I first read this comment as "hilarious and precarious" and I agree with both versions

100% agree

Yep. I totally ship it 😂

I read this comment before listening to the episode and i dont know if its possible for me to be more excited

It's what we needed

It's deliciously twisted. That's what makes this show so engaging

The British and their love of professionalism.

aaaaaaaaa!!!

yo i actually squeaked in happiness ksflkwfjlwfl

Hell yes, I wasn't sure for 106 episodes and OH BOY, THE RELIEF

i honestly was hoping john would be aroace

Not to dampen the mood, I don't quite understand why the character's relationships have a bigger priority for apparently so many people over the actual horror part of this horror podcast. It's neat for representation and all that, but I feel like the horror has become somewhat of a triviality in favour of world building and character development. Two aspects which are normally fundamental for most kinds of fiction but are secondary for horror.

that's our Elias

We love Elias

i love him

He's the worst person but is the best villain.

slay queen

I don't like this painting john, it's smug aura mocks me

the only death that man earned is everyone killing him murder on the orient express style

I’m late to this party, but I imagine somewhere in the archives is a portrait of Elias that Jon has punched a hole through 😂

@@timmagness7949 if Tim hasn’t already

Someone needs to draw a mustache on his portrait

that's dark man

OH FUCK... I didn't get it until I came back two weeks later......

@@azulBjort_1406 I can't believe it's been 2 years since my TMA hyperfixation... Bad time in my life, but hey, great story. Was not able to listen to the last season, because I get too attached to characters.

@@cawareyoudoin7379 I started listening to TMA like about three weeks about but I finished it in two but since I hadn't really interacted with the fandom because of spoilers and that I'm to attached to move one I figured I would re-listen to it, plus it's a hole new experience once you understand all of the forshadowing from the earlier seasons and there's always something you missed on your first go.... So yeah you could say it's a bit of a hyperfixation , but it's nothing compared to what i had during my Supernatural craze a bit more than a year ago, I'd say it was a similar situation to what you mention, now i can't even think about the show without feeling massive wave of what i was feeling with back then. I've been sort of getting better. This is my first go at theses sort's of podcast and it's be wonderfully, and yes the final was absolutely gutt renching but I've loved ever minute of it, but feel like with TMA I'll be able to let go once I finish listening to it again, I'm like half way through it right now. So thanks for the chance for my therapy dump ✌️

@@azulBjort_1406 Good luck. Also, depending on how putin election day went for you, I'm either happy for you or I feel your pain. I only know Supernatural through internet osmosis.

They knew what they were doing, and I absolutely love it!

So it’s a SpACE episode??

Jon is only attracted to knowledge and the crushing black abyss of the unknown

@@jungtothehuimangand Martin but just not sexually

He could also just be a very rare dater. What she described could just as easily be abstinence.

I know! I feel so giddy!

That is the point. You are *seen...* The Eye watches.

I know right?! My poor ace heart is squeaking!!

this series has such good rep

im just so excitedd to get it confirmed, also i just loveeeeee that Goerige and him dated and it was ok for goodness sake, and even iff they broke up, it doesn;t seem like Goergie broke up with him over that at all. i love seeing that too!

Pretty sure he’s Ace on his wiki!

even though i despise melanie as a character it was painful to listen to that scene

I thought it was cool to see the other half of the Daedalus story. As I said in the last one, this is what you get for naming your vessel after Greek tragedy.

I kinda love that this implies that Elias torturing someone is a normal day for him. 😂

Ikr

I thought she said that one time that it was her opening a marker, I could be completely wrong tho

@@Hyena_Heckler Its a holdover from her filming. You clap at the start to ensure you have audio and video in sync.

Right? It's interesting to see how her, Martin, and Jon's styles of starting a recording all vary somewhat.

I love it >w< so cute!!!

He’s a fuckin human being and they treat him like such 🎶

He's a little stuffy and awkward, but very likeable, I really appreciate Jon as representation

I couldnt agree with you more. Until now i thought Tod from Bojack was the closest thing to representation we had...

@@steampunkmagpie777 Todd is great, but I had trouble embracing him as a rep until I found out other examples. He's a fantastic person in universe and all, but I don't want naivety and immaturity to be the only trait people associate with asexuality from his impact. Other ace reps I really enjoy are Alastor of Hazbin hotel as he is incredibly likeable and fun, yet weaves asexuality nicely into his persona, and Florence from that one episode of Sex Education, because she's memorable and her asexuality is brought up very organically through her interest in theatre.

