The New Ford Bronco Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test, And It REALLY Surprised Us!
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День тому( tfl-studios.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Just how well does the brand new 2021 Ford Bronco actually *tow*? That's what we're here to find out! In this video, Andre and Tommy take our Bronco First Edition with the Sasquatch Package - rated to tow just under 3,500 pounds - up the notorious Ike Gauntlet: the World's Toughest Towing Test.
00:00-1:12 Intro
1:13-2:59 FJ Downhill
3:00-3:28 Trailer
3:29-4:55 FJ Downhill pt2
4:56-5:28 FJ Squat
5:29-6:26 FJ Brake Count
6:27-10:23 Bronco Hitch Install
10:24-15:49 Bronco Downhill
15:50-16:20 Hitch
16:21-18:23 Bronco Brake Count
18:24-21:56 FJ Uphill
21:57-22:33 FJ Sound Check
22:34-23:44 FJ Uphill Time
23:45-25:46 Bronco Uphill
25:47-26:12 Bronco Sound Check
26:13-28:32 Bronco Uphill pt2
28:33-29:00 Bronco Squat
29:01-31:06 Bronco Uphill Time
31:07-32:54 Verdict
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@kingshawn1857 2 роки тому
Damn that fj was searching for gears like a crackhead searching for loose change
@shaneolsen9394 2 роки тому
That poor FJ, transmissions don't like excessive shifting under a load especially but I've said this before I dont like they don't use the manual gear set, I know the FJ is older but I bet it still has some form of gear selection
@bundo-san 2 роки тому
lmao no kidding! I was feeling a bit uncomfortable watching it hunt so aggressively XD
@lutomson3496 2 роки тому
@@shaneolsen9394 I would still take the FJ especially for the value I do manual shift automatics to optimize the maximum torque with RPM's comparing a modern transmission with new technology isnt really a comparison
@shaneolsen9394 2 роки тому
@@lutomson3496 I agree no comparison at all but I dont blame the FJ I blame the driver
@HAHA.GoodMeme 2 роки тому
@@shaneolsen9394 Yep you need to be manually shifting on huge hills to get the most out of Toyotas, that doesn't make them bad, that means you need to get gud
@ThatOneDudeNick 2 роки тому
Always weird to hear royalty free music shared between channels. I couldn't stop thinking of Off The Ranch during the title card.
@zachylimaki2167 2 роки тому
I knew I recognized that tune. Just couldn't think of where. Long live the Demolitia huh...
@georgejulien3286 2 роки тому
@@zachylimaki2167 don’t tell mere
@ethanhall1974 2 роки тому
Same
@TermlessHGW 2 роки тому
Richard Gene the fishing machine outro tune
@CurtisDishman 2 роки тому
Woop woop Demolitia!!!!
@jimbaloni1877 2 роки тому
16:15 "but it looks like a rocketship that has docked itself in a donut" "...yes" lmao
@phil_builds 2 роки тому
....reduce your towing capabilities by 2% per 1000 foot elevation gain. To maintain sea level performance. Just take that in....to maintain sea level performance. Why must you give Ford grief about that? It's basic physics for engine performance. When you're at higher elevation there is less air...therefore to point out the obvious, your engine will perform at a lower efficiency. The real question is why 2% and not any higher than that. To add to that, what would the percentage of change be for its competitors? Because clearly that FJ struggled a lot more than the bronco so in theory you would have to reduce its towing capabilities way more than 2% to ...oh hey check that out..maintain sea level performance. The percentage change is the key. So at what percentage would the FJ finally be happy and not hunt around for gears all the time and lose speed. That I feel is more of a scientific test.
@aashilr Рік тому
Yup, applies to every ICE vehicle. Ford was good enough to tell you
@Cz82 2 роки тому
that face Tommy made when the FJ was going up hill, hilarious 😂😂😂
@Kingcold2002 2 роки тому
Mega Ike gauntlet maverick vs Santa Cruz
@dmegahan 2 роки тому
There is a 100% chance this will happen when given the chance.
@danrather5473 2 роки тому
It’s like the special Olympics for trucks 🤡
@NWI_Steel 2 роки тому
I cant wait for the Maverick tests!
@boughtandpaidforautoreview1150 2 роки тому
Yep. TFL is for seeing how vehicles perform their weakest and most pointless tasks. HD truck mpg test 1/2 ton drag race Crossovers off road Rock crawlers towing Spots car cargo capacity and seating
@eddleman72 2 роки тому
Reference your comment that the Toyota doesn't have a "tow/haul" mode, 4Runner & FJ Cruiser based on the 4Runner have historically has a tow mode called "overdrive lockout" versus "tow haul". What the overdrive lockout does is keep the transmission out of the highest gear (0.86 overdrive ratio) and agressively keeps the torque converter locked up to reduce heat build up in the transmssion. In my 4Runner pulling heavy loads, engine RPM with Overdrive lockout (not in final highest gear & torque converter locked) and overdrive not locked (highest gear & torque converter not locked up therefore doing torque multiplication along with some slip, and heat generatred) results in nearly the same engine rpm with far less overall transmssion heat generation. If you'll check the owners manual regarding towing, it strongly recommends use of the overdrive lockout when towing.. Sounds like a tow/haul mode to me....
@mnmvuk 2 роки тому
Overdrive lock out is not the same. Not even close. Should you use it when you tow if that's all the vehicle has? Absolutely. A true tow/haul mode does a lot more than that. It adjust shift patterns dramatically. This is up-shifting as well as shifting on the way down. It also will down shift to help with braking (i.e. transmission brake). It also does not lock out the highest gear like overdrive lock out does. If the conditions are appropriate (even when towing) why not let the transmission go into the highest gear for efficiency as well as cooling conditions?
