The Obscure Law that Killed U.S. Maritime Shipping

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@UnnTHPS
@UnnTHPS 11 місяців тому
At an economics class prof told me that the US is simultaneously overregulated and unregulated
@taiwanisacountry
@taiwanisacountry 11 місяців тому
That is a really interesting topic, rather it so social or state regulation. I am writing about that topic for my thesis, but it is social regulation. Elders in Korea is overregulated and under regulated. This leads to suicide. Do this does not seem like overregulation it seems like protectionism that is so bad that it handicaps yourself and pushes people to seek alternatives rather than to go through the costs.
@BrendanGeormer
@BrendanGeormer 11 місяців тому
Interestingly poetic given the fragmented nature of a federal republic.
@ieaatclams
@ieaatclams 11 місяців тому
Schrodinger's regulation
@KleinOfficial
@KleinOfficial 11 місяців тому
overprotective against foreign threats and underprotected from themselves
@mikip3242
@mikip3242 11 місяців тому
In Spain we call It privatizing the benefits - socializing the losses
@b127_1
@b127_1 11 місяців тому
US crews and safety standards are so much more important that having the ship be US built. If they allowed Korea, Japan and EU, then there would be so many more US flagged vessels and US citizens working on them. This one change would result in many more American jobs in shipping. Why hasn't this been done yet??? It seems so dumb to me.
@denysnov6250
@denysnov6250 11 місяців тому
Man there isn’t enough people for the current ships 😂 fym
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 11 місяців тому
The issue is that China, Korea and Japan build 95% of the world's ships and China alone builds 47%. They are attempting to run China put of business. The EU builds barely very little.
@Croz89
@Croz89 11 місяців тому
@@wgowshipping The EU mostly focuses on cruise ships nowadays.
@obelic71
@obelic71 11 місяців тому
@@Croz89 and special ships like dredgers, dive support, offshore construction ships.
@MCArt25
@MCArt25 11 місяців тому
Because the only people who care enough to lobby politicians are the freight companies who benefit from it
@hughgray158
@hughgray158 11 місяців тому
The jones act is a great case study for the broader us political and economic system. There are hundreds of clauses in laws passed through the decades that have very small negative impacts on America, but benefit specific industries or groups greatly. Which is why they exist the companies that benefit will fight hard to keep these laws while the average American doesn’t even know they exist.
@alexanderchenf1
@alexanderchenf1 11 місяців тому
If you think Jones Act has very small negative impact, you seriously need to study more
@Untitled-ih8qy
@Untitled-ih8qy 11 місяців тому
Today, most primary defenders of the Jones act are unions groups who work on constructing and operating those 100 ships...
@Dave_Sisson
@Dave_Sisson 11 місяців тому
I've always thought that the United States was captured by lobby groups, which is why it's much less efficient than other first world countries in areas like shipping, health, etc. Even things like copyright (the Mickey Mouse Life Extension Act), have been absurdly influenced by politicians who rely on the lobby groups for funding. The 'robber barons' of a century ago are now huge companies, but they still distort the economy in a similar way. The only way to fix it would to be properly restrict political donations as other first world, English speaking countries do (Australia, Britain, etc.). But we all know that the lobby groups are so powerful they would never allow that to happen.
@UserNameAnonymous
@UserNameAnonymous 11 місяців тому
​@@alexanderchenf1 - the impact is distributed across the population. On a per-person basis, it's very small compared to the impact it has on those working in the industry. Worse for the country as a whole, but better for a few.
@alexanderchenf1
@alexanderchenf1 11 місяців тому
@@UserNameAnonymous Merchants especially franchise merchants have national standard prices. They have to adjust their national standard prices across the board in order to compensate regional price hike due to truck transportation. If Jones Act is repealed, much of the truck transportation is replaced by much cheaper domestic maritime transport, then we can expect those national standard prices to drop substantially. For example, if a lock sold by Home Depot is $10 a piece nationwide, after the repeal, it could be lowered to $8 a piece.
@ArchOfWinter
@ArchOfWinter 11 місяців тому
The Jones act also caused a lot of trouble for Puerto Rica after a hurricane a few years ago. There weren't Jones act compliant ships ready to ship emergency relief materials. It slowed down recovery and later rebuilding. There were foreign ships nearby ready to ship aid to them too and Puerto Rican was begging Congress to let them through.
@ieaatclams
@ieaatclams 11 місяців тому
Hello fellow John stossel viewer
@ArchOfWinter
@ArchOfWinter 11 місяців тому
@@ieaatclams I haven't watch John Stossel since the early 2000s when he was still on ABC and the hurricane I was referring to was very recent.
@who2u333
@who2u333 11 місяців тому
The problem with your example is that Puerto Rico neither had, nor has a problem with fuel at their ports. There was an issue getting that fuel into the interior of the country, but ships can't really help with that. This was especially true last Sept. when a BP chartered tanker was sent from Houston to Puerto Rico without the standard notification and knowing full well that this was a Jones Act trip. They then complained, very publicly, that the Jones Act was preventing them from delivering the fuel. What didn't make those "news" stories, was that a tanker loaded with fuel IN PUERTO RICO was departing to Jamaica (I think) to deliver fuel. Those two tankers passed each other. Although I like Stossel, that episode was just another in a recent spate of public anti-Jones Act propaganda directed by those that would see American ships, shipyards, and sailors be eliminated in the pursuit of greater profit. This would be at the cost of American security and jobs. Who benefits besides shipping companies? China for the most part. They are the largest shipbuilders in the world now and are taking marketshare from S. Korea and Japan. The US no longer even registers. So, the Jones Act needs updating no doubt. It is around 100yrs old, but removing it would leave the US very vulnerable and eliminate jobs and an industry at a time when US ships and sailors may well be needed as 'challenges' in the Pacific rise. Don't be fooled by corporate propaganda. And if you are actually interested in the shipping industry, the channel "What's Going On with Shipping" would be a better source.
@hisownfool1
@hisownfool1 11 місяців тому
it is estimated that the Act costs the average Puerto Rican family more than $1000 a year in added cost of living.
@ivankosyuk1899
@ivankosyuk1899 11 місяців тому
@@who2u333 who it benefits? Oh, I don’t know, maybe tons of US businesses that suddenly can much easier operate within their country, source and sell domestically? Just because US shop makers are bas at their business does not mean everyone else in the US has to suffer
@ToddStafford
@ToddStafford 11 місяців тому
As an Alaskan, there’s nothing obscure about the Jones Act or the Passenger Vessel Service Act.
@TheCoyote808
@TheCoyote808 11 місяців тому
As somebody from Hawai'i, this is a true statement. Honestly, just requiring the vessel to be owned, crewed, and flagged in America should be enough. And it would make Guam, Hawai'i, and Alaska major economic advantages for the US in transpacific trade that would greatly benefit their economies. Not to mention reducing costs of goods for the above and Puerto Rico.
@zaco-km3su
@zaco-km3su 11 місяців тому
@@TheCoyote808 No. You will have to allow foreign crews to some degree. You will also have to have a certain amount of ships built in the US.
