccoli97
@gaybroccoli97 26 днів тому
I think what you said about gated communities and public spaces was so interesting! It's as if physical spaces, beauty and nature are finite resources that could disappear if too many ppl take part in it, and/or becomes "dirty" if The Poors and The Commoners come too close to it. I live in Sweden where we have "freedom to roam"/"everyman's right" (allemansrätten) and legal "protection of beaches" which basically means that, with some exceptions, everyone has the right to spend time in nature. While Sweden still has, like, gentrification, rich ppl and gated communities and the problems those things bring, I think that those legal rights have meant a lot for how accessible privacy & nature is to ppl in general. While rich ppl ofc still want to have their own spaces, I think most of them also see the benefit in publicly available natural areas, bc they enjoy them too. Nature & the experience of it, when maintained, isn't a finite resource, and it can be "used" by everyone as long as it's maintained and cared for. The system here and the fact that it has worked forever shows that.
@plamenamanolova572
@plamenamanolova572 29 днів тому
Funnily enough “The good the bad and the ugly” was my favourite movie growing up, not because I was super smart or anything, but because my dad had it on all… the… time… 🤷🏻‍♀️ maybe Austin’s parents were obsessed by Eastwood too 😂
@pleasekillme6322
@pleasekillme6322 Місяць тому
I work in tech, and most of my colleagues and I keep our kids away from tablets and phones, because we know how addictive and unhealthy the apps we are developping are.
@alice4ever4444
@alice4ever4444 24 дні тому
This is something I've noticed with all my tech friends. They don't ever use social media. And given what we've learned about It, they would know better than anyone 😅
@JoyTheNetflixAddict
@JoyTheNetflixAddict 29 днів тому
In love with this girl, how do u stay consistent with reading articles like that have actually intellectual value
@kleinemanati
@kleinemanati 27 днів тому
16:50 As someone who has lived their whole life in a gated community, there is some missconception about them and other nuances that get left out. At least in Chile, the country where I live, gated communities are not a thing of luxury but rather a thing about safety. Gated communities are often for middle class people to keep things like robberies and assaults away and don't have the luxuries mentioned in the video. There are of course those where rich people live, but those are the expections. In fact, the richest (like important politicians such as the president or celebrities) often don't live in gated communities, but in houses open to the streets (with a metal fence of course, but every single person has a gate outside of their house, even some in gated communities.)
@kleinemanati
@kleinemanati 27 днів тому
Also, things like nannies or cleaning ladies aren't a luxury either. Every second family has one at least one or two times a week. Especially parents who have to work all day and need both help with the house and the children.
@alexmcginness8859
@alexmcginness8859 Місяць тому
The MySpace era was the BEST. What a time to be alive.
@sarabarazzetta4684
@sarabarazzetta4684 Місяць тому
In Italy every one uses whatsapp and now you can decide not to show if you are online and if you have seen messages.. and honestly its the best thing I’ve ever did
@asfsgdwfsfew4fwsdfgwerf232
@asfsgdwfsfew4fwsdfgwerf232 27 днів тому
I think one of the reasons why some celebs don't follow anyone is if there is a falling out on any of their friends it's not as public or if anyone they follow did a crime or is being called out by the whole internet, they probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.
@Lotuaoki
@Lotuaoki 26 днів тому
Yeah exactly this
@SimplyAdrxjaMore
@SimplyAdrxjaMore Місяць тому
Fav teacher posted !!
@swatikumari1992
@swatikumari1992 Місяць тому
You are beautiful
@dravendarkmatter
@dravendarkmatter Місяць тому
Gary Oldman had to relearn his original accent one time, too. It's not that unusual. a lot of talented actors are absorbent. Film sets are immersive, high pressure and crazy, man. U get in a zone. And if you're fluid enough to be a super good actor, your fluids can get congealed into certain shapes and stuff.
@michellealbers3191
@michellealbers3191 Місяць тому
The Row might have banned phones to slow down the Shein copies.
@somyaupadhyay3561
@somyaupadhyay3561 27 днів тому
Saying 0 followers is a way to show that celebrities don't use Instagram is a leap. I agree with a lot of this code but I can understand why someone doesn't want feeds. I have been trying to unfollow a lot of pages I used to follow in the 2010s because -some pages are dead , -some brand accounts with problematic marketing using unrealsitic body images - triggering content, pages that I now realise could be polarising or ignorant, -tabloids that I have grown out of or want to stop wasting time on. Over all, I'm trying to reduce my screen time and maybe be more thoughtful as a consumer of the content I am exposed to and I am not a popular person but I can see why someone could want 0 followers. Another reason I see is ,I also remember following pages because my favourite celebs followed them and that can cause an indirect affiliation. Its not the worst thing to be conscious of the possible issues with giving some pages visibility without really knowing their intentions, business model and ethics when you are in the public eye.
@Josh-ds4ez
@Josh-ds4ez Місяць тому
This isn't really related to the video (which I really enjoyed by the way) but I felt the need to say that your tone of voice and presence is very engaging. I'm usually the person who skips around videos or puts them on 2x speed because I'm impatient but I was really invested in this. It was educational, entertaining and had me forming opinions on things I hadn't thought of before. Thank you for your video Mina and I think I'll watch more of them. Also, in response to the video I do feel like a lot of the resentment influencers receive is out of jealousy. Influencers are in a weird spot where they need to be relateable enough to reach and attract people while being "unique" enough to stand out and actually influence. When they get invited to events they're seen as regular people who have no skill or necessity to be there. I think people tend to want that for themselves and hate on influencers whilst disregarding other skills like networking and being business aware go into these things. Celebrities are given more grace as usually they're less accessible. It's because of their talent and their passion or they've been in the industry for years etc. People don't relate to celebrities as much and so can view them as "special" unlike influencers who are deemed I guess "less special". Anyways, I think it's interesting to see how this topic will evolve as you have some celebrities like Beyonce, Cillian Murphy, that one guy from the vampire diaries whose name I forgot etc, who stay offline and are praised for it. But on the other hand many celebrities are developing cult followings through interacting with fans directly. The line between celebrity and influencer is becoming more blurred as parasocial relationships become more and more normalised. Sorry for the rambling, I just found this quite interesting even though, the fashion stuff is kind of new to me. Thanks again for such a great video!!