@Fix_It_Again_Tony 2 роки тому
I agree completely. While not a dedicated "tow/haul" mode that is exactly what overdrive lockout is for.
@philtripe 2 роки тому
@@mnmvuk No... Tow Haul modes allow for over drive use
@jmax.6587 2 роки тому
@@philtripe tow haul modes wont let the transmission shift into over drive so you actually stay in a lower gear to stay in a good rpm range to achieve the power band of the motor, as well as it makes the shift point higher in rpms during gears to as i said before, stay in the power band. you are misinformed.
@joesprague1464 2 роки тому
FJ manual states not to tow in drive setting,should be in 4 gear
@jackylsmith8138 2 роки тому
I love it. We generally don’t tow this tiny trailer. I remember when they tried towing that tiny trailer with the Tesla Model X. They could drive 100 miles, charge for over an hour then drive for another 100 miles. Then they called in a Ram to to tow it.
@garykozy4364 2 роки тому
Just heard 2025 le man's will have fuel cell cars. People in le man's not impressed with bev's. That seems to be the general opinion of people in Europe. We will see. They maybe just trying to put shade on Tesla. But from what I have read Europe has a much more advanced hydrogen program than we have. Not just in fuel cells but home utilities etc.
@firstnamelastname9661 2 роки тому
🤣🤣🤣👍
@cjeam9199 2 роки тому
@@garykozy4364 nah, not really. Hydrogen isn’t going to take off here either. There’s way more effort on getting a standardised charging connector and a pan-European charging network is being rolled out. Le Mans is a special case anyway, they’re an endurance race doing huge mileage. Formula E is a pretty well established open wheel electric racing series, still different to formula 1 of course but comparable in terms of the event.
@cjeam9199 2 роки тому
@@garykozy4364 oh but for home utilities yes I imagine Europe might be further along with hydrogen because of how much we use gas for electric power plants and for space and water heating. But people remain extremely sceptical and there seems to be an acceptance it will still come second to electric. There was a study recently, I think on blue hydrogen, that it was worse for the environment than just burning gas, so it’s unlikely to play a huge role in mass utility replacement either.
@garykozy4364 2 роки тому
@@cjeam9199 Green Hydrogen is the perfect storage system for the offshore windmills. Such a system is being constructed off the shores of Denmark right now. Batteries have not been perfected in 2000 years. And there hasn't been any fantastic developments that would suggest there is a miracle discovery in our near future. Store the off shore electricity as hydrogen. Then use that hydrogen directly in vehicles . Trucking it to hydrogen filling stations. Or mix it with LNG and pipe it in exiting lines to business and residences. Separating the 2 gases at the point of use. Of course the larger the vehicle and the longer the required distance traveled, the greater the hydrogen performance. In existing residences and businesses use the LNG for heating cooking and water heating etc., separate out the hydrogen for use in your vehicle. In new construction build neighborhood gas separating plants. Install appropriate piping to deliver hydrogen directly to individuals residence. In this case all home requirements would be satisfied by hydrogen. There are a lots of uses for LNG. such as plastics.
@ripfletching 2 роки тому
Man I really like this new Bronco
@larrybe2900 2 роки тому
I don't know the rear gears compared to the F150 2.7 but a 5k PU hauls a s s.
@mitchaharden1 2 роки тому
I hope Ford makes a Bronco Powerboost. That would be one of the greatest overlanding/camping vehicle.
@omarrodrig 2 роки тому
Yes! No more generator in the camp site
@zelenizub2036 2 роки тому
And drop down payload below 800lb. This thing is street legal ATV nothing more and nothing less.
@alexs3187 2 роки тому
That would be cool, but it won’t be based on the 3.5, it will be a 2.3.
@gbaby4rb64 2 роки тому
Yeah Powerboost vs 4XE
@jeffreybalandra8891 2 роки тому
It won’t matter, in my opinion. Payload and and towing will decrease way more than now.
@deandesrosiers6857 2 роки тому
Tommy and Andre and showing more chemistry and this video has great flow. Fun to watch! Now I am late for work. I have a Wildtrak with the 2.7 and 10 speed. The Wildtrak has SPORT mode and it holds high gear going downhill so I assume it would do better. I have not towed yet but I have the factory tow kit. The 35’s are strangely solid when cornering. My hard top is not squeaking. The 10 speed is an amazing beast. It has a manual shift mode and I would be able to manage downhill shifts better. I guess now I have to do some math to get my proper tow rating lbs. thanks guts, amazing video as always.
@albertcountyboy327 2 роки тому
Yes! Thanks for making this video!
@anthonycolbourne4206 2 роки тому
Great to finally see a Bronco towing video. Exactly what I was waiting for. I was considering a Bronco, but oddly enough after so much delays, ended up buying a 4Runner mainly due to it's 5,000lb towing rating. The transmission on the Bronco looks like it works very well under those conditions. Better than the 4Runner or FJ Cruiser wildly shifting transmissions for sure. The power and torque on the Bronco are very good. Too bad there isn't a tow package to match the capability of the truck.
@Steven-xj2rf 2 роки тому
Agreed - I would love to see them come up with 6000lbs tow rating. Looks better than a Jeep Wrangler for towing.
@larrybe2900 2 роки тому
There will need to be an on demand suspension system to tow that heavy.