I know right? It so nice that they didn't go "he's not cold and uptight because he's ace, he's cold and uptight because he's a human disaster living through a nightmare", and it's so good

HOLY SHIT

omg you're right, he never mentioned anything about any contact with the rest of the crew once the door slammed shut. considering that this guy said the answers always sounded so distant maybe it was someone on earth aligned with this entity that the box connected to

at a guess, I'd say that the consortium that put the Daedalus together wanted his section to be completely cut off, so the intercom was actually connected to a radio back to ground control, or a recording or something, which would reply to their maintenance checks. The other guy mentioned in his statement that there was, at the least, a camera in his section of the station that was intentionally placed to be obvious but never plugged in. Probably they were fucking with all the astronauts.

Didn't he also mention that he saw an empty space suit out of his window at one point?

@@epsyblue7714 he did. He also said the Earth disappeared. So did the sun, the moon, and finally the stars. He also tried to open the door with the code at some point but it just said no one was coming.

no , he says There were two other people technically on the crew. I say technically as I never spent any time with them beyond the trip up to the Daedalus.

I AM LIVING MY BEST LIFE AAA

I always thought he was aromantic, which is the main reason why hevstopped dating Georgie

MY DAY HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN MADE

@@Child_of_Fae i didn't even know they dated?!

@@Child_of_Fae bro nvm i hadn't finished the episode ;~;

I don't know why but to me it kinda sounds like she's poping a marker cap off

Hmmm, put that way, maybe its similar to the breathing exercise Martin does?

I really want to know if she's thought it through enough to KNOW it doesn't do anything, or if she's running on All Instinct (Filmmaker's EditionTM) to get her through this nightmarish mess.

Let's hope so, or I feel like these two idiots would dance around eachother forever in an eternal torturous mutual pining slow burn

@@pianos4095 yeah that dont get together for awhile..... sadly

Allow me to grace you with my favorite fanart on the subject: twitter.com/GangCane/status/1262922004576993281?s=20

@@pLanetstarBerry thank you for this blessing 🙏🙏🙏

@@pLanetstarBerry omg I love that so much

He‘s so me!!!!

Me too 😊

CRUSTY OLD WIZARD IM CACKLING

Agreed

Geared Keay ghost wrote this.

Agreed. Finding out that someone you loved had a GRUESOME death is probably one of the worst things ever...

Yeah, preferably with a pipe.

@@jaderush4141 a smoking one or..? Oh... oh a metal one.

I love him, he's such a bitch

@@screaminggecko7660 everyone is calling him a bastard but you’re right he’s more of a bitch. It’s great though he’s fun to hate.

@@Sheena000 oh yea he's a blast

It's incredible how much serotonin it can give you and then crush your entire life and give you severe depression in the same episode

@@pho_is_not_interesting oof 😅 ikr

SAME. When I heard that I lost my MIND. Like I knew he was ace beforehand, but I wasn't sure if it was like a fanon thing, but they made it 100% canon

SAME SAME SAME I WAS SO EXITED

What the fuck is an ace, can someone explain?

@@Mondy667 asexual

SAME

Same here! It's so interesting to see knowledge used as a weapon since all the other fears have hurt people but until now the Eye really hasn't.

Tim and Melanie: then kill me! Elias: that's no fun thooooough

Elias is a bastard but I also like him as a villain. Like Joy Cooper said, it's interesting how he uses knowledge as a weapon. And Jon can make someone tell him their darkest secret and use that as a threat if he wanted to.

hes the character you just love you absolutly loathe

@@gallifrey_falls What about that person who looked in the hand mirror and felt someone watching them for the rest of their life? That sounds like Eye territory.

Yeah

Some monsters are human.

@@NotSceptile elias is not one of those monsters

Hes a power tripping loser and Im seriously questioning anyone who still has any respect or sympathy for him.

​@@NotSceptileElias is _not_ human. He's an avatar; like Jon.

Bro, are you really talking ethics with the eye,,,?

HR? At the Magnus Institute? You ok bro?

You mean the person actively trying to murder him on multiple occasions, even after being VERY politely asked to stop doing that? You know, something that in most civilized places would entitle you to self-defense up to and including killing your assailant? And all he did was reveal something that Jon had already covered as a statement, meaning she'd likely end up finding that out anyways.

@@tirnos739 i love how everyone is like "oh its okay, because shes trying to kill him" - he is literally holding her hostage tho. For no apparent reason. And youre mad at HER for wanting out by any means necessary? I am seriously questioning anyone who still has sympathy or respect for Elias.