@yopyop3241
@yopyop3241 11 місяців тому
@@zaco-km3su The need for American crews is not a significant hindrance because of the ratio of crew members to the amount of cargo. Think about how many containers you can pack onto a modern container ship. A giant container ship only needs a crew of a dozen or so people. Contrast that with how many truck drivers you would need to move those containers via highway. The cost of American crews adds mere pennies per ton of cargo per day. The inherent cost efficiency of water-based transport vs land-based transport swamps out the effect of those more expensive crews. The Jones Act’s real hurdle is the need for American-built vessels.
@chucklebutt4470
@chucklebutt4470 11 місяців тому
As a fellow Alaskan.. sup from the Mat-Su Valley :D
@harrisontiffany4258
@harrisontiffany4258 11 місяців тому
As a fisherman in Bristol Bay, AK it is crazy to see our salmon headed and gutted, shipped to china, filleted, and then shipped back to the US. along the way tons of Russian fish are mixed into the stock, the fillet quality is denigrated, and tons of time on a perishable product is added since it's so hard to ship it directly to Seattle
@GopiKrishna7
@GopiKrishna7 11 місяців тому
The Jones Act seems like great example of protectionism gone wrong. Can we even get more restrictive than built, crewed, owned & flagged by Americans. Usually such non-sensical laws happen when incumbent interests carve laws suiting them via lobbying.
@necromancer2367
@necromancer2367 11 місяців тому
Feel like a lot of the pushback may come from trucking companies or the auto industry in general who would see their sales and profits go down when more products get shipped instead of driven
@poetryflynn3712
@poetryflynn3712 11 місяців тому
The main argument and reason the Jones act was written was to protect US security. The economy wasn't really in mind, and at the time - WW1 - you had a consistent issue of foreign powers coming to American shores arbitrarily, notably Germans.
@dirtcrazykid9674
@dirtcrazykid9674 11 місяців тому
"protectionism gone wrong" implies that protectionism can ever go right, which it can't
@RK-cj4oc
@RK-cj4oc 11 місяців тому
​@@dirtcrazykid9674It can. Japanese protectionism allowed their early factories and machine founderies to face less competition while they learned and grew from local profits. Untill they could focus on exports abroad while facing almost no challenge at home. It very much is the cause why japan could grow its famous brands.
@asiblingproduction
@asiblingproduction 11 місяців тому
@@dirtcrazykid9674 well never say never, if Taiwan didn’t protect its industries then China could’ve infiltrated it without a shot fired. Complete non-protectionism works only in a world with absolute security.
@mattbenz99
@mattbenz99 11 місяців тому
As someone who ships containers full of goods internationally for their job, it is noticeable that America has a different way of shipping things. When I am dealing with India, it isn't uncommon for my containers to be shipped by sea from a small port near the factory to a larger port in a major city, and then moved onto a larger container ship for long distance ocean travel. This is not possible in America. In America, if I need a good moved from one area to another, then I need to book railway space or a trucker. This isn't a large inconvenience, but it is definitely one. It just makes the process different when moving cargo around America than other country. It definitely is also an additional cost, that much is obvious. It is just impossible for me to know how much extra I am paying in the American market for domestic railway instead domestic ocean freight. I simply have no one who could give me a quote on the difference because no one can offer a service that doesn't exist.
@weirdoze
@weirdoze 11 місяців тому
you ship goods from India to America? Can yoy tell me more about your job plz (bcz I am intrested in learning about jobs so that I can choose one and go in that field)
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn 11 місяців тому
@@weirdoze Just look up jobs in the merchant navy.
@weirdoze
@weirdoze 11 місяців тому
@@ArawnOfAnnwn I think he works in commercial shipping not in merchant Navy.
@rednecktek2873
@rednecktek2873 11 місяців тому
@@weirdoze Merchant Navy is the fancy title for commercial shipping, like a janitor nowadays is a "Sanitation Engineer".
@bluemystic5980
@bluemystic5980 11 місяців тому
@@rednecktek2873 you are goddamm right
@IndigenousHistoryNow
@IndigenousHistoryNow 11 місяців тому
It makes life so much more expensive in Hawaii because it triples transportation costs. 90% of food has to be imported, construction materials are imported, etc. All of that subject to this arcane law.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
You have cows on the island to supply beef. Funny, the video producer somehow thought they ship that beef to the mainland.
@infidelheretic923
@infidelheretic923 11 місяців тому
At that point it becomes cheaper just to import from outside the US
@couttsw
@couttsw 11 місяців тому
I would have thought an indigenous Hawaiian would be of the ilk, buy Hawaiian. I am not Hawaiian, yet I think given the opportunity you should push the Americans back into the ocean and free Mauna Kea back to Pele. Maybe not so indigenous, but more American than Hawaiian.
@Pantsinabucket
@Pantsinabucket 10 місяців тому
@@couttswso quit the white savior shit ya bum. He’s complaining about a current issue, not a long-term one. And Hawaii couldn’t sustain itself economically without the massive amount of American investment and tourism, just look at the rest of the pacific islands. You’ll see the only ones that aren’t dirt poor are colonies.
@lachlanmc2335
@lachlanmc2335 10 місяців тому
​@@nobodyspecial4702bruh
@edwardblair4096
@edwardblair4096 11 місяців тому
I remember learning about the Jones Act in the aftermath of the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico 6 or 7 years ago. The Jones act made it difficult to bring in emergency relief supplies from mainland USA. If I remember correctly, they temporarily suspended the Jones Act for awhile, but then allowed it to be reinstated.
@LibertyMonk
@LibertyMonk 11 місяців тому
Suspending an Act of Congress for an emergency is within reason. Failing to allow the emergency to end, and thereby unilaterally undoing an Act of Congress without a countermanding Act, or Judicial Review declaring the Act illegal, is how you get dictators.
@jn98555
@jn98555 10 місяців тому
The PR thing was BS. I was there on a jones act vessel. My company increased the amount of vessels going there. I also saw a ton of non american ships there
@anthonymort5202
@anthonymort5202 8 місяців тому
Oh shit I guess that's when most of us learned about it
@itsdanielmac
@itsdanielmac 11 місяців тому
Lobbying this the biggest problem in America
@mrwinterhd5202
@mrwinterhd5202 11 місяців тому
yes im from germany an there is the same problem, lobbying is just a other word for corurption
@TwinTurboOnly
@TwinTurboOnly 11 місяців тому
It happens everywhere. You’re absolutely right.
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 11 місяців тому
Lobbying is basically legal bribery. A company can basically pay a senator to write a law for them. It completely goes against the concept of "Government of the people, by the people, for the people". Of course lawmakers are never gonna remove a law that lines up their pockets, so lobbying will stay legal forever.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 11 місяців тому
Call it what it is - bribery.
@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc
@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc 11 місяців тому
By rights, it should be actively outlawed. But messing about with democracy is embedded in murica. Look at today -2023 - communism just around the corner.