@dalejones4322 2 роки тому
I look forward to these great videos on Saturday morning. Sitting, drinking coffee, and watching tfl. Doesn't get much better. Thanks guys
@HaroldCombs 2 роки тому
Same. :)
@gwaddles 2 роки тому
Yep!
@robertyoung8289 2 роки тому
How bout watching it with a hot chick on top drinking a beer?
@X92Exploder 2 роки тому
@@robertyoung8289 yes sir, that’s better.
@Goodbarsix 2 роки тому
I love these IKEs!
@SuperBigman714 2 роки тому
Saturday mornings with TFL! 🙌
@timmypstyle 2 роки тому
I like the Andre and Tommy combination on these videos. You guys seem to keep it more interesting with solid info. Add Nathan in there too sometimes. Any combo of those 3 i think are the best.
@ToastedTostito 2 роки тому
Ford offers a hitch extender as an accessory for times like these. That might have helped with hitch visibility
@MrBoomer513 2 роки тому
Gotta say. Loving Tommy's attitude as of late. Excellent content.
@jebsdaddy141 2 роки тому
His dad, not so much.
@johngrodski4158 2 роки тому
You guys are so fun to watch that I'm not into towing but I still enjoy your video
@lukestoyz 2 роки тому
That same adapter that they used on the FJ is what I had installed on my FJ at Uhaul and wired to a standard brake controller. It wasn’t that expensive and was a simple job for them. I would have installed it myself but ran out of time for a trip.
@robertfoghis773 2 роки тому
Hey guys. I watch all your content and I truly appreciate your non biased reviews. I work for a Ford dealer and I appreciate the honesty. I'm wondering, maybe if you guys could do a video on the downhill portion, but manually shifting. How would that affect the downhill brake applications. Would be very interesting to see. Thank you and keep up the good work.
@TFLtruck 2 роки тому
Thanks for the kind words. FYI: We’ve done this in the past but then is becomes a test of the driver and not the vehicle.
@gogofastful 2 роки тому
@@TFLtruck It's a meaningless test because the transmission is designed to slow the vehicle in the mountains. Just using the brakes is dangerous.
@timlong1462 2 роки тому
Ya that’s what I immediately thought. Even when I’m not towing I put my automatic into 2nd or 3rd when going down passes. To me all the tow haul modes on cars are worthless, they are just holding a gear the same way. I guess it’s for people that don’t know this. This “brake over 50” test really only tests the software. Since the FJ doesn’t have that this shows nothing.
@timlong1462 2 роки тому
@@TFLtruck I think they meant manually selecting a gear in the auto, not manual trans. Should’ve put the FJ in 2nd or 3rd (whatever gear equates to about 50mph) since it doesn’t have a tow haul mode that does this for you. Anyone who knows how to tow safety would do this, so letting it coast in D isn’t really showing us anything except that gravity works.
@vdub5818 2 роки тому
Tommy, you'd be surprised. The cruisemaster hitches/couplings are really one of the best, if not the absolute best, offroad hitches in the world. We will be converting our overland trailer to the cruisemaster hitch/coupling in due time, but need to convert from hydraulic surge brakes to electric first. The articulation, strength, ease of hook up, lack of noise,, etc are all hard to beat.
@robertryan7204 2 роки тому
Cruismaster supply many Australian Caravan manufacturers
@vdub5818 2 роки тому
@@robertryan7204 yep, cruisemaster is Australian too. Unfortunately for us in the US we have only 1 distributor to go through.
@robertryan7204 2 роки тому
@@vdub5818 Hopefuly that will improve. Notice REDARC another Australian aftermarket company is making inroads in the US RV industry
@vdub5818 2 роки тому
@@robertryan7204 🤣 funny you say that. The electrical system I designed for the trailer utilizes a Redarc BCDC 1240. The Aussie's do overlanding like no other. Makes sense considering the continent they live on and the vast open areas inland.
@robertryan7204 2 роки тому
@@vdub5818 It RVing is going ballistic downunder many new manufacturers are coming onto the scene
@imjco1927 2 роки тому
And that is a great and fair battle!!
@carrdoug99 2 роки тому
Great job guys👍 I wonder if Ford will apply any of this information going forward? Namely shed some pounds, or introduce an overland addition with some modification to the suspension (increasing payload & towing).
@enz6312 2 роки тому
Andre, the 1980's called, they want their sun glasses back......great video...love the sin glasses👍👍👍
@kevinparks777 2 роки тому
I feel like the hard top bronco would have been fine with one piece of rubber weather stripping to remove the rattle
@Dan.mapp. 2 роки тому
exactly what I thought...or a piece of felt stuck between the panel till they're replaced
@iamnid 2 роки тому
I believe I read that the roofs have been recalled for those broncos -- maybe THAT fixes the sound?
@veganpotterthevegan 2 роки тому
@@iamnid That and the fact that it looks like a toddler glued carpeting on it. It looks incredibly cheap and poorly done
@Nathan_King 2 роки тому
I doubt any felt producers where interested in sponsoring their channel, so they went with plan B.
@deandesrosiers6857 2 роки тому
Agreed. The squeaks are simply a loose fit with plastic friction fit handles. Mine does not squeak at all and perhaps its climate. I have had my roof on and off a few times so it’s been “used”.
@thomasjohn8632 2 роки тому
I always enjoy when these 2 sit down and work together
@lukestoyz 2 роки тому
As an FJ cruiser owner on 35’s and having towed a trailer many times, I do not drive it like they do. I actually manually select 4th and leave it their on steep grades as to not let it keep trying to go into overdrive. It tows fine and has never had a problem. Also I went to Uhaul and had them wire in a brake controller .