@@americantoastman7296 She literally signed up for this, though. She was warned several times and still agreed to play with forces beyond her comprehension because of her own petty pride and nothing else. Just because she interpreted the implication she couldn't handle dealing with the archive as a personal insult. Elias is a bastard and nobody really deserves that kind of trauma, but my sympathy for her is minimal.

No she didn’t? She was offered a job when she had just been shot, had no money and no one to turn to. Be for real right now martins stutters wouldn’t convince anyone not to sign in that situation. Also, by that logic, I hope you feel similarly about Tim cause, even though John recommended him for the job he is the one that willingly started working for the institute… I don’t want to say that a large part of the tma fan base is misogynistic but you guys make it really hard.

@@peristeris4749​​⁠​⁠Well said. My only fault with Melanie in this particular instance is that she risks ending her the lives of her colleagues as well as hers by killing Elias, so there might be a germ of truth in his accusation that she’s being “selfish.” But even then, Elias deliberately trapped her in this situation for his own selfish agenda, knowing full well that she might react this way, so hating on Melanie seems highly misguided. As to the misogyny thing, that’s a bit harder to quantify. I mean, I have noticed a bit of a double standard when it comes to Tim lashing out and Melanie lashing out. I had mostly attributed it to the fact that Tim seemed a happy-go-lucky character when we first met him, so people get that we’re seeing him at a low point. Melanie, on the other hand, started out being abrasive and confrontational with our main character, and the first impression sticks and makes people less sympathetic to her, even as her character develops. It probably doesn’t help that even when she’s being friendly, she still can’t stop taking jabs at people. But are people more forgiving of Tim because it’s more “acceptable” in society for men to be loudly angry and aggressive than it is for women? That’s a distinct possibility, and it would be naive to rule that out, even if we’re talking about a fandom one would hope was above that kind of thing.

Meanwhile, Jon talking to Jude Perry: “Just kill me! Why don’t you, if you’re not going to tell me anything useful…” :mopes:

I know!!! He's like Hero Killer Stain. Hes a bad dude, but he's so interesting.

Right! On the one hand I absolutely despise him, for obvious reasons, but on the other hand he’s so damn terrifying and so well written I can’t help but love it. Not his actions, but his character being the way he is? So good. I cannot wait to listen to the rest of the series to see where this goes Future me edit: well shit

@yourlocaltheatrekid900 without spoiling anything, how much worse does it get? Because I absolutely *love* Elias as a character, but vague implications about something in future episodes low-key scare me😅

I liked Elias ;_;

i fucking love elias!

I like Elias :D He’s at least reasonable most of the time. Doesn’t retaliate unless pressed. The thing with Leitner was extremely stupid though.

@@coreacartoonist Agreed, he could have very easily explained away his killing of Gertrude as necessary to defend the institute, and while people still would have been hostile towards him he'd at least be able to make a strong case to those like Jon and Martin that such hostility was irrational. However, killing Lietner made that impossible and exacerbated the hostility they would have already had tremendously. Now he is just another monster, not a human which they may begin to sympathize with over time

Kel BenV02 Honestly, I don’t think we know enough of Elias’s history with Leitner to really make a judgement.

Eve Green oh good. But also Jon saying he loves someone has me worried since he has so many walls put up! 👀

When did he tell Martin I love you?🤔

@@amphitritemists4595 in the future, apparently xd

@@jaderush4141 ok good i thought i missed the episode where he admitted his feelings for Martin xD

That's a fucking spoiler dude, thank you! Not.

holy shit that's amazing. Honestly the isolation guy's story was so horrifying and hearing that the other two astronauts were apparently also going through their own things separately just makes it worse.

@@b-blythe6763 on reddit, there was talks of maybe hearing a starting of Manuela in the future. Collect them all

I'm sure he's human...or at least...he was human once.

Oh he still knows right from wrong, he's just using the excuse that the ends justify the means. He's fine hurting those around him, so long as he thinks he's saving the world

He seems very human to me, but touched by the entity like all the avatars are. Something like what Jon fears he might himself become.

i get the impression that jon is slowly getting elias's abilities

From what I can tell for now he is just the purest definition of a psychopath but with super powers

I listened to this while driving. I felt seen by The Eye.

@@DerMoerpler saw, also, sorry about your brother Tim. He sounds like an interesting guy.

HES LITERALLY JUST LIKE ME FR 🫶🏻🫶🏻

ASEXUAL JON ASEXUAL JON ASEXUAL JON AAAAAAA 😭

ACE JON ACE JON ACE JON

The VA, Ben Meredith, just kills it as Elias.