@MrBrassporkchop
@MrBrassporkchop 11 місяців тому
I remember a few years ago there was a really bad winter on the east coast. And they couldn't get salt for the roads even though large stockpiles existed only a few hundered miles away. And the Jones Act had something to do with the fact that they couldn't just ship all that salt and they had to wait longer for other salt.
@Trump985
@Trump985 10 місяців тому
The problem is they didn’t want to pay! There are lots of tugs and barges to move cargo like salt up and down the east coast. There is someone in every harbor on the east coast that would have taken the job. But we have to get paid a decent wage for this kind of work it’s hard, dangerous, and skilled work. Whoever was trying to move the salt was trying to screw us American merchant mariners out of work and had foreign ships bring salt from overseas to screw a fellow American. Next time you buy a car or any other product think of this! Or maybe you don’t care (that is until you are out of work because your profession gets offshored). Ever time you purchase a foreign product or hire a foreign service your putting a fellow American out of business and costing people jobs. We’re not talking about a minimum wage job either but a good paying middle class job!
@jean-louistychon3340
@jean-louistychon3340 11 місяців тому
I work in offshore wind installation. The Jones Act is also what prevent the US from having any offshore wind parks. The first ones will be built soon but can only be installed near canada’s coast with some loopholes because there are not any American ship capable of doing the work needed to install offshore wind.
@CalifornianSupremacy
@CalifornianSupremacy 11 місяців тому
We can’t even get some legislators on board with regular wind turbines, the GOP screamed for years how turbine are murdering Billions of birds a year. America is in an alternate reality.
@jabzilla21
@jabzilla21 11 місяців тому
Good. Wind energy is such a farce it's not even funny. Those giant ugly wind turbines don't work for crap, break easily, and are currently unrecyclable! Why not use better methods? Wind doesn't work.
@Swordphobic
@Swordphobic 11 місяців тому
@@jabzilla21 The bullshit you write sadly can't be used to produce methane.
@dannyfromyorkshire
@dannyfromyorkshire 11 місяців тому
​@@jabzilla21 What on earth are you on about? If they don't work, where did the UK get 26.8% of it's electricity from last year? Why is it the cheapest form of electricity generation? Why is the world building it like crazy? And which infinitely recyclable alternative are you about to suggest? Solar? Nuclear? Or are you a fossil fuel brain who suddenly cares about recycling?
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 10 місяців тому
Couldn’t USN Seabees also assist in the construction and use their own ships?
@Inigo_The_Son
@Inigo_The_Son 10 місяців тому
Excellent video! It is truly absurd that the Parker Ranch cannot even ship their beef from The Big Island to Oahu.
@GopiKrishna7
@GopiKrishna7 11 місяців тому
TIL: The US has 4% of world population but 21% of beef consumption! It does represent the purchasing power of an average American citizen.
@me0101001000
@me0101001000 11 місяців тому
I didn't know this either, but then again, I'm not too surprised
@deancostello001
@deancostello001 11 місяців тому
That’s incredibly sad
@abdiganiaden
@abdiganiaden 11 місяців тому
US also consumes same proportion of oil and other stuff. Just means the average American can afford way more than any other citizen.
@alessandrorossi1294
@alessandrorossi1294 11 місяців тому
Well every country outside India is going to eat more that their percapita of beef because Hindus don’t eat beef
@GQ2593
@GQ2593 11 місяців тому
It also represents the unhealthy food culture of America. This explains why half the country is obese.
@aegisofhonor
@aegisofhonor 11 місяців тому
The Jones Act is an example of how special interests have so much control in Washington. Sadly because of so many political pressures, it almost never even gets brought up in congress and any bill to repeal it entirely gets lost in commitee no matter what party is in charge as there are special interests on both sides of the isle that are hellbent on keeping the Jones Act around.
@Chengtan-rx9po
@Chengtan-rx9po 10 місяців тому
The Jones Act should be repealed by Congress to encourage ships built in America. All luxury ships fly a foreign flag but indirectly own by American investors.
@turnleft8645
@turnleft8645 11 місяців тому
Thanks so much, I have a Logistics exam on Tuesday next week and watching your well researched videos always adds value and and practical depth to my degree 🙏 Keep up the excellent quality!
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 11 місяців тому
May I suggest this as a counter point. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cWSIrKGug4B-0J8.html
@chadmighster
@chadmighster 10 місяців тому
As someone from Hawaii, thank you for shining a light on this issue. This law inflates our already expensive cost of goods and has contributed to so many people leaving our state. The Grassroot Institute in Hawaii did an in-depth study on the impacts of the Jones Act on Hawaii’s economy. And finally, it’s important to note that not only do certain corporate interests support the Jones Act, but also union interests.
@knockeledup
@knockeledup 11 місяців тому
I remember the Jones Act becoming a real issue after Hurricane Maria. The US wasn’t able to ship relief to its own territory so everything had to be flown to Puerto Rico.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 11 місяців тому
The issue was the internal distribution of fuel in PR and not the Jones Act. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iJ19paqckKyapWQ.html
@ryanelliott71698
@ryanelliott71698 11 місяців тому
Econclips made an excellent video on how government creates monopolies. Basically they over regulate and make it near impossible for new companies to enter the market. Here in canada we’re seeing that with housing. With insane fees and waiting times mixed with limiting what can even be built on a plot of land. It’s no wonder why housing and rent prices skyrocketed.
@teabagwastaken
@teabagwastaken 11 місяців тому
Exactly, can also see it for IBM pushing for massive regulation of AI - easy for them to since it will mean they have less competition
@eustache_dauger
@eustache_dauger 11 місяців тому
Cabotage is also an issue in Malaysia & the imbalanced development between East & West Malaysia. The problems hinge on the designation of Port Klang, located along the Straits of Malacca on the western side of the Malay peninsula, as the main container hub port in Malaysia, through which all international cargo traffic must pass. It weakened distribution channels for local players in Sabah and Sarawak, Malaysia’s eastern states on the island of Borneo. The privileged position of Port Klang has led to increased freight rates to these eastern regions, which has in turn led to overpriced consumer goods. This is further exacerbated by poor management and the federal government’s lack of prioritization of eastern Malaysia’s economic development.
@otzi1
@otzi1 11 місяців тому
There is a similar problem in Turkey. There was even a Turkish politician naming cabotage "sabotage" 😃
@eljangoolak
@eljangoolak 11 місяців тому
Thats mostly because of depth of water and capacity to take bigger ships
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 11 місяців тому
give sabah and sarawak to indonesia. problem solved.
@dreadhead5719
@dreadhead5719 11 місяців тому
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 make it independent
@kevinw4267
@kevinw4267 11 місяців тому
We should also consider how this endanger the American naval force. If we still want a great navy, we NEED a competitive ship building industry.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
People who complain about the Jones Act ignore that without it there would be no shipyards left in the US. San Diego is the home port for the US Pacific fleet and all their service is done there in the GD NASSCO shipyard. Remove the Jones Act, that shipyard closes and then the navy has no repair facilities on the entire west coast.