@frh-freerangehuman 2 роки тому
**all 1970’s station wagons towing campers “hold my beer”
@unclebob7937 2 роки тому
Hells yes! Those old wagons with big blocks could tow as good or better than newer pickups. Remember the old accessory towing mirrors? Good times and cheap gas! 👍😎🏁
@1FiftyOverland 2 роки тому
@@unclebob7937 but using 3x more fuel
@unclebob7937 2 роки тому
@@1FiftyOverland I'm curious to see how the direct inj. Dual turbo's heads hold out over time and miles.
@1FiftyOverland 2 роки тому
@@unclebob7937 I have almost 116,000 miles on my 2015 2.7l f150. Loaded down for camping alot its holding up. We dont have hardly any failures of the 3.5 or 2.7l Ecobeasts
@johnlincicum6390 2 роки тому
@@1FiftyOverland nah, they'd be almost idling up the hill with a Ford 460 and a C6 transmission, and old Buick Electra 225 with a 455 and TH400 sure would too.
@gijoecam 2 роки тому
I really believe this type of 'downhill' towing test is really more a reflection of the wind resistance than any particular towing capability. Obviously those systems that will downshift to hold speed are different.
@slipknot2022000 2 роки тому
I like the on screen tow rating and payload rating. Nice add👍
@kaybar6225 Рік тому
My Badlands came with factory hitch and extended neck, plus it has both four and seven pin connections with a braking control system. Very heavy duty and practical setup. Went up Mt Washington with a 4,300 lb load, had no problems...
@fenceman53 2 роки тому
Take that same trailer up with the Russian 4x4 van for some comic relief
@brettb2718 2 роки тому
The new Bronco has an optional/accessory trailer brake controller you can choose when you order it. It is a Lumens brand and is a $340 option.
@markrivera8570 2 роки тому
where is that?
@brettb2718 2 роки тому
@@markrivera8570 They appear to have removed it.. However it is still listed in the Ford accessories catalog as part number VM2DZ2C006A.
@DeanJohnson67 2 роки тому
not sure when this was recorded but I was keeping an eye out in-case as I was on this exact route on 8/7 and again on 8/17 in the stock JT-R w/4klb travel trailer behind! definitely hunted gears a-lot in places on the uphills but did a great job downshifting on the downhills! Total 1/way trip length was 1100 miles avg was 9.5 mpg east to west and return west to east was 10.2 mpg.... don't know it's name but coming back from leadville theres a sharp u turn uphill that I couldn't hit 50mph on and was near redline!
@ahmedhishamdr8485 2 роки тому
Andre really really loves towing!!
@goomgoom5504 2 роки тому
Really great video! Andre and Tommy you two present really well together, probably the best combination of presenters at TFL.
@traceypup1810 2 роки тому
I’d like to see a benchmark of the number of brake applications for a vehicle not towing a trailer in normal mode going down the ike. I’d also like to see a car or two tested up it for fuel mileage to see how much it affects a car or truck that isn’t towing.
@TheRamGuy 2 роки тому
Not a bad idea
@sasquatchcrew 2 роки тому
Thats a good idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before! XD
@raionshishi8290 2 роки тому
If we were to do that does that mean the Bronco currently holds the benchmark in it's segment with only 9 ?
@JacopoSkydweller 2 роки тому
Do people not engine brake?
@gogofastful 2 роки тому
This is the dumbest part of the test. How does any vehicle know what speed to hold without cruise being set?
@oocombz 2 роки тому
Well since I have one of these on order it's good to know that I didn't get the hitch to delay it any longer. Lol 🤣 my family literally looked at me weird when I told them that I was going to keep my truck and have the bronco with getting rid of my commuter car. From what you guys have shown here I definitely need to keep my F-150 for when I tow.
@austinw7028 2 роки тому
You guys have had more exposure to the brand new territory m/ts than anyone probably, via your trx and bronco. I would love to hear your thoughts on these tires and how they compare to ko2s duratracs, etc. Saw the trl talk episode with the goodyear folks, but am interested to know your real world impressions. Keep up the awesome videos.
@johndeerefarmer4483 2 роки тому
Good video. Thanks. Ford does offer a trailer brake controller in the Build and Price. Look at the bottom under Accessories
@theseb1979 2 роки тому
Yup. Lumens brake controller $339 option
@ragnarocks9121 2 роки тому
I kept screeching and screeching at my TV that a controller can be had from the factory.
@devinbender8428 2 роки тому
No real point. No state requires a trailer brake unless your over 3500lb. All it would help with is saving your car brakes
@johndeerefarmer4483 2 роки тому
@@devinbender8428 It would help greatly in towing in the mountains like TFL does
@devinbender8428 2 роки тому
@@johndeerefarmer4483 most new cars have engine braking when going down hill. So unless you have to stop fast going down hill, it won’t make much of a difference. Just don’t drive like a maniac.
@pernell4351 2 роки тому
Like see how the manual transmission one will do.
@hudsrob4017 2 роки тому
I used an RF brake controller and it worked well.
@ckl8a 2 роки тому
I get that you drive them all in the same manner for consistency to compare different trucks, but especially in the case of the FJ, with no tow/haul mode, I would like to see another run where you do some manual shifting and see how it actually tows. if my truck's not going to grade shift for me, I'll pull it down a gear or two to save my brakes, and if it's constantly hunting for the right gear on the way up, I'll just put it in the right gear and leave it there. even for trucks with tow mode, it would be cool to see how well it works compared to the driver taking control
@Wheelman1966 2 роки тому
I pull a small box trailer (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) with my '99 Ford Ranger. In the mountains of central AZ we have grades similar to the Ike. Going downhill I just set the cruise control to 45 and pull it into 2nd gear. It will hold 45 down the entire grade. No brakes needed. No fancy tech. Been doing it for the past 15 years with the same truck, still runs like a top.