@reemyfairy09
@reemyfairy09 Місяць тому
I must say on one hand i do like when my favorite celeb communicate with us sharing their daily thoughts, hobbies so we can relate to them but also when it gets too much it just loses that aura and charisma
@EyeGlassTrainofMind
@EyeGlassTrainofMind Місяць тому
Idk, there are a lot of nonfamous non influencer, etc., people who are not large presences online. My uncle is a prominent medical researcher and practitioner in our area, which itself is a major hub for medical and tech development and he's the most offline person. I have my phone but if I leave it at home one day, I know that literally everyone else around me pretty much has one, I'll have one at work, and then I can always message via email etc., and the rest is out of my control and that's fine. I wasn't raised at a Waldorf school but in a mid-tech family where usage was moderated and I come from families of mostly poor, working-class immigrants. I don't think being private and being offline for nonfamous/nonelites is a sign of snobbery or necessarily class divide (plenty of people richer than me are addicted to their devices and online presence). It's just about prioritization. Did your family prioritize face-to-face or not? Did they instill boundaries and emphasize strong executive functioning skills and supports or not?
@spuwua
@spuwua Місяць тому
love you mina!!! thank you for the new video ❤
@ilybyhaben2553
@ilybyhaben2553 Місяць тому
i watch your videos everyday while walking to school, doing coursework and doing all my chores i love them sm thank u🙏🏾🩷🤞🏾
@brokenegg4714
@brokenegg4714 Місяць тому
I love finding new artists sharing the work on social media, I really think it has pushed artists to become better at what they do to stand out. …I just can’t stand the influencers who dole out crappy advice about what a person should or shouldn’t wear, what they should say or do, or brain dead relationship advice. I feel a little more inspired to share my work now. Thanks.
@eliza6971
@eliza6971 29 днів тому
Can confirm, Silicon Valley absolutely fetishizes rural/rustic living. It’s one of the parts of the old San Francisco (and Marin) that Silicon Valley absolutely cannibalized.
@madelynmahurin8357
@madelynmahurin8357 Місяць тому
I love everythingggg about this video 💘 But also! My worst fears confirmed! If I want to be an author I have to market myself 🤢 on social media 🤮
@rachellydiab
@rachellydiab Місяць тому
The Austin Butler and Jared Leto comparison has me cackling
@neon.anissa
@neon.anissa Місяць тому
Even fashion editors can get off their high horse. It's not a "right" to have your phone to make your job easier, any more than it's your right to be invited to a fashion show. I fully support any artist or designer not "democratizing" their products. The runway to shein pipeline relies on social media.
@syddlinden8966
@syddlinden8966 29 днів тому
Ooo. I hadn't made that connection that with web 1.0 we didn't get msgs until we got online. And that really is a big part of the difference in vibes. I really miss those old forum days... Like there were interpersonal issues, yeah, aren't there always, but algorithms seem to do nothing but amplify those social issues whereas I feel like we used to tackle them and then they were dealt with until someone else acted up again.
@demiofthewoods
@demiofthewoods Місяць тому
Mina your setup looks so good!!
@shercarrasco4387
@shercarrasco4387 Місяць тому
when you mentioned the struggle of artists that have to be online to be able to sell/be known, it hit hard, I myself do a lot of stuff including crochet and jewerly and stuff and i love doing them but its so hard when its the time to make tedious reels and follow the trend of the week just so people can see your art.
@thehouseofmillie
@thehouseofmillie 29 днів тому
Can you not invest in pop up event and market stands. Or even online markeplaces like Amazon?
@kutelilkanga
@kutelilkanga Місяць тому
This is making me recognize like the privilege to privacy is also related to just the privilege of time and choice when you don’t have to worrying about survival with your money like and how capitalism effects our relationships like it was never the phones it’s the fact that our system doesn’t make time for children or just going with the flow like and they wonder why younger generations don’t wanna have kids and why we have the issues with our younger generations that we have now
@bachirihiba4959
@bachirihiba4959 Місяць тому
I love your content and yapping
@sowhat7482
@sowhat7482 Місяць тому
You are amazing especially considering the amount of time and research that it takes to make such a video. love hearing you talk.
@magicknight13
@magicknight13 8 хвилин тому
Fascinating as usual!! Thank you!
@Aurriel
@Aurriel Місяць тому
I think how fast you are in taking notes on different mediums is dependend on a) what you are used too b) how you take notes (for people not thinking in words or sentences it may be easier to use a notebook as they are not limited to letters, numbers and emojis) Edit: Your little giggle when mentioning Cilian Murphy is just so cute!
@Wookie_Tan
@Wookie_Tan Місяць тому
back to back bangers, mina
@jsslandero
@jsslandero Місяць тому
Thank u queen for another video
@carolyn2377
@carolyn2377 28 днів тому
Love your stuff Mina! Wish I had something profound to add but wanted to say your topics are always so rich and well researched
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