@kevinw4267
@kevinw4267 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 that means either the navy should buy out the ship yard or that shipyard deserve to be closed, don’t we live in a free market society? hypothetically speaking, removing the jones act could create more ship yards and more American manufacturing job we have been losing since 2000s. Better ship building and make American supply chain stronger.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@kevinw4267 The Navy isn't in the business of building ships, it's only in operating them. The Jones Act doesn't prevent new shipyards from opening, it actually keeps the ones that exist today from closing because it gives them a reason to exist. No Jones Act, no ships built in the US. It's really that simple. The US can not compete with Asian shipyards on an economic level so removing the act would mean there is no reason to produce ships in the US anymore.
@kevinw4267
@kevinw4267 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 how about Italian? They also build ally ships. Economy of scale is a thing, you know? So what, we just abandon millions of Americans, let them get drugged up and commit crimes?
@phormioofathens4774
@phormioofathens4774 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 perhaps the navy should become more involved in the business of building ships.
@kirandeepchakraborty7921
@kirandeepchakraborty7921 11 місяців тому
Such high quality videos tell us why we absolutely love this channel so much. ❤
@faegotte
@faegotte 8 місяців тому
Solution: Instead of requiring companies to use american built ships exclusively, require 15% of the fleet of domestic shipping companies to be american built ships. This reduces the dependency on foreign shipping and essentially super charges domestic shipping demand. If you want to use cheap foreign ships, you gotta prop up the domestic ship building market too. It is expensive, yes, but way less expensive than the current system and essentially subsidizes a very expensive domestic market.
@bartonfarnsworth7690
@bartonfarnsworth7690 11 місяців тому
This was an absolutely amazing video. Thank you so much for this! Passing this along to a good friend of mine who is a maritime lawyer for the DHS Customs Office.
@colinsutherland201
@colinsutherland201 11 місяців тому
The Jones act is also partially why electricity is so expensive in New England
@utuberme1
@utuberme1 11 місяців тому
How so, if you don't mind me asking?
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 11 місяців тому
@@utuberme1 it's likely referrin to natural gas prices. Is forced to buy more expensive LNG from abroad rather than from the Gulf Coast or something.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 No. There are natural gas pipelines extending from Texas to New England. There's no reason to use freighters to move it.
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022
@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 Heartland institute also wrote this in 2018 (not the most savory people imo, but this doesn't seem egregiously wrong): "Utilities used Russian gas instead of cheaper, domestically produced natural gas because state governments in the Northeast have blocked various efforts to expand natural gas pipelines in the region, and federal rules, primarily the Jones Act, make transporting domestic American commodities and energy on ships more difficult and expensive."
@jamesp3902
@jamesp3902 11 місяців тому
​@@nobodyspecial4702 "No. There are natural gas pipelines extending from Texas to New England. There's no reason to use freighters to move it." The existing natural gas pipelines can not meet New England winter demand. Environmental groups are actively block any expansion to the pipelines.
@ifthen1526
@ifthen1526 11 місяців тому
That street analogy is happening in real life here in San Diego... Would be a great video
@gabriellloyd3301
@gabriellloyd3301 11 місяців тому
So thrilled when I receive a notification post from you. Truly the best channel on UKposts
@taliwalt5332
@taliwalt5332 11 місяців тому
I’m always so impressed by the topics you cover and the quality of your vids.
@peterwhite9546
@peterwhite9546 11 місяців тому
I remember a few years ago NJ ran out of road salt, and they could not get more because of the barge it was on. They had to transfer it to a different barge, before they could use the salt.
@Kalatash
@Kalatash 11 місяців тому
It seems to me that the worst clause of the Jones Act is that the ship needs to be _built_ in America. If the point is the make sure that America has a reserve fleet in times of need, does it really matter if it was bought on the international market, so long as it is owned and operated by Americans?
@rednecktek2873
@rednecktek2873 11 місяців тому
If a ship is built foreign then purchased and operated by a US company it can very easily get a waiver to bypass the Built In clause. It's a boiler plate form.
@SFBayAreaLiving
@SFBayAreaLiving 10 місяців тому
Fantastic video! I knew nothing about this subject! One of my favorite channels!
@dh510
@dh510 11 місяців тому
Remove the need of the ships to be built in the US but keep the requirement of them being owned and staffed by Americans, and exclude oversea territories and Alaska from the law, so they can use any available service to ship goods to and from the mainland. Fixed it.
@wv9529
@wv9529 11 місяців тому
the problem is literally the opposite. Who in his right mind would go to work for 40-50k per year away from home enclosed in a vessel in the middle of the ocean 24/7. Get real. In the meantime imagine how many chinese goods were bought instead of US goods in the USA simply because of shipping costs.
@maYTeus
@maYTeus 11 місяців тому
Requiring only americans to work on these ships doesn't make it any better and "ownership" is mentioned in the video as sliding scale. If you wanna keep regulations on the shipping industry, which don't already exist for trucking and rail, then it requires a much deeper look.
@kingace6186
@kingace6186 11 місяців тому
Can't wait until the next loophole pops up. It's better to repeal the whole damn act. At least, Section 27, since that is the part that started all of this.
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 11 місяців тому
they still have a problem to staff them, we don't have enough trained seamen
@eewewe283
@eewewe283 6 місяців тому
@@kingace6186 repeal the act and the us shipping industry plummets even more with thousands losing jobs and shipyards
@daniellez1864
@daniellez1864 11 місяців тому
Hello, just had a question regarding the average grams per ton-km of freight at 9:24. The URL in the source documents leads to a 404 not found. I'm curious about it since everywhere I try to look, I see a 1 to 4 energy CO2 emission difference between truck and ship freight transport, whereas your graph seems to indicate a much larger difference. Could you please indicate the source document or explain the exact numbers you've found? Thank you very much!
@notflanders4967
@notflanders4967 11 місяців тому
can't say I'd cross the ocean on a vessel without life boats!!
@ivanxyz1
@ivanxyz1 11 місяців тому
Great presentation. Keep up the good work.
@graham1034
@graham1034 11 місяців тому
There have been quite a few Jones Act videos on UKposts over the past few years and I almost didn't watch this one since I thought I already knew all about it, but this video provides a lot of additional context that others missed. The "closed left highway lane" analogy is a waste of time in the video but the rest if excellent. Thumbs up Polymatter.
@THEFEZFEZ
@THEFEZFEZ 11 місяців тому
Please let every member of congress see this. What a huge wasteful loss for near nothing, it's infuriating how self inflicted this wound is.
@BayuAH
@BayuAH 11 місяців тому
The problem is whoever congress member that propose this gonna be called unpatriotic by the opposing party.
@perfectallycromulent
@perfectallycromulent 11 місяців тому
republicans control the states of the Mississippi River system, which would benefit the most, and have for a long time. if they didn't want to keep it like this, they'd kill it. so much for deregulation.
@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745
@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 11 місяців тому
@@BayuAH Just need two from opposing sides to do it together.