@joebleed 2 роки тому
Yea, i got to drive a 2020 ranger fx4 while on vacation in CO. if you don't set the cruse control, it seemed to happily accelerate down hill if you were in auto mode. you set the cruse and it would downshift more often trying to engine brake; but not great. using sport mode and manually shifting worked better.
@arnoldalexanderguzman8215 2 роки тому
We need to see the FJ at max towing now. 🙏🏻😊
@waqarawan1418 2 роки тому
Not made for towing - recon send both to trans aus trip. I am certain only only one will return lol :)
@danbris325 2 роки тому
Loved the episode
@nnns415 2 роки тому
Great video. S=D/T, S=60 (maintaining), D=Fixed, So T will always be around 8 mins.
@joezephyr 2 роки тому
The reason for the Ford towing restrictions at altitude is simple. If the transmission burns out Ford will say you failed to follow the manual therefore it is not covered under warranty.
@ALMX5DP 2 роки тому
I dont think that's at all, given any dealer visit or warranty work would likely occur without much investigation into what weights were towed or what specific altitudes they were towed at. The restrictions are a bit sneeky, but many such restrictions exist regardless of model or brand.
@gratedbacon0935 2 роки тому
@@ALMX5DP that’s not true, especially with ford. they look into everything. some brands are like that but yeah
@ALMX5DP 2 роки тому
@@gratedbacon0935 it’s written as just a note, separate from warnings just before in the owners manual. "Your vehicle could have reduced performance when operating at high altitudes and when heavily loaded or towing a trailer. When driving at elevation, to match driving performance as perceived at sea level, reduce gross vehicle weight and gross combination weight by 2% per 1,000 ft (300 m) elevation." So it's not a restriction at all, just telling an owner that their experience towing at higher elevations wont match what they might be accustomed to at sea level.
@J-W.- 2 роки тому
Atleast with extended warranties we handle we use to ask excessive towing but recently dropped it. If vehicle didn't come into the shop with trailer noway we can ever prove that.
@levicharles996 2 роки тому
I thank you guys for exposing that tow rating in relation to the elevation. I feel like in all these years they have never said anything about tow rating as you go up in elevation.
@chriswilson433 2 роки тому
I find it a little suspicious that the only places it is listed is on digital towing guides…over-the-air updates anyone?
@socalson7492 2 роки тому
It’s just a CYA feature. Ford just doesn’t want to be sued. Chances are you’ll be absolutely fine towing the max weight over any elevation.
@mattbrew11 2 роки тому
@@socalson7492 at 245 oil temp im not sure the 3500 max rating is safe at least on the ike gauntlet of about 6 passes in arizona ive crossed, especially between may and September
@IrocZIV 2 роки тому
It's really just a matter of physics. They could also say you'd get better towing performance below sea level. All cars are going to have performance differences based on the amount of O2 available.
@ebnhahn1993 2 роки тому
Exposing!!??. THis theory applies to every AUTOMAKER Trucks!!!. FORD just happen to be the ONLY one who chooses to mention!. Regardless of this Disclaimer, FORD Trucks Trumped the RAM, GMC and Chevy when they were tested by TFL up the IKE and close to the MAX tow ratings!!.
@morrisonjohnw 2 роки тому
I’m always impressed with our 4Runner on that pass. The downhill speed limit is around 90mph for summit county locals though…just watch out for that one heaved section in the second to last right turn.
@robm3357 2 роки тому
Interesting video guys Thks
@michaelstringer1840 2 роки тому
I'm curious how the manual with the 2.3 would be towing.
@philtripe 2 роки тому
fine for around town or a short camp trip... Highway is a different story
@douglas685 2 роки тому
@@philtripe Eh I disagree. 3500lbs isn't much and the 2.3l has 325lbft of torque with 91 octane. Probably plop it in 4th at around 3500rpm where the turbo really starts producing and cruise up whatever hill you're climbing.
@redhotstanger 2 роки тому
I have a 2017 Ford Transit T150 Ecoboost, in cruise control, it will grade shift and hold speed, I wonder if the Bronco would do the same with cruise control on?
@garys2157 2 роки тому
Is it the 3.5 with the ten speed?
@redhotstanger 2 роки тому
@@garys2157 its not, its the 6 speed.
@khmanandy 2 роки тому
I had a the 6 speed manual all wheel drive Fj Cruiser and if I remember correctly I did not have to search for gears to maintain power that often and I carried a heavier off road trailer.
@OG-SoaringFalcon День тому
FYI, the 2024 Bronco is prewired for both the hitch (7 and 4 pin onnector) and the TBC. It was a nice surprise when we took delivery of it. The hitch kit is $300 and the TBC is $350, the tow module in the hitch kit does need to be activated by the dealer or via Forscan!
@mattward330 2 роки тому
Man I think stage 3 turbos and tuning getting the 2.7 up to about 500hp will make the Bronco so much fun to drive. I hope you guys do it!
@caspforge 2 роки тому
That would be cool. I dont think they will do that. They never modify their cars to that extent but would be cool if they did
@Kcal556 2 роки тому
Nothing available to tune the 21’ eco boost motors. (Sucks because I wanted to add to my 21’ 3.5 F150) The new ecm can’t be cracked as the encryption key is apparently to good now. If you want aftermarket tune your going to be waiting a bit longer.