Ah yes Ex Altiora! Thank you for reminding me of the plot of it, I had forgotten. And yes, it is connected the entity that's appearing here. At least that's what the wiki says (careful, the wiki can spoil things if you're not careful) the-magnus-archives.fandom.com/wiki/Ex_Altiora

Jude Perry basically confirmed the book's connection with all this big void stuff. When Jon asked about Michael Crew, she said he hung out with Simon Fairchild a lot.

Yeah! And also the massive being the one guy saw while scuba diving for that old guys grandfathers ship

Same!! Such an interesting villain but as a person I can and will flay him on sight

I adore Elias as a villain. And I also long for us to witness Daisy or Melanie decking him with a folding chair. 😊 He's like the opposite of "Thanks! I hate it!" he's more like "Horrifying! More please!"

@@SI-nx3fo I fail to see him as a villain in this case. 1) He was confronting someone who literally planned and attempted to carry out his murder on multiple occasions. 2) He has attempted on at least 2 occasions to have rational, peaceful conversations to get her to stop trying to murder him. 3) Instead of resorting to violence or even killing her in self-defense, he just revealed something to her that she'd likely learn anyways, since Jon has already covered what happened at that nursing home in a previous statement. Maybe a bit brutal emotionally, but frankly it's quite a bit less violent and painful than most of us would react to someone trying to murder us on multiple occasions. He's a dick to be sure, but seeing as his objective seems to be just to maintain the status quo of the world and he only acts against people who actively try to do him or the Institute harm... certainly not a villain. Maybe future videos will reveal him as one, but up to this point he hasn't shown any signs of doing anything villainous.

@@tirnos739 It's not like she just tried to kill him out of nowhere. He manipulated her (and everyone else in the archive) into an extremely dangerous and emotionally traumatizing job where the only way out is death and is serving a supernatural being that they all know very little about. Elias has done some really fucked up things over the course of this series and allowed a bunch more really fucked up things to happen from inaction. I'd definitely say he qualifies as an antagonist if not an actual villain. That being said, I don't think she was right to try to kill him either, just that I understand why she would want to. This whole situation is so fucked up and pretty much everyone has done some awful things to each other and I don't think anyone looks great at this point.

@@tirnos739 oh bruh its you again. Dude is literally holding them hostage for no apparent reason but gets all surprised and edgy when they dont like it?? He is literally torturing someone who is bound and gagged at this point but ur like "oh she wants to kill him tho" OF COURSE SHE DOES. WHO WOULDNT?? Crusty gaslighting bastard, hope he gets the Leitner treatment.

Bro same

Lmao same. He'll probably put some weird thoughts and images into our head but itll be worth it.

Had you not been listening?!?!?

I mean.... he hasnt exactly been subtle lol but if you stretched you could have interpreted all the hints as "martin is desperately obsessed with becoming his friend"

i thought it was p obvious especially when martin asked her if she meant that she "liked-liked" jon lol

NOPE NOPE NOPE ITS CANON BABYYYYYYYY

as a reply to all of you: i was listening but i interpreted it as martin just really deeply cares for jon. i thought the fandom took that and created the relationship, but hey, it's even better canon LMAOO

Aw hell yeah, finally my people.

Agreed. Like someone else in the comments mentioned, Melanie might very well look at John's recording of the Ivy Meadows statement (Taken ill) and then she'd find some horrifying mental images implanted into her brain anyway!! I liked her to begin with and I still kind of do, but she's obsessed with thinking that she ultimately knows more/better than everyone else in the Archives team and completely fails to take them seriously. Like - they're not the "credulous idiots" you accused them of being in S1, you've NEEDED them for HELP which they GAVE YOU (Jon) and now you're still being a jerk???? omg there's more to the paranormal than ghosts Melanie stop thinking you're the big expert.

It's actually Daedalus, after the architect from Greek mythology, the father of Icarus. He also built the labyrinth that the Minotaur was held in. :)

@@TheNitpickChick oh thats really interesting! Thank you for letting me know that! I really just meant it as a joke... I'm sorry if it was offensive or anything. Thanks agian for telling me the origin of the name! Have fun listening to Tma

@@kazoo_king_ - No, no offense taken at all! I'm just a huge greek mythology nerd, and can't resist spouting random facts. lol 😅 I suspected your comment was a joke, but I couldn't tell for certain, so I figured there was no harm in making sure. Hope you enjoy listening to TMA as well! 😊

@@TheNitpickChick Hello fellow mythology nerd, have you read Percy Jackson?

@@remuslupin2795 Hello there! I have, actually! I only really started getting into it a few months ago, so I've only read the first couple books so far, but I'm really enjoying the series so far! 😊

Vanished into thick dirt

Enjoy Air Thin.