@elegantbiscuit2771
@elegantbiscuit2771 11 місяців тому
It's a loss for sure, for the american consumer. But the money is not lost; it is going somewhere. The Jones act is a huge boon for the entire industries of air, rail, and road cargo transportation, who are the beneficiaries of this policy because they pick up the business that would otherwise have gone to domestic water transport and charge more because it is more expensive and because there is one less option. And those industries lobby members of congress and have them on the payroll to make sure the Jones act remains in place. It's not the members of congress who you must look to change this, because they and the practice of lobbying are the most critical part of the problem to begin with.
@r-8009
@r-8009 11 місяців тому
I don't imagine it would do much good for Congress to see this video, as if we could then expect them to act. They won't act so long as the public does not pressure them to act, and the public can only pressure them to act based on their own understanding of the issue. For that reason, I think what would be far more important than Congress seeing this video would be everyone else seeing it.
@philiplawler4236
@philiplawler4236 11 місяців тому
I’m so glad to see people are starting to talk about the Jones act.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
And yet they fail to understand it. It's not about giving preference to US businessmen or protecting jobs. Today, it is in place purely to ensure that there are ships flagged in the US, owned by US corporations and crewed by US citizens so that the government can call them to serve in times of need. Without the Jones Act, there would be no US merchant marine vessels that do anything other than catch crabs in Alaska.
@charlesgrove8971
@charlesgrove8971 11 місяців тому
15:19 the voiceover says "The coastguard will seize your ship if it has a foreign built hull, but not if it has a foreign built engine" At the same time, the graphic on-screen lists hull as "Can be foreign built", and the engine as "cannot be foreign built". One of these has to be wrong...
@alexdhall
@alexdhall 11 місяців тому
I was wondering the same thing!
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 11 місяців тому
as long as your stell superstructure is less the 1.5% foreign
@Twisted_Logic
@Twisted_Logic 11 місяців тому
Glad to see a larger channel talking about the Jones Act
@me0101001000
@me0101001000 11 місяців тому
I can understand the criteria, but I don't see why the ship/crew/documentation can't be green lit after a thorough inspection by the Coast Guard. That will create jobs in the Coast Guard, and those costs will be paid for multiple times over by a more dovish American shipping industry. Unless there is a factor I am missing, in which case I'll happily listen.
@IndependenceCityMotoring
@IndependenceCityMotoring 11 місяців тому
The factor you're missing is labor union influence/special interests/corruption.
@imsohandsome
@imsohandsome 11 місяців тому
@@IndependenceCityMotoring better than some pockets of rich people shooting their own feet as well as everybody else
@IndependenceCityMotoring
@IndependenceCityMotoring 11 місяців тому
@@imsohandsome #whataboutism ...two wrongs dont make a right.
@seanpruitt6801
@seanpruitt6801 11 місяців тому
Having merchant ships flagged and operated by US carriers helps TREMENDOUSLY in a time of war, humanitarian crises and Or evacuation. Our merchant fleet is small compared to our navy and size of our country. This law helps keep at least some shipyards in business and a reserve fleet of vessels that help sealift etc in time of war. The law needs updating but it’s core values I agree with. Hope this helps a little.
@ieaatclams
@ieaatclams 11 місяців тому
@@seanpruitt6801 ironically, protectionism lowers production as there's no reason to innovate. If we want more ships, make them compete, don't coddle them.
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 11 місяців тому
US airlines can buy from Airbus, Canada, etc but only US airlines that must be controlled by US citizens are allowed to offer beginning and ending internal US domestic flights - Cabotage. Foreign airlines can't set up domestic routes and are limited to inbound and outbound international flight. Lufthansa can't offer a flight starting with picking up pax in NY and those pax ending their trip in Dallas for example. Wonder what bottom-dollar Ryan Air could offer US bargain hunter domestic customers and top service-award winning foreign airlines could offer compared to the US utility level service airlines. It is common worldwide.
@andrewlechner6343
@andrewlechner6343 11 місяців тому
Which would be a much, much better way of regulating the shipping industry than the current Jones Act.
@user-cc7vx7sw4z
@user-cc7vx7sw4z 11 місяців тому
The only thing that is somewhat uncommon about the US’ regulation of passenger flights is that a foreign airline can’t fly a passenger between two US airports connecting in a foreign country. So, you can’t book and JAL or ANA flight from Guam to the mainland via Tokyo. To be fair, there aren’t many other examples where the law is relevant. Outside of the European common aviation market, almost no countries allow domestic flights to be flown by foreign carriers.
@doujinflip
@doujinflip 11 місяців тому
@@andrewlechner6343 Right, at least our airlines could still buy and fly an EU-built Airbus.
@noob.168
@noob.168 11 місяців тому
​@@doujinflip airbus has factories in US
@zacharywong483
@zacharywong483 11 місяців тому
Great video, PolyMatter team!
@thegreatgrumpus4841
@thegreatgrumpus4841 11 місяців тому
Awesome! super cool and interesting video. hopefully we can fix this for the future
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson 11 місяців тому
Jones Act is protectionism first and foremost and like lots of laws, especially those that protect certain industries, they are difficult to undo because of political ramifications.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
Complaints about it are almost entirely done by people lacking the intelligence to understand what they are complaining about. The Jones Act exists today for one reason, to ensure that there are US flagged and owned ships because the US Navy does not have sufficient transport capabilities to support a large scale military action. They call up the merchant marine to provide the necessary shipping in war time.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson 11 місяців тому
​@@nobodyspecial4702 Support for it is often almost entirely people lacking intelligence on the economic impact it has and that there are other options that could address these concerns...such as those discussed in the video.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson Considering how much of what he claims in the video is unsupported opinion, like claiming that the Jones Act is why ships are NOT being built in the US why would anyone bother watching the whole thing. Ships wouldn't be built in the US at all if there as no Jones Act because there would be no reason not to purchase a Korean made ship that costs a fraction of the price. There's no "competitive" market in US shipyards because there is no way to compete against Asian shipyards and only one significant commercial shipyard left. Eliminating the Jones Act won't suddenly change world economics and make US ships cheaper to produce, it would only ensure that no more commercial ships at all would be built in the US. He might make some valid points towards the end but the lack of validity from the onset doesn't make it worth wasting 20 minutes of my life. There are far more intelligent and accurate ones regarding the Jones Act than this.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 By denying American businesses access to the best shipping options, the Jones Act boosts transportation costs. Shipping oil from Texas to the Northeast costs three times more than shipping oil from Africa to the Northeast, an extra cost paid by U.S. consumers. For every $1 gained by U.S. sailors, shipbuilders and carriers as a result of the act, U.S. consumers lose more than $1, resulting in a net loss. The Jones Act is also bad for the environment. More expensive U.S. vessels mean the U.S. shipping industry has fallen behind in terms of innovation: Companies hang onto older, less fuel-efficient and more dangerous ships rather than updating or retiring them. Older fleets mean more pollution and energy use. High waterborne transportation costs also divert freight from ships to trucks and trains, which are more polluting too.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 Two studies have confirmed what observers of the Jones Act have known for years - that the century-old federal maritime law has long been harmful to Puerto Rico’s economy. One of the studies, conducted by John Dunham & Associates, found that the Jones Act has prevented the creation of 13,250 jobs and $1.5 billion in annual economic growth, representing $1.1 billion in higher prices, $337.3 million in wages, and $106.4 million in lost tax revenues. The other, conducted by Advantage Business Consulting, looked specifically at U.S. territory’s food industry and estimated that the Jones Act equaled a 7.2 percent tax on food and beverages alone, or about $367 million extra for island residents. “Individually, families pay $300 more or $107 per person for food and beverages,” said ABC economist Vicente Feliciano.