@mattward330 2 роки тому
@@Kcal556 i mean yes but it will be figured out eventually or it'll come to an ecm swap.
@johnpeters9793 2 роки тому
@T-boe the first You do realize the original broncos were 6 cylinders...not to mention the full size bronco also was available with the I6. Please don't look up the original corvette power train....it'll make your head explode.
@HAHA.GoodMeme 2 роки тому
@T-boe the first the ecoboost makes more power especially at elevation....
@brianmccarthy8215 2 роки тому
I’m surprised you guys didn’t use a scanguage to monitor the other temps on the fj
@stout_tossme7541 2 роки тому
I tow with my 5th gen 4 runner. It shifts down when going downhill and holds the speed pretty good. But I use cruise. Maybe that is it. My 4 runner does shift a bit holding speed. I only tow 3500 to 4k (the most I have towed).
@anthonyc1883 2 роки тому
Andrey rockin' new shades!
@rerod650 2 роки тому
@tfltruck back with the 80s and 90s trucks before “tow/haul” button it was standard practice to always tow locking out the overdrive. Does the manual of these two newer vehicles but no tow/haul say anything similar or do they recommend towing in overdrive?
@ToyotaNutjob 2 роки тому
Good question
@ryanmartinage 2 роки тому
Many vehicles do recommend to put it in a certain arrangement for towing. My tundra I believe is supposed to be put in s4
@MrLuisinho90 2 роки тому
Toyota recommends to lock out of overdrive on the FJ Cruiser while towing, so I believe this recommendation in vehicles w/o tow-haul mode remains true
@devinbender8428 2 роки тому
Locking out O/D wouldn’t help the 2/3 3/4 shifting.
@wat3rdog25 2 роки тому
Come on Ford, absolutely NEED a tow haul mode. No pickup bed means towing a trailer for hauling stuff around town at the very least. I will definitely be pulling my off road camper. Sure hope Ford is paying attention to this test and future customers. Love that the FJ is the benchmark as I’m looking to add the Bronco to my Toyota family of vehicles.
@jabroni6199 2 роки тому
Just use sport mode. It has nearly the same shift characteristics. Not as good as a dedicated tow/haul mode but a whole lot better than normal mode.
@wat3rdog25 2 роки тому
@@jabroni6199 great to know. Thanks.
@Shadow_Wolf_190 2 роки тому
You want to add a Bronco what Toyota models do you have?
@wat3rdog25 2 роки тому
@@Shadow_Wolf_190 16Tundra and an 18 Sequoia both with the 5.7. Love em both.
@drew79s 2 роки тому
On the Ford Ranger the trailer mode and shifting pattern as well as trailer sway control are triggered by plugging in a trailer... You should have a look into whether a redarc controller will work, they're the standard fit heavy duty controller in Australia.
@Malc664 2 роки тому
Welcome to the towing world Tommy, now you know of the Drop On 3.5 tonne hitch. DO35 has been the pick for towing offroad.
@jh77sly 2 роки тому
Now I wonder what my 93 Crown Victoria would rate on the Ike. It's rated at 4000/5000 towing (without/with weight distributing hitch).
@nickknee3515 2 роки тому
Them Crown Vicks are beast, with that V8 I'm sure can tow the moon.
@jh77sly 2 роки тому
Stopping it is the key though. I know it can pull it. But I wanna know if it'll stop it.
@nickknee3515 2 роки тому
@@jh77sly If it still has drum brakes all around I would alittle worried.
@jh77sly 2 роки тому
4 wheel disc, but front vented and rear solid.
@wheelerk2012 2 роки тому
Nice! Now when are you taking the Bronco to MOAB?
@stephenp8644 2 роки тому
I think the key phrase that most people miss is "If you want to get sea level performance you need to decrease trailer weight by two percent for every 1000 feet of elevation". For everyone who has trailer towing knowledge and experience knows you will not get the same performance towing uphill that you would get on flat land at sea level. Did you hear the comment about the commercial trucks traveling at 25-30 MPH going uphill? Whatever towing capacity your vehicle is rated at it will tow in the mountains as well as at sea level... just not as fast. Also the "tow/haul" mode originally disabled the overdrive in the transmission for the purpose of towing in the mountains without burning up the transmission constantly jumping in and out of overdrive. If you don't have a "tow/haul" button, just shift out of overdrive to regular drive (NEVER neutral!). Good review guys!
@matt2735 2 роки тому
You need to do an unloaded (base) vs loaded for these tests.
@dcl97 2 роки тому
The tow rating on the Bronco is limited by the trailer sway response max damping ratio according to modern SAE J2807 testing standards. In other words the soft suspension compresses too much in a trailer sway condition. If it was released 10 years ago it would easily have a 5,000lb + tow rating.
@joreldavis4069 2 роки тому
4Runner TRD Pro can pull 5,000 times with off road suspension and Toyota use SAE J2807.
@dcl97 2 роки тому
@@joreldavis4069 A Badlands Bronco has an RTI of 700 (according to Ford), a Wrangler Rubicon has an RTI of 693. The 4runner is a mere 420. Not really a comparable vehicle to the others as far as suspension travel is concerned.
@joreldavis4069 2 роки тому
@@dcl97 does SAE J2807 consider RTI in their score rating?
@motoxrich1 2 роки тому
@@joreldavis4069 No, but I think you're missing his point.
@JohnSmith-zi9or 2 роки тому
@@joreldavis4069 The Toyota also needs a sway control device when towing over 2,000lbs. Same problem.
@nateroberts235 2 роки тому
The FJ doesn't have a "tow/haul" mode, but Toyota also says you shouldn't tow in overdrive, so the downhill run should've been done in 4th gear which would've added a little engine braking.
@SouthDFWrep Рік тому
The bronco doesn’t have a tow/haul mode either
@ryanfillmore 2 роки тому
Great video, but that soft top allows for too much road noise. Really looking forward to watching tow tests on the non-sasquatch Bronco's.
@jasonreed7642 2 роки тому
my Outer Banks has a tow mode on it. It came factory with the hitch system.
@bradenstuart4074 2 роки тому
Let’s see 4 Runner TRD Pro vs Bronco vs Wrangler rubicon!
@dirtbagliberalsnake5729 2 роки тому
392 wrangler
@davidhillbrand2302 2 роки тому
Realizing that the FJ does not have a tow/haul mode, you should use manual shifting. The driver should know how and when to intervene.
@rickyjohnson1034 2 роки тому
in the real world. Just slow to about 50 Mph and use fourth and just climb.
@heathwirt8919 2 роки тому
@@rickyjohnson1034 Correct, the driver must find the speed and gear that the vehicle can maintain without over stressing the engine, transmission, brakes and cooling system. Taking a few more minutes to get to the top is not going to make a difference.
@markbroad119 2 роки тому
I did have a 30' horse trailer which was a 4 pin connection. However if you splice the brake wire into the brake lights it will work with your tow brake controller.
@marnielarocque9412 2 роки тому
Hello TFL from B.C Canada. Just a thought about the noise made by the hard top for the Bronco, A friend of mine in 1991ish had a Dodge 3/4 ton diesel and his truck made a sound just like the New Bronco and it was not really a rattle but a snapping sort of squeak. The plastic on the "A" pillars would make that rattling sound in the summer because the plastic was effected by the heat and would expand and come loose, and so had to bet tightened, and in the winter the owners had to loosen the screws that held the plastic or the plastics would crack. So tighten in the summer and loosen in the winter. I think the plastics used for the hard top is doing this, but the roof panels clamp on so you can`t loosen and tighten the top. If i had a Bronco that made this noise i would bond a very thin cloth on the panels that would get clamped and separated the 2 plastic sufaces.
@aguywithajeep 2 роки тому
Our outer banks model has a 7 and 4 pin connector and factory hitch. Just picked it up from the dealer last week.
@028943182 2 роки тому
But they made it sound like such a big deal.
@vdub5818 2 роки тому
First editions did not get tow package
@vdub5818 2 роки тому
@@028943182id imagine it's much like with the wrangler. Taking a non tow package wrangler and installing the tow package afterwards is a pain. To do it properly involves lots of wiring harness work, which basically requires full interior disassembly, and the BCM must be coded for it to function properly. Not a huge deal but it isn't a quick bolt/plug in installation.
@DuaneCaldwell 2 роки тому
Nice video guys! Interesting that Ford doesn't have 7-pin connectors yet. I like those Boreas campers. I think TFLOffroad needs to do a comparison with different models of "offroad" trailers. I'd love to see the reality of living with pulling one of those campers in a true overland mode. You guys do that kind of thing the best.
@devinbender8428 2 роки тому
Don’t need 7 pin for a >3500lb trailer.
@DuaneCaldwell 2 роки тому
@@devinbender8428 don't need Sirius/XM radio, power windows, USB ports, leather power adjustable seats, or AC, but Ford puts them in anyway because people want them and are willing to pay for them.
@tfwoodcraft 2 роки тому
What trans temp should you pull over and give it a cooldown break? My Gladiator was getting up to like 217 or so going over cameron pass with a trailer.
@146348 2 роки тому
So where’s the Bronco vs Jeep towing (comparison) video?
@JustinKingOffroad 2 роки тому
andre has the same cold I had a week ago lol! i sounded exactly the same.
@wade7959 2 роки тому
You sounded like a Russian with a Buhanka! 😜
@rzu7120 2 роки тому
Did you gain some payload capacity with what I assume is a lighter top?
@000Virtual 2 роки тому
Bronco vs Wrangler Rubicon vs 4 Runner TRD Pro. Love the new look of the Bronco and think it might be best to wait to fix a few problems they have. Guy up the road just hit 550,000 miles on his 4 Runner and he is not easy on it. Wish I would have got one of those Toyota YJ's but have no room inside of them. They go for a fortune now and last maybe long like the 4runner.
@WW-wf8tu 2 роки тому
Very interesting test. And new information about the nuances of the Bronco. Strange the gearing indicator disappears so you do not know what gear you are in. Very loud experience with the rag top. Get over the Buhanka bug soon Andre. lol
@valet132011 2 роки тому
I love the new bronco...just wish it could tow alil more.
@michaelfoulkes9502 2 роки тому
3500 lbs is pretty weak.
@douglas685 2 роки тому
I do love though that it kept the 3500lb for the 2 door with manual transmission and 2.3l. That's a huge plus for me as that's exactly what I'm ordering. I feel like 3500lb for the 4 door with 2.7l is weak sauce though. Especially considering the bronco is supposed to be a truck replacement/alternative. I feel like they should offer a max tow pack with 5,000 limit, even if it means things like tightening up the rear suspension on that package and beefier F150 cooling.