@whatever9060
@whatever9060 11 місяців тому
If you clicked on this video knowing it was going to be about the Jones Act you deserve a veterans discount
@jamesmanning4786
@jamesmanning4786 10 місяців тому
good information! thanks
@mouse9915
@mouse9915 11 місяців тому
This has to be the best video you have made. I need more people to see this 👍
@destrygriffith3972
@destrygriffith3972 11 місяців тому
Actually, the US is now a net oil exporter, producing *more* than we use. Peter Zeihan, who I believe fans of this channel would probably love, mentions the fact a lot (and he's the person from whom I first heard about the Jones Act and it's infuriating limits on our maritime commerce).
@steffengustavsen9678
@steffengustavsen9678 11 місяців тому
this is not true. If you use google first 15 results will be wrong but the fact is that US produce 12 million barrels a day and consume 20.
@TheWizardGamez
@TheWizardGamez 7 місяців тому
@@steffengustavsen9678add in that a decent amount of imports come from canada(and due to our monopoly position we get very fair rates) then you can lower that number even more. Idk. Small contention
@the11382
@the11382 4 місяці тому
Peter Zeihan is an American chauvinist though. His understanding of the rest of the world is rather limited.
@maYTeus
@maYTeus 11 місяців тому
I'm glad even Polymatter is aware of the urbanist movement. Can we get an induced demand stroad to my 15 minute city debate?
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 11 місяців тому
I realised that it takes roughly a scoop of ice cream to get from the trainstation to home (purchased close to the trainstation)
@ivomedic5745
@ivomedic5745 16 днів тому
Excellent presentations.
@rofafofo7057
@rofafofo7057 11 місяців тому
really good content. thamk you!
@dancoroian1
@dancoroian1 11 місяців тому
"Take, for instance, oil" US foreign policy position succinctly summarized 🤣
@heidirabenau511
@heidirabenau511 11 місяців тому
Looks like you need Freedom!
@dancoroian1
@dancoroian1 11 місяців тому
@@heidirabenau511 those Are m aoil fields are crying out for democracy, light beer
@SacredDaturana
@SacredDaturana 11 місяців тому
The sentence in the video you're quoting immediately proceeds to suggest the exact opposite. Like c'mon.
@dancoroian1
@dancoroian1 11 місяців тому
@@SacredDaturana ...it was literally a joke? Like c'mon.🤦🏻‍♂️
@SacredDaturana
@SacredDaturana 11 місяців тому
@@dancoroian1 Well yeah, I'm saying it was a bad one.
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 11 місяців тому
@~18:15, better lifeboats may have helped, but the captain of the El Faro also piloted his ship recklessly close to the eye hurricane Joaquin. It's an interesting and tragic story.
@KellAnderson
@KellAnderson 11 місяців тому
Brick Immortar had a great video on it. Highly recommend it.
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 11 місяців тому
@@KellAnderson bingo, I couldn't remember the channel name thanks
@CGR89
@CGR89 11 місяців тому
Weird, you’re telling me that when you remove competition, your only option becomes ridiculously expensive and unusable? Weird, it’s almost like when supply goes down and demand goes up, prices rise.
@christopherdamiano4233
@christopherdamiano4233 11 місяців тому
Great video!
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 11 місяців тому
Does the Jones Act apply to a private person or company? Can the cattle rancher buy and operate his own ship only used for his company to avoid the Jones Act?
@phillipromero7591
@phillipromero7591 11 місяців тому
The rancher will still need to register the ship to a country. Therefore the law still applies.
@haxney
@haxney 11 місяців тому
The problem is that ocean shipping needs giant ships to be economical. A sailboat with a few cows on it would be dramatically more expensive per cow than even going through the roundabout Hawaii to Vancouver maneuver from the video. From a quick googling, a panamax ship costs over $100 million and costs $9 million per year to operate.
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 11 місяців тому
@@haxney You wouldn't need a Panamax ship for this but it would still be ineffizient
@Lirvan
@Lirvan 11 місяців тому
Polymatter discovered Zeihan I see. 😂
@johnkeefer8760
@johnkeefer8760 11 місяців тому
Some of his previous China videos made me suspect so haha
@rharald7539
@rharald7539 11 місяців тому
Great one👍👍👍👍👍
@DaleSteadman
@DaleSteadman 11 місяців тому
This was really eye opening,
@RayvenTheNight
@RayvenTheNight 11 місяців тому
This is absolutely insane
@browk2512
@browk2512 11 місяців тому
2:34 it's important to note that in this case, there was a ban on american oil exports until Obama lifted it in 2015.
@ryansmith5779
@ryansmith5779 9 місяців тому
A cool follow on to this would be to study how Alaska's native landholder corporations work. Especially North Slope Burrow and NANA
@travispluid3603
@travispluid3603 11 місяців тому
By the way, I believe you swapped around Hull and Engine at 15:16, since Hulls are not allowed to be foreign, and Engines are, but they're in the opposite categories.
@colinsutherland201
@colinsutherland201 11 місяців тому
Most ships are built in Europe or South Korea where labor costs aren't much lower
@drewkossen9324
@drewkossen9324 11 місяців тому
china builds roughly 45% of the world's tonnage, an japan and south korea build another 35-40%.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
There is an economy of scale that offsets the costs. Korean shipyards are absolutely massive compared to the rest of the world. The commercial shipyard in the US can handle 5 hulls at a time in various states of completion with only 1 drydock and 1 floating drydock for ship maintenance with a water frontage of a couple hundred meters. Ulsan in Korea has 10 large size drydocks spread over 4 kilometers of frontage.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 10 місяців тому
By EU companies perhaps, but in South Korea.
@pablotorres6997
@pablotorres6997 6 місяців тому
Excellent! Thank you!
@victording6698
@victording6698 11 місяців тому
@~20:20 Even though two of the three biggest ship builders are close allies, they both locate in an area where future conflicts likely occur. Their ship building abilities will certainly be heavily impacted should conflicts occur in the west pacific.
@unominous4759
@unominous4759 11 місяців тому
Then it would make sense to stock up now, yes? Especially since we are obligated to come to their defense if the third country gets a little frisky.
@dickensider6049
@dickensider6049 11 місяців тому
Apathy and complacency will be the downfall of America.