@richcreager7877 Рік тому
Those tow numbers are way less than what it's capable of towing. I have a Sasquatch and have had 5000 on it and never had a problem. Now I wouldn't try IKE Gaunlet with that much but here in Missouri piece of cake
@twagn 2 роки тому
Bronco rig is my dream rig
@timlong1462 2 роки тому
You should get an OBD II scan tool to see trans and oil temps on vehicles that don’t have display options for that. I bet the FJ was up there on the trans temp with all that shifting. Would probably be just fine if you manually selected a proper gear though.
@TerryOffDairy 2 роки тому
I wonder if Ford is still working on the Bronco Warthog, and what engine it’ll have
@FATDADDYSACK 2 роки тому
What people have Said so far is it will have the 3.0 eco boost, low 400s hp and high 400 ft lbs of torque
@aws2468 2 роки тому
@@FATDADDYSACK What doesn't make sense that Jeep slapped a 392 into the wrangler. Just a rumor but if ford is gonna compete, it would be powered by the st 3.0 EB or the 5.0 since they both make the same power
@jimmyspencer4019 2 роки тому
Can't believe u had to get that 4 pin to a 7 custom made. I had a 2007 canyon a few years back with a 4 pin and went to farm and fleet and bought a 4 to a 7 pin.
@fritty9927 2 роки тому
Likewise
@dobermanracing 2 роки тому
Uhaul even sell them for like $25
@jabroni6199 2 роки тому
They’re all over Amazon too
@gerardor1702 2 роки тому
Autozone sells them
@jmanlinc 2 роки тому
I can make one for $10 cad in 30 min including the time to drive to princess auto and by the parts. But realistically I just convert any 4 pin to 7 pin permanently
@troutriver58 Рік тому
great test. would love to see the Wrangler Rubicon diesel under the exact same test. My guess is it would overheat but I could be wrong.
@Tony-hf9mv 2 роки тому
Would be a good setup to test the new Santa Cruz if you get one to test. Very curious how the DCT will perform towing up a mountain
@walterlynch4820 2 роки тому
Great video. At 7.8 mpg, the 2D Bronco with the 16.9 gallon tank will have to be refueled about every 100 miles (assuming refuel at 1/4 tank).
@Sir...... 2 роки тому
youre not climbing an ike gauntlet the whole trip.....
@mikehub6664 2 роки тому
@@Sir...... towing my 6k travel trailer at 65mph netted a 10.9mpg avg for me. I had a 200mi range avg on my 2010 pathfinder. Seems like a reasonable expectation when towing near the max capacity. It’s about the same for a 9k trailer on a v8 f150.
@brly4542 2 роки тому
I wish I knew what Ford did to the 2.7 in the Bronco, cause it's seems very asthmatic compared to the same engine in the f150. Let it breath Ford!
@socalson7492 2 роки тому
In what way? It’s got twin turbos ramming air down its gullet.
@vincefairleigh6899 2 роки тому
I don’t know why Ford didn’t put the 3.5L in it…
@raionshishi8290 2 роки тому
I don't see how this is the case, where did you get this notion ?
@brly4542 2 роки тому
@@raionshishi8290 I've driven both and considering the f150 is heavier it's much faster and has a lot more grunt off the line, and the F150 was a 2015 with a 6 speed
@brechtvancauwenberghe9440 2 роки тому
Can you make a video between the 2.3l and the 2.7l on road and off road.
@christianglaude6659 2 роки тому
Lol For a second, thought I was watching "Off the Ranch"
@ALMX5DP 2 роки тому
Looks like that 10k ft thing is just a note to tell owners that their truck wont perform the same at altitude, not to restrict towing to save any component or overheating. From 2021 F-150 owner's manual. "Your vehicle could have reduced performance when operating at high altitudes and when heavily loaded or towing a trailer. When driving at elevation, to match driving performance as perceived at sea level, reduce gross vehicle weight and gross combination weight by 2% per 1,000 ft (300 m) elevation."
@wade7959 2 роки тому
Thanks for the comment. That makes it more clear.
@chrisb5986 2 роки тому
The 2.7 with the 10-speed tows very well in my F-150. I would love one of those Broncos. The FJ is rubbish for towing.
@joesprague1464 2 роки тому
Should I ditch the FJ and my off road trailer that I tow behind it? Does anyone want this rubbish? 2014 FJ trd with 2015 off road trailer.
@earl60446 2 роки тому
@@joesprague1464 In my area, a 2014 FJ has a asking price of about$33k to $36K. So yes, a lot of people want a FJ. 6 months ago those prices were lower.
@joesprague1464 2 роки тому
@@earl60446 Perhaps then I'll suffer through a few more years of ownership of the fj that "tows like rubbish".It has 60k miles on it and has been dealer maintained.I have maint records also.Altho I wouldn't feel honest dumping it on someone else.
@earl60446 2 роки тому
@@joesprague1464 Always thinking of your fellow man.
@fritty9927 2 роки тому
@@joesprague1464 love the sarcasm 😄
@lawrencemitelberg5367 2 роки тому
When going down the hill can you put the car in sport mode for the engine to sit at higher rpm, or is it a must for the car to be in tow mode?
@octavianparvu8304 2 роки тому
Hello. Guys regarding the break applications...why don't you guys use cruiser control set to 60 coming down the hill and see how the transmission/engine is working. In my 2021 Silverado 1500 with the 3L diesel....coming down a 8% grade with a 7000lbs trailer I never use the brakes....the engine breaking + exhaust brake works great but it needs to be in Cruiser Control. So why aren't you guys do the downhill tests with the cruise control on ? Thx. Keep up the good work
@tman1129 2 роки тому
Great video! You can get a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter at Walmart...
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