@alexanderwu
@alexanderwu 11 місяців тому
I didn't think a video about maritime shipping would make me so angry
@danerodriquez1358
@danerodriquez1358 11 місяців тому
One of the best UKposts channels imo
@porcus123
@porcus123 10 місяців тому
How can they just sit there and think "Yup, nothing wrong"
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 11 місяців тому
Cruise ships are registered offshore and so are big yachts registered offshore. US taxes, employment regulations, and maritime regulations are not wanted.
@joncalon7508
@joncalon7508 11 місяців тому
There's ONE cruise ship that's compliant with the Jones Act - Spirit of America IIRC, that's able to do a Hawaii cruise. It was built to serve a need, because there are no foreign countries anywhere close that can be sailed to by a foreign flagged and crewed vessel. All those Alaska cruises that start in Washington or California and visit Alaska MUST have a stop in Canada included, otherwise, it would be subject to Jones Act restrictions.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 11 місяців тому
Cruise ships fall under the Passenger Vessel Service Act of 1886 and not the Jones Act.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@wgowshipping Which passes on the fee to the passengers, so it's not really impacting the cruise ship industry.
@azmc4940
@azmc4940 11 місяців тому
Now I'm thinking about moving to the USA to start a thriving donkey caravan business.
@winnie-the-poohahaha4428
@winnie-the-poohahaha4428 11 місяців тому
Same thing in Australia. Just about all ships working our waters got faced off shore due to labour costs
@muneebahmadfarjad5782
@muneebahmadfarjad5782 11 місяців тому
Where did you get the cinematic videos of USA please tell Sorry you get it from Gettyimages(thanks for description) but what did you search specifically please do tell
@Believeorreason
@Believeorreason 11 місяців тому
a simply fix would be to remove the American built clause, and possibly the American flagged clase, but enforce a clause that makes the ships have to be built to "American Safety Standerts" and the company that owns the ship must prove its owned 75 percent by American shareholders and pay a yearly operational tax. This would still protect American markets but would make it much more simpler for a company to start up and buy a ship to run interstate trade and lower the cost to entry and cost to run
@BitGladius
@BitGladius 11 місяців тому
Part of the Jones act is ensuring there's a merchant marine during war. American built is the only way to guarantee we can replace sunk ships. American flagged is the only way the government can seize boats for the war.
@milojones9241
@milojones9241 11 місяців тому
There are international safety standards to which all ships are built by. Safety isn’t an issue. The issue with repeating the Jones act which is not mentioned in the video is the complete loss of American seamen. The Jones Act guarantees a well trained industry of American seamen. Without the Jones act all Americans are replaced with cheap foreign workers. Massive national defense and moral issue.
@Believeorreason
@Believeorreason 11 місяців тому
@@milojones9241 winch i said to remove the flagg and the built clauses but keeping the American crew clause.
@thee-sportspantheon330
@thee-sportspantheon330 11 місяців тому
Competition breeds innovation. Time to innovate.
@jabzilla21
@jabzilla21 11 місяців тому
@@thee-sportspantheon330 hard to innovate when you're being replaced by extremely cheap labor which is typically slave labor.
@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774
@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774 11 місяців тому
At 15:28 the video audio says the Hull cannot be foreign built but the engine can but the video shows the opposite on the slide
@nacoran
@nacoran 11 місяців тому
It seems like there are two separate issues... one is that we have an inefficiency in transportation, but I know we once also made a lot of ships. We have expensive labor, it's true, but there are plenty of countries that have strong ship construction industries that also have high labor costs- Finland, Norway, the Netherlands, France, Germany, South Korea, and Japan for instance. I can understand, geopolitically, why we might not want some countries operating large shipping concerns in the U.S., but if we allowed allies to build and operate them that would at least fix the transportation portion of the problem. We might give some tax breaks to try to get our shipyards back on their feet, so they could scale up. Just fixing the shipping portion of it would do a lot of good, and probably help a lot of regions get back on their feet, but that still leaves us without big shipyards. Maybe the solution is to get the government to build some shipyards and get in the ship building business. If the industry gets back to the scale where it can stand on its feet would could slowly privitize it. Who doesn't love a good government give away? If nothing else, politically, you'd think we'd at least be able to get exemptions for non-contiguous regions.
@zaco-km3su
@zaco-km3su 11 місяців тому
Some options might be to add exemptions for Guam, Hawai'i, Alaska and Puerto Rico or the overseas territories in general. Exemptions for natural disasters could be added. You could add that 50% of the ships involved in internal trade should be American built. You can also allow 50% of the crews to be American citizens or permanent US residents. It's also probably enough if the company is a US company, no need to restrict ownership. You could restrict it to 50% ownership being American if you want to.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
Ignores all the actual reasons the Jones Act has never been repealed. The only reason it exists today is to ensure that there are ships owned, flagged and operated by the US so that the government can call them up if needed. Without the Jones Act, there would literally be no US flagged ships that do anything besides catch crabs in Alaska.
@blyatman3725
@blyatman3725 11 місяців тому
Every law needs to get reviewed starting from the jones act
@blyatman3725
@blyatman3725 11 місяців тому
@@saiv46 like which ones?
@45lxudmouth27
@45lxudmouth27 11 місяців тому
Nah man u need to protect American shipyards once they are gone they are hard to restaff and build infustructure.
@chinchillaruby4170
@chinchillaruby4170 11 місяців тому
Looks like Sal Mercogliano is gonna have to make another video about this.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 11 місяців тому
Better Call Sal! 😂
@tommussington8330
@tommussington8330 11 місяців тому
@whatisgoingonwithshipping Sal straighten this guy out!
@mityace
@mityace 11 місяців тому
Railroads also have been hurt vis-a-vis over the road trucks or barges for domestic travel. Government policies among other factors have arbitrarily made many trips more expensive by train. Now, the flexibility of trucks versus trains means the railroads will likely never have the market share they did 100 years ago, they could have much more than they do as well.
@no1reallycaresabout2
@no1reallycaresabout2 10 місяців тому
7:58 All these shots are gorgeous
@sic5764
@sic5764 11 місяців тому
If you are interested in the opinion of an actual maritime expert here on youtube I recommend the channel "What is Going on With Shipping?" he has several videos on the jones act and has a more nuanced take on it. I like PolyMatter for its generalistic approach to different topics but here the lack of specialized knowledge on a topic shines through a little bit to much for me.
@phuturephunk
@phuturephunk 11 місяців тому
This, all day. Sal is great with this stuff and his show is a watch as it drops for me. He's a pro.
@maYTeus
@maYTeus 11 місяців тому
started following him on twitter - the only criticism is that his content is a bit too thicc 😂 It's fine for a mega enthusiast/someone intimately working with shipping but otherwise I couldn't recommend or share such content
@haakenhaakensen1569
@haakenhaakensen1569 11 місяців тому
He is often great but myopic on the Jones Act.
@a.i.johnb.9583
@a.i.johnb.9583 11 місяців тому
@@haakenhaakensen1569 Sounds like a realistic take if he's myopic on something. People should myopic on most things relating to government.
@Executioner9000
@Executioner9000 11 місяців тому
The Jones act I think made sense when there were more US shipyards as a way to try and ensure the yards stayed open. But as economic forces have closed the vast majority of US commercial shipyards, it has outlived it's usefulness.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
Read what you wrote and seriously think about it. The only reason ANY shipyards remain in the US today is entirely due to the Jones Act.
@idtyu
@idtyu 8 місяців тому
Sad part is, democracy is advertised as giving people the ability to change the politics, but stuff like this is almost impossible to change
@lolk7726
@lolk7726 6 місяців тому
i love this channel
@Kongajinken
@Kongajinken 11 місяців тому
Finally the Jones act is being talked about more. Here's hoping it and other bad laws are repealed.
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 11 місяців тому
Hopefully, we'll see this featured on Last Week Tonight.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 10 місяців тому
I think they did in an episode on Puerto Rico
@vonries
@vonries 11 місяців тому
I never knew that. Didn't even think it would be possible to create such a messy system.
@mehdouch80
@mehdouch80 11 місяців тому
There is one exception to the Jones Act, a soviet built ship used by the US government and operated by civilians. That's the USNS Lance Cpl. Roy M. Wheat.
@johnstuart3851
@johnstuart3851 11 місяців тому
There have also been temporary exemptions to the Jones Act to accommodate unique situations of State government. For example, The State of Alaska needed to increase mainline ferry capacity to meet demand for sailings between Seattle and SE Alaska. With the time required to design and build a new ship of at least 4 or more years, the State of Alaska obtained a temporary exemption to the Jones Act so that a suitable surplus ship could be purchased from a European ferry operator. This ship was the Stena Britannica, purchased from Stena Lines. The ship was renamed as MV Wickersham, and was a top quality, fast and luxuriously fitted car ferry with an ocean rated hull design including stabilizers. When the new US built MV Columbia was ready for operation, the Wickersham was sold to a car ferry operation in the Mediterranean.
@shriramvenu
@shriramvenu 11 місяців тому
how much tropical forest was cut down to make that huge pasture??
@n_0477
@n_0477 11 місяців тому
None as far as I can tell, as it seems it is located in the area of steppe like grasslands inbetween the wet northeast and arid south west of the big island.
@MarkNealon
@MarkNealon 11 місяців тому
I can't imagine a world where the savings of opening up US domestic shipping wouldn't quickly become enough to buy 100 ships of questionable quality
@utkarsharyan
@utkarsharyan 11 місяців тому
There are international safety standards to which all ships are built by. Safety isn’t an issue. Plus they can just replace the jones act with an clause mandating that any ship in domestic shipping should require an "American Safety Certificate" issued by coast guard.
@fallout560
@fallout560 11 місяців тому
Americans don't magically build better ships.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@fallout560 No, but they do build ones that are flagged in the US with US crews and can be called upon by the US government in times of need. The same can not be said of a ship build by Koreans, owned by the Japanese and crewed by Philipinos. That's the real reason the Jones Act still exists. It's to ensure that the US can call upon ships if needed. Eliminating the Jones Act would eliminate the US merchant marine since it's not exactly busting any records with it's international shipping of absolutely nothing.
@fallout560
@fallout560 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 the issue is the Jones act makes them uncompetitive to build. If the US wants a shipbuilding industry, you can't do the Jones act. You have to subsidize and build an international competitive national champion
@jimmywatermelon357
@jimmywatermelon357 11 місяців тому
Great video
@davidvik1451
@davidvik1451 10 місяців тому
The "Jones Act" has in part the strategic purpose of maintaining a viable shipbuilding industry. As we are seeing now the congress has funded three new destroyers a year, but the navy has cut that back to two because of the lack of shipyard capacity. similar issues surround the replacement of the aging MSC fleet of active and reserve vessels. The"Jones Act" is akin to the the funding provided for companies to make computer chips in the US instead of depending on cheaper Chinese chips. One only has to look at Russia to see how their dependence on western semiconductors has crippled their production of percision guided weapons. A robust domestic maritime industry is an essential part of our national defense. Salt from Chile or beans from Brazil is strictly a mater of which is cheaper removing the "Jones Act" will not make Iowa beans any cheaper since they will move by rail or river barge for most domestic uses.
@turnleft8645
@turnleft8645 11 місяців тому
If cattle on land produces ground-beef, shouldn't ocean shipped cattle be called *water-beef?* 😂
@1224chrisng
@1224chrisng 11 місяців тому
well, after shipping to Vancouver, surely they'd become Air Beef
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 11 місяців тому
@@1224chrisng Air beef. That's what I used to call flatus.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 11 місяців тому
To a certain extent the Jones Act does make sense. It was probably meant to prevent the US domestic water-borne traffic being held hostage to external fleets (just think how Russia tried to strangle the EU by cutting oil and gas sales). However, the unintentional result has been to cripple water-borne internal trade. I would say that the act may need to be modified, but not necessarily repealed.
@kingofhearts3185
@kingofhearts3185 11 місяців тому
Keep the american owned part for security, just require ships be built to US standards for safety, and throw some taxes in for good measure to encourage but not require the other stuff. Problem mostly solved.
@johnstuart3851
@johnstuart3851 11 місяців тому
@@kingofhearts3185 The need for highly skilled, educated and experienced US merchant seafarers is as important as US shipyards, if not more so.
@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy
@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy 11 місяців тому
Not at least making an exception for Alasaka, Hawaii and Puerto Rico is simply insane.
@LucenProject
@LucenProject 11 місяців тому
15:12 - 15:16 Am I misunderstanding or is the graphic showing different information than the voice over regarding Hull and Engine specifically?
@lavidawithjoey
@lavidawithjoey 11 місяців тому
I appreciate your focus on a key piece of legislation being so harmful to the growth of our economy. The very basis of what makes the United States of America great
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
It's ignorance, not intelligence behind this video. The reason the Jones Act still exists is because a US flagged ship, crewed by a US merchant marine crew can be called up as an auxiliary supply ship for the US in a time of war. The US navy does not have enough transports to support a large scale military operation anywhere in the world which is why the US needs to have US owned and flagged merchant ships and the only reason we have any is because of the Act.
@ASLUHLUHCE
@ASLUHLUHCE 11 місяців тому
Idk if a fruitless attempt to bring awareness to flawed legislation against the interests of lobbyists meets the "great" requirement...
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@ASLUHLUHCE Do tell, what lobbyist interest acts to support this? The pitiful shipyard workers union with barely a couple hundred members? Or would it be the leading US commercial shipyard in San Diego finally starting out their first new commercial construction in 6 years? Neither of which come across as powerful lobbying groups.
@ASLUHLUHCE
@ASLUHLUHCE 11 місяців тому
@@nobodyspecial4702 Watch the video
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 місяців тому
@@steffengustavsen9678 Right, because the world's political leaders are so stable and well meaning. You are so naive it's laughable.
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